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I think Bill Simmons might refer to these as the "Stomach Punch Games".  The rules for this list compilation are simple--keep it to 5 games or less, keep it to games that were part of a playoff or tournament (i.e., Olympic ice hockey, NCAA Final Four, World Cup, etc.), and keep it to teams and years that you actually rooted for, and actually had an emotional interest in.  (For example, one of the most disappointing losses that immediately popped into my head was the 1978 Red Sox "Bucky F'in Dent" game.  However, I was too young in 1978, and didn't follow the Sox or even baseball then, so I really didn't root for that team, nor did I have an emotional interest in the outcome of the game.)

Being from Boston, I have a selection of disappointing losses from the sports teams that I've rooted for and been loyal to from which to choose; as discussed here, last night's Celtics loss was particularly devestating to me, to the point that it comes in at number five on my list.  My list is:

1.  Patriots lose to NY Giants, Super Bowl XLII, 2007
2.  Red Sox lose to NY Mets, Game 6, 1986 World Series
3.  Red Sox lose to NY Mets, Game 7, 1986 World Series
4.  Red Sox lose to NY Yankees, Game 7, 2003 ALCS
5.  Celtic lose to Lakers, Game 7, 2010 NBA Finals

For the record, the only reason Game 6 of the '86 World Series is my personal number two is because (1) the Sox won in 2004 and (2) the Super Bowl XLII loss was so devestating.  If not for those two factors, Game 6 would've been my number one by default.

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Great topic DFG34 here's mine:

1.)NY Mets losing to the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 of The NLCS in 2006.

2.)Dallas Stars lose to The Edmonton Oilers in the first round of the NHL playoffs in 1997 in Game 7 when Todd Marchant scored in overtime on Andy Moog.

3.)NY Jets losing to the Denver Broncos 23-10 in the 1998/99 season AFC Championship game.

4.)NY Jets losing to The NE Patriots in the first game of the 1999 season and Vinny Testaverde goes down with a ruptured Achilles Tendon. They were favored to win the Super Bowl that season.

5.)The LA Lakers lose to The San Antonio Spurs in game 6 of the 2003 Western Conference Semifinals.


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1: Leafs losing to the Kings in Game 7 in 1993 Conference finals
2: Jays losing to KC in game 7 of 1985 AL Pennant, after having been up 3 games to 1
3: KU Jayhawks losing to Belmont in Round 1 in 2005
4: Leafs losing to Carolina in Game 6 Conference finals 2002
5: KU Losing to Syracuse in the 2003 NCAA Championship Game

Then off course what would have topped my list was the KU - Memphis title game in 2008 where KU was 2 minutes away from topping this list down by 7.....however the comeback, capped by the big FU to Calipari by Mario Chalmers 3pt shot with 2 seconds left changed everything.

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1.  Pats lose perfect season and Super Bowl to NY Giants

2.  Game 6 Red Sox lose to NY Mets  1986 Series - Buckner error

3.  Red Sox lose 1978 tie-breaker game to Yankees - fucking Bucky Dent

4. Celtics lose Game 7 to Lakers 2010 NBA Finals

5. Marvin Hagler loses split decision (robbed of middleweight title) to Sugar Ray Leonard  1987  *I know this is not a team loss but Hagler was adored by the Boston faithful and I personally wept at the injustice of this decision*


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Birmingham City:

1. Losing to Liverpool in the 2001 League Cup Final.  Since our formation in 1875, we have only won one major trophy, and against Liverpool we were massive underdogs in the final; yet we equalized in the 90th minute, and in extra time Andrew Johnson was felled in the penalty area.  Penalty and a red card for the Liverpool defender.  But no, the ref bottled the decision and gave a goal kick.  An outrageous decision, and one that cost us the game, as we lost on penalties.  More of a gut-kick in retrospect, as at the time we were largely amazed we had reached a final.

2. Losing to Portsmouth in this year's FA Cup.  Two shitty refereeing decisions cost us.  We would have been in the semis, 90 minutes away from a third FA Cup Final AND a guaranteed European place.  I still have deep suspicions about that game; I was so confident we would lose I made nearly $1000 on it as a result.  (The FA wanted Portsmouth, nearly bankrupt, to go as far as possible in the Cup and earn more money.)

3. Losing to Watford in the 1999 promotion play-off semi-final.  Not been in the top division since 1986, we knew that a poor Bolton were waiting in the play-off final, we had a 1-0 deficit from the first game to overcome, and scored within the first five minutes; only we had to contend with (a) a goalkeeper having the game of his life and (b) a cheating Watford team who practically gangraped the referee into sending David Holdsworth off for an innocuous header.  Lost on penalties.  Fucking Graham Taylor.

4. Losing to Wrexham in the FA Cup 5th round in 1997.  Unusually we knew the quarter-final opponents because the game had been rescheduled - and the opponents were third division Chesterfield.  There was only 1 team left in the competition (Chelsea) that were any good.  We should have been in the Final, but a stupid sending off when we had the game under control meant a comfortable 1-0 lead turned into a 3-1 deficit.

5. Losing to our local rivals Aston Villa in the League Cup 2nd round in 1993.  Not because we lost, that was expected, we were bottom of the second division at the time, they were near the top of the first, but HOW it happened, two 1-0 defeats in the two legs, the first after a clear penalty was not awarded to us, the second in one of the most bent refereeing displays I have had the misfortune to see; highlights being Paul Tait sent off for retaliation after Kevin Richardson had put Scott Hiley on a stretcher (and had not been punished) and the most offside goal in history against us.

There have been a good few for England, but they have never had the same effect.

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5 - Danny Ozark fails to replace Greg Luzinski in left field (he subbed Jerry Martin for
Luzinski all year long) and Manny Mota lines a catchable (for martin) ball to Luzinski
(he blows it) and there goes game three of the 1977 NLCS.

4- Eagles travel to Chicago in 1988 and lose what becomes known as "The Fog Bowl"

3- Trailing 24-14 with five minutes left McNabb goes to the "slow down" offense
They eventually score but leave themselves only seconds to try and catch the
Patriots in the Super Bowl. A McNabb INT ends the season.

2- Tampa Bay Bucs come into Vet Stadium and roll the Eagles in the 2002 NFC Championship game. Philly had handled basically the same team many times before (easily) Tampa Bay having an 0-30 record in cold temperatures, etc. Compounded by the Raiders laying down for the Bucs in that Super Bowl. If they had won the NFC Championship like they should have they would have won the Super Bowl.

1- The Raiders kicking the Eagle's asses all over New orleans in the 1980 Super Bowl. I was actually a Raiders fan growing up so this one didn't scar me at all but plenty here still would have liked to have seen Dick Vermeil win a championship here.



 

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5. Charles Smith

4. John Starks

3. Flipper Anderson

2. Trey Junkin

1.  2004

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I'll take random words and numbers for $100, Alex.

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retroken wrote: 5. Marvin Hagler loses split decision (robbed of middleweight title) to Sugar Ray Leonard  1987  *I know this is not a team loss but Hagler was adored by the Boston faithful and I personally wept at the injustice of this decision*




Brutally called, I agree. Hearns losing to Leonard when he had the fight won in their first matchup was heartbreaking as well, almost as bad as leonard getting a gift draw against Hearns in the rematch. :?

Only one I can think of personally is the 1992 Stanley Cup Finals, game 1. The Hawks had the game in their pocket with a good lead in Pittsburgh, and then gave up two late goals to lose it (winner was scored with about 12 seconds left as I remember). It was only game 1 but as a hawk fan I KNEW they were done. That loss, in that fashion took all their spirit away. The next three losses were a foregone conclusion.

The most heartbreaking defeat for the hawks all-time had to be the game 7 loss to Montreal in Chicago in 1971. That didn't affect me personally (too young), but older Hawks fans to this day still bristle when it comes up and few will talk about how bad that loss hurt them. that may change now that the Hawks finally won a Cup, but it's a deep wound amongst older Hawks fans.

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In random order:

Marquette University losing to Miami of Ohio in the 1978 NCAAs.

Philadelphia 76ers not repeating in 1984.

Thomas Hearns losing to Ray Leonard in their first fight.

Oilers losing to Bills in the AFC playoffs, and setting some sort or record for biggest lead blown in the process.

UNLV losing to Duke, whenever that was.

Most of the recent Chargers playoff performances.


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Hey Tbolt how about those 1981 Chargers coming off a (classic) 41-38 win over Miami in the playoffs and then going to Cincy and being as flat as a ritz cracker for the AFC Championship.

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1. Phillies losing to Blue Jays 1993

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beejmi wrote: Hey Tbolt how about those 1981 Chargers coming off a (classic) 41-38 win over Miami in the playoffs and then going to Cincy and being as flat as a ritz cracker for the AFC Championship.

I was still an Oilers fan, as a holdover from the Phillips - Campbell years.  But I was watching, because I really liked the Fouts - Air Coryell teams.

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try to top these.  Of Course the Vikings and Pirates could add a lot more, same for WVU.  Retroken is the only one in  my league of heart breaking loses.

1.  October 14, 1992 NLCS game 7  - Braves beat the Pirates in bottom of the ninth single by Francisco Carbera and freaking Barry Bonds candy ass arm can't throw out Sid Bream at home palte.  An dthus starts the 17 years and counting of futility.  Had lower level World Sereis Tickets that were useless.

2.  Roger Staubach invents the Hail Mary Pass hitting Drew Pearson to beat the Vikings on December 28, 1975 as the Cowboys advance.

3.  January 24, 2010 NFC title game Brett Farve throws an interception at the end of the game with the Vikings in easy field goal range.  Vikings lose in overtime and no Super Bowl once again.

4.  January 17, 1999 NFC championship game- Gary Anderson misses a 38 yard field goal his first miss of the season and the Vikings blow a big lead and lose in OT to the Atlanta fucking Falcolns.

5.  March 26, 2005 NCAA Basketball Tourney Wesytern Regional Final.  West Virginia blows a 10 point lead in the final minute missing their last 4 shots and Louisville beats them in OT to advance to the Final 4.

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thunderbolt wrote: beejmi wrote: Hey Tbolt how about those 1981 Chargers coming off a (classic) 41-38 win over Miami in the playoffs and then going to Cincy and being as flat as a ritz cracker for the AFC Championship.

I was still an Oilers fan, as a holdover from the Phillips - Campbell years.  But I was watching, because I really liked the Fouts - Air Coryell teams.

It's a shame those teams never won anything. As awesome as the offensive show was the defense was every bit as bad.

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1 The 1984 Cubs with Cy Young award winner Rick Sutcliffe on the mound losing game 5 of the NLCS to the San Diego Padres.

2 Fuck you Alex Gonzales. The Cubs losing the NLCS to The Florida Marlins. Forget the year. I don't wanna remember anything more about it.

3 The DePaul Blue Demons losing in the first round of the NCAA basketball tourney in 1982.

4 It wasn't a playoff loss or this would be number one. The Cubs choking in 1969.

5 The Hawks losing in the Stanley Cup Finals to Montreal in 1971.

Please note DePaul is no longer my team. I tossed them on the woodpile a long time ago.

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clawmaster wrote: Please note DePaul is no longer my team. I tossed them on the woodpile a long time ago.

See, this is perhaps why Americans don't "get" football.  It's easier to change sex than change your team.  You won't come across ANYone at a match who said they used to support Arsenal but changed to Chelsea cos they liked the colours better or something.  And you can't up and move a team across the country - it's only ever happened once and there was such an outcry about it the rules were changed to stop it happening again; and the team formed to replace the original is now (in league position terms) back to where they were when they were moved.  Supporter culture in the States is very different to the rest of the world. 

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kargol wrote: clawmaster wrote: Please note DePaul is no longer my team. I tossed them on the woodpile a long time ago.

See, this is perhaps why Americans don't "get" football.  It's easier to change sex than change your team.  You won't come across ANYone at a match who said they used to support Arsenal but changed to Chelsea cos they liked the colours better or something.  And you can't up and move a team across the country - it's only ever happened once and there was such an outcry about it the rules were changed to stop it happening again; and the team formed to replace the original is now (in league position terms) back to where they were when they were moved.  Supporter culture in the States is very different to the rest of the world. 

That's another ridiculous generality.  Most Americans live and die by their teams even in the bad times too.  And I bet some brits abandon their teams from time to time. 

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1- Games 4-7 of the 2004 ALCS when Boston beat the Yankess. It was one, giant, painful few days.

2 - Game 7 of the 2001 World Series when Arizona beat the Yankees in the bottom of the 9th to win the series.

3 - Game 7 1985 NBA Finals - Lakers def. Celtics. I was really into the Celtics then, and the freaking Celts just didn't lose series at home.

4 - Game 6 2003 World Series - Yankees lose the series to the freaking Florida Marlins.

5 - 1990 NCAA Regional Finals - Duke beats UConn after Christian Laetner hits a buzzer beater.

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Walk through certain areas of Manchester, where the United team shirt is the only thing being worn by about 75% of the population, and you might change your mind. If the mega-rich (American) owners did say they wanted to move the club, Manchester would riot. Without a shadow of a doubt.

But back on topic. The Cardinals being dumped out of the playoffs last year by the Dodgers was very very disappointing.

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srossi wrote: kargol wrote: clawmaster wrote: Please note DePaul is no longer my team. I tossed them on the woodpile a long time ago.

See, this is perhaps why Americans don't "get" football.  It's easier to change sex than change your team.  You won't come across ANYone at a match who said they used to support Arsenal but changed to Chelsea cos they liked the colours better or something.  And you can't up and move a team across the country - it's only ever happened once and there was such an outcry about it the rules were changed to stop it happening again; and the team formed to replace the original is now (in league position terms) back to where they were when they were moved.  Supporter culture in the States is very different to the rest of the world. 

That's another ridiculous generality.  Most Americans live and die by their teams even in the bad times too.  And I bet some brits abandon their teams from time to time. 


Agreed.  I switched my college teams when I decided on what university I wanted to go to.  I switched NFL and NBA teams when Charlotte got the Panthers and Hornets, and I actually got a "home team" to root for.

And I find it hard to believe the relegation in English futbol doesn't lead to at least temporary shifts in allegiances.  And to defend clawmaster, DePaul was a power in the 1970s and through a good part of the 1980s, and have mostly toiled in basketball purgatory since, despite their presence in good conferences.

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retroken wrote: 5. Marvin Hagler loses split decision (robbed of middleweight title) to Sugar Ray Leonard  1987  *I know this is not a team loss but Hagler was adored by the Boston faithful and I personally wept at the injustice of this decision*




This is a great one.  It's why to this day I can't stand Leonard.

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tofu, it really doesn't. There's a team called Sheffield Wednesday, and they've dropped two divisions in recent years. Their attendance has stayed roughly the same - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C. (go to the support section).

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I don't think this is really as big a disagreement as it appears it might become.  Americans tend to be more transient and the allegiances usually travel with the individual.  I was a Cubs fane, but within I few years of moving to SoCal I adopted the Angels.  Likewise the Chargers. 


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I grew up liking the Oakland Raiders of all things. Most of my friends were Steelers and Cowboys fans and the Eagles sucked. This was all pre-internet so as time wore on the Eagles were much easier to follow and keep track of than the Raiders.

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Re: college sports in the Chicago area

I'm not catholic. There's no way I'd ever root for Notre Dame. I'd never root for the Fighting Illini. Really I enjoy rooting against Notre Dame and Illinois.

As for DePaul, this is a you had to be there at the time thing. They had a good run of recruiting getting Dave Corzine, Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings, Tyrone Corbin etc etc. Then they started sucking again. So I jumped off the bandwagon.

When it comes to college football and college basketball these days, I don't have a specific favorite team. Northwestern football once in a while when they are good.

In pro sports, I do have favorite teams and yes they are local. Cubs. Bulls. Bears. Hawks.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: clawmaster wrote: Please note DePaul is no longer my team. I tossed them on the woodpile a long time ago.

See, this is perhaps why Americans don't "get" football.  It's easier to change sex than change your team.  You won't come across ANYone at a match who said they used to support Arsenal but changed to Chelsea cos they liked the colours better or something.  And you can't up and move a team across the country - it's only ever happened once and there was such an outcry about it the rules were changed to stop it happening again; and the team formed to replace the original is now (in league position terms) back to where they were when they were moved.  Supporter culture in the States is very different to the rest of the world. 

That's another ridiculous generality.  Most Americans live and die by their teams even in the bad times too.  And I bet some brits abandon their teams from time to time. 


Agreed.  I switched my college teams when I decided on what university I wanted to go to.  I switched NFL and NBA teams when Charlotte got the Panthers and Hornets, and I actually got a "home team" to root for.

So your evidence that Rossi is right is to provide evidence that I am right?

Some people stop going if their team descends down the divisions.  True enough.  But that's usually cos it's expensive to watch rubbish.  Leeds were getting 30,000 last year in the third division.  Imagine someone in AAA or whatever it would be baseball getting 180,000.  Our average attendance has been over 20,000 for about 15 years even though we've never won anything and have three much more successful teams within 15 miles.   And if people stop going, they do NOT support anyone else.  It's inhuman.

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5. 2006 Sugar Bowl. Can I count this? West Virginia rips UGA's offense in the first half. Bad officiating nips Georgia's comeback short in the second half.

4. Division II playoffs, 2001. Valdosta State is undefeated and averaging 49 points per game (and giving up an average of 13). This includes a 70-12 blowout on the road of #1 ranked Delta State. They host Catawba College. VSU's defense collapses after a big lead and Catawba wins in overtime, 37-34. One of those instances where a team was just too good during the regular season and faced no competition until the playoffs, where they weren't prepared. As Division II television coverage was even more primitive than it is now, I got to see this thing in person.

3. Game 7 of the 1997 NLCS. Screw you, Eric Gregg.

2. Game 4 of the 1996 World Series. It's worse in retrospect because Jim Leyritz's homer effectively ended Mark Wohlers' career. He was never the same after that, though he did have a statistically good 1997. Yankees would win the next two as Atlanta was completely deflated.

1. Game 7 of the 1991 World Series. I have two Braves highlight tapes from 1991. I still can't watch anything after Game 5 on either one.

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kargol wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: clawmaster wrote: Please note DePaul is no longer my team. I tossed them on the woodpile a long time ago.

See, this is perhaps why Americans don't "get" football.  It's easier to change sex than change your team.  You won't come across ANYone at a match who said they used to support Arsenal but changed to Chelsea cos they liked the colours better or something.  And you can't up and move a team across the country - it's only ever happened once and there was such an outcry about it the rules were changed to stop it happening again; and the team formed to replace the original is now (in league position terms) back to where they were when they were moved.  Supporter culture in the States is very different to the rest of the world. 

That's another ridiculous generality.  Most Americans live and die by their teams even in the bad times too.  And I bet some brits abandon their teams from time to time. 


Agreed.  I switched my college teams when I decided on what university I wanted to go to.  I switched NFL and NBA teams when Charlotte got the Panthers and Hornets, and I actually got a "home team" to root for.

So your evidence that Rossi is right is to provide evidence that I am right?

Some people stop going if their team descends down the divisions.  True enough.  But that's usually cos it's expensive to watch rubbish.  Leeds were getting 30,000 last year in the third division.  Imagine someone in AAA or whatever it would be baseball getting 180,000.  Our average attendance has been over 20,000 for about 15 years even though we've never won anything and have three much more successful teams within 15 miles.   And if people stop going, they do NOT support anyone else.  It's inhuman.


I agree with your assessment to an extent, but I think the main difference between the American sporting rooting interest and the British one that you're missing is the number of sports for which to root.  Consider the four major American sports.  We're talking about 120 or so major professional franchises spread across...what?...50 or so different cities?  And that's not even taking into account Division 1 college sports.  Then you take that 120 number and quadruple it and take that 50 number and triple or quadruple it.  Now we're talking nearly 500 teams in probably 200 or more cities for whom to root.    

Now let's examine the British alternative.  Besides football, what other sporting event are you going to attend live on a regular basis?  Rugby?  To my knowledge, there's no provincial teams to speak of, nor does it evoke the same passion that football does (whereas in America, the passion one fan has for, say, baseball may be equal to the passion he has for basketball).  Cricket?  Don't make me laugh.  That's even more of a niche event than rugby.  What else do you have?  I know there's some fringe ice hockey and basketball leagues, but those are probably the equivalent of American D leagues and probably even more of a niche thing than cricket. 

So what's the point?  Team sports in America comes with options, especially with different types of sports, thus there's much less of a "pigeonhole".  So your pro baseball team's doing crappy?  Oh well.  There's only two more months until college football starts.  See, knowing that eases the pain of a crappy baseball team quite a bit, and perhaps as a result, you become a bit less "rabid" of a fan in comparison to their British counterpart.  The bottom line is, all team sports in America are in direct competition not only within their own league (think the stink the Baltimore Orioles put up a few years ago when it was announced that the Montreal Expos would be moving 40 miles to the south to DC, in direct competition with thier market) but with all other team sports as well. 

In Britain though, football (soccer) is pretty much it as far as team sports go.  It's an island unto itself, and they have a virtual monopoply on mainstream sporting rooting interests.  On top of that, you add in this ingrained element of rabid provinciality that more often than not finds its roots at the local pub, and viola--you have dedicated, lifelong fans of a team regardless of how well or poorly said team is doing.  Hence the outcome is the perception that the Brits are more "loyal" to their teams; in actuality though, you've few if any other options, and will continue to root for your team regardless not so much out of loyalty, but rather just so you can have something to do during the winter.   

Now please note that I'm not saying the British version of rooting for sports is better than the American version, or vice versa.  I'm just saying they're different, that's all.


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kargol wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: clawmaster wrote: Please note DePaul is no longer my team. I tossed them on the woodpile a long time ago.

See, this is perhaps why Americans don't "get" football.  It's easier to change sex than change your team.  You won't come across ANYone at a match who said they used to support Arsenal but changed to Chelsea cos they liked the colours better or something.  And you can't up and move a team across the country - it's only ever happened once and there was such an outcry about it the rules were changed to stop it happening again; and the team formed to replace the original is now (in league position terms) back to where they were when they were moved.  Supporter culture in the States is very different to the rest of the world. 

That's another ridiculous generality.  Most Americans live and die by their teams even in the bad times too.  And I bet some brits abandon their teams from time to time. 


Agreed.  I switched my college teams when I decided on what university I wanted to go to.  I switched NFL and NBA teams when Charlotte got the Panthers and Hornets, and I actually got a "home team" to root for.

So your evidence that Rossi is right is to provide evidence that I am right?

Some people stop going if their team descends down the divisions.  True enough.  But that's usually cos it's expensive to watch rubbish. 

And that's different from America how exactly?  That's exactly what fans of bad teams say here.  It's not like every Pirates fan suddenly became a Yankees fan in the mid-'90s.  No, they just abndoned their team because it was too expensive and too time-consuming to support one that didn't care, and they abandoned the sport with it.  They poured that money into the Steelers or some other local team in another sport. 

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Cos there are people here who have admitted changing their teams.  And what happened when the Dodgers moved to California?  The equivalent here saw fans create a new team and they're now one step away from the League.  Aldershot and Accrington both went bust but fans founded new teams and they are both now back in the League (it took Accrington over 40 years to get back).  Fans do not desert their teams.  Some may stop going, but they still follow them, and get back when the economy/team takes an upturn. 

Rugby has some areas where it is the dominant team sport, but they're pretty limited - south-west (union) and between Liverpool and Manchester/around York (league).  But there are a number of people who follow football and cricket in particular as the seasons are not contiguous, just look at the next England tour and see how many flags pay tribute to football teams.  You'd be surprised how many watch one-day matches in cricket, and Tests are often sold out for all five days.  The problem with county cricket is that people won't take 4 days off work to watch a national match.

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kargol wrote: Cos there are people here who have admitted changing their teams.  And what happened when the Dodgers moved to California?  The equivalent here saw fans create a new team and they're now one step away from the League.  Aldershot and Accrington both went bust but fans founded new teams and they are both now back in the League (it took Accrington over 40 years to get back).  Fans do not desert their teams.  Some may stop going, but they still follow them, and get back when the economy/team takes an upturn. 

The Mets eventually replaced the Dodgers and Giants as the N.L. representative in NY and a lot of those old fans became Mets fans.  And if you're basing your entire perception of American sports fans on what 3 people on a wrestling message said about switching allegiances, then your sample is flawed to say the least.

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I have changed allegncies for various reasons.

Pirates fan tell death (please sell them and relocate them to Charlotte)

Vikings fan till death but follow the local Carolina Panthers some.  Steelers sucked when I started watching football, Vikings were good so thats where I made my choice and grew up in Western Pennsylvania in the 1970's holding my guns and getting my ass kicked over it.

Hockey grew up a Blackhawks fan-The Pens like the Steelers sucked when I started to watch so made the Blackhawks my team  but when they started to really suck the Hurricanes moved here so easy transition (plus working at the arena helps)  team.

Basketball I really don't follow- no Pittsburgh team (Condors never counted) So first a Atlanta Hawks fan because of pete Maravich, then a 76ers Fan because of DR J when Charles Barkley joined them I quit following them.  Was a luke warm Charlotte Hornets fan same with  Bobcats.  I check the standings and box scores and watch 3-5 minutes here and there.

College Sports grew up a Pitt Fan but visited campus and hated it while lo ved WVU so wemnt theer and changed my allegence.  WVU not condusive to graduating so after moving down here I finished at NC State and support them unless they play WVU.  They are so mediocre at everything its hard to be hard core but over time I have seen way more State Football and basketball games than WVU.  Also got another degree from Appalachain State and pull for them.

 

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srossi wrote: kargol wrote: Cos there are people here who have admitted changing their teams.  And what happened when the Dodgers moved to California?  The equivalent here saw fans create a new team and they're now one step away from the League.  Aldershot and Accrington both went bust but fans founded new teams and they are both now back in the League (it took Accrington over 40 years to get back).  Fans do not desert their teams.  Some may stop going, but they still follow them, and get back when the economy/team takes an upturn. 

The Mets eventually replaced the Dodgers and Giants as the N.L. representative in NY and a lot of those old fans became Mets fans.  And if you're basing your entire perception of American sports fans on what 3 people on a wrestling message said about switching allegiances, then your sample is flawed to say the least.


Amazingly enough, I do know some Americans who are not wrestling fans.

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2. Niners (going for the 3-peat) running out clock vs the Giants . Roger Craig fumbles .Giants kick FG and knock Niners out of playoffs. 

1. Giants 6 outs away from winning World Series vs Angels. Leading 5-0 Starter Russ Ortiz allows the first 2 hitters to reach base. Dusty Baker pulls Ortiz and bullpen gives up 6 runs in the last two innings.

 

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1. 2004 ALCS: NY Yankees lose to the Red Sox
2. 2003 WS: NY Yankees lose to the Florida Marlins. They had NO business losing that one.
3. 2001 WS: NY Yankees lose to the Diamondbacks in a fantastic series.
4. 2000 Super Bowl: NY Giants lose to the Ravens after destroying the Vikings in the NFC title game. Kerry Collins plays the most gutless football I have ever witnessed.
5. 1981 WS: NY Yankees lose to LA Dodgers as Dave Winfield acquires the moniker "Mr. May".

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1983 ALCS White Sox lose to Orioles. Jerry Dyb thrown out by a mile to help kill the Sox.

1987 & 88 Bears blow back to back playoff games against Redskins at home. So much for Ditka being a "great" coach.

1971 Black Hawks blow lead and playoff game to Canadiens at home. The local bar had the game on satellite and  the owner let us watch the game there.


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1. The Catch
2. The Seattle Slip
3. Loss to Giants in '07 playoffs
4. Loss to Rams in '79 playoffs (Staubach's last game)
5. I'll say the Ice Bowl even though I was three months old.

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Chitown Rich wrote:

1987 & 88 Bears blow back to back playoff games against Redskins at home. So much for Ditka being a "great" coach.


Especially the game where the Bears punted the ball to Hall Of Famer Darrell Green. Kick the ball out of bounds you idiots.

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My list is a little bit different than you'd think because the most disappointing Bills Super Bowl moments happened when I was a little kid, so I didn't have a ton invested in it.

1. Game 6 1999 Stanley Cup Finals. Obvious one. Just total incompetence, which I think was a big factor in the NHL becoming a huge joke in the US to a lot of people. It seems that just in this past year as the league started to recover some image.

2. Game 7 2006 Eastern Conference NHL Finals. Sabres probably win the Cup if 5,623 defenseman do not get hurt. Minor league scrub Rory Fitzpatrick blows it in the third period defensively. Raleigh, whose area may have had more Sabres fans than Hurricanes fans lurking around during that series wins the Cup out of it. I'm sure Cory will list Ty Conklin if he comes in here.

3. Music City Miracle because it was yet another blown call. Good job by the NFL having the instant replay machine right next to a huge crowd of Titans fans.

4. Super Bowl 25

5. Week 17 2004 season. Bills vs. the Steelers' third string. Bills make the playoffs with a win, but instead, Drew Bledslow writes his ticket out of town with a disastrously arrogant performance. It all started off bad when he defied the Head Coach on the opening coin toss.

As a Yankees fan, I could have said 2004 ALCS, but I called it on OLC at the time. The Yankees scored 19 runs or whatever in Game 3, and that team always disappeared for a week after having scored a bunch of runs.

 

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1980- Flyers lose to the Islanders on a bogus non-offsides call in 6 games

1997- Flyers get swept by the Red Wings in 4 straight.

2004- Eagles losing the Super Bowl against the Patriots

2008- Eagles loses NFC Championship game to the Cardinals

2002- Eagles lose to Tampa in the NFC Championship game

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That's what I get for rushing a reply and not supporting it well before driving my wife to an appointment.

I switched allegiances in my NBA and NFL teams because teams were added in my home market, which was something I always wanted as a North Carolinian, since there were no real local teams.  If that makes me a bandwagon fan, so be it, but I've stuck with the teams in the North Carolina market, despite their lack of success.

I was a general ACC fan in college sports until I decided I wanted to go to Duke and have supported Duke teams ever since.  Don't call me a bandwagoner when I've put up with Duke football for the last twenty years.  What allegiances I've switched have been due to major changes in the leagues, or in my life.  In pro sports, I've seen "my" team win two championships in all my life, the 1983 76ers and the 1995 Braves.  I've been more fortunate in college basketball.

I don't think allegiance has much to do with why Americans haven't taken to soccer/football/futbol.  I think it's more the American style to take to American things, and while one can debate the origins of baseball, football, and basketball, they were all popularized in the United States.  Soccer was not popularized here, and has had a harder time breaking through.  I personally think soccer is probably a "purer" sport than any of the more popular team sports in the United States.  The objective is so simple.   Eleven players are trying to put the ball into the opponents' goal while trying to prevent their opponents from doing the same.  It truly is beautiful in its simplicity.  I know there are nuances far beyond that, but the objective of the game is so pure.  As I've gotten older, I've grown to have a greater appreciation for just how difficult it is to put that ball in the opponents' goal, and don't mind the low scores a bit.

Most American sports enthusiasts have the impression that the world is calling them stupid or uncultured for not loving the sport as much as those from other countries do.  As a result, many get defensive about that and point out what they see to be shortcomings of the sport, and we get these standoffs over the issue.  People don't like being called uncouth, and people don't like others disparaging the game/sport they love.  Both these things are completely understandable.  I think with demographic shifts in the United State and more youth participation, soccer will continue to slowly gain ground.  I don't see MLS ever being as popular as the NFL, MLB, or the NBA.  In southern states, it probably has a shot as being as popular as the NHL at some point.  It's a more TV-friendly product than the NHL, when those damned horns aren't blowing.

And another thing Americans don't get about soccer are the riots.  We just don't get these stadium riots at all.  The American way is to watch sports at home, and go riot in the streets.

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1991- my beloved Detroit Lions LOSE to the Washington Redskins in the NFC title game(after leading 10-0 @ halftime-Mother fucking shitty Lions)

1988-gm 7 loss to the Lakers in the NBA finals. First chance for a team to "three peat" in a bit of time.

2009-SC finals gm 7-FUCK YOU PITTSBURGH PENGUINS(&Chris Osgood)

2006 WS-my Tigers GAVE THAT FUCKING SERIES AWAY to the Cardinals.

2005-NBA finals-Pistons couldve(and shouldve) repeated here, but Larry fucking Brown, couldnt decide what team he wanted to coach, and that fucked us all up. Fuck you Larry Brown

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tofu_chipmunk wrote:
Most American sports enthusiasts have the impression that the world is calling them stupid or uncultured for not loving the sport as much as those from other countries do.  As a result, many get defensive about that and point out what they see to be shortcomings of the sport, and we get these standoffs over the issue.  People don't like being called uncouth, and people don't like others disparaging the game/sport they love.  Both these things are completely understandable.  I think with demographic shifts in the United State and more youth participation, soccer will continue to slowly gain ground.  I don't see MLS ever being as popular as the NFL, MLB, or the NBA.  In southern states, it probably has a shot as being as popular as the NHL at some point.  It's a more TV-friendly product than the NHL, when those damned horns aren't blowing.

And another thing Americans don't get about soccer are the riots.  We just don't get these stadium riots at all.  The American way is to watch sports at home, and go riot in the streets.

The world doesn't really care about American support for American sports, what the world does think is calling a baseball competition played in one country the "World" Series is a bit presumptuous.  Especially when the Cubans are more successful at the Olympics.  Stick the Havana Habaneros or whatever in there and let's see a real world championship.

The problem football has is the US media.  Same as NASCAR.  The latter was seriously ignored for years, I remember on my first visit to the States in the early 1990s I was astounded at the coverage NASCAR got - nothing.  Even though it was already the number 2 spectator sport.  But it didn't register with the ingrained attitudes of the primarily north-east sportswriters.  It's obviously muscled its way in since, but it took time and a gigantic bandwagon.  Why would football get coverage when the writers know, understand and love baseball, gridiron and basketball?  And know their audience?

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: That's what I get for rushing a reply and not supporting it well before driving my wife to an appointment.

I switched allegiances in my NBA and NFL teams because teams were added in my home market, which was something I always wanted as a North Carolinian, since there were no real local teams.  If that makes me a bandwagon fan, so be it, but I've stuck with the teams in the North Carolina market, despite their lack of success.

I was a general ACC fan in college sports until I decided I wanted to go to Duke and have supported Duke teams ever since.  Don't call me a bandwagoner when I've put up with Duke football for the last twenty years.  What allegiances I've switched have been due to major changes in the leagues, or in my life.  In pro sports, I've seen "my" team win two championships in all my life, the 1983 76ers and the 1995 Braves.  I've been more fortunate in college basketball.

I don't think allegiance has much to do with why Americans haven't taken to soccer/football/futbol.  I think it's more the American style to take to American things, and while one can debate the origins of baseball, football, and basketball, they were all popularized in the United States.  Soccer was not popularized here, and has had a harder time breaking through.  I personally think soccer is probably a "purer" sport than any of the more popular team sports in the United States.  The objective is so simple.   Eleven players are trying to put the ball into the opponents' goal while trying to prevent their opponents from doing the same.  It truly is beautiful in its simplicity.  I know there are nuances far beyond that, but the objective of the game is so pure.  As I've gotten older, I've grown to have a greater appreciation for just how difficult it is to put that ball in the opponents' goal, and don't mind the low scores a bit.

Most American sports enthusiasts have the impression that the world is calling them stupid or uncultured for not loving the sport as much as those from other countries do.  As a result, many get defensive about that and point out what they see to be shortcomings of the sport, and we get these standoffs over the issue.  People don't like being called uncouth, and people don't like others disparaging the game/sport they love.  Both these things are completely understandable.  I think with demographic shifts in the United State and more youth participation, soccer will continue to slowly gain ground.  I don't see MLS ever being as popular as the NFL, MLB, or the NBA.  In southern states, it probably has a shot as being as popular as the NHL at some point.  It's a more TV-friendly product than the NHL, when those damned horns aren't blowing.

And another thing Americans don't get about soccer are the riots.  We just don't get these stadium riots at all.  The American way is to watch sports at home, and go riot in the streets.

First up, and I know this isn't tofu's point, but other sports in the UK. Rugby is huge, but only in certain areas (South West and North-East-ish). Cricket occasionally (although at non-national level, not all that huge). But yes, football is the biggest thing by a long way. We're more interested in non-localised stuff like Formula 1 (where the last two world champions are English).

Back to the point, changing allegiance in sports teams is incredibly rare. Size of country may make a difference, as people can move to the other side of the country and it's still only a few hours journey to see your team. I don't know. I don't think there's anything unique about British DNA, or anything.

Re: the world calling the USA stupid or uncouth, every single time I've seen this happen, it's been the person from the USA who's started the argument by saying "football's rubbish, why do other people like it?" I'm casting my mind back, and I can't come up with a single example of British people criticising the American attitude to football first...simple explanation is, we just don't care if you like it or not. Much the same as your attitude to us and baseball, basketball, ice hockey and American football, but those arguments never start because we don't start them off in forums like this.

I'm prepared to be proved wrong about this, but look at the World Cup thread - things were fine up to thunderbolt weighing in with "I've yet to meet anyone who gives a shit". Then why fucking post in a World Cup thread???

And we've not rioted for a fair old while. We're quite polite these days.

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2. The Seattle Slip

Very fond memory, I was chatting with LAF online while that was happening. It was great. The Romo fumble. And in the Pick Em Pool I couldn't decide between the teams so I had Dallas (+2 1/2) to cover and Seattle to win straightup. It was like having a pre-paid hooker show up at your door.

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1988-gm 7 loss to the Lakers in the NBA finals. First chance for a team to "three peat" in a bit of time. 

2009-SC finals gm 7-FUCK YOU PITTSBURGH PENGUINS.

2005-NBA finals-Pistons couldve(and shouldve) repeated here, but Larry fucking Brown, couldnt decide what team he wanted to coach, and that fucked us all up. Fuck you Larry Brown


Thanks, Sting, you covered most of my list.  I'm too lazy to research the rest of the dates, but they are close.

87 I believe... Bird steals Isiah's inbound pass.

85 Dave Henderson kills the Angels and Donnie Moore.

95 Paul Coffey scores in his own net giving the Avs game one of the Conference Finals. The Wings just unravelled from that point.  Keep in mind they had set the record for most points in a season, and looked like they were playing against pee-wee teams all season.  They lit Pat Roy up for 10 goals and ran him out of Montreal.  Everyone thought they should have skipped the playoffs and just given the Wings the Cup.

 

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As a fan of the Ohio teams I could write a fucking novel, but to narrow it down some...

1.) Jose Mesa, Game 7. 

2.) 2006-7 BCS Championship.  With the exception of the 1990 Liberty Bowl when they lost to Air Force, I have never, ever seen a Buckeyes team look so completely unprepared.  I spent a year of my life in anticipation of that inevitable championship appearance and I switched the thing off at halftime.

3.) 2007 ALCS.  Specifically game 7 when 3B coach Joel Skinner holds up Kenny Lofton with 1 out in the 7th inning when Lofton could have easily scored the tying run.  Casey Blake promptly grounds into an inning-ending DP and the Tribe pen coughs up 6 runs and any chance of a comeback.  All after being up 3-1 in the series.  This hurt a lot because there's no doubt we would have taken Colorado if we could have won won more freaking game against Boston.  Now I wonder if I'll ever see the Tribe in the playoffs again.

4.) The Drive.  Would be #1 but I was too young to get *that* emotionally attached to a sporting event, and also too young to realize that the Browns, Buckeyes, and Indians would shatter me many, many, many more times.

5.) Greg Oden and the Buckeyes' loss to Florida in the 2007 NCAA finals.  Even though we weren't favored, it was bad enough that we got our asses kicked by the Gators in one sport--then it had to happen again at the hands of that fucker Joakim Noah.

I only have about a million other options to choose from--double that if you include regular-season games that were essentially elimination contests.

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Famous Mortimer wrote: Back to the point, changing allegiance in sports teams is incredibly rare. Size of country may make a difference, as people can move to the other side of the country and it's still only a few hours journey to see your team.
This, right here.

Let's all keep this in perspective: the country of England is roughly the same size as Alabama.  Looking at a map, I see almost every Premier League team is based either in London or Manchester--about 4 or 5 are isolated.  There just isn't the amount of large regional variation and distance that there is in the U.S., and--to my knowledge--almost no such thing as regional TV/radio coverage, either.

Shrink everything down to an Alabama-sized sports system--think high school or small college sports--and you're not going to see any allegiance shifts there, either. 

As someone else said, Americans are more transient, and only in the last ten years have satellite dishes and high-speed Internet made it feasible to regularly watch a team that's "out of market."  Before then, if you moved to LA but wanted to remain a fan of a Cleveland team, regardless of which sport, your only hope to watch them on TV was if they were on a national telecast or playing a SoCal team.

The size of the country also led to things like franchising back when sports (or baseball, specifically) first went professional around the 1880's.  Even though the major teams only stretched from New England to St. Louis, that's still a territory far bigger than any country in Europe.  Owners wanted to monopolize their control of a city--something you could do when you had lots of big, spread-out cities to choose from.  That's why you have franchise movement that continues today and why there never would have been a relegation system developed in the U.S.

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Mine are all hockey, as I only watch other sports without favorite teams.

1. After a miracle Playoff run, the Oilers are fucked by their own d-man (Marc Andre Bergeron) who runs the hottest goaltender of the playoffs (Dwayne Roloson)  Which then led to Ty Conklin doing this (Yes LAF, it still hurts.  We would have beat Buffalo though)



2. Coming back to tie the finals 3-3, then losing game 7.

3. STEVE SMITH!

4. Marc Crawford not putting Gretzky into the Nagano games shootout was bad.

5. Losing to Gretzky in the 89 playoffs. after being up 3 games to 1.

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Cory17 wrote: Mine are all hockey, as I only watch other sports without favorite teams.

1. After a miracle Playoff run, the Oilers are fucked by their own d-man (Marc Andre Bergeron) who runs the hottest goaltender of the playoffs (Dwayne Roloson)  Which then led to Ty Conklin doing this (Yes LAF, it still hurts.  We would have beat Buffalo though)



2. Coming back to tie the finals 3-3, then losing game 7.

3. STEVE SMITH!

4. Marc Crawford not putting Gretzky into the Nagano games shootout was bad.

5. Losing to Gretzky in the 89 playoffs. after being up 3 games to 1.

and living in Raleigh, NC and working at the arena that Canes Cup win would be my top sports moment!  I can remember standing with a group of Oilers fans who drove (yes didn't fly) to raleigh to watch that game.  They were devastated, as I would have been had the Canes coked up a 3 game sto 1 lead.

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1. Vikings lose to the Falcons in the 1998 NFC Title Game. How did they manage to blow that game?

2. Gophers lose to Kentucky in the semis of the 1997 Final Four. I've never rooted as hard for any team as for the 1996-97 Minnesota basketball team.

The Gophs had always been an "almost" team. That year they won the Big Ten Title in commanding fashion, finished the regular season ranked #3 nationally, #1 seed in the Midwest Region, included 4 future NBA first round draft picks and a 5th who could and should have been, Bobby Jackson had the best all around season of any player I've ever seen wear the Maroon and Gold, and the atmosphere in Williams Arena was electrifying all year long. To be in Indianapolis at the Final Four with big shots like Kentucky, North Carolina, and Arizona was a dream come true.

I knew that winning the national title was unlikely, as was making the final, but being a fan means having hope and it was so disappointing to watch it end. Then the NCAA violations came to light and that season has been Stalinized out of history. The accomplishments have been wiped out, the banners were taken down, and as fans we can't even properly reminisce about it since technically the run never happened and the U can't acknowledge it as having happened. So no reunions or special commemorative events.

3. Vikings lose to the Saints in the 2009 NFC Title Game. Seeing what's become of the team this year and knowing the Vikes won't get as good a chance for a long time just makes it hurt more.

4. Vikings lose to the Giants in the 2000 NFC Title Game. I never considered the Vikes favorites as a road team, despite what some said at the time. However, I also never thought they'd lose 44-0 either.

5. Too many other games to mention.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: I think Bill Simmons might refer to these as the "Stomach Punch Games".  The rules for this list compilation are simple--keep it to 5 games or less, keep it to games that were part of a playoff or tournament (i.e., Olympic ice hockey, NCAA Final Four, World Cup, etc.), and keep it to teams and years that you actually rooted for, and actually had an emotional interest in.  (For example, one of the most disappointing losses that immediately popped into my head was the 1978 Red Sox "Bucky F'in Dent" game.  However, I was too young in 1978, and didn't follow the Sox or even baseball then, so I really didn't root for that team, nor did I have an emotional interest in the outcome of the game.)

Being from Boston, I have a selection of disappointing losses from the sports teams that I've rooted for and been loyal to from which to choose; as discussed here, last night's Celtics loss was particularly devestating to me, to the point that it comes in at number five on my list.  My list is:

1.  Patriots lose to NY Giants, Super Bowl XLII, 2007
2.  Red Sox lose to NY Mets, Game 6, 1986 World Series
3.  Red Sox lose to NY Mets, Game 7, 1986 World Series
4.  Red Sox lose to NY Yankees, Game 7, 2003 ALCS
5.  Celtic lose to Lakers, Game 7, 2010 NBA Finals

For the record, the only reason Game 6 of the '86 World Series is my personal number two is because (1) the Sox won in 2004 and (2) the Super Bowl XLII loss was so devestating.  If not for those two factors, Game 6 would've been my number one by default.

Thanks for the bump, tamalie.  I can see by what I wrote here back in June that Sunday's Patsies debacle still wouldn't even register in my Top 5.  It might make my Top 10 though...I'd have to give it a bit more thought.  Lotsa disappointing Red Sox teams back in the day...

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Cory17 wrote: (Yes LAF, it still hurts.  We would have beat Buffalo though)

4. Marc Crawford not putting Gretzky into the Nagano games shootout was bad.


Nope.

And...is that the shootout where Hasek dominated the Canadian team and then split Richard Smehlik's head open during the celebration?

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LAF wrote: Cory17 wrote: (Yes LAF, it still hurts.  We would have beat Buffalo though)

4. Marc Crawford not putting Gretzky into the Nagano games shootout was bad.


Nope.

And...is that the shootout where Hasek dominated the Canadian team and then split Richard Smehlik's head open during the celebration?

Wow, now that was a good pick there Cory. I remember being so dumbfounded about that. There was a lot of head shaking and finger pointing over that decision for a long time afterward.

Thankfully we ended up getting the deal done in Salt Lake City. That moment would be in my top five greatest emotional moments as a sports fan if we had a thread on that...-wink-wink- there DFG34

And LAF I believe that was the shootout...Not 100% on that, but seems to me that was when that comedy of errors happened.

Talk about a celebration. The Czech Republic treated that victory as a HUGE national event. I was actually a bit happy for them to win it that year actually after all they were able to accomplish pretty much peacefully with their 'Velvet revolution' after the the fall of The Soviet Bloc in the 90's. The 90's was a turbulent era for a lot of those eastern bloc countries so it was great to see something like their Men's ice Hockey team win the gold at the Olympics to really unify the country basically at the end of the 90's. Highly emotional moment for them...Not so much for The Russians and more-so Canada. ;)

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: 3. Loss to Giants in '07 playoffs
This one hurt because the Cowboys were a better team on paper, but came out and stunk the joint out.

The 1994 NFC Championship game is also a piss off. If you take away that god awful first 10 minutes where the Cowboys spotted the Niners a 21-0 lead, they completely outplayed them the rest of the game.

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beejmi wrote:

2- Tampa Bay Bucs come into Vet Stadium and roll the Eagles in the 2002 NFC Championship game. Philly had handled basically the same team many times before (easily) Tampa Bay having an 0-30 record in cold temperatures, etc. Compounded by the Raiders laying down for the Bucs in that Super Bowl. If they had won the NFC Championship like they should have they would have won the Super Bowl.


I loved that one.

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Benlen wrote:

1. Giants 6 outs away from winning World Series vs Angels. Leading 5-0 Starter Russ Ortiz allows the first 2 hitters to reach base. Dusty Baker pulls Ortiz and bullpen gives up 6 runs in the last two innings.

 


Again, another classic.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:

1997- Flyers get swept by the Red Wings in 4 straight.


2002- Eagles lose to Tampa in the NFC Championship game


Two of my favorites.

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Mar Cash bans a team from his fantasy football league, has other teams quit out of boredom, and still can't manage to make even the consolation playoffs in a ten-team league with the dumbest scoring system in the history of fantasy sports.  A sad day for all Assaholics.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote:
Mar Cash bans a team from his fantasy football league, has other teams quit out of boredom, and still can't manage to make even the consolation playoffs in a ten-team league with the dumbest scoring system in the history of fantasy sports.  A sad day for all Assaholics.

LOL

What did I do to deserve a ban, anyway?

He also had one guy with two teams, and allowed him to make lop sided trades with himself.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tofu_chipmunk wrote:
Mar Cash bans a team from his fantasy football league, has other teams quit out of boredom, and still can't manage to make even the consolation playoffs in a ten-team league with the dumbest scoring system in the history of fantasy sports.  A sad day for all Assaholics.

LOL

What did I do to deserve a ban, anyway?

He also had one guy with two teams, and allowed him to make lop sided trades with himself.


I think the ban came down to an exchange similar to this, from 1999:

Chief Wiggum: Alright smart guy, where's the fire?
Homer Simpson: Over there.
[Homer points to a fire at the police station]
Chief Wiggum: Okay, you just bought yourself a 317, pointing out police stupidity... Or is that a 314? Nah nah, 314 is a dog uh, in, no or is that a 315?... You're in trouble pal.

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5. Kings losing to Montreal, 1993 Cup finals

4. A's laying down for the Tigers in the '06 ALCS

3. A's losing to the Blue Jays in the '92 ALCS

2. 1988 World Series

1. 1990 World Series

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1. Pirates losing game 7 of the NLCS, any more said would risk undoing years of therapy.

2. Pens losing in the second round to the Islanders in game 7 back in 1993. Should have been the third cup in a row, that was by far the best team the Pens ever fielded. In fact between losing Badger Bob and Mario's cancer battle the whole year was one long punch in the stomach for Pens fans.

3. Neil Motherfucking O'Donnell literally handing Super Bowl XXX to Dallas with picks that looked like they were drawn up to go to the defense.

4. Steelers losing the AFC championship to San Diego in 1994.

5. Pens losing the Cup finals in 2008 to Detroit. The Red Wings were the better team that series, but the Pens were making me think they could pull it off before going splat in game 6.


Looking back, the early 90s were brutal for Pittsburgh sports fans. You had 3 different teams in three straight years punch you in the dick in championship moments. Pirates in 1992, Pens in 1993, Steelers in 1994.

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1 - the Habs beat the Blackhawks in game 7 of the 1970 - 1971 Stanley Cup finals.
      I was a Blackhawks fan & hated (always will) the Canadiens. Final score, 3-2.

2 - Blue Monday. The Dodgers beat the Expos 2-1 in game 5 of the NLCS (1981).
     I always hated the Dodgers & that POS Lasorda.  Rick Monday homers
     in the 9th, killing the Expos. They would never reach the postseason again.

3 - 1985, the Royals beat the Blue Jays in game 7 of the ALCS. The Jays led the
     series 3 -2 . This was the first year the playoffs were extended to best of 7.
     If not, the Jays win the series. Fuck. Ironically, this was the best Blue Jay team
     record wise, winning 99 games in the regular season.

4 - game 7 of the 1960 WS. The Yanks totally dominated the series stats-wise,
     but lost to Mazeroski's home run. Red Sox fans hate Bucky fucking Dent.
     Yankee fans hated Bill fucking Maz.

5 - game 7 of the 1975 WS. It was such a great series that I thought it would end 
     with a dramatic homer in the 9th. The ending was anti-climatic..

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lobo316 wrote: 4 - game 7 of the 1960 WS. The Yanks totally dominated the series stats-wise,
     but lost to Mazeroski's home run. Red Sox fans hate Bucky fucking Dent.
     Yankee fans hated Bill fucking Maz.


 

My In-laws are all Yankee fans. My Father-In-Law is 66 years old and was 15 when the Yanks and Pirates met in 1960. We watched the game on the MLB network on Christmas day. Let me assure you, Yanks fans STILL hate Bill Mazeroski. LOL

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lobo316 wrote: 2 - Blue Monday. The Dodgers beat the Expos 2-1 in game 5 of the NLCS (1981).
     I always hated the Dodgers & that POS Lasorda.  Rick Monday homers
     in the 9th, killing the Expos. They would never reach the postseason again.


 

To this end, the 1994 season getting cancelled when the Expos had a great team and a legit chance to get to the World Series was as disappointing of a moment as I've ever experienced in relation to baseball.

that was their year if they were ever going to have one, they knew they wouldn't be able to keep that team together. Damn shame.

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khawk wrote: lobo316 wrote: 2 - Blue Monday. The Dodgers beat the Expos 2-1 in game 5 of the NLCS (1981).
     I always hated the Dodgers & that POS Lasorda.  Rick Monday homers
     in the 9th, killing the Expos. They would never reach the postseason again.


 

To this end, the 1994 season getting cancelled when the Expos had a great team and a legit chance to get to the World Series was as disappointing of a moment as I've ever experienced in relation to baseball.

that was their year if they were ever going to have one, they knew they wouldn't be able to keep that team together. Damn shame.


 

I always hoped the Expos & Blue Jays would meet in the World Series.

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LAF wrote: Cory17 wrote: (Yes LAF, it still hurts.  We would have beat Buffalo though)

4. Marc Crawford not putting Gretzky into the Nagano games shootout was bad.


Nope.

And...is that the shootout where Hasek dominated the Canadian team and then split Richard Smehlik's head open during the celebration?

Yeah, that defense was really going to set the world on fire.  Oilers would have swept :D

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:
dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: I think Bill Simmons might refer to these as the "Stomach Punch Games".  The rules for this list compilation are simple--keep it to 5 games or less, keep it to games that were part of a playoff or tournament (i.e., Olympic ice hockey, NCAA Final Four, World Cup, etc.), and keep it to teams and years that you actually rooted for, and actually had an emotional interest in.  (For example, one of the most disappointing losses that immediately popped into my head was the 1978 Red Sox "Bucky F'in Dent" game.  However, I was too young in 1978, and didn't follow the Sox or even baseball then, so I really didn't root for that team, nor did I have an emotional interest in the outcome of the game.)

Being from Boston, I have a selection of disappointing losses from the sports teams that I've rooted for and been loyal to from which to choose; as discussed here, last night's Celtics loss was particularly devestating to me, to the point that it comes in at number five on my list.  My list is:

1.  Patriots lose to NY Giants, Super Bowl XLII, 2007
2.  Red Sox lose to NY Mets, Game 6, 1986 World Series
3.  Red Sox lose to NY Mets, Game 7, 1986 World Series
4.  Red Sox lose to NY Yankees, Game 7, 2003 ALCS
5.  Celtic lose to Lakers, Game 7, 2010 NBA Finals

For the record, the only reason Game 6 of the '86 World Series is my personal number two is because (1) the Sox won in 2004 and (2) the Super Bowl XLII loss was so devestating.  If not for those two factors, Game 6 would've been my number one by default.

Thanks for the bump, tamalie.  I can see by what I wrote here back in June that Sunday's Patsies debacle still wouldn't even register in my Top 5.  It might make my Top 10 though...I'd have to give it a bit more thought.  Lotsa disappointing Red Sox teams back in the day...


In lieu of tonight's developments, I figure I'd have to update this to reflect more recent events. I'd probably have to keep my Top 5 as is, but call tonight's Patsies/Gints Super Bowl "5A". Coming in at 6 and 7 respectively are the 2011 Patsies playoff loss to the Jets, and the 2010 Patsies playoff loss to the Ravens. Coming in as an asterisk (*) for me (since it technically wasn't a playoff loss and all) was the 2011 Red Sox September implosion.

See, here's the thing about Boston sports...yes, we've had an ungodly amount of riches in the last decade--7 championships in 10 years is evidence of that; however, we've had nearly as many colossal disappointments in the same amount of time. So there.

I know, I know...cry me a fucking river. But still...

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retroken wrote: 1.  Pats lose perfect season and Super Bowl to NY Giants

2.  Game 6 Red Sox lose to NY Mets  1986 Series - Buckner error

3.  Red Sox lose 1978 tie-breaker game to Yankees - fucking Bucky Dent

4. Celtics lose Game 7 to Lakers 2010 NBA Finals

5. Marvin Hagler loses split decision (robbed of middleweight title) to Sugar Ray Leonard  1987  *I know this is not a team loss but Hagler was adored by the Boston faithful and I personally wept at the injustice of this decision*


yesterday doesn't even make my top five - great game, could have gone either way, Giants played better at the end and deserved the victory, not much more to say than that

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:
retroken wrote: 5. Marvin Hagler loses split decision (robbed of middleweight title) to Sugar Ray Leonard  1987  *I know this is not a team loss but Hagler was adored by the Boston faithful and I personally wept at the injustice of this decision*




This is a great one.  It's why to this day I can't stand Leonard.



X3......Hagler/Hearns were great. Disliked Leonard when it seemed hed
eek out a cheap win, then trash both afterwards. Hagler literally destroyed him a few times, only to get the shaft in the end.

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retroken wrote: retroken wrote: 1.  Pats lose perfect season and Super Bowl to NY Giants

2.  Game 6 Red Sox lose to NY Mets  1986 Series - Buckner error

3.  Red Sox lose 1978 tie-breaker game to Yankees - fucking Bucky Dent

4. Celtics lose Game 7 to Lakers 2010 NBA Finals

5. Marvin Hagler loses split decision (robbed of middleweight title) to Sugar Ray Leonard  1987  *I know this is not a team loss but Hagler was adored by the Boston faithful and I personally wept at the injustice of this decision*


yesterday doesn't even make my top five - great game, could have gone either way, Giants played better at the end and deserved the victory, not much more to say than that

You nailed it IMO

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stingmark wrote:  Hagler literally destroyed him a few times, only to get the shaft in the end.
Sugar Ray Leonard = The T-1000.



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