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Claw- Maybe this is a thread you'd stick to the top of the page.  In the last week when I've concentrated on researching, I have used this page to quickly switch between calendars for a certain year to verify vague "Last Saturday night" references and the like in the news archives:

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1986&country=1

 

That's a direct link to open the 1986 calendar but then you can switch to any year.  Are there any other tried-and-true research aids that anyone would recommend?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I stickied it. I'm glad I remember how and didn't have to ask Beej. :tongue:

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I also use TimeAndDate.com quite often.

NewspaperArchive.com shows the day of the week in the search results, but Google News and many individual newspaper archive sites don't.

http://boxrec.com/media/ helped me several times in the past with the info on boxing/wrestling venues. Not many are listed, though.

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I usually just google "1967 calendar" for instance.

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Possibly of use for Australia

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

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Thanks for that link One Fan Gang. Sites like that are really helpful the few times I've researched the few cards I did.

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Just throwing another testimonial for the calendar page as a good cross-check, which was especially helpful in verifying a Google news archive page.  A Lexington, NC result and a related article link were billed as being from September 1953.  When I tried to match the dates up via the calendar, the day of the week was wrong.  Upon closer examination of the headers, I discovered that the papers were actually from September 1958.   Just saying that the date the archive gives you may in fact be incorrect, and you should investigate the dates as they are printed in the paper's original typeface. 

Hopefully it can lessen inaccuracy in some career records which may have been researched already and where discrepancies have creeped in.

 

 

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One Fan Gang wrote:  

Just throwing another testimonial for the calendar page as a good cross-check, which was especially helpful in verifying a Google news archive page.  A Lexington, NC result and a related article link were billed as being from September 1953.  When I tried to match the dates up via the calendar, the day of the week was wrong.  Upon closer examination of the headers, I discovered that the papers were actually from September 1958.   Just saying that the date the archive gives you may in fact be incorrect, and you should investigate the dates as they are printed in the paper's original typeface. 

Hopefully it can lessen inaccuracy in some career records which may have been researched already and where discrepancies have creeped in.
 

Yep that happens once in a while. That's why I always scroll up and check the date of the paper.

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Whilst it does happen, it's uncommon for the newspaper to be listed under the wrong year. What is much more common, is two or more (I've seen more than 10 before) being bunched together on the same day. If you are looking for a specific paper, and it looks like the one you want is missing, have a look at the first date before the date you need, and you might find it filed on that date. Sometimes they are just missing, though.

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Another parallel tool I have found helpful is boxrec.com.  I figured that many buildings were used for boxing as well as wrestling, and a search engine can find the city if it's difficult to discern from publicity by typing the venue name and "boxrec" with it.   Not 100% accurate but at least boxing tried to organize its history at one time.

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FWIW, when looking up dates, I use my calendar on my computer clock, takes 3 seconds to access and goes back to 1900.

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Here's a cool site where you can quickly find out if Wrestler A ever wrestled or teamed with Wrestler B.

http://wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=konst

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Google News Archive Search

For the past couple of years, I have been using this tool to search for wrestling clips, results, etc. Everything was working fine until last night. No matter what phrase I typed in, it always came back telling me there were no matches made for my search.

I would usually type in "wrestling" and then a wrestler's name, a venue, state, or whatever I was searching for with that particular phrase. Do you or someone else you know been experiencing the same thing?

Thanks for any help.

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I used it some this morning Larry. It was working okay then.

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Hmmmm...wonder why it isn't working for me anymore. I did send an email to them telling them of my problem. Thanks.

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This is puzzling Larry. I just tried it again before making this reply.I entered "Abe Jacobs wrestling" and got 877 results from the archive.

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I just typed in "Abe Jacobs wrestling" and it came up "No Results". Would you mind posting the link that you use? Maybe the one I have isn't right or got corrupted somehow.

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Sure thing Larry. I just did the search again before this reply. Here is the link I use and some screen grabs :

http://news.google.com/news/advanced_news_search



 

 

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I should have posted a link to the results too. Here it is :

http://www.google.com/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&tbm=nws&gl=us&as_q=Abe%20Jacobs%20wrestling&as_occt=any&as_drrb=a&tbs=ar%3A1&authuser=0

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I get "no results found" when doing exactly the same. Has been that way for me for nearly a year though.

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CW Hall wrote:
I should have posted a link to the results too. Here it is :

http://www.google.com/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&tbm=nws&gl=us&as_q=Abe%20Jacobs%20wrestling&as_occt=any&as_drrb=a&tbs=ar%3A1&authuser=0


This is what I get when following your link above:

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This is strange.I just clicked on the link in my post above and got the 877 results again. I don't know why it would not work for you. Sorry.

 

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click on the Archives link again , and it opens up ,  worked for me too

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This is getting even more bizarre the more I try it! I clicked on your link and first it was coming up "404 File Not Found". The I tried again and it started giving me the "No Results Found" message.

Then I opened up Firefox to try it. Same results. I am currently using Google Chrome as my web browser.

I will just wait to see if the email I sent to Google Support ever gets answered. Thanks for help though.

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Now, mysteriously Google New Archives Search is working properly again. Go figure. :?

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Not for me. Please let us know if you receive reply from Google.

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Fantasmagori wrote:
Not for me. Please let us know if you receive reply from Google.

If I receive anything I will post it here.

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It has to be something on my home PC that is causing the problem. I tried the link at work, and everything was fine! I get home, try again, and back to "No Results Found". This is getting more and more bizarre as time goes by.

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Okay, NOW it seems to be working again on my home computer! Here is what I had to do:

Deleted the original link that I had

Go to the Google New Archive List of Newspapers

Select the one that I had been using before (The Daily
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from Sumter, SC)

In the search box, I typed in "wrestling Abe Jacobs" as CHall used in his try.

It gave me the page he had with 877 results.

Still don't know it went all wonky on me!

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Fantasmagori wrote:
Not for me. Please let us know if you receive reply from Google.

Seems for me that if I try search from scratch, I have to start from google.co.uk, and no news results are found. google.com cannot be accessed from the UK, and I presume not from Denmark either. If I use one of the links above, I can search from within google.com, and I can get the newspaper archives to appear in the news results.

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http://texashistory.unt.edu/search/?fq=dc_type%3Atext_newspaper&sort=date_a&explore=True

Just found this site for small town Texas newspapers. Already finding Amarillo territory spot shows from the 1970s.

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Nice find Kriss.

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Ron wrote: Nice find Kriss.
I agree.

I also think Ron's sig is awesome.

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Oh I saved that post when mask wrote that. :)

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Every time Newspaper Archive upgrade their site, they fuck the whole thing up. If I try two searches in a row, it brings to a facebook log in screen and I have to log out and log in to get another search done. It was perfectly fine way it was.

Edit:

I'll admit, the pages load a lot faster now.

After logging in for a third time, it seems to be working okay now.

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Interesting article about FultonHistory

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/03/05/amateur-beats-gov-at-digitizing-newspape

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Has anyone been using Newspaper Archive recently? They continue to add thousands of new newspapers every day. I had presumed that their claims of this were BS, since very little new stuff ever appeared in searches. The browse new additions now works, and there are lots of new papers available.

Problem is that hardly any of it is indexed for searching. The Lubbock stuff I am adding at the moment, I;m having to search each newspaper. That's fine for weekly towns when you know the dates, but a bit trickier for researching spot shows.

I was having a look at Wichita Falls, TX which has just been added, and there are newspapers available for when the town was a weekly venue, but nothing appears when using search.

I had a chat with them on the help text chat and they weren't much help at all, said it all seemed to be working fine.

Funny that they now advertise "Hablamos Español" for their help facility. What they don't tell you is that they don't speak very good English.

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As far as the search results go, I haven't noticed any difference, either. Didn't even realize they added that many papers.

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Hisa wrote:
As far as the search results go, I haven't noticed any difference, either. Didn't even realize they added that many papers.

If you click on Browse > Newly Added Content you get everything added in the past 90 days, and it is definitely being updated regularly. I don't see any of it in searches, though, and some of it is only available in Java, trying to load the PDF crashes my browser.

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Kriss,

You're not imaging things.  I have the same issue with NA.  Searches don't work and browser crashes on PDFs

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I'm not subscribed to NA at the present time. I appreciate you guys that are.

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I signed up again because I had a prepaid gift card for the same amount as a 6-month subscription.  It's a great way to use those up, and if by some chance they failed to adhere to my desire to deactivate my account when the time's up, they can't get any more money from that card anyway.

In a few weeks after CAC I will probably have another run on Random Results when time allows.  

 

 

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Who here still has a NA sub. I was paying $29.95 every three months. I checked yesterday and found that they had upped this to $69.95 every three months without informing me. This is particularly shitty, seeing as they advertise $69.95 for six months now.

I emailed them about it, and they just cancelled my subscription. Funny, since there are a lot of online complaints about cancellation requests not being processed. This is the second time I've made a pricing inquiry, only to have my sub cancelled and the query not answered.

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I still have a subscription. Paying $120 for a full year. The price went up 50% two years ago, but since then, there have been no changes.

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Fantasmagori wrote:
I still have a subscription. Paying $120 for a full year. The price went up 50% two years ago, but since then, there have been no changes.

Not good value to pay $69.95 every three months, then. They don't offer a three month price any more, which might be where the price got screwed up. I'll probably re subscribe again in a few months.

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http://www.elephind.com/

I just found this website earlier today. I have found a few Canberra Australia clippings. I haven't checked it out enough yet to know what other newspapers are available.

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Kriss wrote:
Fantasmagori wrote:
I still have a subscription. Paying $120 for a full year. The price went up 50% two years ago, but since then, there have been no changes.

Not good value to pay $69.95 every three months, then. They don't offer a three month price any more, which might be where the price got screwed up. I'll probably re subscribe again in a few months.


My subscription is up. There is no longer an option to pay for a full year. Half a year costs $99.95, which is borderline outrageous. I'm seriously considering not resubbing.

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Has anyone ever used http://www.newspapers.com/? I've found a little trick you can use to get their articles (but not clippings) for free.

Do a Google search of:

"search query" site:newspapers.com

Click on a result, and scroll down to the "OCR text" box, and all the text from that page of the newspaper is available.

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Kriss wrote:
Has anyone ever used http://www.newspapers.com/? I've found a little trick you can use to get their articles (but not clippings) for free.

Do a Google search of:

"search query" site:newspapers.com

Click on a result, and scroll down to the "OCR text" box, and all the text from that page of the newspaper is available.


I have an account. Speed and search features are great, as is the clipping tool. The best part is the constant stream of new content though, even if most of it has appeared on other newspaper sites before.

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Fantasmagori wrote:
Kriss wrote:
Has anyone ever used http://www.newspapers.com/? I've found a little trick you can use to get their articles (but not clippings) for free.

Do a Google search of:

"search query" site:newspapers.com

Click on a result, and scroll down to the "OCR text" box, and all the text from that page of the newspaper is available.


I have an account. Speed and search features are great, as is the clipping tool. The best part is the constant stream of new content though, even if most of it has appeared on other newspaper sites before.


It seems to be the same stuff as Newspaper Archive. Is it a better service?

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It's cheaper, faster and fully searchable. No clue how the customer service is yet, but so far I'm liking it more than newspaperarchives.com which I found unwieldy most of the time.

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Fantasmagori wrote:
It's cheaper, faster and fully searchable. No clue how the customer service is yet, but so far I'm liking it more than newspaperarchives.com which I found unwieldy most of the time.

I just signed up for the 7-day trial. So far it's excellent. Seems to be the same newspapers as NA, but much faster and easier to use.

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If you have complete access to the website, I have some Waco Tx, Kansas City & Ottawa clippings posted on the "My Clippings" section. You may be able to access them.
I was saving them to post the material here, just haven't had the spare time from work. You're more than welcome to copy them if you can get to them.

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http://www.newspapers.com/ started an early Black Friday special today. $47.95 for a one year subscription.

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The Palm Beach Post and Miami News were deleted from the Google Newspaper Archive without warning last week. I know of people who were using them for research as late as the afternoon they were pulled, only to back that evening to find them gone. I have no idea of the reason. Cox Enterprises, the owner of the content, can't possibly believe that putting them behind some paywall will be a revenue producer. Anyway, they're gone which is too bad because there was information there hadn't been tapped yet.

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I just had a google hit for https://pbpost.newspapers.com so that is probably the answer. The fuckers at Newspapers.com are currently moving a lot of stuff in order to earn more money with premium collections or whatever you might want to call it. So you subscribe to NP and they say you get "unlimited access".Fuck that, it's nowadays more like "Didn't you always want to pay for LOC? Now you can with a basic subscription to Newspapers.com!"

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So it seems that Newspapers.com is now "just" trying to get you to subscribe to a premium section for $139.90/year

It's at least better than having to shell out close to 10 bucks for a single one of these papers a month.
https://www.newspapers.com/choose-a-plan/#included-with-extra

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Palm Beach Post 1916–2004
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indikator wrote: So it seems that Newspapers.com is now "just" trying to get you to subscribe to a premium section for $139.90/year

It's at least better than having to shell out close to 10 bucks for a single one of these papers a month.
https://www.newspapers.com/choose-a-plan/#included-with-extra

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Palm Beach Post 1916–2004
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It would be useful if that list included the towns.

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A couple of other newspaper sites not listed here are the Library of Congress's Chronicling America, which includes a lot of papers, but all before about 1925. So great for the really old stuff.

For pay, there is also GenealogyBank.com, which is a product of Newsbank.com, and cost something like $70 a year. It has almost a completely different set of newspapers from Newspapers.com.

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How is the usability of Genealogy Bank and what papers are there? I like the ability to tailor searches at NewspaperArchive.com although the site is quite buggy. Newspapers.com is very reliable from a technical standpoint, but its advanced search isn't advanced enough for my taste.

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Here is their full newspaper list:

http://www.genealogybank.com/newspapers/sourcelist/full/

In some cases, you will need to double check the "Years of Coverage", as saying they have 1903-1997 at the highest level may actually mean they have 1903-1904 and 1996-1997 for that title, but not all the years inclusive.

The interface is not as good as Newspapers.com, as it is not as easy to browse. The site is setup more around searching. For any given result, though, you can click a link to see all the pages from that issue, and then click through them. When using it for family research, I relied on the actual First Name/Last Name search options, but for wrestling I usually just enter a date range for the paper I want and enter something vague like "sports" in the "include these terms" box.
But in general, I love them as a resource, and have been a subscriber for years, initially for family research, but now mostly for wrestling.  I have found the site to be very reliable.  They do have their bad days, but those are rare.

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California Digital Newspaper Collection.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc

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Very comprehensive

http://www.theancestorhunt.com/newspaper-research-links.html

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indikator wrote: Very comprehensive

http://www.theancestorhunt.com/newspaper-research-links.html
Cool. Tough to look at on a phone but cool nonetheless.

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Quick question for the experts. Does anyone know how to get the OCR for all of the articles over at NewspaperArchive.com?

Reason I ask is I was doing some searching in the Amarillo territory on Noah Jones (of all people), and came across this one for the Pecos paper...

https://newspaperarchive.com/pecos-enterprise-sep-18-1978-p-6/

At the very bottom it has the OCR text, which is all I really care about. But other papers do not have that. Was this just dumb luck, or is there a way to get that across every paper. Lots of spot shows from Hereford that I'd like to get (yeah, too cheap to pay for subscription), and quite a few Del Rio cards that I can't find in Newspapers.com As always, thank you for your help!!!
Just a quick update, looks like some of the other papers have it, but not all.

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While you might question whether it's worth it, others outside of the wrestling sphere certainly have, I've spent at least $100 a year on various newspaper archives over the past 15 years of so. I don't really have any inclination to help someone who is "too cheap" to pay for it.

While any new research is always welcome, thorough research requires being able to access any newspaper, since not everything appears just with a simple search due to bad scans. OCR text is nonexistent or very bad with many of the newspapers which weren't scanned in hi-res, which has only been standard for the past 3 or 4 years.

Last edited on Thu Sep 19th, 2019 10:05 am by Kriss



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