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The playoffs don't start for a couple weeks but there are "virtual" playoff games in the mix this weekend.

San at St. Louis. NY Giants at Green Bay. Virtual "elimination games" where the loser has no way to come back and make the post-season if they lose. Indy at Oakland isn't quite the same (Colts would still be alive if they stub their toe) but the Raiders would fall to 7-8 with a loss.

In terms of the "Specials" this week we have (Thursday night) Carolina at Pittsburgh.
Dallas is in Arizona on Christmas night. The Sunday nighter was flexed to become Minnesota at Philly (San Diego at Cincy now a 4:00 EST game) New Orleans is in Atlanta on Monday night (BOY HOWDY)

Your picks, analysis, fantasy football strategies and comments as the games themselves unfold - all on the table.

Carolina at Pittsburgh (14.5)
Dallas (6.5) at Arizona
Detroit at Miami (3.5)
Washington at Jacksonville (7)
San Fran at St. Louis (2.5)
Seattle at Tampa Bay (6)
New England (8) at Buffalo
NY Jets at Chicago (1)
Baltimore (3.5) at Cleveland
Tennessee at Kansas City (5)
Indianapolis (3) at Oakland
Houston (3) at Denver
NY Giants at Green Bay (3)
San Diego (7.5) at Cincy
Minnesota at Philly (NL)
New Orleans at Atlanta (2.5)

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Giants beat Green Bay

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Carolina at Pittsburgh (14.5)- Pittsburgh
Dallas (6.5) at Arizona- Arizona
Detroit at Miami (3.5)- Detroit
Washington at Jacksonville (7)- Jacksonville
San Fran at St. Louis (2.5)- San Fran
Seattle at Tampa Bay (6)- Tampa
New England (8) at Buffalo- Buffalo
NY Jets at Chicago (1)- NYJ
Baltimore (3.5) at Cleveland- Balt
Tennessee at Kansas City (5)- Tenn
Indianapolis (3) at Oakland- Indy
Houston (3) at Denver- Houston
NY Giants at Green Bay (3)- NYG
San Diego (7.5) at Cincy- Cincy
Minnesota at Philly (NL)- Philly
New Orleans at Atlanta (2.5)- NO

All picks are to cover the spread

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Houston will find a way to lose to Tebow and the Broncos.

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cheapseats wrote: Houston will find a way to lose to Tebow and the Broncos.

I dunno Cheapseats now that the pressure is off and the Texans are out of it I suspect they'll start playing some tough hard-nosed football ;)

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I'm confident on the Steelers on Thursday night vs the Panthers.:)

The Colts look like they might be getting their act together despite injuries that would have made lesser teams give up and fold their tent long ago,they will win their division.

Stingy's "shtty Lions" will get the hat trick!!!:D

Da Bears will keep rolling.

Saints vs Falcons will be the game of the week.

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Carolina at Pittsburgh
Dallas  at Arizona
Detroit at Miami
Washington at Jacksonville
San Fran at St. Louis
Seattle at Tampa Bay
New England at Buffalo
NY Jets at Chicago
Baltimore at Cleveland
Tennessee at Kansas City
Indianapolis at Oakland
Houston at Denver
NY Giants at Green Bay
San Diego at Cincy
Minnesota at Philly
New Orleans at Atlanta

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This should be an exciting week for me as I've made both my fantasy football finals, which means I'm getting money either way!!! I could walk out with as much as $1,000 or as little as $420 between the two leagues, either way I'm a happy man!!!

To cap it off, the race is so tight this year, so many of these match ups are important, it should be a fun week of the fooz-ball. I'll be at the Browns/Ravens game so naturally I'd like to see the Brownies get one more win before the end of the season, but it's all good, either way I'll have a variety of drinks. :D

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Ripped off from another board.

Sunday Commentators:

CBS (Early Game)
Jets/Bears - Jim Nantz and Phil Simms
Ravens/Browns – Ian Eagle and Dan Fouts
Patriots/Bills- Kevin Harlan and Solomon Wilcots
Titans/Chiefs - Bill Macatee and Rich Gannon

CBS (Late Game)
Colts/Raiders – Greg Gumbel and Dan Dierdorf
Chargers/Bengals – Gus Johnson and Steve Tasker
Texans/Broncos – Don Criqui and Steve Beuerlein

Fox (Early Game)
49ers/Rams – Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa
Lions/Dolphins – Dick Stockton and Charles Davis
Redskins/Jaguars – Sam Rosen and Tim Ryan

Fox (Late Game)
Giants/Packers – Joe Buck and Troy Aikman
Seahawks/Buccaneers – Thom Brennaman and Brian Billick

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An interesting week how wild would it be if the Raiders got past the Colts?

Just throwing it out there that they could really "upset the apple cart" in the AFC

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beejmi wrote:
cheapseats wrote: Houston will find a way to lose to Tebow and the Broncos.

I dunno Cheapseats now that the pressure is off and the Texans are out of it I suspect they'll start playing some tough hard-nosed football ;)
Are you telling me that Bill Cowher will be special guest coach for the Texans the last two weeks of the season? :D

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A few observations about tonights game:

Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.

Jonathan Stewart is a great back with a shitty line. This team just doesn't care overall.

Why do they not involve Steve Smith at all? He's only your team's best player, nothing more!

Pittsburgh blew a ton of scoring opps because Big Ben is going to get killed back there holding the ball too long. At some point, he's going to have to learn to throw it away. I actually agreed with Theismann tonight, which surprised me.

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Why do they not involve Steve Smith at all? He's only your team's best player, nothing more!



You actually answered your own question a few paragraphs prior:



Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.

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sek69 wrote:

Why do they not involve Steve Smith at all? He's only your team's best player, nothing more!



You actually answered your own question a few paragraphs prior:



Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.



Point taken, but they should still target him.

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EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP)—Leslie Frazier counted Brett Favre out once before. He’s not about to do it again.

The Minnesota Vikings coach says Favre will be listed as doubtful with a concussion, leaving the door open for the 41-year-old quarterback to play against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday night.

A week ago, the Vikings listed Favre as “out” for the game against Chicago with a sprained right shoulder. He was surprisingly upgraded to questionable the day of the game and ended up starting against the Bears, a development that didn’t sit well with Chicago coach Lovie Smith.

Favre was knocked out of that game in the second quarter after being sacked by Corey Wootton.

If Favre cannot play, rookie Joe Webb will make his first career start.

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HBF wrote: A few observations about tonights game:

Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.

 According to that dingbat CC Milani , "Clausen  was the best QB available  and should/will be the first pick in the draft".

whatever happen to him? Love his foolish comments.

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Benlen wrote: HBF wrote: A few observations about tonights game:

Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.

 According to that dingbat CC Milani , "Clausen  was the best QB available  and should/will be the first pick in the draft".

whatever happen to him? Love his foolish comments.

He's back on WC.

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Benlen wrote: HBF wrote: A few observations about tonights game:

Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.

 According to that dingbat CC Milani , "Clausen  was the best QB available  and should/will be the first pick in the draft".

whatever happen to him? Love his foolish comments.

Yeah sure, don't worry a yr from now the same comments will be said about Luck, predicting qb's is the hardest thing to do because every qb has the same tools as one another it is the intangible's that make a qb succeed at the highest level

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I think the NFL is going to wait until this weekends games are over (Minnesota's last national TV appearance) and then with that out of the way they'll discipline Favre over the "sexting" thing

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SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP)—The San Francisco 49ers are going back to Troy Smith as their starting quarterback while leaving open the possibility they might switch to Alex Smith at any time.

Coach Mike Singletary said Thursday that Troy Smith will start Sunday’s pivotal NFC West game against the St. Louis Rams in place of Alex Smith, who started San Francisco’s last two games.

The coach also said he wouldn’t hesitate to change quarterbacks during the game if the situation calls for it.

“We could possibly use them both,” Singletary said. “The game will dictate it. Even though Troy is going to be the starter, we’re making sure that the game plan is such that we can possibly use both their strengths in this game.”

The 49ers have now changed quarterbacks after each of their last two defeats in an attempt to salvage a losing season. At 5-9, San Francisco still has an opportunity to capture the NFC West title and end a seven-year playoff drought by winning its final two games against St. Louis and Arizona.

Troy Smith, who didn’t join the 49ers until Sept. 6, has remained focused throughout the week on his second chance as San Francisco’s starter. Troy Smith went 3-2 in his five games as a starter earlier this season after taking over for Alex Smith in late October. Troy Smith had a career-high 356 yards passing to lead the 49ers to a 23-20 overtime victory against St. Louis on Nov. 14.

“This is huge for me,” Troy Smith said. “For any player to be able to play in a game of this magnitude, be a part of something special, it’s going to be pretty big for all of us. The knick-knacks and the other little things that are going on around us, we’re definitely channeling that out and worrying about winning this game.”

The 49ers went back to Alex Smith two weeks ago after Troy Smith completed just 10 of 25 passes during a 34-16 loss at Green Bay. Alex Smith had statistically the best game of his career the next week during a 40-21 victory over Seattle, but he and the San Francisco offense could muster only 192 total yards during last week’s 34-7 loss at San Diego.

Alex Smith began this season 1-6 as San Francisco’s starter before separating his left shoulder during a Week 7 loss at Carolina. Selected by the 49ers with the No. 1 overall pick of the 2005 NFL draft, Alex Smith is 18-31 as the team’s starter.

The 49ers have become accustomed this season to change within their offensive unit.

“We’ve been through everything you can go through as an offense really,” wide receiver Michael Crabtree said. “It’s difficult, but you just have to take what they give you and keep going. I’m just trying to stay positive about the whole situation and be ready to play this game Sunday.”

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How bout dem Cowboys?

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Benlen wrote: HBF wrote: A few observations about tonights game:

Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.

 According to that dingbat CC Milani , "Clausen  was the best QB available  and should/will be the first pick in the draft".

whatever happen to him? Love his foolish comments.


Pretty sure he stomped out of here in a huff when he was unmasked as a BAD TARDER.

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sek69 wrote: Benlen wrote: HBF wrote: A few observations about tonights game:

Jimmy Clausen is awful, even for a rookie QB on a horrible team. He cannot make simple reads to get a first down on 3rd and 3 when the D-backs are playing 7 yards OFF the receiver. QB's in college can do that. They'd best take a QB next draft.

 According to that dingbat CC Milani , "Clausen  was the best QB available  and should/will be the first pick in the draft".

whatever happen to him? Love his foolish comments.


Pretty sure he stomped out of here in a huff when he was unmasked as a BAD TARDER.

Yep. When he was outed as JRM, he left.

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Cutler's sugar imbalance coming into play in the form of a pick six

14-10 Jets

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Chiefs stomping all over the Titans 31-7 at the half.

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I believe that win will slam the door shut on the Raiders (and KC plays them next week)

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Rams up 22-14. Singletary just did a QB switch bringing in the infamous Alex Smith.

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Rams win 25-17 and we're finally out of ways for the 49ers to be mathematically alive

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Rams win 25-17 and we're finally out of ways for the 49ers to be mathematically alive


Assuming Seattle loses today, if they beat the Rams next week then you'll have the first 7-9 team in the playoffs.

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Packers up 7-0

Giants fans on suicide watch

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beejmi wrote: Cutler's sugar imbalance coming into play in the form of a pick six

14-10 Jets

Yeah but Good Cutler came to play in the 2nd half. Bears win 38-34!!

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Thank You 'Skins!!!

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Eli picked off now. Not good. He's dependable for an INT every week now.

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It looks like Bad Eli has come to play today. Go Packers!! Yes I'm rooting for the Pack because of tie breaking possibilities. 

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Eli's miscue turns into points. 14-0 Packers.

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I want the Packers to win also. Want no part of the Giants a third time around.

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How about my shitty Lions folks? 3 in a row baby!!!!

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Giants tie the Packrs using the longball

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Bengals up 13-3 on the supa-Chargers and that would be fatal for T-bolt's boys

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beejmi wrote: Giants tie the Packrs using the longball
 

Packers take the lead 21-14 at half. Eli rebounded just like Cutler did.

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Pack up 31-17 and the G-man dodged another turnover "bullet".

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And fumble it back to Green Bay a minute later

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beejmi wrote: Rams up 22-14. Singletary just did a QB switch bringing in the infamous Alex Smith.


Singletary and Alex Smith . Dumb and Dumber.

Didn't agree with the switch. The score was 15-14 Rams. Troy Smith drives them into FG range and Jeff Reed misses a 34 yd FG. Rams drive for a TD. Then Singletary makes a change.

Goodbye dumb and dumber.

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NFL.com saying the team (SF) will hire a GM and ultimately a new head coach. Sounds to me like Singletary is as good as gone.

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Bengals up 27-13 and just stopped San Diego on 4th down with five minutes left

*BONG* for the 2010 San Diego Chargers

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cheapseats wrote: Houston will find a way to lose to Tebow and the Broncos.
Blew a 17-0 lead at the half now trailing 24-23

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LOL! at that run by Peyton to seal the deal.  One more game baby!

Love it that the Bengals handed the Chargers their asses and end their post season hopes.

Giants shit the bed again...


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The resturant owner who bought the final 7,000 Bills tickets for today may want to ask for a refund. An embarassing run for the bus effort. Ryan Fitzpatrick put on a great advertisement for drafting a QB.

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My packers with a big win! All or nothing next week against the Bears.

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ivpvideos wrote: My packers with a big win! All or nothing next week against the Bears.Thats going to be one hell of game if Philly wins on Tuesday.  If not, I see GB winning easily as the Bears will have clinched the #2 seed with a Philly loss, and will rest the starters probably in the second half

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beejmi wrote: NFL.com saying the team (SF) will hire a GM and ultimately a new head coach. Sounds to me like Singletary is as good as gone.

Rumors around here is that Singletary may not finish the season. Can't see that happening with only one game remaining.

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Benlen wrote:
beejmi wrote: NFL.com saying the team (SF) will hire a GM and ultimately a new head coach. Sounds to me like Singletary is as good as gone.

Rumors around here is that Singletary may not finish the season. Can't see that happening with only one game remaining.


Troy Smith is fucking awful. Even Alex Smith made him look bad, and you know that's saying something.

Of course, the Giants looked like absolute horseshit and I am of the opinion that it's not the players, but coaching. Not sure who they need, but Coughlin is not working.

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ivpvideos wrote:
My packers with a big win! All or nothing next week against the Bears.

You guys looked like gold against us today, and I think the Bears suck donkey dick. Strange the way the season progresses.

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HBF wrote: Of course, the Giants looked like absolute horseshit and I am of the opinion that it's not the players, but coaching. Not sure who they need, but Coughlin is not working.
You get what you are asking for when you hire 2 of the worst Bills coordinators from the last decade (Gilbride and Fewell). I told you that Fewell would show his colors eventually.

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Benlen wrote: beejmi wrote: NFL.com saying the team (SF) will hire a GM and ultimately a new head coach. Sounds to me like Singletary is as good as gone.

Rumors around here is that Singletary may not finish the season. Can't see that happening with only one game remaining.

 Now all the talk around here is that Singletary is gone this week.

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HBF wrote: ivpvideos wrote:
My packers with a big win! All or nothing next week against the Bears.

You guys looked like gold against us today, and I think the Bears suck donkey dick. Strange the way the season progresses.

The Bears are the luckiest team in the NFL this season.

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Benlen wrote: Benlen wrote: beejmi wrote: NFL.com saying the team (SF) will hire a GM and ultimately a new head coach. Sounds to me like Singletary is as good as gone.

Rumors around here is that Singletary may not finish the season. Can't see that happening with only one game remaining.

 Now all the talk around here is that Singletary is gone this week.

News report says Mike Singletary was fired as coach of Niners

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beejmi wrote:
cheapseats wrote: Houston will find a way to lose to Tebow and the Broncos.
Blew a 17-0 lead at the half now trailing 24-23
With Matt Schaub throwing a pick in the final minutes to seal the deal...dammit to hell. Third straight game he's done that shit.

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Someone break up the Lions, 3 wins in a row!

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sek69 wrote: Someone break up the Lions, 3 wins in a row!

Detroit beating the Fins might cost the Miami coach his job. Norv Turner has to be on the hot seat as well.

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I always thought that Sporano (Dolphins coach) was buddies with Parcells. He got the job out of nowhere and that was the explanation (Parcells disciple)

I'd be surprised if Norv Turner was back. Is this the third straight year where they were banking on a late season hot streak to get in?

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HBF wrote: Of course, the Giants looked like absolute horseshit and I am of the opinion that it's not the players, but coaching. Not sure who they need, but Coughlin is not working.
You get what you are asking for when you hire 2 of the worst Bills coordinators from the last decade (Gilbride and Fewell). I told you that Fewell would show his colors eventually.


It's really more on Coughlin at this point, as they continually collapse except for one magical 5 week run in 2007-08.

Hakeem Nicks, while very talented, is a retard who is never in the right spot and is the reason that Eli has thrown at least 10 of his interceptions.

Eli needs to stop the dumb "Favre-like" throws as well.

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clawmaster wrote: HBF wrote: ivpvideos wrote:
My packers with a big win! All or nothing next week against the Bears.

You guys looked like gold against us today, and I think the Bears suck donkey dick. Strange the way the season progresses.

The Bears are the luckiest team in the NFL this season.
This is just like the 2005 season when they reached the Superbowl

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There were two things that happened in 2005 with the Bears.

First - a great start with gave them home playoff games. Even after the team began to slip and teams had began to figure them out you still had to go to Chicago and win.

Secondly - a down year for the NFC. And this is what I think makes the Bears "one and done".

Not a down year this year for the NFC. I don't think they beat Green Bay in a "Loser Goes Home" type game. Nor do they win in a rematch vs Philly. I don't think they match up well vs the Saints this time around and I can't see them winning a playoff game in Atlanta.

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beejmi wrote: There were two things that happened in 2005 with the Bears.

First - a great start with gave them home playoff games. Even after the team began to slip and teams had began to figure them out you still had to go to Chicago and win.

Secondly - a down year for the NFC. And this is what I think makes the Bears "one and done".

Not a down year this year for the NFC. I don't think they beat Green Bay in a "Loser Goes Home" type game. Nor do they win in a rematch vs Philly. I don't think they match up well vs the Saints this time around and I can't see them winning a playoff game in Atlanta.

I believe Da Bears are one and done also. They would need to be extremely lucky to win a playoff game.

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clawmaster wrote:
beejmi wrote: There were two things that happened in 2005 with the Bears.

First - a great start with gave them home playoff games. Even after the team began to slip and teams had began to figure them out you still had to go to Chicago and win.

Secondly - a down year for the NFC. And this is what I think makes the Bears "one and done".

Not a down year this year for the NFC. I don't think they beat Green Bay in a "Loser Goes Home" type game. Nor do they win in a rematch vs Philly. I don't think they match up well vs the Saints this time around and I can't see them winning a playoff game in Atlanta.

I believe Da Bears are one and done also. They would need to be extremely lucky to win a playoff game.

I don't know about that...the NFC is totally wide open this season. My immediate thought goes to Philly being the strongest NFC team, but remember, the Bears embarrassed the Eagles earlier in the season. I still haven't completely bought into the Falcons, but they're winning consistently. And the Saints (assuming they make the playoffs) are very beatable.

As frustrating as the Bears have been this season, they're probably the 3rd or 4th best team representing the NFC right now. Depending on the 1st round matchups (esp. if they get the NFC West draw), I could definitely see them winning a game or two.

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Atlanta is due to have the luck end also.  Several times they got lucky to win against teams they should have beaten easily

I don't think it really matters in the NFC at all this year, there is not an NFC team that can beat the top 2 seeds in the AFC

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mike3775 wrote: Atlanta is due to have the luck end also.  Several times they got lucky to win against teams they should have beaten easily

I don't think it really matters in the NFC at all this year, there is not an NFC team that can beat the top 2 seeds in the AFC

The Saints have already beaten one of those top seeds when they beat the Steelers.

And the Steelers are really inconsistent...you never know which team is going to show up for them. 

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sek69 wrote: Someone break up the Lions, 3 wins in a row!

LOL, Yeah really. Fire Schwartz........:tongue: Nice to see them playing better.

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stingmark wrote: sek69 wrote: Someone break up the Lions, 3 wins in a row!

LOL, Yeah really. Fire Schwartz........:tongue: Nice to see them playing better.

The Lions are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Yes The Lions have gotten better this year. But Matthew Stafford remains a huge question mark. He has the ability to be a very good NFL QB. But he keeps getting injured. The Lions winning these games late in the season is screwing up their draft position which is very important if they don't believe in the long term health of Stafford.  

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clawmaster wrote: stingmark wrote: sek69 wrote: Someone break up the Lions, 3 wins in a row!

LOL, Yeah really. Fire Schwartz........:tongue: Nice to see them playing better.

The Lions are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Yes The Lions have gotten better this year. But Matthew Stafford remains a huge question mark. He has the ability to be a very good NFL QB. But he keeps getting injured. The Lions winning these games late in the season is screwing up their draft position which is very important if they don't believe in the long term health of Stafford.  

Stanton and Hill know something Stafford has yet to figure out, you see that monster named Calvin Johnson, get that boy the ball,

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The Lions need to spend at least 2-3 draft picks on some o-linemen in order to keep whoever QB they play from getting killed. Those tend to be there later in the draft so winning some games won't cost them too much.

With their d-line it could be time to upgrade them from stingy's "shitty Lions" to a mediocre team.



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