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seeds for the 2011 tourney. first rough draft.

1 Led Zeppelin
1 Rolling Stones
1 The Beatles
1 The Who

2 The Eagles
2 Jimi Hendrix Experience
2 Bob Seger
2 Guns N Roses

3 Pink Floyd
3 Lynyrd Skynyrd
3 The Clash
3 U2

4 Fleetwood Mac
4 Van Halen
4 Metallica
4 Black Sabbath

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I still have the 5 to 16 seeds to do. Need help with that.

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The Doors
Motorhead
R.E.M.
Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
CSN&Y
The Kinks

Don't put in Maroon 5.

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In no particular order, some not listed that deserve consideration:

Queen
Nirvana
The Ramones
The Doors
AC/DC
REM
Aerosmith
Dave Clark Five
The Animals
Grateful Dead
Jefferson Airplane
Cream
ZZ Top
Allman Brothers Band
The Kinks
Steve Miller Band
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
The Stooges

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Rush
Def Leppard
Guess Who
Supertramp (IIRC they didnt make the cut last time? Blasphemy!!)
Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen
Triumph

 

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KISS

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not easy to do but add

Deep Purple

if singles are in then

Neil Young

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of those not listed in other posts

Blue Oyster Cult

Chuck berry

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

Velvet Underground/Lou Reed

Deep Purple

Soundgarden

Yardbirds

Pearl Jam

Alice Cooper

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carlton st wrote:
Neil Young



We'll add Crazy Horse as the backup band.

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For sure in the tourney

The Doors
Motorhead
R.E.M.
4 Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
The Kinks
Queen
8 Nirvana
The Ramones
AC/DC
Aerosmith
12 The Animals
Grateful Dead
Jefferson Airplane
Cream
16 ZZ Top
Allman Brothers Band
Steve Miller Band
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
20 Rush
Def Leppard
Guess Who
Supertramp
24 Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Kiss
Deep Purple
28 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Blue Oyster Cult
Chuck Berry
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
32 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
Pearl Jam
Alice Cooper

We need 48.

Need to be convinced
Dave Clark Five
The Stooges- a personal fave but ...
Triumph
Soundgarden
Yardbirds- Great members as individuals but as a band?

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love Triumph but don't know that they belong, Emmett if we were doing guitar players', above those last few since it is a broad 'R&R'

Yes
Genesis

Rainbow would warrant consideration, one of my faves
Whitesnake
UFO


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Ozzy deserves his own place too even as Ozzy & Blizzard Of Oz

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clawmaster wrote: For sure in the tourney

The Doors
Motorhead
R.E.M.
4 Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
The Kinks
Queen
8 Nirvana
The Ramones
AC/DC
Aerosmith
12 The Animals
Grateful Dead
Jefferson Airplane
Cream
16 ZZ Top
Allman Brothers Band
Steve Miller Band
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
20 Rush
Def Leppard
Guess Who
Supertramp
24 Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Kiss
Deep Purple
28 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Blue Oyster Cult
Chuck Berry
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
32 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
Pearl Jam
Alice Cooper

We need 48.

Need to be convinced
Dave Clark Five
The Stooges- a personal fave but ...
Triumph
Soundgarden
Yardbirds- Great members as individuals but as a band?


You've got the Grateful Dead listed twice.

As far as the "needs to be convinced" list, I would argue for Soundgarden and The Stooges. 

I argue for both because they were both so original and ahead of their time.  Plus, unlike a bank like, say, Triumph, their music is still very listenable today and doesn't seem dated at all.  For extra bonus cred, both bands had crossover appeal as witnessed by Chris Cornell in "Singles" and The Stooges obsession shared by most of the main characters in "Trainspotting".

That's my take.

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Some others to consider:

Bee Gees
Guns & Roses
Boston
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Bon Jovi
Foreigner
Jethro Tull
Journey
Judas Priest

Apologies if any of these have been mentioned and discounted as possibilities or if some of them are so fully you giggle uncontrollably and injure yourself.

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clawmaster wrote: Need to be convinced
Dave Clark Five
The Stooges- a personal fave but ...

The Dave Clark Five were the second band of the British Invasion to hit America and had 9 Top 10 hits, including knocking The Beatles out of the top spot when they first hit.  They were inducted into the R'n'R HOF a few years back.

I don't know a  whole lot about The Stooges but mentioned them because they're widely considered one of the most influential punk bands of all-time and it would be nice to have some diversity instead of a lot of bands that sound the same.

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Beachboys maybe. Not a big fan, just throwing the name out for consideration. 

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Are you going with just strictly what would would be considered Rock? Or can heavier Metal bands be in as well?

Slayer

Iron Maiden

Judas Priest

I would also put in Motley Crue and Poison if it's just Rock.

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carlton st wrote: Yes
Genesis
Rainbow
UFO


I would agree with these 4.

Also Foreigner and Journey as AA mentioned.

Ozzy has had a fantastic solo career....would he be automatically associated with Sabbath negating a solo entry in the tourney?

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carlton st wrote: love Triumph but don't know that they belong, Emmett if we were doing guitar players', above those last few since it is a broad 'R&R'

Yes
Genesis

Rainbow would warrant consideration, one of my faves
Whitesnake
UFO



Yes and Genesis added. The others are being considered.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: clawmaster wrote: For sure in the tourney

The Doors
Motorhead
R.E.M.
4 Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
The Kinks
Queen
8 Nirvana
The Ramones
AC/DC
Aerosmith
12 The Animals
Grateful Dead
Jefferson Airplane
Cream
16 ZZ Top
Allman Brothers Band
Steve Miller Band
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
20 Rush
Def Leppard
Guess Who
Supertramp
24 Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Kiss
Deep Purple
28 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Blue Oyster Cult
Chuck Berry
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
32 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
Pearl Jam
Alice Cooper

We need 48.

Need to be convinced
Dave Clark Five
The Stooges- a personal fave but ...
Triumph
Soundgarden
Yardbirds- Great members as individuals but as a band?


You've got the Grateful Dead listed twice.

As far as the "needs to be convinced" list, I would argue for Soundgarden and The Stooges. 

I argue for both because they were both so original and ahead of their time.  Plus, unlike a bank like, say, Triumph, their music is still very listenable today and doesn't seem dated at all.  For extra bonus cred, both bands had crossover appeal as witnessed by Chris Cornell in "Singles" and The Stooges obsession shared by most of the main characters in "Trainspotting".

That's my take.

Fixed the Dead thing in my file. I originally had Cream listed twice too but caught that one before anybody saw it. As a Mod, I have the option of editing a post without anyone seeing it. In other words, no "Edited by so and so" line.

Good argument for The Stooges. Maybe someone else will offer them support.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Some others to consider:

Boston
Foreigner
Jethro Tull

Apologies if any of these have been mentioned and discounted as possibilities or if some of them are so fully you giggle uncontrollably and injure yourself.

These three make the cut. Others are being considered.

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lobo316 wrote: Beachboys maybe. Not a big fan, just throwing the name out for consideration.
Yep. Added them.

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BruiserBrodyMania wrote: Are you going with just strictly what would would be considered Rock? Or can heavier Metal bands be in as well?

Slayer

Iron Maiden

Judas Priest

I would also put in Motley Crue and Poison if it's just Rock.

Rock and Roll is many things including Heavy Metal and Acid Rock. Judas Priest has been added.

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the squared circle wrote: carlton st wrote: Yes
Genesis
Rainbow
UFO


I would agree with these 4.

Also Foreigner and Journey as AA mentioned.

Ozzy has had a fantastic solo career....would he be automatically associated with Sabbath negating a solo entry in the tourney?
 

Rainbow, UFO and Journey added.

Neil Young is in twice with CSN and with Crazy Horse. I'm still considering Ozzy.

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These bands as of now are in the tournament.

The Doors
Motorhead
R.E.M.
4 Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
The Kinks
Queen
8 Nirvana
The Ramones
AC/DC
Aerosmith
12 The Animals
Genesis
Jefferson Airplane
Cream
16 ZZ Top
Allman Brothers Band
Steve Miller Band
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
20 Rush
Def Leppard
Guess Who
Supertramp
24 Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Kiss
Deep Purple
28 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Blue Oyster Cult
Chuck Berry
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
32 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
Pearl Jam
Alice Cooper
Yes
36 Boston
Foreigner
Jethro Tull
Beach Boys
40 Judas Priest
Journey
UFO
Rainbow

The to be considered file is large with Bon Jovi, Soundgarden, The Stooges, Dave Clark Five and Ozzy leading the pack.

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Leading the pack reminded me of the song Running With The Pack by Bad Company. Bad Company is in for sure. Queen is also in the tourney.

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What about Sammy Hagar? I know he could go in under Van Halen but there were the Montrose years plus all his solo work.

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So now we are up to 45. Still three spots remaining. Once we reach 48, bands can still be nominated and argued for but you will also have to subtracy a band from the list.

The Doors
Motorhead
R.E.M.
4 Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
The Kinks
Queen
8 Nirvana
The Ramones
AC/DC
Aerosmith
12 The Animals
Genesis
Jefferson Airplane
Cream
16 ZZ Top
Allman Brothers Band
Steve Miller Band
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
20 Rush
Def Leppard
Guess Who
Supertramp
24 Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Kiss
Deep Purple
28 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Blue Oyster Cult
Chuck Berry
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
32 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
Pearl Jam
Alice Cooper
Yes
36 Boston
Foreigner
Jethro Tull
Beach Boys
40 Judas Priest
Journey
UFO
Rainbow
44 Bad Company
Traffic
Bon Jovi
Red Hot Chili Peppers
48 Yardbirds

Edit: Queen twice now Queen once. Trfiic, Bon Jovi, Red Hot Cili Peppers and Yardbirds have been added.

Last edited on Thu Mar 31st, 2011 04:26 pm by clawmaster

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cheapseats wrote: What about Sammy Hagar? I know he could go in under Van Halen but there were the Montrose years plus all his solo work.
Interesting choice. I saw Sammy Hagar at Farm Aid I so I'm very familiar with his stuff. Sammy and his band played a bunch of their "hits" then Sammy invited Eddie Van Halen on stage. Sammy and Eddie did two cover songs and then left the stage. A few months later Sammy Hagar was announced as the new lead singer of Van Halen.

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You can't have Hagar in, and omit Ozzy.

Claw, you now have Queen twice

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I'll second the Stooges and Motley Crue.

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I'll toss a second for Bon Jovi as well.

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I second Motley Crue, Poison, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

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One band I don't think I have seen is Social Distortion... Mike Ness and a slew of others have been playing for over 30 years, and are still relevant today with a new album and a great single put out this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsVSkqJS5YU

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stone2k wrote:
I second Motley Crue, Poison, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Can't believe I forgot RHCP. They should be a high seed, for Pete's sake.

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Yardbirds are the predecsors of Blues rock.  Besides the obvious starting point for guys like Eric Clapton, Jimmy Paige and Jeff Beck, they were a huge influence on bands like Led Zeppelin, The Who, and even Traffic.  Speaking of Traffic they deserve a shot as well.

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It now looks like

1 Led Zeppelin
1 Rolling Stones
1 The Beatles
1 The Who

2 The Eagles
2 Jimi Hendrix Experience
2 Bob Seger
2 Guns N Roses

3 Pink Floyd
3 Lynyrd Skynyrd
3 The Clash
3 U2

4 Fleetwood Mac
4 Van Halen
4 Metallica
4 Black Sabbath

The Doors
Motorhead
R.E.M.
4 Grateful Dead
Credence Clearwater Revival
The Kinks
Queen
8 Nirvana
The Ramones
AC/DC
Aerosmith
12 The Animals
Genesis
Jefferson Airplane
Cream
16 ZZ Top
Allman Brothers Band
Steve Miller Band
Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
20 Rush
Def Leppard
Guess Who
Supertramp
24 Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Kiss
Deep Purple
28 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Blue Oyster Cult
Santana
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
32 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
Pearl Jam
Alice Cooper
Yes
36 Boston
Foreigner
Jethro Tull
Beach Boys
40 Judas Priest
Journey
UFO
Rainbow
44 Bad Company
Traffic
Bon Jovi
Red Hot Chili Peppers
48 Yardbirds

Edit: Santana in for Chuck Berry.

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Tournament will start April 12 with 16 bouts. The Tuesday to Friday deal again. I only will vote in the case of a tie.

If you want to add a band, make your case for adding that band and subtracting another band.

Complete seedings will be up Friday night. I'll be out of town for the Kenny Jay benefit in suburban Minneapolis Saturday. Away from a computer from early AM Saturday to probably Sunday evening. I'll start working on the seedings today. Let you guys know which bands are on the bubble before I take off for the benefit.

Even when "complete" seedings are up, you guys can still make cases for adding and subtracting bands. Hence the "on the bubble" bands. 

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BayouBoogie wrote: Santana
I agree. Now subtract a band.

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For your consideration:

Iron Maiden
Blondie
Steppenwolf
T-Rex
Alice in Chains
Dire Straits
Meat Loaf
Bachman Turner Overdrive

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These are the bands I believe do not compare at all with the other bands on the list and have no shot at all, and seem to be mostly bracket fillers... IMO,the only way they even win a first round matchup is if they are paired against each other and someone has to win.




The Animals
Genesis
Jefferson Airplane
Steve Miller Band
Guess Who
Supertramp
Steely Dan
Blue Oyster Cult
Yes
Boston
Foreigner
Jethro Tull
Journey
UFO

I'd swap Motley Crue for any of them

I'd swap Social Distortion for any of them

(I'd also think AC-DC, Queen, and Aerosmith should be seeded in top four... maybe for the Clash, U2, Pink Floyd or Bob Seager)

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Kriss wrote:
For your consideration:

Iron Maiden
Blondie
Steppenwolf
T-Rex
Alice in Chains
Dire Straits
Meat Loaf
Bachman Turner Overdrive


I second Blondie, Maiden, and Alice in Chains for any from my list above.

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Possibly a side discussion, but Nirvana are hard to classify as "best of all time". No doubt they defined or re-defined rock music in the early 90s and are still one of my all-time favorites, but their music did not stand the test of time for want of a better phrase.

I have younger friends and colleagues who do not remember as far back back as Nirvana breaking on the scene, and none of them rate Nirvana in the same way I would rate Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, early Queen etc. "Nevermind" was voted the most overrated album of all time a few years ago on our top music radio station.

Interested to hear how Nirvana are thought of in the US by people in their early 20s or younger.

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clawmaster wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Santana
I agree. Now subtract a band.
 

Since nobody has stepped up, I'll do it myself. Santana in. Chuck Berry Out.

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stone2k wrote: (I'd also think AC-DC, Queen, and Aerosmith should be seeded in top four... maybe for the Clash, U2, Pink Floyd or Bob Seager)
The seedings already done are based on last year's tournament. You weren't here then. If you want to take a look at the tourney from last year, it starts on page 12 of this forum.

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clawmaster wrote:
stone2k wrote: (I'd also think AC-DC, Queen, and Aerosmith should be seeded in top four... maybe for the Clash, U2, Pink Floyd or Bob Seager)
The seedings already done are based on last year's tournament. You weren't here then. If you want to take a look at the tourney from last year, it starts on page 12 of this forum.


Oh, gotcha.

I will check that out later after I wake up tonight... it could help me by seeing which bands bombed last year in convincing others to help put my suggestions/seconds in the field.

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Stairway to Heaven Bracket
1 Led Zeppelin
2 Jimi Hendrix Experience
3 Pink Floyd
4 Fleetwood Mac
5 Kiss
6 Queen
7 Santana
8 CCR
9 Rush
10 Bad Company
11 Supertramp
12 Boston
13 Foreigner
14 Journey
15 Traffic
16 Steve Miller Band

Satisfaction Bracket
1 Rolling Stones
2 The Eagles
3 Lynyrd Skynyrd
4 Van Halen
5 The Doors
6 Allman Brothers Band
7 Deep Purple
8 The Kinks
9 Beach Boys
10 Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
11 Jethro Tull
12 Genesis
13 UFO
14 Bon Jovi
15 Motorhead
16 The Animals

Hey Jude Bracket
1 The Beatles
2 Bob Seger
3 The Clash
4 Metallica
5 AC/DC
6 Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
7 R.E.M.
8 Nirvana
9 Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
10 The Ramones
11 Steely Dan
12 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
13 Blue Oyster Cult
14 Jefferson Airplane
15 Rainbow
16 Judas Priest

Won't Get Fooled Again bracket
1 The Who
2 Guns N Roses
3 U2
4 Black Sabbath
5 Aerosmith
6 ZZ Top
7 Grateful Dead
8 Cream
9 Alice Cooper
10 Pearl Jam
11 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
12 Yes
13 Def Leppard
14 Red Hot Chili Peppers
15 Guess Who
16 Yardbirds

Any bands seeded from 13 to 16 are on the bubble bands. That means I've really not sold on them. As always, I'll listen to what everyone has to say and will make changes. I did these seedings rather quickly and other than the top 4 seeds in each bracket, my personal taste is reflected. Your mileage may vary.

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clawmaster wrote: Stairway to Heaven Bracket
1 Led Zeppelin
2 Jimi Hendrix Experience
3 Pink Floyd
4 Fleetwood Mac
5 Kiss
6 Queen
7 Santana
8 CCR
9 Rush
10 Bad Company
11 Supertramp
12 Boston
13 Foreigner
14 Journey
15 Traffic
16 Steve Miller Band

Satisfaction Bracket
1 Rolling Stones
2 The Eagles
3 Lynyrd Skynyrd
4 Van Halen
5 The Doors
6 Allman Brothers Band
7 Deep Purple
8 The Kinks
9 Beach Boys
10 Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
11 Jethro Tull
12 Genesis
13 UFO
14 Bon Jovi
15 Motorhead
16 The Animals

Hey Jude Bracket
1 The Beatles
2 Bob Seger
3 The Clash
4 Metallica
5 AC/DC
6 Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
7 R.E.M.
8 Nirvana
9 Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
10 The Ramones
11 Steely Dan
12 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
13 Blue Oyster Cult
14 Jefferson Airplane
15 Rainbow
16 Judas Priest

Won't Get Fooled Again bracket
1 The Who
2 Guns N Roses
3 U2
4 Black Sabbath
5 Aerosmith
6 ZZ Top
7 Grateful Dead
8 Cream
9 Alice Cooper
10 Pearl Jam
11 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
12 Yes
13 Def Leppard
14 Red Hot Chili Peppers
15 Guess Who
16 Yardbirds

Any bands seeded from 13 to 16 are on the bubble bands. That means I've really not sold on them. As always, I'll listen to what everyone has to say and will make changes. I did these seedings rather quickly and other than the top 4 seeds in each bracket, my personal taste is reflected. Your mileage may vary.


My take...

Overseeded:  Bad Company, Supertramp, Genesis, Yes

Underseeded:  Motorhead, Judas Priest, Journey, Red Hot Chili Peppers

Should be Out:  Traffic, Foreigner, Rainbow, Guess Who

Should be In:  Soundgarden, The Stooges, Alice in Chains

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Are you shitting me? RHCP are overseeded. They couldn't crack my top 100.

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Bad Company is seeded right. Yes and Genesis could be moved down. Motorhead is a on the bubble band to me. Not sold on them at all. I like Ace of Spades. That's about it for Motorhead. However my musical tastes changed in the early 80s. I went from a Classic Rock like some Heavy Metal guy to more of a Punk/new wave/club band guy. For that reason, I don't get much of the 80s/90s Rock Bands. Bon Jovi for instance. Poison would be another one.

Some other bands for consideration.

Chicago- Before Terry Kath died, they were really good. After, uh not so much.

REO Speedwagon- The You Get what You Play For Live Album is great. The other stuff they did in studio couldn't touch that Live album.

Cheap Trick

The Cars

The Police

Paul McCartney & Wings

The B52s

Talking Heads

Elvis Costello and The Attractions

The Band

The Stray Cats

The Pretenders

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clawmaster wrote:
Bad Company is seeded right. Yes and Genesis could be moved down. Motorhead is a on the bubble band to me. Not sold on them at all. I like Ace of Spades. That's about it for Motorhead. However my musical tastes changed in the early 80s. I went from a Classic Rock like some Heavy Metal guy to more of a Punk/new wave/club band guy. For that reason, I don't get much of the 80s/90s Rock Bands. Bon Jovi for instance. Poison would be another one.

Some other bands for consideration.

Chicago- Before Terry Kath died, they were really good. After, uh not so much.

REO Speedwagon- The You Get what You Play For Live Album is great. The other stuff they did in studio couldn't touch that Live album.

Cheap Trick

The Cars

The Police

Paul McCartney & Wings

The B52s

Talking Heads

Elvis Costello and The Attractions

The Band

The Stray Cats

The Pretenders


I agree that The Police, The Talking Heads, and the Pretenders need to be slotted in there as well. Somebody mentioned Blondie earlier...that would be a good pick too. I loved the B52's in high school, but I don't think that's enough to be in a greatest rock band tourney. The rest that you mentioned can stay out as far as I'm concerned.

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Are you shitting me? RHCP are overseeded. They couldn't crack my top 100.

When I look at these seedings, I'm not only considering my own personal tastes, but I'm also considering other factors like longevity, originality and influence. I'm not the biggest Motorhead fan for example, but I recognize their place in the annals of Rock history, and that's why I said they were underseeded. Same goes for Priest, the Stooges and Soundgarden.

As far as the RHCP's go, whether you like them or not, they were undoubtedly one of a kind and brought about a whole new style of music. I mean really, who can you compare to the RHCP's? Nobody. Plus, "Mother's Milk" and "Blood Sugar..." are five star classics.

On the flip side, I think of bands like Bad Company--who was good, but not great--and just really didn't have the staying power. That's why I say they're overseeded.

Then there's bands like Foreigner. In a tourney like this, if I'm looking up and down the list, I'd like to think that for every band named, it's realistic to picture somebody saying, "You know who my all-time favorite band is? Band XYZ, that's who!" I can't picture anybody saying that about Foreigner. Not one.

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Since we are counting even Heavy Metal in this contest I still say Iron Maiden and Slayer have to be in. Jethro Tull shouldn't be in there and I'm not sure who the other one I would take out is yet.

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If there are a certain number of slots open(we could just keep naming bands non stop pretty much that have some kind of influence on rock) take all of those and put them in a poll and have a vote off.

Whichever bands get the highest numbers of votes are in.

And how about a special wildcard slot for my hometown boys the Crash Test Dummies and Mitch Dorge who I went to school with. :D

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clawmaster wrote:


Cheap Trick

The Cars

The Police

The Stray Cats... I really like them, but they just weren't around long enough. (Time at the top)

The Pretenders


I'd take all of the above.

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I notice we don't have any bands mainly fronted by the "sans penis" crowd.

Maybe a separate mini tournament for the likes of

Heart
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
No Doubt
The Cranberries
Martha Davis and the Motels
The Runaways
The Bangles
The Go Go's
The Pretenders

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Keep this debate going over the weekend. I'll start making changes Monday. What will probably happen is 8 bands in and 8 bands out of the tourney. Then I'll reshuffle some seeds.

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let me make the case for 2 of the BEST bands I ever saw live in concert

Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band

J Geils Band

 

I have no problem dropping the Yardbirds for either and come on UFO and Rainbow are footnotes in rock n roll compared to Bob Seger

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I can't believe I forgot Maiden but they would certainly belong before UFO.  That's not even close.  I like UFO and I'll finally be seeing them live for the first time at B.B. King's in May, but they just don't compare.

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and come on UFO and Rainbow are footnotes in rock n roll


and two of the great live bands which is what the best R&R band tourney would really define,  depending on your taste and age there are going to be many different opinions so throw them all in and let the people vote ! , if you are going to include punk and new wave bands all the better, but if it's best 'Rock & Roll' band then .... , if you were doing 'Greatest Music Act' ever then you could throw Elvis, Johnny Cash, Bob Marley and others in

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Heart
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
The Pretenders

I would agree with these three. Especially HEART - great band with a large catalogue of rock hits. Plus they were sexy as hell in the 70's

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Count Grog wrote: let me make the case for 2 of the BEST bands I ever saw live in concert

Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band

J Geils Band

 

I have no problem dropping the Yardbirds for either and come on UFO and Rainbow are footnotes in rock n roll compared to Bob Seger


Seger's already in.

I'd second J. Geils, and I'd also be okay getting rid of UFO.  Yardbirds, because of their historical importance, I'd have a hard time dumping.  Hell, Led Zep/Page stole a good chunk of their music from old Y'birds sets, that's gotta count for something.

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Count Grog wrote: let me make the case for 2 of the BEST bands I ever saw live in concert

Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band

J Geils Band

 

I have no problem dropping the Yardbirds for either and come on UFO and Rainbow are footnotes in rock n roll compared to Bob Seger


Seger's already in.

I'd second J. Geils, and I'd also be okay getting rid of UFO.  Yardbirds, because of their historical importance, I'd have a hard time dumping.  Hell, Led Zep/Page stole a good chunk of their music from old Y'birds sets, that's gotta count for something.

opps didn't see Seger good he uis in.  Yeah Yardbirds historical importance is a big factor to keep them.

Andrew I have seen both UFO and Rainbow in concert and both were great shows.  Rainbow over UFO for over all importance to riock n roll and hits they had.  I still think J Geils had more of a lasting impression on the rock world.

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Food for thought...

"They are one of only five rock bands that can claim two separate, original 10 million-plus selling albums (certified “Diamond”) in the U.S. The others are The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Van Halen".

Kind of strange to see one of those five bands as being on the bubble.

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You fuckers need some educating since the Eagles (who blow, completely, except for Joe Walsh-who rules).:D

Here's Robert Plant, who's had about 4 careers, with his solo hit from 1993: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1TDeQyS88

Compare this to The Who since they pretty much died in 1979. And I only saw the original seedings but PLEASE put the Allman Brothers in there. They are the best jam band that ever lived and when I saw Bob fucking Seger/The Iggles over them I almost cringed.

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HBF wrote:
You fuckers need some educating since the Eagles (who blow, completely, except for Joe Walsh-who rules).:D

Here's Robert Plant, who's had about 4 careers, with his solo hit from 1993: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1TDeQyS88

Compare this to The Who since they pretty much died in 1979. And I only saw the original seedings but PLEASE put the Allman Brothers in there. They are the best jam band that ever lived and when I saw Bob fucking Seger/The Iggles over them I almost cringed.

Good call on Plant. Not sure why that one slipped past me. I've seen him live twice and an amazing show each time.

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These decisions are not final but I'm leaning this way.

IN

Cheap Trick
The Cars
The Police
The Pretenders
Iron Maiden
Heart
J Geils Band
Alice In Chains

OUT

Guess Who
Yardbirds
Traffic
Steve Miller Band
UFO
Foreigner
Rainbow
Yes

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cheapseats wrote: Food for thought...

"They are one of only five rock bands that can claim two separate, original 10 million-plus selling albums (certified “Diamond”) in the U.S. The others are The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Van Halen".

Kind of strange to see one of those five bands as being on the bubble.

BTW the fifth band is Def Leppard.:)

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cheapseats wrote: cheapseats wrote: Food for thought...

"They are one of only five rock bands that can claim two separate, original 10 million-plus selling albums (certified “Diamond”) in the U.S. The others are The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Van Halen".

Kind of strange to see one of those five bands as being on the bubble.

BTW the fifth band is Def Leppard.:)

They'll get seeded higher.

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clawmaster wrote: These decisions are not final but I'm leaning this way.

IN

Cheap Trick
The Cars
The Police
The Pretenders
Iron Maiden
Heart
J Geils Band
Alice In Chains

OUT

Guess Who
Yardbirds
Traffic
Steve Miller Band
UFO
Foreigner
Rainbow
Yes

OK I am probably older with more classic rock taste and not a metal fan at all, I worked in the Music biz when Alice in Chains was hot, I don't think they had the staying power, the hits or were really that important for the time as compared to other Seattle bands like Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, Nirvanna, etc.  I can't argue about any other the other last ins.

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Count Grog wrote: clawmaster wrote: These decisions are not final but I'm leaning this way.

IN

Cheap Trick
The Cars
The Police
The Pretenders
Iron Maiden
Heart
J Geils Band
Alice In Chains

OUT

Guess Who
Yardbirds
Traffic
Steve Miller Band
UFO
Foreigner
Rainbow
Yes

OK I am probably older with more classic rock taste and not a metal fan at all, I worked in the Music biz when Alice in Chains was hot, I don't think they had the staying power, the hits or were really that important for the time as compared to other Seattle bands like Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, Nirvanna, etc.  I can't argue about any other the other last ins.

I think they compare favorably to Soundgarden.  I don't think there's any doubt that they didn't achieve the success of Nirvana or Pearl Jam.  But Layne was such a mess it's amazing they had as much staying power as they did.  I wouldn't discount the band with the new singer though, he's very good and so was the new album.  Personally, AIC is by far my favorite grunge band of the period though.   

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As of now I'll flip flop Def Leppard and Bad Company in the seedings. Figure out which band you want in the tourney. Alice In Chains, Soundgarden or The Stooges. Pick one of the three.

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Alice in Chains

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stone2k wrote: Alice in Chains
That's what I thought originally so Alice in Chains it is. New seedings up in a bit. 

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The newest version. You can still argue too high and too low as far as the seeds go.

Stairway to Heaven Bracket
1 Led Zeppelin
2 Jimi Hendrix Experience
3 Pink Floyd
4 Fleetwood Mac
5 Kiss
6 Def Leppard
7 Queen
8 Santana
9 CCR
10 Rush
11 Supertramp
12 Boston
13 The Cars
14 Journey
15 Heart
16 Iron Maiden

Satisfaction Bracket
1 Rolling Stones
2 The Eagles
3 Lynyrd Skynyrd
4 Van Halen
5 The Doors
6 Allman Brothers Band
7 Deep Purple
8 The Kinks
9 Beach Boys
10 Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
11 Motorhead
12 Genesis
13 The Pretenders
14 Bon Jovi
15 Jethro Tull
16 The Animals

Hey Jude Bracket
1 The Beatles
2 Bob Seger
3 The Clash
4 Metallica
5 AC/DC
6 Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
7 R.E.M.
8 Nirvana
9 Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young
10 The Ramones
11 Steely Dan
12 Velvet Underground/Lou Reed
13 Blue Oyster Cult
14 Jefferson Airplane
15 Cheap Trick
16 Judas Priest

Won't Get Fooled Again bracket
1 The Who
2 Guns N Roses
3 U2
4 Black Sabbath
5 Aerosmith
6 ZZ Top
7 Grateful Dead
8 Cream
9 Alice Cooper
10 Pearl Jam
11 Neil Young and Crazy Horse
12 The Police
13 Bad Company
14 Red Hot Chili Peppers
15 J Geils Band
16 Alice In Chains


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Steely Dan way too high, Iron Maiden too low.

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srossi wrote: Steely Dan way too high, Iron Maiden too low.
I can easily switch the two. Will do that Thursday after more people give their thoughts.

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clawmaster wrote: srossi wrote: Steely Dan way too high, Iron Maiden too low.
I can easily switch the two. Will do that Thursday after more people give their thoughts.

again I am not a fan of metal and can name only one Iron Maiden song Ithink (Run to the Hills)  I think thats a good excuse right there in that they have limited appeal and also not a large amount of big hits (compared to metal bands like Judas priest or AC DC where I can name a lot of their songs)  Steely Dan I also think falls into a limited appeal category for your jaz .op rock genre.  But they have tons of recognizable songs that cross genres.  Only my opinion but when I ran music clubs I could put on a Steely Dan CD if we had a pop show, a hippie show, blues show,  a prog rock show, a jazz show or a acoustuic show and the fans would be happy.  Iron Maiden we would have been limited to a metal show and then we had a pretty substantial metal collection because we did a lot of Metal shows but we did not have a Iron Maiden CD. 



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