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Seems like the majority of us like the Canucks in the Stanley Cup finals but I think the NBA Finals is a pretty even matchup. I'd be surprised if this was over quickly. Who do you like?


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I think it'll be tough, but I'm taking the same team I've been taking all year: The Heat.

Dallas is very good and very deep, though. I just think the Wade/James tandem is too much. Plus, they've got Haslem, Miller and Jones playing well now, and they didn't have Haslem or Miller for much of the season. I think it'll be enough for them.

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Same as it was the first time they played several years ago.The Mavs will prove to be the better team and win the first 2 games handily,then the Heat will "storm back to win 4 in a row",often with the aid of some very dubious whistles on the part of zebras whenever it looks like they need help.

The NBA is as fixed as any major sport has ever been,and LBJ is the leagues darling,coupled with the fact that Mark Cuban is not exactly David Sterns favorite person,it's easy to see where this is going.

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I think Dallas has a real solid chance and the the difference maker may very well be Shawn Marion.

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katook wrote: Same as it was the first time they played several years ago.The Mavs will prove to be the better team and win the first 2 games handily,then the Heat will "storm back to win 4 in a row",often with the aid of some very dubious whistles on the part of zebras whenever it looks like they need help.



The whistles wouldn't have mattered if Wade didn't stay aggressive, or if Dirk and the Mavs had. The Mavs let the whistles get to them. They didn't respond well at all. Yes, the refs can have an effect, but not enough for a team to win four in a row after having lost the first two fairly handily.  Players like Wade and Haslem deserve a lot of credit for playing hard and aggressive, and the Mavs deserve blame for wilting under the pressure.

But, only 2 players on each team remain: Dirk and Terry for Mavs; Wade and Haslem (the two top heroes - it was Haslem's hustle that turned that game 3 around and woke Wade up) for Heat.

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I think Cuban gets his championship this year.

Mavs in 6

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I want the Mavs to beat the Heat in 6 games

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Mavs in 7

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I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see the Mavs winning. They're due for a choke, and at some point Cuban will do/say something to piss off the refs. Heat in 6.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see the Mavs winning. They're due for a choke, and at some point Cuban will do/say something to piss off the refs. Heat in 6.

 I agree. Heat in 6.

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Benlen wrote: I think Cuban gets his championship this year.

Mavs in 6

THIS!!!!!!!

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Game one tonight on ABC at 8 PM Central Time.

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Miami an outrageous favorite (9 to 5 odds) - would take the Mavs if I bet hoops just because I think it's a tossup

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beejmi wrote: Miami an outrageous favorite (9 to 5 odds) - would take the Mavs if I bet hoops just because I think it's a tossup

I think the Heat is way better than many on this board want to admit. They SHOULD be fairly heavy favorites, IMO.

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The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

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yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

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krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?

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krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls


Your racist bullshit is sad, albeit sadly typical.  Your posts read as a caricature of the modern young black racist, who isn't nearly as observant and "in tune" as he thinks he is because he lets his obsession with race cloud his faculties. Almost as if you are a racist white dude posing as a stereotypical modern black racist to make "the black guy" look bad. I know it's hip to be anti-whitey these days, and repeat the same old prejudgments and stereotypes, but try thinking for yourself and opening your mind a tad. It's fun and you'd be shocked at how much you could learn.

Or, as is also sadly typical of so many young black racists these days, do you convince yourself that you aren't racist because you heard some racist "black scholar" say that you have to have "power" to be racist, and you "know" that all whites have "power" whereas no blacks do?  "Walk a mile in your shoes," etc, etc.








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BayouBoogie wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls


Your racist bullshit is sad, albeit sadly typical.  Your posts read as a caricature of the modern young black racist, who isn't nearly as observant and "in tune" as he thinks he is because he lets his obsession with race cloud his faculties. Almost as if you are a racist white dude posing as a stereotypical modern black racist to make "the black guy" look bad. I know it's hip to be anti-whitey these days, and repeat the same old prejudgments and stereotypes, but try thinking for yourself and opening your mind a tad. It's fun and you'd be shocked at how much you could learn.

Or, as is also sadly typical of so many young black racists these days, do you convince yourself that you aren't racist because you heard some racist "black scholar" say that you have to have "power" to be racist, and you "know" that all whites have "power" whereas no blacks do?  "Walk a mile in your shoes," etc, etc.


Dr. Cosby?

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thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

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krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head.  The only guy that I can think of is that "Big Country" goof that came out of OSU and played briefly with Vancouver.  They were touting him to be something for a while, but he pretty much sucked.

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don't care hope Mavs win because I hate Lebron and his power grab he made at putting this team together.  That being said Heat probably win in 5 games

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I'd give almost anything to see the Mavs win but sadly the Heat will win and we'll have to listen to smug bullshit from 3 of the leagues biggest assholes all summer.

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krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.


Way to worm out of what you said earlier. I thought "fucking black chicks" had something to do with it?

And your original comment was a response to a post that called Dirk "white". Not a damn thing to do with how his star power is affected by being German.

If you don't want theses on race, don't get into a conversation about it.






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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

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clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

And Jason Kidd. Stockton is retired and Kidd is 38. The only recent guy that comes to mind is Blake Griffin but he's only done it for one year.

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clawmaster wrote: clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

And Jason Kidd. Stockton is retired and Kidd is 38. The only recent guy that comes to mind is Blake Griffin but he's only done it for one year.

And Griffin is half and half.

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clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.


I call BS on the highlighted comment.  There have been several point guards as good or better than Nash. He gets MORE credit than he deserves, IMO. He's a very good player, but I don't even think he should have won MVP those years.  He's worthless on defense, a liability, and put up big numbers in a system conducive to that. Again, very good player, but no way is he underrated or under exposed. 

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:
krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head.  The only guy that I can think of is that "Big Country" goof that came out of OSU and played briefly with Vancouver.  They were touting him to be something for a while, but he pretty much sucked.

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clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

Chris Mullin, too. Which brings up another good comparison. Mullin was a star. As big a star as Dirk? Not in the NBA, I don't think. He certainly was never a front-runner for MVP. And his game isn't quite as good as Dirk, IMO, ad Dirk is in a bigger market, so Dirk is a bigger star just as he should be, although Mullin was very, very good.

Tom Chambers is in a similar boat to Mullin. He had a few really good seasons on really good teams and his star similarly rose with that, though he never even approached Bird stardom, nor was he as big a star as Dirk or Nash, even though he was a leading NBA scorer on a team that made more than one Conference Final and was all-star MVP.

Mark Price and Kevin McHale all were fairly big stars around the same time as well. McHale being the bigger star, because he was a key player on a Championship team.


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BayouBoogie wrote: clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

Chris Mullin, too. Which brings up another good comparison. Mullin was a star. As big a star as Dirk? Not in the NBA, I don't think. He certainly was never a front-runner for MVP. And his game isn't quite as good as Dirk, IMO, ad Dirk is in a bigger market, so Dirk is a bigger star just as he should be, although Mullin was very, very good.

Tom Chambers is in a similar boat to Mullin. He had a few really good seasons on really good teams and his star similarly rose with that, though he never even approached Bird stardom, nor was he as big a star as Dirk or Nash, even though he was a leading NBA scorer on a team that made more than one Conference Final and was all-star MVP.

Mark Price and Kevin McHale all were fairly big stars around the same time as well. McHale being the bigger star, because he was a key player on a Championship team.




Kidd and Blake are half and half.  They're disqualified from the discussion.

Here's the remainder of the guys we're discussing:

McHale:  Great player, but I never regarded him as a superstar of the caliber of Bird or even Novitski or even one of the Top 3 guys in the league of his era. 
Tom Chambers:  He was one of my favorite players of that era, but even with that, he was never a superstar.  I never regarded him as a Top 10 player during the time I watched him.  
Mark Price:  for a short period of time, might have been one of the Top 10 players in the league, but his peak was too brief.
Chris Mullin:  like Price, at one point I might've considered him a Top 10 player in the league, but his peak, although longer than Price's, was still a bit too brief.  
The only player I'd reluctantly agree with is John Stockton. 

Overall though, a pretty weak list, especially if you're comparing it to African-Americans or even non-Americans. 

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: clawmaster wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls

"Americans" have been "behind" DeNiro for years now.  Why should Dirk be different?


Dirk isn't born here, and white Americans or Americans in general don't really get behind people not born here, we can sit here and type thesis on race all we want, but if Dirk was born in USA and raised he would be a legend already up there with Brady and Manning in terms of star power.

Have to agree with KKK18.  Even Nash quite possibly doesn't get the respect he deserves by virtue of his being Canadian.

Who is the last white American to be regarded as a star in the NBA, anyways?  Since Bird, I can't think of any off the top of my head. 


John Stockton.

Chris Mullin, too. Which brings up another good comparison. Mullin was a star. As big a star as Dirk? Not in the NBA, I don't think. He certainly was never a front-runner for MVP. And his game isn't quite as good as Dirk, IMO, ad Dirk is in a bigger market, so Dirk is a bigger star just as he should be, although Mullin was very, very good.

Tom Chambers is in a similar boat to Mullin. He had a few really good seasons on really good teams and his star similarly rose with that, though he never even approached Bird stardom, nor was he as big a star as Dirk or Nash, even though he was a leading NBA scorer on a team that made more than one Conference Final and was all-star MVP.

Mark Price and Kevin McHale all were fairly big stars around the same time as well. McHale being the bigger star, because he was a key player on a Championship team.




Kidd and Blake are half and half.  They're disqualified from the discussion.

Here's the remainder of the guys we're discussing:

McHale:  Great player, but I never regarded him as a superstar of the caliber of Bird or even Novitski or even one of the Top 3 guys in the league of his era. 
Tom Chambers:  He was one of my favorite players of that era, but even with that, he was never a superstar.  I never regarded him as a Top 10 player during the time I watched him.  
Mark Price:  for a short period of time, might have been one of the Top 10 players in the league, but his peak was too brief.
Chris Mullin:  like Price, at one point I might've considered him a Top 10 player in the league, but his peak, although longer than Price's, was still a bit too brief.  
The only player I'd reluctantly agree with is John Stockton. 

Overall though, a pretty weak list, especially if you're comparing it to African-Americans or even non-Americans. 


Exactly. Which is another reason why KK's post was bullshit. Why aren't Stockton, Mullin and Chambers the "legends" he claims Dirk would be if he were American? Chambers put up numbers very similar to Dirk's and was the key player (alongside KJ) on a legit contender in the late 80s-early 90s.  He was a "star", but not on the level of Dirk (or Nash).  Why?

Here's an idea: Personality and being the star player on a Championship team (which will no doubt raise Dirk's profile, which is already higher than all of those). Either that or they all fuck black girls.

The biggest white star since Bird is Nash, and he's not from the US. He speaks perfect English, is photogenic and has some personality, though, so his appeal is increased.  The next two are Dirk and Stockton, both having been in a pair of NBA Finals, though Dirk is certainly a bigger "star" and more widely recognized than Stockton.

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What an amazing finish.  Nowitzki was cold blooded down the stretch.

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thunderbolt wrote: What an amazing finish.  Nowitzki was cold blooded down the stretch.

Pressure is on the Heat now but they've proven they can win on the road in the playoffs. It's gonna be a great series. Hats off to Dirk and the Mavs for that stunning comeback.

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clawmaster wrote: thunderbolt wrote: What an amazing finish.  Nowitzki was cold blooded down the stretch.

Pressure is on the Heat now but they've proven they can win on the road in the playoffs. It's gonna be a great series. Hats off to Dirk and the Mavs for that stunning comeback.


A lot of that is on the Heat. They got very cocky, started celebrating way too early and then came out flat after that time out where they were acting like they had won with like 6 minutes on the clock.  The Heat quit early, the Mavs didn't.

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LeBron will quit on his team if the Mavs start to pull ahead,he's done it time after time when he was with Clevehole and there's no reason to think he won't do it again when his team needs him the most.

Watch and see.

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katook wrote: LeBron will quit on his team if the Mavs start to pull ahead,he's done it time after time when he was with Clevehole and there's no reason to think he won't do it again when his team needs him the most.

Watch and see.


That is completely false.  The only time he seems to have done that was the one game last year against Boston (and he had a better overall series against Boston than Bryant did, but Bryant had help and Lebron didn't). Other than that, he plays his ass off and carried a crap team for years.

Miami is more apt to quit when they are ahead than when they are behind, IMO.  The idea that Lebron quits when he is behind is absurd if you really look at his record.  Also, it's obvious that a lot of people don't realize how shitty a team he had around him in Cleveland.  And even if he did quit in one game on that crap team, I don't see him doing that on a team that is built to win, with another 1st tier player as well as an All-Star for a 3rd guy.  I think the bigger danger with Miami is getting swollen heads and thinking they have it in the bag, like they did in that last game.


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Gotta give the Heat credit. They hit a ton of big three pointers in game 3. Great game.

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Really?  I guess I, and everyone else, missed this the first time around.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Mario-Chalmers-and-the-buzzer-beater-that-shoul?urn=nba-wp4412

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Dallas was down by 9 points in the 4th quarter but Dallas went to the zone, Dirk got hot and Dallas is now up by 2 with 45 seconds to go.

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Dallas by one with 29.3 seconds to go. Dallas has the ball and has called time out.

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Dirk makes a lay up. Dallas by three with 14.4 seconds to go. Time out Miami.

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Wade makes a hoop. Dallas up by one with 9 seconds to go.

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Jason Terry hits 2 free throws. Dallas by 3 with 6.7 seconds to go.

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Dallas wins 86-83!! Series evened a 2.

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Man, if Dallas wins this thing, nobody on that team should get a ring but Dirk. Seems like every game they just snooze until Dirk starts hulking up.

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If there was ever any doubt in my mind about whether Nowitzki was HOF material, there is none now, win or lose this series.  Even though my home market is in the West, our regional games are usually Lakerscentric. 

Until Jon Barry mentioned it this morning on Sportscenter, I didn't realize LBJ has a sum total of 9 fourth quarter points for the entire series, and it being outrebounded and outblocked by Shawn Merriman (my pick for series-changer).  LeBron is an absolute stud of epic proportion, but that just floored me.



 

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thunderbolt wrote: If there was ever any doubt in my mind about whether Nowitzki was HOF material, there is none now, win or lose this series.  Even though my home market is in the West, our regional games are usually Lakerscentric. 

Until Jon Barry mentioned it this morning on Sportscenter, I didn't realize LBJ has a sum total of 9 fourth quarter points for the entire series, and it being outrebounded and outblocked by Shawn Merriman (my pick for series-changer).  LeBron is an absolute stud of epic proportion, but that just floored me.

I think you mean Shawn Marion, although Shawne Merriman may work too lol.

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nyhack56 wrote: thunderbolt wrote: If there was ever any doubt in my mind about whether Nowitzki was HOF material, there is none now, win or lose this series.  Even though my home market is in the West, our regional games are usually Lakerscentric. 

Until Jon Barry mentioned it this morning on Sportscenter, I didn't realize LBJ has a sum total of 9 fourth quarter points for the entire series, and it being outrebounded and outblocked by Shawn Merriman (my pick for series-changer).  LeBron is an absolute stud of epic proportion, but that just floored me.

I think you mean Shawn Marion, although Shawne Merriman may work too lol.
My inner Chargers fan took over as I typed.  :D

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Dallas by 5 with 9+ minutes to go.

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Dallas about to win game 5. Jason Terry has been huge.

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Dallas 112 Miami 103.

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Wow, this series just keeps getting better.

I want Miami to lose so bad, even if it is The Mavericks (who are NOT a team I like) that beats them.

Just sucks that we have to wait until Sunday night until the next game though.

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clawmaster wrote: Dallas about to win game 5. Jason Terry has been huge.

Yeah, HHUUUGGEEEEEE 3 Pointer in someone's face @ the end...that was awesome...a sort of "Fuck you Lebron" pose afterwards....he played like shit(Lebron). Whole Mavs team played great. They shoot like that again in Miami....Dirk & Co. will win it all.....

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Wow, this series just keeps getting better.

I want Miami to lose so bad, even if it is The Mavericks (who are NOT a team I like) that beats them.

Just sucks that we have to wait until Sunday night until the next game though.


Loving it

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Wow, this series just keeps getting better.

I want Miami to lose so bad, even if it is The Mavericks (who are NOT a team I like) that beats them.


Same here. I don't like Dallas and think Mark Cuban is a jackass, but Dirk and Co. deserve to win. They decimated the defending champion Lakers and have played like ones themselves. My disdain for Lebron outweighs my dislike of the Mavs mainly because of Nowitzki and Jason Kidd. They have been in the league for a long time and it's about time they get their rings. I like Dwayne Wade and generally speaking have nothing against the Heat if it wasn't for Lebron. But all the bullshit over the summer with the ESPN special and the rally where they said they could win 6 or 7 championships makes me want to see them fall on their face.

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DJP wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
Wow, this series just keeps getting better.

I want Miami to lose so bad, even if it is The Mavericks (who are NOT a team I like) that beats them.


Same here. I don't like Dallas and think Mark Cuban is a jackass, but Dirk and Co. deserve to win. They decimated the defending champion Lakers and have played like ones themselves. My disdain for Lebron outweighs my dislike of the Mavs mainly because of Nowitzki and Jason Kidd. They have been in the league for a long time and it's about time they get their rings. I like Dwayne Wade and generally speaking have nothing against the Heat if it wasn't for Lebron. But all the bullshit over the summer with the ESPN special and the rally where they said they could win 6 or 7 championships makes me want to see them fall on their face.

This......spot on.

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If the Heat lose how many more stars will they go out and buy?

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Angelic Assassin wrote: If the Heat lose how many more stars will they go out and buy?

With what money?

And why? You have a team in their first year with over 3 quarters of the team as new players (one of their key vets, Haslem, just came back a couple of weeks ago - MIke Miller just started paying, too) and they are neck and neck (leading for much of the series) in the NBA finals through 6 games.  They are sitting very pretty right now for the next few seasons.  Add a couple well-fitting role payers, sure, but no need for any "stars".

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At the buzzer and The Mavericks are up by 9 with one more quarter to play.

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BayouBoogie wrote:
Angelic Assassin wrote: If the Heat lose how many more stars will they go out and buy?

With what money?

And why? You have a team in their first year with over 3 quarters of the team as new players (one of their key vets, Haslem, just came back a couple of weeks ago - MIke Miller just started paying, too) and they are neck and neck (leading for much of the series) in the NBA finals through 6 games.  They are sitting very pretty right now for the next few seasons.  Add a couple well-fitting role payers, sure, but no need for any "stars".


Meant more in jest than anything. It was pretty obvious that LeBron and Bosh were going to the Heat and even with that kind of talent and what they already had they are in tough against a Dallas team(emphasis on the word team) as I feel the Mavs are more of a team than the Heat are.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: BayouBoogie wrote:
Angelic Assassin wrote: If the Heat lose how many more stars will they go out and buy?

With what money?

And why? You have a team in their first year with over 3 quarters of the team as new players (one of their key vets, Haslem, just came back a couple of weeks ago - MIke Miller just started paying, too) and they are neck and neck (leading for much of the series) in the NBA finals through 6 games.  They are sitting very pretty right now for the next few seasons.  Add a couple well-fitting role payers, sure, but no need for any "stars".


Meant more in jest than anything. It was pretty obvious that LeBron and Bosh were going to the Heat and even with that kind of talent and what they already had they are in tough against a Dallas team(emphasis on the word team) as I feel the Mavs are more of a team than the Heat are.


Dallas IS more of a team. It's their second year together, for the most part. Pretty much the same team was a one and done in the playoffs last year.

My point is that the Heat have hardly failed (though anything short of a title will be "failure") in terms of reasonable expectations. The team has been together for one year (Haslem - injury, Miller and Bibby have all recently joined the team and played major minutes in the playoffs), with very questionable depth, yet they are in game 6 of the Finals against a very good team and they basically gave away 2 of their 3 losses. 


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There is a God and thy name is Nowitzki!

Congrats Dallas!

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Miami really "coughed" up a great opportunity!

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I love it,just because I want to see LeBron go for his while career without ever winning a title.


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Freaking Miami, a bunch of quitters. They were down by 10 or something with a little less than a minute and they gave up!!
Even though it was pretty much over, you don't quit like that. They didn't even attempt to start fouling Dallas every possession they got.

Babies. As much as I hate Dallas, I'm loving them tonight for this victory.

This looks good on Lebron and Co. in Miami. Hell Ya!!!!

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damn dirk bounced from there like how legends do it

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I love it,just because I want to see LeBron go for his while career without ever winning a title.




My feelings exactly. Same goes for Bosh. My team is the Raptors but never cared for Bosh while he was there.

Nothing to do with LeBlowhard and Chrissie leaving their respective teams for greener pastures. More to do with the attitudes the 2 players displayed on their way out of their former homes.

Can hardly wait to hear the excuses to start flowing out of Miami.

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I think Cuban gets his championship this year.

Mavs in 6


Bingo!

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Congrats Dallas!
This.

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Cuban was very classy. He let the original owner of the Mavs accept the trophy. Then he avoided questions and and told them to interview Coach C.



 

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BayouBoogie wrote: My point is that the Heat have hardly failed (though anything short of a title will be "failure") in terms of reasonable expectations. The team has been together for one year (Haslem - injury, Miller and Bibby have all recently joined the team and played major minutes in the playoffs), with very questionable depth, yet they are in game 6 of the Finals against a very good team and they basically gave away 2 of their 3 losses. 


I would agree with you, but they let their egos get in the way, with all the talk of how they were going to dominate, win 5 or 6 titles.

If they hadn't opened their mouths, it would not have been a failure.  But they wanted the target on their backs, they wanted to play the bad guys.  If you're going to do that, you better deliver, and they didn't.

LeBron failed.  He quit on his team, you could see it in his eyes.  He wanted no part of the 4th quarter.  And, when the other superstar has to get in your face in a finals game to motivate you, never mind Jordan. you're not even Pippen.

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clawmaster wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Congrats Dallas!
This.

Ditto. Like I said in another thread, you gotta play the season out. You don't just
hand the trophy over to the favored team, no matter how much they're stacked.
Congrats Mavs.

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Jason Whitlock lays into Miami, particularly LeBron.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-blow-up-the-big-three-061311?GT1=39002

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Jason Whitlock might be the worst sports writer around. He's suggesting the Heat blow it up after only 1 season.

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Married Jo wrote:


Outstanding!!!

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krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls


Here you go, kk. "LOL@White guys"

Someone called Nowitzki white and you scoffed at him. Don't be such a chickenshit. Your comments are online. We can pull them back up. Just stand by what you say.

And again, no one said shit about supporting Dirk because he's German. They called him white and you scoffed at it just so you could slip in one of your little racist jabs, then hide from it like a coward and pretend you were responding to something that no one said in the fist place.


The point you were pretending to make is bullshit too, as Dirk and Steve Nash are easily the top white stars in the league since Bird (Manu Ginobili probably being next in line), despite people like Chambers, Stockton, and Mullin coming through in that time, not to mention a host of other decent white players.








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BayouBoogie wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls


Here you go, kk. "LOL@White guys"

Someone called Nowitzki white and you scoffed at him. Don't be such a chickenshit. Your comments are online. We can pull them back up. Just stand by what you say.

And again, no one said shit about supporting Dirk because he's German. They called him white and you scoffed at it just so you could slip in one of your little racist jabs, then hide from it like a coward and pretend you were responding to something that no one said in the fist place.


The point you were pretending to make is bullshit too, as Dirk and Steve Nash are easily the top white stars in the league since Bird (Manu Ginobili probably being next in line), despite people like Chambers, Stockton, and Mullin coming through in that time, not to mention a host of other decent white players.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VtEtlcFd2N4/S7kAJdeEBEI/AAAAAAAAANc/fYpN4zZW8_s/s1600/reaching-for-star-big.jpg

that is clearly what you are aiming for so  Ginobili is considered white now, interesting. When have i ever coward from any debate you got me confused with many other people sorry buddy boy i have never ran from any debate.

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krazykid18 wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: krazykid18 wrote: yellowdog wrote: The NBA will figure a way to stretch this to 7 games.  Heat win game 7.  That's the best story for the NBA.  White guys Nowitski and Cuban finish 2nd but put up a game fight. 

LOL@ White guys as if Most white Americans will get behind Drik a German who fucks black girls


Here you go, kk. "LOL@White guys"

Someone called Nowitzki white and you scoffed at him. Don't be such a chickenshit. Your comments are online. We can pull them back up. Just stand by what you say.

And again, no one said shit about supporting Dirk because he's German. They called him white and you scoffed at it just so you could slip in one of your little racist jabs, then hide from it like a coward and pretend you were responding to something that no one said in the fist place.


The point you were pretending to make is bullshit too, as Dirk and Steve Nash are easily the top white stars in the league since Bird (Manu Ginobili probably being next in line), despite people like Chambers, Stockton, and Mullin coming through in that time, not to mention a host of other decent white players.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VtEtlcFd2N4/S7kAJdeEBEI/AAAAAAAAANc/fYpN4zZW8_s/s1600/reaching-for-star-big.jpg

that is clearly what you are aiming for so  Ginobili is considered white now, interesting. When have i ever coward from any debate you got me confused with many other people sorry buddy boy i have never ran from any debate.

Of course Ginobili is white. He is the son of 2 Italian parents in Argentina a country with a white population of 90%.



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