WowBB Forums Home 
WowBB Forums > Sports And Wrestling > Pro Wrestling > Your Champion's Best Challengers

 Moderated by: Ron, brodiescomics, beejmi  
AuthorPost
beejmi
The Big Kahuna


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Philly
Posts: 41519
Status: 
Offline
Whether it be Hogan or Austin or Race or Flair or Gagne whoever ~ who were the top challengers that made their title run that much more interesting.... and made you thought they might lose. 

Bruno Sammartino

1. Superstar Billy Graham

2. Ivan Koloff

3. Stan Hansen

4. Ken Patera

5. Killer Kowalski

Honorable Mention: Spiros Arion

 

HBF



Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA
Posts: 17866
Status: 
Offline
Backlund:

Patterson

Patera

Muraco

Valentine

Snuka

Slaughter

Last edited on Mon Oct 29th, 2007 01:17 pm by HBF

lobo316



Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: Raptorville
Posts: 43449
Status: 
Offline
Backlund, for the simple reason he was usually much smaller
than his opponents & always seemed to be the underdog.

amerorig



Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007
Location: Fresno, California USA
Posts: 2993
Status: 
Offline
I guess I grew up in the era of the big 2...


Flair:    Rhodes, Steamboat, Koloff, Magnum TA

Hogan:  Bundy, Andre (Obvious), Savage, Orndorff

BigJ



Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007
Location: The Bottom Of Lake Millerton
Posts: 6935
Status: 
Offline
Martel:

1. Saito
2. Bockwinkel
3. Garvin
4. Masked Superstar
5. Slaughter

Slaughter was a face too but I always waited for him to get his shot.  Hansen ironically didn't "worry" me too much and he wound up being the guy.

JaseSF



Joined: Thu Oct 25th, 2007
Location: Newfoundland Canada
Posts: 670
Status: 
Offline
Hulk Hogan: Paul Orndorff, Randy Savage, Magnificent Muraco, Andre the Giant, King Kong Bundy

Ric Flair: Dusty Rhodes, Ricky Steamboat, Magnum T.A., Nikita Koloff, Jimmy Garvin

Rick Martel: Jimmy Garvin, Mr. Saito, Nick Bockwinkel, Masked Superstar

Dino Bravo: King Tonga, Masked Superstar, Jos Leduc (Tonga actually did win the Canadian title)

clawmaster
Hall Of Famer
 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: The Bowels Of East Central Illinois
Posts: 48216
Status: 
Offline
Verne Gagne: Ivan Koloff & Billy Robinson. I was shocked when Bockwinkel beat Verne.

Nick Bockwinkel: Billy Robinson, Verne Gagne, Andre The Giant, Dick The Bruiser. I'm talking about Nick's first AWA Title reign. The feeling always was if Verne could get Bockwinkel in a match where Heenan could not interfere nor could the Heenan Family Members that Verne even as old as he was would regain the Title. Wasn't shocked at all when it happened.

carlton st

 

Joined: Sat Oct 27th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 1195
Status: 
Offline
Harley Race: Ric Flair
Ric Flair : Harley Race

always thought they would have the title switch between those two given the history up here but never happened, at the time thought the title could change hands any night but 2 others that come to mind

Nick Bockwinkel : Verne Gagne
Bob Backlund: Greg Valentine

khawk
Hall Of Famer


Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 15713
Status: 
Offline
Favourites from each reign:

Bockwinkel (Reign 2, May 1981-August 1982): Santana, Robinson, Hogan, Kaissie, Brunzell. the Kaissie program was great and really helped re-establish Nick as the Champ after getting the belt via forfeit. the initial Hogan challenges were off the charts.

Bockwinkel (Reign 3, October 82-February 84): Martel, Hogan, Vachon. Martel was the guy everyone wanted to win if Hogan didn't do it. Vachon was tremendous in his run in St. paul in late 1984 (October Battleroyal win, November title shot (loss with Heenan interference), December DQ win with Crusher at ringside to counter Heenan, and january tag with Crusher vs. Bockwinkel and Mulligan, which led to the reformation of the Blackjacks.)

Great story: The finish was actually botched in the December title match between Vachon and Bockwinkel. Heenan was supposed to interfere for the DQ, coming off the top rope onto Vachon's pin attempt. heenan was either late climbing the turnbuckle or got caught while climbing it, forcing the ref (The iron Duke) to count one...two...and then on three, get his hand down to the mat but not slap it. heenan jumped and missed the wrestlers completely. Ref stands up and awards the match to Vachon and the place went CRAZY. Later the DQ was announced, and the fans groaned, because the ending was pretty cut-and-dry that the ref counted three before Heenan got into the ring to interfere.

If you ever see that match ending you would have no doubt at all that mad Dog was a viable challenger for the title in late 1983, near the end of his career and the fans hated Heenan and Bockwinkel with as much passion then as they did in the late 70's. Good stuff.

 

Martel (May 84-December 85): Bockwinkel, Garvin, Hayes, Zurkov (A Winnipeg exclusive that was very well done), and Saito.

I would have named masked Superstar but I didn't ever remember him trying to get in serious position for the title. Saito is there because the one bout he did get in Winnipeg was really good. the Zurkov thing was a three-match series that ended with a title match in the cage, basically unehard of in the AWA when the cage was in use. Winnipeg jets GM John Ferguson was the special referee and he sucked, but Boris and Rick worked so well that it didn't completely ruin the bout. hayes I hated so much as a challenger it made me mad when he got non-title or screwjob wins over martel. Garvin and Rick worked great together.

BigJ



Joined: Thu Oct 18th, 2007
Location: The Bottom Of Lake Millerton
Posts: 6935
Status: 
Offline
I had Superstar on my list not so much because he really got in position to take the belt but because, after seeing him a year or so earlier against Backlund, when I saw him in the AWA it was "ohhh shit, there goes Martel's title."

Kid_Naitch



Joined: Tue Oct 30th, 2007
Location: IOWA
Posts: 4903
Status: 
Offline
doublepost.

Last edited on Thu Nov 1st, 2007 05:18 pm by Kid_Naitch

Kid_Naitch



Joined: Tue Oct 30th, 2007
Location: IOWA
Posts: 4903
Status: 
Offline
Austin: I sorta covered this in another thread, but I really thought he was going to job to Undertaker at Summerslam 1998. I was shocked, and even a little disappointed, when he didn't.

ntrots

 

Joined: Sun Jan 6th, 2008
Location:  
Posts: 423
Status: 
Offline
Superstar Graham vs Rhoads, Mil Mascaras, Backlund

Sammartino vs Morales, Tanaka, Killer Kowaski, Hansen, Patera

Morales vs Tanaka, Stasiak

Backlund vs Mavia, Graham, Patterson, Snuka

Last edited on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 01:48 pm by ntrots

justahamandegger

 

Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 911
Status: 
Offline
 Verne Gagne (60's till mid 70's)

 The Crusher, Mad Dog Vachon, Dr. X, Nick Bockwinkel and Billy Robinson. All except Robinson beat Gagne for the title at one time or another.

 Nick Bockwinkel (70's)

 The Crusher, Verne Gagne, Wahoo McDaniel and Andre the Giant. 

bpickering
Hall Of Famer


Joined: Tue Nov 13th, 2007
Location: Highspire, Pennsylvania USA
Posts: 17822
Status: 
Offline
Backlund:

Muraco

Valentine

Snuka

Slaughter


Hogan:

Savage

Andre

Piper

Orndorff


Flair:

Rhodes

Steamboat

Windham

David, Kerry, Kevin Von Erich



 

Benlen



Joined: Sun Oct 21st, 2007
Location: Milpitas, California USA
Posts: 13267
Status: 
Offline
Ray Stevens:

Pat Patterson
Bill Miller

Flairfan216



Joined: Tue May 27th, 2008
Location: Ohio USA
Posts: 676
Status: 
Offline
Ric Flair:
  • Harley Race
  • Barry Windham
  • the Von Erich boys
  • Dusty Rhodes
  • Ronnie Garvin
  • Bruiser Brody

freebirdsforever2001
Fantasia is running wild!


Joined: Tue Jul 8th, 2008
Location: Pittsgrove, New Jersey USA
Posts: 20758
Status: 
Offline
backlund:

snuka

hogan

patera

muraco

slaughter

freebirdsforever2001
Fantasia is running wild!


Joined: Tue Jul 8th, 2008
Location: Pittsgrove, New Jersey USA
Posts: 20758
Status: 
Offline
Flairfan216 wrote: Ric Flair:
  • Harley Race
  • Barry Windham
  • the Von Erich boys
  • Dusty Rhodes
  • Ronnie Garvin
  • Bruiser Brody

never believed that garvin was ever a credible contender to flair.

clawmaster
Hall Of Famer
 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: The Bowels Of East Central Illinois
Posts: 48216
Status: 
Offline
Verne Gagne: He was AWA Champ when I started watching in 1969. So I'm not counting the guys before that because I didn't see them.

Billy Robinson
Ivan Koloff
Superstar Billy Graham
Nick Bockwinkel

Nick Bockwinkel: Bock shockingly beat Verne for the Title. I thought Robinson would beat Verne at Comiskey Park in 1974.

Verne Gagne
Billy Robinson
Andre The Giant
Hulk Hogan
Ray Stevens
Dick The Bruiser
The Crusher

Ric Flair: Started seeing Flair on a regular basis in late 1983.

Kerry Von Erich
Dusty Rhodes
Magnum TA
Ricky Steamboat
Nikita Koloff
Barry Windham

Hulk Hogan: Saw his whole Hulkamania run in the WWF

Roddy Piper
Randy Savage
Paul Orndorff
Big Boss Man- Hogan's matches against Boss Man were really good.

Chitown Rich

 

Joined: Mon Aug 25th, 2008
Location:  
Posts: 784
Status: 
Offline
I started off with Mad Dog Vachon in 1966.

Top challengers in Chicago were

1. Verne Gagne

2. Crusher

3. Wilbur Snyder

4. Killer Kowalski

then Verne won the belt

1. Billy Robinson

2. Dr. X

3. Bill Watts

4. Lou Thesz

I never ever thought that Bockwinkel would become champ but he did. His top challengers in Chicago were

1. Verne Gagne

2. Dick the Bruiser

3. Billy Robinson

4. Ernie Ladd

then Verne regains for a short while

1. Nick Bockwinkel

2. Jerry Blackwell

Flairfan216



Joined: Tue May 27th, 2008
Location: Ohio USA
Posts: 676
Status: 
Offline
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Flairfan216 wrote: Ric Flair:
  • Harley Race
  • Barry Windham
  • the Von Erich boys
  • Dusty Rhodes
  • Ronnie Garvin
  • Bruiser Brody

never believed that garvin was ever a credible contender to flair.

I didn't really read Beej's question thoroughly, so I didn't list people based upon guys who I thought would take the title.  It was more of a retrospective look at challengers.  I didn't see Brody, Race, or the Von Erich's challenge for the titles.  Those are all feuds, or in Brody's case, matches that I saw afterwards.

I started watching JCP in '85 and was 11 years old.  I didn't realize that Ronnie Garvin was 5'4" or 54 years old.  I knew that he looked tough, was the National Champion, had the hands of Stone, and had knocked Ric Flair out on television.  It seemed like he had Flair's number and Tully's number and he was more convincing to me than Wahoo, Buddy Landell, and a lot of the other contenders at the time.

I listed Ronnie over other challengers of the time like Magnum and Nikita because looking back on it, I thought he had more matches and better chemistry with Flair.  I could have listed Sting, but I thought their matches were overrated.  I thought about Steamboat because their 2 falls match in New Orleans at the Clash may be the best match I've ever seen, but I never really took him as a serious threat to the title after the way he had left the WWF until he actually won the title.



UltraBB 1.172 Copyright © 2007-2013 Data 1 Systems