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katook



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Okay guys,I think many of you may know I work as a refree for what I consider the best Indy Fed in North Carolina,the MWF out of Lincolnton (Yeah,I'm partial,so what?),but we had our end of Summer Supershow "ONSLAUGHT" tonight,and my first 2 matches were,sheall we say,total clusterfucks.

The first match was supposed to go for 7-8 minutes back and forth,with 2 false finishes and then the pin when "Redneck Jason" hit the spear on his opponent,"Knockout Hiroshima",who is really one of the regular guys under the hood. 

 They went for maybe 2 minutes max when Rednck hit the spear and Knockout didn't try to kick out as planned,unknown to me he couldn't see a thing from under the hood and couldn't breathe so they decided to go home early,problem was what about the flase finishes and going 7-8 minutes? 

FUCK!!! :X  So I stopped at the count of 2 like a complete dumbass,before starting the count over again and going to 3,clearly a ref screwup to the crowd,they were yelling at me calling me blind and stuff like that,but at least the guys weren't pissed off about it when we got there.

Then it got even more fucked up in my second match,it was an "ironman" 30 minute match,was supposed to go right to the wire with the heel winning when Knockout (him again) distracted Mikado (the good guy) and Wolfe (heel) hit him a low blow from behind while I was yelling at him to get his ass out of there,of course then the blind ref turns and makes the 1-2-3.

So,we start the match,all seems well,each guy Mikado goes up 2-1 in falls,then gets a near fall,clearly a 2 1/2 count,but the damn announcer (his first and hopefully last time announcing the decisions) calls it another fall,3-1 Mikado and it was supposed to end at 2-2 before the run in. 

DOUBLE FUCK!!!:X:X   so to try to get things back on track now we have to have Wolfe,the heel,take 2 quickies on the top babyface just to get things right,so we do the old pin with feet on the ropes for leverage (I can be blind when I need to),then the next fall I miss Mikados feet on the ropes so it's tied 3-3.

Okay,we get through it,but now all the heat is on me,the stupid incompetent referee,and I'm supposed to be invisible,it's about the blowoff to a long feud here,in a match those 2 guys specifically asked for me to be the referre,but we'll get through it.

Now we have less things on an even keel,let's go the finish,but every single time there was a near fall the announcer kept changing who had how many falls or whatever,to the point where I had to ask both wrestlers who had how many falls and who was winning,and none of us even knew,it was a real clusterfuck until the finish,where it was supposed to be Wolfe getting the pin to win by 1 fall,but because of the fuck ups,what should have been the finish was anounced as having "tied" the thing,so we had to do another 1-2-3 to end the damn thing!!

TRIPLE FUCK!!!:X:X:X  End result is we had to make one of our top guys look weak,make one of our top heels look weak,and make me look like a damn heel ref because of 3 "blind ass referee" spots in one lousy match,only 1 of them  planned,that being the finish.

Anyways,that's my rant,I'm frustrated as Hell at how things went,luckily none of the guys were pissed off at yours truly,but what the Hell,you live and learn,it's wrestling and shit happens.

Anybody else here had any or seen any of these kinds of clusterfucks,and if so please share,it's allways fun to poke fun at stuff like this,unless you're right in the middle of it,that is.

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You have to just shake it off man. I used to referee along time ago. And the first rule is, if their shoulders are on the mat, count them out!!! It's their responsibility to kick out not yours. If you stop the count, then all of the heat goes on you. Thats how I was brought into the business, and it still holds true today.

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Hammer,that's what I allways thought,too,but some of the guys here (MWF) say to do that,ref like it's a shoot,others say never to do that,and I'm a new referee so I wasn't sure what to do.  What I decided,and what I told all the guys was that from now on if I get to 3 I get to 3,simple as that,we can deal with it in the locker room later,but I'm counting 3 and calling for the bell.  Would have done that anyways but it was a supershow for us and Redneck Jason is new,too,and works his ass off and IMHO deserved more than 1-2 minutes of ring time.

What really got me was the second match,and how much of a clusterfuck it was.Those guys have had one of the hottest feuds in recent memory and both guys have mentored me in the ring and specifically asked for me to be their referee because they felt they could trust me,and then this happened.  I don't mind crowd heat if I play the blind deaf and dumb referee,but had to do it 3 times and it took away from their match,and I feel awful about it,all 3 of us really wanted to put a beatdown on the announcer dude,but what can you do?

Anyways,in 2 more weeks I'll be at it again and I hope to regain some of my in ring confidence,they say if you fall of a horse you have to get back on him,so that's what I'll do.

Last edited on Sun Sep 11th, 2011 12:43 pm by katook

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see that is one of the problems wrong in the USA, a pro wrest ref can legally drive a semi, when they are blind as a bat  :)


It sounds like the wrestlers failed to convey to you the changes they were doing, thats not on you

I went to an EWF show in Indiana once, and the clusterfucks were so bad due to ref's not knowing what the fuck was going on, I thought that they just grabbed some schmuck off the street to be ref.  In one match the ref counted 3, even though the guy kicked out at 1, and another time the ref counted out someone when both were already in the ring at 8 and wasn't even looking towards the wrestlers when making the count.  Needless to say, I never went to another EWF show

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Mike,if one of us did something like what you described he would get his ass kicked in the back,maybe not literally get a beating but he would get pushed around a bit,chewed out,and would not be allowed back in the ring.

We're a small fed that goes every 2 weeks allways in the same place but we have a loyal crowd and even though none of the guys are ever going to make big time we take pride in what gets put out there on the shows and the guys take it very seriously,we do oldschool family type wrestling,very little hardcore and no profanity allowed,I'm just bummed by how bad it went in those 2 matches,but it is what it is.

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Couldn't you just pop out of the ring and tell the idiot announcer that you had not counted 3 that one time?

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The rule in WWE was always to ref like a shoot, and then that young ref Wes someone reffed like a shoot and counted 3 when the guy in ECW forgot to kick out and he was fired.  So the new rule is to ref like a shoot unless someone in the back decides that you shouldn't after the fact.  So you should ref like you're a mind-reader.

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If you end up looking like a heel ref, you should at least twirl your mustache to play along.

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maybe they can make this into an angle, you should run it by them

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mike3775 wrote: maybe they can make this into an angle, you should run it by them

This would only work if katook had donned a glitter-covered Stormtrooper helmet and fallen through a wall.



 

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Yes, at an NWF show (the promotion that was featured on the National Geographic channel).

Chris Candido was supposed to go on first, but didn't show up until 90 minutes into the show.  They rewrote the main event in mid stream to be a 6 man tag.

The match was supposed to be a concession stand style brawl.  Well, one douchebag that thought he was so cool trying to talk carny (kner-zee in the ber-zack) took offense to some other guy's "offense" outside the ring and started fucking punching him in the back of the head.  This pissed off the other guy and they started shooting right in the middle of a crowd that was mostly kids. Real smart.  Everyone breaks character and breaks up the fight.

They get broken up, and then the guy starts cursing his head off at Johnny Falco (the promoter).  "Fuck you, this is bullshit, fuck off.  Blah blah..."  The guy then walks out on the match, and they go on like this never happened 3 on 2.

it was the weirdest thing I ever saw at a show.

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I was at a show just outside Omaha a few years back, having driven up with some of the guys we used here in KC. The ref was this kid who was the brother of the promoter. He kept on fucking things up match after match. One of the KC guys after the ref had screwed up 2 or 3 of his spots by being in the wrong position, got fed up and yelled something to the extent of "will you stop fucking around and get in position" The ref said something back to him, and my guy just slapped him with a backhand. Ref just jumped out of the ring and ran to the back....never returned....They just sent someone else out for the rest of the show.

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Katook, good to hear that you are healthy enough to do what you enjoy.

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kargol wrote: Couldn't you just pop out of the ring and tell the idiot announcer that you had not counted 3 that one time?

Yeah, first thing I thought of to do as well. Just go over and get the announcer in line.

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carpetbeggar wrote: kargol wrote: Couldn't you just pop out of the ring and tell the idiot announcer that you had not counted 3 that one time?

Yeah, first thing I thought of to do as well. Just go over and get the announcer in line.

Yeah, sic Tito on that dumb fucker.



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