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Watching testing at Daytona on Speed right now... I can't wait until the season starts. I think it will be Denny Hamlins year this time.

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Of course, it seems like it's the Danica Patrick show so far... they are gonna burn her out with a lot of fans talking about her all the time. (see Cena, John; Favre, Brett; or Tebow, Tim as examples)

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nah, Denny had his shot 2 years ago and blew it, he'll never run that good again..he's a mental basketcase, seriously..

I think Carl could have another good year, assuming he starts off well..if they start off in a rut it could go all downhill fast, but still...

btw, 206+ today at Daytona, loving it!

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Married Jo wrote: nah, Denny had his shot 2 years ago and blew it, he'll never run that good again..he's a mental basketcase, seriously..

I think Carl could have another good year, assuming he starts off well..if they start off in a rut it could go all downhill fast, but still...

btw, 206+ today at Daytona, loving it!

I root for Carl usually, but I think he will have an off year, then come back in 2013

They wont have these speeds in a few weeks, NASCAR will slow them down.

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stone2k wrote:


They wont have these speeds in a few weeks, NASCAR will slow them down.



normally I would agree with you, but I'm not so sure this time..Nascar actually gave them a BIGGER plate this morning, like a LOT bigger, they NEVER do that..I think Nascar is to the point they know people want to see speed and they gotta do something to get the fanbase fired up again..

I'll say this, they might slow them down, but I'll bet it won't be much under 200, and not the 184 or so they were running a few years ago..

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stone2k wrote: Of course, it seems like it's the Danica Patrick show so far... they are gonna burn her out with a lot of fans talking about her all the time. (see Cena, John; Favre, Brett; or Tebow, Tim as examples)

I don't know, Dale Jr. never has gotten burned out and he had about the same fanfare as Danica.

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martini wrote: stone2k wrote: Of course, it seems like it's the Danica Patrick show so far... they are gonna burn her out with a lot of fans talking about her all the time. (see Cena, John; Favre, Brett; or Tebow, Tim as examples)

I don't know, Dale Jr. never has gotten burned out and he had about the same fanfare as Danica.

Dale Jr. has better tits.

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As I've mentioned before, I've always had some interest in Nascar, but never followed it like I do with the the "Big Four." Last season I tried to watch as many races as I could and am really looking forward to this coming season, more so than any other.
Is there any major changes for any of the drivers as far as pit crews that us "novices" should watch out for this season?
What are the chances of Jimmie Johnson bouncing back to reclaim the cup this season, or is he on the downward cycle now? How is his relationship with Chad Knaus?

Does Juan Pablo Montoya have a shot to make the chase?

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carpetbeggar wrote:
As I've mentioned before, I've always had some interest in Nascar, but never followed it like I do with the the "Big Four." Last season I tried to watch as many races as I could and am really looking forward to this coming season, more so than any other.
Is there any major changes for any of the drivers as far as pit crews that us "novices" should watch out for this season?
What are the chances of Jimmie Johnson bouncing back to reclaim the cup this season, or is he on the downward cycle now? How is his relationship with Chad Knaus?

Does Juan Pablo Montoya have a shot to make the chase?
I think this year could be Jimmie's last shot in a while to win a 6th title. The end of his run has already began, not losing the title last year, but Knaus is already starting to check out. He skipped the winter practices this week, he NEVER missed anything at the track before. Jimmie is a good driver, but Knaus was driven to be the best in the pits and his genius is what really got those 5 titles for that team. Same thing with Jeff Gordon, when Evernham finally left, Gordon's dominance started to slide..just the nature of the beast.

IMO Montoya doesn't have any chance because of his attitude, he has all the talent and has made the transformation from open wheel pretty good, he's not bad on the ovals, but damn, he's a hot head and just can't control himself..dude needs to realize just because you got rubbed a bit wrong 50 laps into a 500 mile race, that doesn't mean you have to immediately wreck yourself and the other guy in retaliation the next lap..

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Somebody needs to set up a NASCAR fantasy league on yahoo. I'll try to remain interested this year.

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clawmaster wrote: Somebody needs to set up a NASCAR fantasy league on yahoo. I'll try to remain interested this year.

Is it open yet?

I've never done the fantasy Nascar thing before...at least I don't remember. I will when it does, that is if no one else wants to "Commish" it. Who did it last year?

Who's all interested in playing?

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carpetbeggar wrote: clawmaster wrote: Somebody needs to set up a NASCAR fantasy league on yahoo. I'll try to remain interested this year.

Is it open yet?

I've never done the fantasy Nascar thing before...at least I don't remember. I will when it does, that is if no one else wants to "Commish" it. Who did it last year?

Who's all interested in playing?

We had a league here last year.

http://racing.fantasysports.yahoo.com/auto

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carpetbeggar wrote:
clawmaster wrote: Somebody needs to set up a NASCAR fantasy league on yahoo. I'll try to remain interested this year.

Is it open yet?

I've never done the fantasy Nascar thing before...at least I don't remember. I will when it does, that is if no one else wants to "Commish" it. Who did it last year?

Who's all interested in playing?
I'll play!

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clawmaster wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: clawmaster wrote: Somebody needs to set up a NASCAR fantasy league on yahoo. I'll try to remain interested this year.

Is it open yet?

I've never done the fantasy Nascar thing before...at least I don't remember. I will when it does, that is if no one else wants to "Commish" it. Who did it last year?

Who's all interested in playing?

We had a league here last year.

http://racing.fantasysports.yahoo.com/auto

I had a decent season going until about half way, then I couldn't pick good drivers to save my life, and I tanked. It was still fun enough to try again this season if we do it (It was fun enough to make me want to take over a Fantasy hockey team as well.)

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Married Jo wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
As I've mentioned before, I've always had some interest in Nascar, but never followed it like I do with the the "Big Four." Last season I tried to watch as many races as I could and am really looking forward to this coming season, more so than any other.
Is there any major changes for any of the drivers as far as pit crews that us "novices" should watch out for this season?
What are the chances of Jimmie Johnson bouncing back to reclaim the cup this season, or is he on the downward cycle now? How is his relationship with Chad Knaus?

Does Juan Pablo Montoya have a shot to make the chase?
I think this year could be Jimmie's last shot in a while to win a 6th title. The end of his run has already began, not losing the title last year, but Knaus is already starting to check out. He skipped the winter practices this week, he NEVER missed anything at the track before. Jimmie is a good driver, but Knaus was driven to be the best in the pits and his genius is what really got those 5 titles for that team. Same thing with Jeff Gordon, when Evernham finally left, Gordon's dominance started to slide..just the nature of the beast.

IMO Montoya doesn't have any chance because of his attitude, he has all the talent and has made the transformation from open wheel pretty good, he's not bad on the ovals, but damn, he's a hot head and just can't control himself..dude needs to realize just because you got rubbed a bit wrong 50 laps into a 500 mile race, that doesn't mean you have to immediately wreck yourself and the other guy in retaliation the next lap.

I agree 100 percent with the first part.

I mostly agree with the second part, but I think he will end up in the chase, just not really in contention for the title .

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martini wrote: stone2k wrote: Of course, it seems like it's the Danica Patrick show so far... they are gonna burn her out with a lot of fans talking about her all the time. (see Cena, John; Favre, Brett; or Tebow, Tim as examples)

I don't know, Dale Jr. never has gotten burned out and he had about the same fanfare as Danica.

Back then, Gordon was getting just as much press, and I think he burnt out a lot of fans, and many fans jumped at the chance to be Jr. fans, some just so they had someone to root for against Gordon.

I also think Dale Jr's situation is way different as well. Many NASCAR fans have watched him grow up, and will root for him no matter how he does. He is almost family to a lot of his fans, and they want to hear about him, IMO enough to still warrant all the press coverage he gets.


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Jeff was mainly seen as a carpetbagger, while Dale Jr. was a good ol' Southern boy who happened to be the heir apparent to NASCAR royalty. He got a pass for a long time because of how tragically his father died (and having battles with the evil stepmother), and it wasn't really until the last couple of years of him doing little with all the resources money can buy did he finally start getting some tough questions thrown his way.

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sek69 wrote:  (and having battles with the evil stepmother),.


He won that PR war, but now his daddy's race team is just part of a name at this point with all the partners and mergers... I wish she sold it to Jr and his sister.

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Married Jo wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
clawmaster wrote: Somebody needs to set up a NASCAR fantasy league on yahoo. I'll try to remain interested this year.

Is it open yet?

I've never done the fantasy Nascar thing before...at least I don't remember. I will when it does, that is if no one else wants to "Commish" it. Who did it last year?

Who's all interested in playing?
I'll play!

For those of you interested in fantasy leagues, NASCAR.com usually has a bunch of free fantasy games to play that have great prizes (trip to Hall of Fame induction ceremony, $10,000, trip to awards banquet, etc.).

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stone2k wrote: martini wrote: stone2k wrote: Of course, it seems like it's the Danica Patrick show so far... they are gonna burn her out with a lot of fans talking about her all the time. (see Cena, John; Favre, Brett; or Tebow, Tim as examples)

I don't know, Dale Jr. never has gotten burned out and he had about the same fanfare as Danica.

Back then, Gordon was getting just as much press, and I think he burnt out a lot of fans, and many fans jumped at the chance to be Jr. fans, some just so they had someone to root for against Gordon.

I also think Dale Jr's situation is way different as well. Many NASCAR fans have watched him grow up, and will root for him no matter how he does. He is almost family to a lot of his fans, and they want to hear about him, IMO enough to still warrant all the press coverage he gets.



Jeff Gordon was a very polarizing figure in NASCAR. Really the first well-spoken sponsor's golden boy.

New NASCAR fans loved him. Old ones hated him.

Had little to do with Dale Jr. and more to do with the way Gordon was presented. He was the first one not to be a "good ole boy."

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Gordon got the Rocky Maivia heat.  Dale Sr the Steve Austin pop.  Basically, in NASCAR, as in the WWF, the audience turned heel.

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Snackcake Slashers are in...

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The Bootleggers are in for a second season.

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First pics are out of the 2013 Ford Fusion that will be racing in Cup next year. My friend that is an engineer for Roush told me last year that if you liked old-school Nascar and wanted them to get back to the cars LOOKING like the stock cars like they are doing in Nationwide then we would love this new car. He spoke real highly of it so I've been anxiously waiting for these pics. From what I can see so far in these pictures, he was right, they REALLY did a great job on this car.





Chevy, Dodge and Toyota are gonna have to step up and come up with something that looks this good..

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It does look like the Fusion...

... but it is still a Fusion.


The Mustang in the Nationwide looks cool IMO.


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I LOVE the Fusions...if my wife and I were going to get a new car these days it'd probably be a Fusion. We're a Ford family, always have been. But the new Fusion I think looks even better than the older ones, I personally LOVE the fact that Ford decided to stick with the new Fusion in Cup and leave the Mustang in Nationwide. STILL can't figure out why the idiots at GM just kept the Impala in NW instead of pushing the Camaro in there, IMO they are losing just guaranteed free marketing there...course, it is GM we're talking about...

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Married Jo wrote: I LOVE the Fusions...if my wife and I were going to get a new car these days it'd probably be a Fusion. We're a Ford family, always have been. But the new Fusion I think looks even better than the older ones, I personally LOVE the fact that Ford decided to stick with the new Fusion in Cup and leave the Mustang in Nationwide. STILL can't figure out why the idiots at GM just kept the Impala in NW instead of pushing the Camaro in there, IMO they are losing just guaranteed free marketing there...course, it is GM we're talking about...
When they stopped making the T-Bird, Ford lost me as a supporter... I'd drive an old one though.

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Better shots..and from what I've been told, THIS IS IT..this matches Nascar's templates for next year, other than a few minor tweaks, this is what we'll see on the track...









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They wrecked some of the shoot-out cars in practice a little bit ago. Tony Stewart, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch, Brad Howeveryouspellit , Jeff Gordon and AJ  Walladinger.

Tonight on Speed they have the drawing for the places in the shoot out.

Biggest news is NASCAR cut off the C-post of Jimmie Johnsons car and sent them to the lab... no penalties yet, but some are sure to come.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AhjpL2UdwJzBXeLAChs1TALov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-daytona500



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They went to Kurt Busch's garage stall and showed his backup car, since he's driving now for a low-funded team, they only have 1 fitted seat for him and it was in the primary car. So he's going to pretty much have to miss final practice while they take the seat and other parts of his wrecked car and bolt them into his backup.

It's gonna be a great season...:D:D:D

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I cannot imagine that paragon of virtue Chad Knaus and/or the 48 team getting caught cheating by NASCAR.  (wish we had a sarcasm button,that no good SOB should have been banned from NASCAR long ago)

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katook wrote: I cannot imagine that paragon of virtue Chad Knaus and/or the 48 team getting caught cheating by NASCAR.  (wish we had a sarcasm button,that no good SOB should have been banned from NASCAR long ago)

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. I love it it's totally old school NASCAR IMO.

I don't like Johnson at all, but I love the fact Knaus pushes it like they use to... and still should.

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KYLE MOTHERFUCKIN' BUSCH!!!

Displays of great driving like I saw tonight is why he is my favorite driver,when his heads in the game there is absolutely nobody better,it really is as simple as that.

Jeff Gordon tried like hell to take him out,ended up crashing himself,his teammate and about 5 other cars and took one scary ride himself,and it's pretty clear that unless the guys all calm down the Daytona 500 is going to be a wreckfest that anybody can win.

No more 2 car tandems,real racing is back,and I can't wait until next Sunday.

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katook wrote: KYLE MOTHERFUCKIN' BUSCH!!!

Displays of great driving like I saw tonight is why he is my favorite driver,when his heads in the game there is absolutely nobody better,it really is as simple as that.

Jeff Gordon tried like hell to take him out,ended up crashing himself,his teammate and about 5 other cars and took one scary ride himself,and it's pretty clear that unless the guys all calm down the Daytona 500 is going to be a wreckfest that anybody can win.

No more 2 car tandems,real racing is back,and I can't wait until next Sunday.

I liked the 2 car tandems and don't like the big packs at the super speedways, but that may just be me.

Gordons ride was scary IMO... he rode on his door for quite a bit before the barrel rolls... in the old days before they were more centered in the car, that wreck would have probably f'ed him up for the 500, but he was able to walk away.

I can't wait til the duals on Thursday!!!!

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I am also done with Steve Burns and Speeds Race Hub... to me, I swear they mention Danica and her Honey Badger comment every freaking night... way to glom on an old viral video and try to make it her thing Speed.

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I have mixed feelings about Danica Patrick,her presence in NASCAR at seems to be bringing a lot of publicity and new fans to the sport,and whether we like it or not she is one helluva racecar driver or she wouldn't be there,good looks or not.  I would venture to say that none of us here could even come close to doing what she does in a racecar.

On the other hand,it is a fact that being a good looking female is a large part of what fuels "Danica mania",and she does know that and takes full advantage of it,which is really a smart thing on her part,you work with what you have in this world to make ends meet,and she isn't doing anything anybody else would not do.

I do believe that if Danica were just plain Dan she would not yet have a ride in the top series and would be toiling in the trucks or the Nationwide series,but she has shown that she is willing to learn her craft instead of acting like the world owes her something like she did in Indy car where absolutely nothing was ever her fault,so we shall see,I'm withholding judgement on Danica as a stock car driver for now,but I wish her well.

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Holy fuck, was Kyle Busch's performance last night ever impressive. Both of the Hendrick golden boys spun him out, and he comes back with a dinged up car to win the race. Great pass on Stewart right at the finish to get it done too. Was really smart of him to push Stewart so far ahead of everyone else before trying to make the pass that there was no way he finished worse than second.

Hopefully everyone watched what was going on last night, and realized that you can't push the car in front of you on the left quarter panel anymore, otherwise the 500 is going to be a mess next Sunday.

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Last night was an awesome race - even though Kyle Busch won.

Anybody got an over/under for the number of cars that will still be running at the final lap of the Daytona 500? If the 500 is anything like last night's race, I bet that half of the field will be crashed out before the race is over.

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In the S & W fantasy NASCAR league, my two "A" drivers for Daytona are Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards. Not sure which one I'll start. I'll debate about it in my mind all week. 

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I'm saving Kyle for other races,Daytona is too much of a crapshoot.

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I am leaning towards picking all Fords, but I am going to wait until after the Duals and see who wrecked or not... we don't have to pick until  before the race for Daytona in the first week.

I agree, it is a crapshoot though.


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katook wrote: I have mixed feelings about Danica Patrick,her presence in NASCAR at seems to be bringing a lot of publicity and new fans to the sport,and whether we like it or not she is one helluva racecar driver or she wouldn't be there,good looks or not.  I would venture to say that none of us here could even come close to doing what she does in a racecar.

On the other hand,it is a fact that being a good looking female is a large part of what fuels "Danica mania",and she does know that and takes full advantage of it,which is really a smart thing on her part,you work with what you have in this world to make ends meet,and she isn't doing anything anybody else would not do.

I do believe that if Danica were just plain Dan she would not yet have a ride in the top series and would be toiling in the trucks or the Nationwide series,but she has shown that she is willing to learn her craft instead of acting like the world owes her something like she did in Indy car where absolutely nothing was ever her fault,so we shall see,I'm withholding judgement on Danica as a stock car driver for now,but I wish her well.

She's a pretty good driver, but there's at least a few women racers in the developmental rungs of NASCAR who will probably never get 1/4th the chance she gets because they aren't as good looking and/or as willing to flaunt their tits for PR.

Hell, Simona de Silvestro nearly burning alive in the Indy circuit (and attempting to just wrap up second degree burns and drive afterward) should have gotten her more pub than Danica's latest lame GoDaddy ad, but as far as I know there's no glamor pix of her anywhere.

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sek69 wrote: She's a pretty good driver, but there's at least a few women racers in the developmental rungs of NASCAR who will probably never get 1/4th the chance she gets because they aren't as good looking and/or as willing to flaunt their tits for PR.


 

She really doesn't have any tits to flaunt unless she's recently bought some.

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Tony Stewart won the first Dual race... Danica was in a bad crash during the final lap. It looked terrible, but thankfully she is ok.


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Matt Kenseth takes the second duel.

Lots of cars overheating it seems, especially after pit stops.

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From yahoo.com



The field for the 54Daytona International Speedway.
Row 1 - Carl Edwards and Greg Biffle - Roush Fenway Racing teammates Edwards and Biffle captured the front row on Sunday, February 19th; neither driver has won the Daytona 500.
Row 2 - Tony Stewart and Matt Kenseth - Stewart, the 2011 Sprint Cup champ, has won other races at Daytona, but never the 500. Kenseth was the 2009 winner of the Daytona 500.

Row 3 - Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Regan Smith - Earnhardt Jr. won the "Great American Race" in 2004. Smith finished seventh in last year's 500 after starting fifth.
Row 4 - Marcos Ambrose and Jimmie Johnson - Ambrose's best 500 finish was 17th in 2009. Johnson won the Daytona 500 in 2006, giving Hendrick Motorsports its sixth win in the race.
Row 5 - Michael McDowell and Elliott Sadler - McDowell and his teammates finished third in this year's Rolex 24 at Daytona. Sadler finished second in the 2002 Daytona 500 while driving for Wood Brothers Racing.
Row 6 - Robby Gordon and Joey Logano - Gordon's best Daytona 500 finish was sixth in 2003. Logano finished third in last year's July race at Daytona.
Row 7 - Jeff Burton and Kyle Busch - Burton won the pole for the 2006 Daytona 500. Busch showed some skill as he clinched the victory in the 2012 Bud Shootout on February 18th, saving the #18 twice from certain doom.
Row 8 - AJ Allmendinger and Jeff Gordon - Allmendinger already has one win at Daytona this year, in the 50th running of the Rolex 24 at Daytona in January. Gordon has three wins on the high banks of Daytona: 1997, 1999 and 2005.
Row 9 - Kevin Harvick and Ryan Newman - Harvick won the 2007 Daytona 500, six years to the day of his predecessor Dale Earnhardt's death at the track. Newman won the 500 in 2008 as a member of Penske Racing.
Row 10 - Jamie McMurray and Kasey Kahne - in 2010, McMurray won both the Daytona 500 and Brickyard 400. Kahne's best Daytona 500 finish is seventh, in both 2007 and 2008.
Row 11 - Ricky Stenhouse Jr. and Mark Martin - Stenhouse Jr., 2011 Nationwide Series champ, starts just his second Sprint Cup race. Martin finished second to Harvick in 2007, one of the closest finishes in Daytona 500 history at 0.020 seconds.
Row 12 - Brad Keselowski and Dave Blaney - Keselowski has made just two starts in the 500, with finishes of 36th and 29th. Blaney's best 500 finish was 14th in 2005.
Row 13 - David Ragan and Martin Truex Jr. - Ragan earned his first Cup Series win in the July race in Daytona last year. Truex Jr. won the pole for the 2009 Daytona 500 and had a career-best finish of sixth one year later.
Row 14 - Aric Almirola and Kurt Busch - Almirola finished 30th in his only previous Daytona 500 start in 2009. Busch has finished second in the 500 twice: 2005 and 2008.
Row 15 - Danica Patrick and Clint Bowyer - this will be Patrick's first Sprint Cup Series start. Bowyer finished fourth in the 500 twice (2009 and 2010).
Row 16 - Denny Hamlin and Bobby Labonte - Hamlin won the Bud Shootout at Daytona in his rookie year, 2006. Labonte swept the pole positions for both Daytona races in 1998, finishing second in both races.
Row 17 - David Gilliland and Joe Nemechek - Gilliland finished third in the 2011 Daytona 500. Nemechek finished sixth in the 2004 Daytona 500, his best finish at the track.
Row 18 - Juan Pablo Montoya and Casey Mears - Montoya finished sixth in last year's Daytona 500. Mears finished second in the 2006 Daytona 500.
Row 19 - Paul Menard and David Reutimann - Menard has four previous Daytona 500 starts with a best finish of ninth in 2011. Reutimann finished fifth in the 2010 Daytona 500, his best finish to date.
Row 20 - Landon Cassill and Trevor Bayne - this will be Cassill's first Daytona 500 start. Bayne made history as the youngest winner of the Daytona 500 when he shocked the field in 2011.
Row 21 - David Stremme and Tony Raines - this is Stremme's first Daytona 500 since 2009. Raines starts his first Daytona 500 since 2007.
Row 22 - Terry Labonte - Labonte makes his 30th start in the "Great American Race" this year.

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Row 7 - Jeff Burton and Kyle Busch - Burton won the pole for the 2006 Daytona 500. Busch showed some skill as he clinched the victory in the 2012 Bud Shootout on February 18th, saving the #18 twice from certain doom.

My 2 favorite drivers,FWIW.:)

I wonder if there is an over/under on how many laps Terry Labonte bothers to run this time before parking for the day,as he parked for no reason at all in the 150's yesterday after a whopping 12 whole laps.  Now let it be said I like Labonte and was a fan of his when he was a full time driver back in the day,but the whole "past champions" provisional that he took to get an undeserving part time team into the race is just a bunch of bullshit in my book and deprives full time drivers or race teams the chance to compete,and quite frankly waters down the field,but I guess it's NASCARs show they can hoojigger it however they want to.

Also wondering if there is an over/under on how long they go before the first crash,and how long before "the big one",you have to know they are both going to happen,it's just a matter of when and to whom.

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Row 7 - Jeff Burton and Kyle Busch

I wonder if there is an over/under on how many laps Terry Labonte bothers to run this time before parking for the day,as he parked for no reason at all in the 150's yesterday after a whopping 12 whole laps.  Now let it be said I like Labonte and was a fan of his when he was a full time driver back in the day,but the whole "past champions" provisional that he took to get an undeserving part time team into the race is just a bunch of bullshit in my book and deprives full time drivers or race teams the chance to compete,and quite frankly waters down the field,but I guess it's NASCARs show they can hoojigger it however they want to.


Terry will run the entire race Sunday, or at least until something happens to his car. He parked it yesterday because there was NO REASON to stay out there. He was locked into the race, his team doesn't have a lot of money, it would be damned foolish to stay out there and try to win a meaningless race and possibly destroy your car when you didn't have to when you aren't one of the major teams with unlimited funds and equipment..

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Yeah, NASCAR fucked the 125s with the 36 franchises.  Instead of racing for 30 spots in the 500 everyone was racing for 2 per race...

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Figured I'd share this. It's a comparison of the 2012 Cup Fusion vs next year's Cup Fusion..my buddy John worked and help design this thing, I said it before but he told me for a year "This is the real deal" and the pictures looked good but seeing it here, MAN this is a sweet ride. Next year is going to be a LOT of fun, we're gonna have some real brand competition back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vNdRkFxPJJY

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What that means is that if Ford starts to win too many races the Chevy guys will whine,and if Chevy starts to win too much the Ford guys will whine,then the Toyota gang and the Dodge gang will want to whine and NASCAR will start changing the rulebook every 3rd week or so.

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katook wrote:
What that means is that if Ford starts to win too many races the Chevy guys will whine,and if Chevy starts to win too much the Ford guys will whine,then the Toyota gang and the Dodge gang will want to whine and NASCAR will start changing the rulebook every 3rd week or so.
GOOD. That's what I want, that's what made Nascar great up until about 10 years ago..the manufacturer whining rocks!

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Danica won the pole position for tomorrow's Nationwide race. Color me impressed, not something I thought she could realistically do.

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I would like to have Danica sitting on my pole position!!!:D heh heh heh

Danica can drive a racecar,people can bitch about her taking advantage of her looks and gender and they may or may not be justified,but if you watch her race she can drive the hell out of a car,and she rarely causes wrecks and stays out of trouble unless she gets caught up in someone elses doings.

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Danica's a good driver and nothing more.  If it weren't for her looks she wouldn't be getting near the press she does.  Even with a decided weight advantage in open wheel racing she's won 1 race in her IRL career and that one was a fluke.  I see her having real trouble running a full NASCAR schedule.  I think she'll be worn out by the end of the year and lucky to see the top 20.

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JOpiela wrote:  Even with a decided weight advantage in open wheel racing she's won 1 race in her IRL career and that one was a fluke. 

I dunno, HCN was running the same strategy and couldn't make it work.  Danica has significant race smarts on ovals, she can be uncompetitive all day and when you see the results she's 4th or so.  Lousy on road courses though.

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OK, that's two teams that failed using lighter weight drivers.  At best she'd come in top 10 but rarely challenged for wins much less championships.  Now she has to steer a heavier car in constant traffic for a whole year.  She'll also be a whole lot worse on the road courses in NASCAR.  She was great for sponsors in IRL because she could be near the top but I don't think her good luck will transfer to NASCAR.  Her best bet was to stay in open wheel racing.
kargol wrote: JOpiela wrote:  Even with a decided weight advantage in open wheel racing she's won 1 race in her IRL career and that one was a fluke. 

I dunno, HCN was running the same strategy and couldn't make it work.  Danica has significant race smarts on ovals, she can be uncompetitive all day and when you see the results she's 4th or so.  Lousy on road courses though.

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JOpiela wrote:
Danica's a good driver and nothing more.  If it weren't for her looks she wouldn't be getting near the press she does.  Even with a decided weight advantage in open wheel racing she's won 1 race in her IRL career and that one was a fluke.  I see her having real trouble running a full NASCAR schedule.  I think she'll be worn out by the end of the year and lucky to see the top 20.


Pretty sure the IRL changed their weight rules a few years ago...a few guys complained after Danica's first or second year so they made each car meet a minimum weight with the driver in it, just like Nascar does..

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Her best bet was to stay in open wheel racing.



Eh..if she wanted to win maybe one more race, yes. If she wants to rake in the big bucks and really make a REAL name for herself in racing, she did exactly what she needed to do, come to Nascar. When it comes to motorsports in America, Indycar is like some Indy fed that gets some buzz from the smarks but nobody else gives a flying shit. I love all forms of racing but IRL/Indycar is a blip on the radar. They have ONE RACE that draws viewers, and that's the Indy 500 and it only gets people to watch because of the tradition. Other than the Indy race they are struggling to crack 200K in television viewers for all their other races. Her coming to Nascar is exactly what she needed to do and it's exactly what Nascar needs, she's going to bring in a lot more viewers and fans, and that's a win/win for everyone.

Also, she is working with great people and she is going to get better. She's never going to be a consistent winner but it wouldn't shock me to see her eventually win a Nationwide race, especially now that a lot of the Cup guys have sort of bowed out of the series. The only thing a woman has ever done in Nascar up till now was Shawna Robinson winning a pole at Atlanta like 20 years ago, ANYTHING Danica does is going to be groundbreaking in Nascar...

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I still have no idea who to choose for tomorrow... it is such a total crapshoot. In the Nationwide race today with the big wreck at the end, the winner Buescher was like 10th or 11th at the time.

There was one bad wreck in the truck race yesterday that I saw before I went to work where on dude hit the inside retaining wall so hard the truck revolved 360 degrees about 4-5 feet off the ground...  (around 1:20 in the below video)






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Married Jo wrote: JOpiela wrote:
Her best bet was to stay in open wheel racing.



Eh..if she wanted to win maybe one more race, yes. If she wants to rake in the big bucks and really make a REAL name for herself in racing, she did exactly what she needed to do, come to Nascar. When it comes to motorsports in America, Indycar is like some Indy fed that gets some buzz from the smarks but nobody else gives a flying shit. I love all forms of racing but IRL/Indycar is a blip on the radar. They have ONE RACE that draws viewers, and that's the Indy 500 and it only gets people to watch because of the tradition. Other than the Indy race they are struggling to crack 200K in television viewers for all their other races. Her coming to Nascar is exactly what she needed to do and it's exactly what Nascar needs, she's going to bring in a lot more viewers and fans, and that's a win/win for everyone.

Also, she is working with great people and she is going to get better. She's never going to be a consistent winner but it wouldn't shock me to see her eventually win a Nationwide race, especially now that a lot of the Cup guys have sort of bowed out of the series. The only thing a woman has ever done in Nascar up till now was Shawna Robinson winning a pole at Atlanta like 20 years ago, ANYTHING Danica does is going to be groundbreaking in Nascar...
Eh... She may have NEEDED to come to NASCAR to make the BIG money but she doesn't have the talent to do it.  Her best chance to make money was to stay in open wheel.  NASCAR doesn't need another open wheel failure to bring it back and she also waited far too long to make the switch.  If you want to look at the drivers who made a  winning transition from open wheel to NASCAR her chances look even worse.  There are three drivers to consider.  A.J. Foyt (who is probably the greatest race car driver in history), Mario Andretti (top 10 of the greatest drivers in history) and Tony Stewart (making his name as one of the top drivers in history).  All of them also had huge success in open wheel before winning in NASCAR.  Patrick has never been a winner in IRL and doesn't have the time to learn how to drive in NASCAR.  It doesn't matter who she has to teach her she isn't good enough.  She couldn't win in open wheel with a great team and teachers and she won't win in NASCAR.  With the way things are now she'll be lucky to even have sponsorship in 3 or 4 years.

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JOpiela wrote: If you want to look at the drivers who made a  winning transition from open wheel to NASCAR her chances look even worse.  There are three drivers to consider.  A.J. Foyt (who is probably the greatest race car driver in history), Mario Andretti (top 10 of the greatest drivers in history) and Tony Stewart (making his name as one of the top drivers in history). 

Tim Richmond?  Montoya?  And that's not counting the sprintcar grads like Gordon and so on (and CART failures like Schrader).  Let alone other one-offers like Dan Gurney and Johnny Rutherford that won NASCAR races and others from the fifties like Al Keller and Johnny Mantz.

That's certainly more than those that made the trip from stock to Indy successfully.  Curtis Turner couldn't handle Indianapolis, Cale did the thick end of eff all, Neil Bonnett had a couple of DNQs.  You're basically looking at Dick Rathmann, Paul Goldsmith, Marshall Teague, Bobby Allison and Leeroy Yarbrough who moved from NASCAR to Indycar and made a decent go of it.  And none of them won races.  (There is an argument that Andretti started in stocks though.)

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Richmond began racing stocks at just about the same time as open wheel.  Montoya was a champion in open wheel and he struggled to adjust.   Although I should have included him in list, he still only has 2 wins and finished in the final top 10 only once. I didn't include Gordon because he was in stock cars by 18 and he never ran the INDY style cars.  Gordon also ran the Busch series for two years to learn the cars before running the Cup schedule.  However he was a great open wheel driver before turning to stock cars so that's 5 drivers.

Rutherford started in stocks and had his only NASCAR win before he ran an Indy car race.  You're right about it being no easier going from NASCAR to indy car.  Teague, Allison and Yarborough hardly made a descent go of it.  They ran in the Indy 500 but did any even finish the race?  I'm saying they are two vastly different types of racing and there are a handful of All-Time greats who had success running both regularly.  Someone can pop over for a race or two because they are a great driver.  It's fun to try something different but they are rarely competitive and even more rarely winners.

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Yarbrough came close to winning a race, I think he ran out of fuel while leading late on, but he was always a demon on the fastest tracks.  Bobby Allison was offered something permanent by Penske but preferred to run down south. 

Not all racing drivers make transitions between formulae, Fangio was never as good in sportscars as he was in Grands Prix because he was such a precise driver and liked to see where his wheels were trimming the kerbs.  Impossible with fared-in wheels.  But in many cases there was no need to make a transition, until Tony George fucked up Indycar the better market was CART so it was really up to NASCAR drivers to jump and most of them could not stand the shift.  And of course F1 is still bigger and better than both. 

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F1 may be bigger worldwide, but it's in no way better. I love ALL forms of racing, but nothing bores me more than F1..the only drama is in qualifying, other than that it's nothing but rolling computers with no passing..

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Allison had a contract with Penske to run the Indy 500 which he did twice.  His cars hardly turned any laps and he had to give up too many NASCAR races and the chance at too much money.  There was never any thought for him to run permanent for Penske.  I don't remember reading too much about LeeRoy in Indy car so I'll take your word there.  He was one hell of a driver.  Unless you had a top spot with a top team you weren't going to win and make more money in Indy car.   The few NASCAR drivers who could make the switch really had no reason to learn the different handling and racing style and still have little chance to make anymore money.   But I'm really not disputing anything you've posted and your posts back up what I say.  There are VERY few drivers that can change racing styles and be winners. 

Oh, and you're right about F1 having the best drivers.  Although it's tough to tell who is actually the best driver there because it's more about who has the most money backing them than who has the most talent.  Besides those things are more like jet planes on the ground than a car so it's even harder to transition to or from F1 anymore.

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Married Jo wrote: F1 may be bigger worldwide, but it's in no way better. I love ALL forms of racing, but nothing bores me more than F1..the only drama is in qualifying, other than that it's nothing but rolling computers with no passing..
I'd love to get into really following F1, but I'm like you, I can't stand watching racing where there's not much passing.

I'm starting to get really hyped up for the 500 now. Nothing in stock car racing excites me more than night racing under the lights, so now at 5PM EST I'm really, really looking forward to watching this tonight. That's why I enjoy watching the Truck Series so much because the majority of the races are Friday nights.

I'll be rooting for Montoya or Harvick to win it.

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Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

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stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.

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clawmaster wrote: stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.

What a drag eh? Sucks!

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carpetbeggar wrote:
clawmaster wrote: stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.

What a drag eh? Sucks!


Now they're saying a 7 pm start time tonight for the race, if it even happens at all today.

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cookie32723 wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
clawmaster wrote: stone2k wrote: Looks like a noon race tomorrow.

I really wanted to watch the race today but good old Mother Nature intervened.

What a drag eh? Sucks!


Now they're saying a 7 pm start time tonight for the race, if it even happens at all today.

They could end up with huge ratings if they get this race in tonight.

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Let's get it on!!!!!!

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Still a lot of people there who hung around the extra day.

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Big wreck on second lap... Jimmie Johnson took a bad hit... Kurt Busch, Danica and others also involved

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Ryan Newman loses a tire for the second caution at lap 12.

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In 2 weeks at Daytona, Kurt Busch has destroyed 3 Cup cars and 1 Nationwide car for Phoenix racing...James Finch may go broke hiring him at this pace..

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Married Jo wrote: In 2 weeks at Daytona, Kurt Busch has destroyed 3 Cup cars and 1 Nationwide car for Phoenix racing...James Finch may go broke hiring him at this pace..
I believe I heard they just have a handshake, not a contract... not sure if true though.

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yeah, I know Kurt is only driving for a percentage of race winnings with him, he doesn't have a salary..

Man, think about that, his being a real asshole finally cost him a LOT of money. BASE salary for a guy like him at Penske would be like $2-$3 million a year guaranteed then like 45% or so of race winnings, then a cut of souvenir sales. Even on an off year he was pulling in minimum $5 million a year...now he's probably taking a 50/50 split on race earnings.. :shock:

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Married Jo wrote: yeah, I know Kurt is only driving for a percentage of race winnings with him, he doesn't have a salary..

Man, think about that, his being a real asshole finally cost him a LOT of money. BASE salary for a guy like him at Penske would be like $2-$3 million a year guaranteed then like 45% or so of race winnings, then a cut of souvenir sales. Even on an off year he was pulling in minimum $5 million a year...now he's probably taking a 50/50 split on race earnings.. :shock:

You are right, his attitude has cost him so much. Souvenir sales are huge for these guys. When I'd go to New Hampshire when he first came up he almost always did 2 signings, once early in the weekend, then when the gates opened race day he was one of the few there every year on the Sunday. I'd guess most people in his line bought at least a 20 buck hat to have him sign, even if he wasn't their favorite, they still wanted something from a driver. That adds up quickly.


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What's funny is one of the main reasons he left Roush is that Roush keeps all souvenir money, he pays more in salary but doesn't cut in the drivers on the souvenirs and that pissed Kurt off and that's basically THE reason he left..now, over the last few years the few fans he has left are probably gone, I know the other year when I was at Charlotte there was NOBODY at his souvenir trailer..I bet he'd take that deal with Roush now..lol..

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$200.000 at half way point may make the middle of this race a little interesting.... DW stated he didn't even make that much when he won all those years ago.


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Married Jo wrote: What's funny is one of the main reasons he left Roush is that Roush keeps all souvenir money, he pays more in salary but doesn't cut in the drivers on the souvenirs and that pissed Kurt off and that's basically THE reason he left..now, over the last few years the few fans he has left are probably gone, I know the other year when I was at Charlotte there was NOBODY at his souvenir trailer..I bet he'd take that deal with Roush now..lol..

I didn't know that about Roush keeping the dough, like I stated he was there twice, even race day... I'd be ticked at all that lost dough, then being shoved out there for the dog and pony show when many drivers didn't even make one appearance at the merch trucks all weekend.

I agree he'd probably take that deal now.

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Well, they get appearance pay and all..trust me, none of them are hurting for money, the only guys that actually probably have a beef with that Roush deal would be guys like Junior and Danica and big names that are guaranteed HUGE merch sellers. Carl was one of those and that was one of the deals keeping him from signing so early last year but Ford kicked in stock and a personal services contract that made up the difference..the last numbers I heard with Carl was he's now getting around $7 million base pay a year and then a cut of his earnings and he also has personal sponsorship deals that pay off big..

That said though, saw where Forbes listed Junior making around $28 million last year, and probably over half that is just his souvenir cut..:shock:

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Jeff Gordon just blew up at lap 81 bringing out another caution.

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Jeff said his temperature gauge never fluctuated, and Kenseth said the EXACT same thing when he started overheating, said he thinks the gauge is broken..odd that Jeff would have the same problem..

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Married Jo wrote: Jeff said his temperature gauge never fluctuated, and Kenseth said the EXACT same thing when he started overheating, said he thinks the gauge is broken..odd that Jeff would have the same problem..
Especially when it's 2 different models of cars.

Terry Labonte just spun after trying to stay out for the half way bonus... Frankie Stoddard is his crew chief today, and he was always funny on the radio in New Hampshire every week, and was nice when I met him once. Good guy, and good racing mind IMO.

Still not sure if Marcos actually got into him.

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Anybody predicting a "big one" at halfway? So far it has been a bad night for Hendrick...

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yeah, if you were in a coma for 10 years and just turned Nascar back on this weekend, hearing Ward Burton in the truck race and Frankie CC'ing in the Cup series for Terry Labonte, you'd think nothing had really changed with those guys..lol..

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Married Jo wrote: yeah, if you were in a coma for 10 years and just turned Nascar back on this weekend, hearing Ward Burton in the truck race and Frankie CC'ing in the Cup series for Terry Labonte, you'd think nothing had really changed with those guys..lol..
Ward is another favorite of mine... another nice guy IMO when I met him.

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Biffle deserved that $200k for the halfway bonus, he's been the strongest car really all week...wish he'd have held on to get it..oh well, better to win the last lap than the middle..

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Carl is telling Bob on the radio he's losing fuel pressure, dropping down to 40, then 20..only on the backstretch..sounds like another gauge issue..now he says the engine is missing some...damnit..

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I wonder how many more cars would be running into the overheating issues if they ran yesterday when it was like in the 80's there... running at night has to be helping a little bit.

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Oh yeah, the cooler temps here at night are saving a LOT of engines...
BTW, Carl switched ignition boxes and now it's running fine..

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Hey Bowyer, welcome to Michael Waltrip racing..LMAO...

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Married Jo wrote: Hey Bowyer, welcome to Michael Waltrip racing..LMAO...
:D

Jeff Burton going to have to take a penalty for coming down a pit road that's closed.

It has to be worse to run it dry now with fuel injection, doesn't it?

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Elliott Sadler is having a lousy night. He caused Johnson's crash, now he is being bounced around like a pinball on pit road because he can't find his pit stall. He is really pissing away his opportunity to get back in Cup full-time.

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Married Jo wrote: Hey Bowyer, welcome to Michael Waltrip racing..LMAO...
:D

Jeff Burton going to have to take a penalty for coming down a pit road that's closed.

It has to be worse to run it dry now with fuel injection, doesn't it?
yeah, DW actually pointed it out, they have 3 pickups in the fuel tank now instead of just one in the old system, so if you run out now, you are TOTALLY out, it's not like you have a little left..

I'll have to ask my buddy about this, but I know I was always told in a street car not to run it totally out of gas because when you get down low a lot of debris and stuff in the bottom of your tank can clog your injectors and make them run spotty..

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Big Garea Fan wrote:
Elliott Sadler is having a lousy night. He caused Johnson's crash, now he is being bounced around like a pinball on pit road because he can't find his pit stall. He is really pissing away his opportunity to get back in Cup full-time.well, he's really not that great a driver, so this is typical of him..lol. The fact that he was in Harvick equipment in Nationwide last year and ran the entire season and never scored a win tells me all I need to know about him..

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Danica 39 laps down, but they still ride along with her... She is going to be the story at all 10 races she is in this year.

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Less than 50 laps left, but weather could be a factor.

Kenseth leading after earlier having a car look like Old Faithful

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Gotta give Nascar props, they really got the package right on these cars this race...old school pack racing, with a hint of the tandem stuff..best of both worlds..fun race so far. Not a lot of crazy stuff, but a lot of drama so far..

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Jr is running 2nd. Anybody think he could break the curse tonight?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Jr is running 2nd. Anybody think he could break the curse tonight?
He has as good a shot as anyone tonight... I think they will have at least one green/white/checkers run at the finish if the rain holds off.

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Montoya, GOOD LORD...seriously...

I'm not sure if they can go back to racing, that burning diesel fuel could probably eff that track up beyond a quick repair.. WOW...

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WTF? was JPM doing? How did that happen? 

I hope this doesn't fuck up the racetrack,it would be a shame for the race to end like this.

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That crash and blaze are just incredible. I agree the race is over. Between damage to the track from the fire and the danger of so much fuel residue on the pavement, it's hard to see how they'll get green again. Dave Blaney, who didn't pit, would be your unlikely winner if that comes to pass.

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That may be the craziest thing I have seen happen at a race.

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I don't think they can finish..about 10 years ago a gas tanker truck hit a bridge embankment here in Hickory and burned up and it ate the entire road away...this was of course smaller than that but that is just fuel that just burned for a good 5-10 min constantly on that section of track...this is seriously the craziest thing I've ever seen..

Just showed a section of the track...they MIGHT can restart, but I'm banking on them being red flagged at least an hour and there could be rain popping up..would be kind of cool to see Dave Blaney pull off a win for TBR..

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I hope they get this restarted... my fantasy guys are not doing too well, and I took Danica, so that pick crapped out.

Jeff Hammond is everywhere tonight, even up in the spotters stand... I like his new role.

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I can't believe Brad K. took his phone in the car with him.

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There's one hole I think...they may can get back to racing..they can patch any low spots, they've done it before..if the rain stays away, they'll finish this thing...I just can't believe that fire didn't melt that asphalt though..

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That track has a huge gash in it - I seriously doubt if they restart the race.

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stone2k wrote:
I can't believe Brad K. took his phone in the car with him.
they are all doing it now I think. During practice the other week Biffle drove like half a lap holding his phone at the window net filming and then tweeted the video..lol..

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I am glad that track worker is ok... that was a pretty big lick on his trailer and truck.

Dave Blaney is a good guy, but I think they can fix this and they will restart it.

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Big Garea Fan wrote:
That track has a huge gash in it - I seriously doubt if they restart the race.

they can patch a gash pretty easily. The only problem will be if the heat affected the stability of the asphalt and if it will start to crumble once they go over it..the holes and gashes are no problem to fix, bondo will fix that..

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I liked how they sent the cops out to stop Jr and the other drivers... looked like Brad took a picture of that.

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This is GREAT for Nascar...they are trending worldwide on twitter, even Dave Blaney is trending, this is going to be on every news and sports show tomorrrow..going from yesterday when it was rained out to now, I got a feeling the Nascar execs couldn't have scripted a better story than they are getting out of this..

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This is one of the most incredible thing I've ever seen in sports. First of all, what the hell was JPM doing? You'd like to think there really was a malfunction with the car considering he's a professional driver. Its been a good race so far and I think they're set up for a great finish if we get a green flag.

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Between last years points race coming down to the end, and this entertaining race in prime time to start the season,  NASCAR has to be pleased... I know I am.

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LOL... The Days of Thunder one is great.

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What a bizarre night,our local Fox affiliate broke in on the live race coverage to announce that longtime sports  anchor Rich Brenner has died of a heart attack just a few hours ago.

Folks in this area of NC were quite familiar with him as he was on the TV for over 20 years,what a goddamm crazy night of TV watching.

RIP Rich Brenner

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Wow Brad K has picked up 55,000 twitter followers since the red flag... lol

Uh-oh... there are raindrops.

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I kind of hope it doesn't start back and Blaney wins..I've always like Dave and he got screwed out of his points for this race when they sold them to Stewart and Danica..would be cool to see Baldwin and Blaney win this. They almost won at Talladega last year..

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I wouldn't mind seeing Blaney win,but not this way,folks would allways say he "didn't earn it", and I'm glad they'll get to finish up...........maybe.

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Well, there will probably be at least one more caution with a big wreck to make this race a little longer.

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Ok, who are ya picking to win this? My money is on Jr.

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Big Garea Fan wrote:
Ok, who are ya picking to win this? My money is on Jr.

I think Kenseth..strong car, plus, he's just so good at this stuff, he knows when to go and when to hang back..he's like a modern David Pearson..

That said, I would LIKE to see Ambrose, Almirola or Menard to win if one of my Roush guys doesn't, I have those guys in the race pool at work.. :D

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Still a crapshoot... they are gonna wreck


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Dammit... had Ambrose in the Fantasy League and the pool here.

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Ambrose is done for, his suspension is ruined..

just leaves me with Almirola and Menard...

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I am a fan of the side by side commercial breaks where you can see whats going on still.

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Wow - this has been an expensive night for Hendrick - Kahne is out

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Another big wreck with 13 to go... McMurray, Brad K and others involved... Edwards got a piece of it as well... Stewart was lucky and gets through it.

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stone2k wrote:
I am a fan of the side by side commercial breaks where you can see whats going on still.
IIRC Fox is going to use that for most of their races..not sure why they aren't doing it for this race but they probably will for the rest of them.

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I guess Stewart did get a little piece of it.

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There will be one more wreck at least

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stone2k wrote: There will be one more wreck at least

You called it.

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Damn - another wreck. I am never gonna get to bed...

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Another wreck with 4 to go... Newman, Rueteman, Stewart among others

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If there's any justice here, either Kenseth or The Biff will win..they have hands down the best cars, Biffle has the entire speedweeks...but I just know Jack's luck at Daytona and I don't have any faith that either of them can win this thing..

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Kenseth takes it, Jr second and the Biff 3rd

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I had Kenseth and the Biff in fantasy with Ambrose (13th)  and Danica(38th), so hopefully I am at least in the middle of the pack.

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I don't think I did too bad in the fantasy league this weekend:  Earnhardt,Burton,Harvick and Almirola were my guys.

Congrats to Kenseth,I'm not a Ford guy but Kenseth has long been a good clean driver and he was the car to beat.

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Only NASCAR driver I follow is Jeff Gordon, dont give a shit about any of the others.

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Montoya's car broke something. Just the way that thing snapped around so violently to put him into the safety truck, there's no way he would have done that himself.

Definitely an interesting race. WTF was Elliot Sadler doing on lap #2 anyway? You know someone fucked up when Kyle Busch is the voice of reason. :)

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katook wrote:

Congrats to Kenseth,I'm not a Ford guy but Kenseth has long been a good clean driver and he was the car to beat.


Ryan McGee from ESPN tweeted last night after the race and it's so true:

When @MattKenseth retires we're going to look at his resume and say, "Damn, he did all that?!"

Think about it, if someone came up to you and said "What current Nascar driver is a former Cup champion and 2-time winner of the Daytona 500?" I bet it would take you a few names before you guessed Kenseth..

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