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Rick Nash is the big name in play right now with a myraid of rumours about where He will land.

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Hemsky and Khabibulin are available here in Edmonton.

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Heard a.rumor today, my Wings are possibly looking to pick up another goalie, since they dont know how long Howard will be out. This McDonald guy they have is playing well, but nothing wrong w/an insurance policy either.

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Nash and Carter both look like they will be moved by Columbus.

Will Vancouver package off Schneider?

JVR from Philly is supposedly available, but I think he is out with a concussion.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Nash is the big name in play right now with a myraid of rumours about where He will land.
As far as Nash and the rumors with him going to the Rangers are Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a 1rst rounder for him, but then I heard too that they'd want some sort of combination of Dubinsky, Stepan, McDonough and Ansimov.
No fraking way I'd want any part of that deal being a Rangers fan. The Rangers have finally built a team through drafting well and trading for good, young talent, so I wouldn't want them to trade away their future for a bloated contract of a guy on the downswing of his career like Nash. If they can get him on the cheap though as far as trade bait, he may be worth it for the playoff run. How many years has he left on his contract and how much money is owing?

I think The Jackets would love to get rid of Jeff Carter also.

I'm watching TSN right now and McKenzie is saying L.A. is the best option for Nash. Who knows? Crawford is saying The Rangers.

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stingmark wrote: Heard a.rumor today, my Wings are possibly looking to pick up another goalie, since they dont know how long Howard will be out. This McDonald guy they have is playing well, but nothing wrong w/an insurance policy either.
We got this Stanley Cup winning goalie that's a real party animal.......

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the squared circle wrote: Nash and Carter both look like they will be moved by Columbus.

Will Vancouver package off Schneider?

JVR from Philly is supposedly available, but I think he is out with a concussion.

JVR is back as of today.

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carpetbeggar wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Nash is the big name in play right now with a myraid of rumours about where He will land.
As far as Nash and the rumors with him going to the Rangers are Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a 1rst rounder for him, but then I heard too that they'd want some sort of combination of Dubinsky, Stepan, McDonough and Ansimov.
No fraking way I'd want any part of that deal being a Rangers fan. The Rangers have finally built a team through drafting well and trading for good, young talent, so I wouldn't want them to trade away their future for a bloated contract of a guy on the downswing of his career like Nash. If they can get him on the cheap though as far as trade bait, he may be worth it for the playoff run. How many years has he left on his contract and how much money is owing?

I think The Jackets would love to get rid of Jeff Carter also.

I'm watching TSN right now and McKenzie is saying L.A. is the best option for Nash. Who knows? Crawford is saying The Rangers.

Don't rule out Vancouver in the Nash sweepstakes.

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I heard that Dan Hamhuis could be coming to Philly in a deal.

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carpetbeggar wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Nash is the big name in play right now with a myraid of rumours about where He will land.
As far as Nash and the rumors with him going to the Rangers are Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a 1rst rounder for him, but then I heard too that they'd want some sort of combination of Dubinsky, Stepan, McDonough and Ansimov.
No fraking way I'd want any part of that deal being a Rangers fan. The Rangers have finally built a team through drafting well and trading for good, young talent, so I wouldn't want them to trade away their future for a bloated contract of a guy on the downswing of his career like Nash. If they can get him on the cheap though as far as trade bait, he may be worth it for the playoff run. How many years has he left on his contract and how much money is owing?

I think The Jackets would love to get rid of Jeff Carter also.

I'm watching TSN right now and McKenzie is saying L.A. is the best option for Nash. Who knows? Crawford is saying The Rangers.


He has 6 more years at 7.8mm/year. No thanks.

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Watching paint dry will be more exciting than trade deadline day. The salary cap has killed all the fun, and the multiple good trades which used to happen that day. Now it's all about matching money when you swap, not just getting the player who can help you down the stretch.

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Chris OtL wrote:
Watching paint dry will be more exciting than trade deadline day. The salary cap has killed all the fun, and the multiple good trades which used to happen that day. Now it's all about matching money when you swap, not just getting the player who can help you down the stretch.


True. Another reason why I've lost interest from my peak. The Devils and their left-wing lock did more damage than anything though, IMO.

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HBF wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Nash is the big name in play right now with a myraid of rumours about where He will land.
As far as Nash and the rumors with him going to the Rangers are Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a 1rst rounder for him, but then I heard too that they'd want some sort of combination of Dubinsky, Stepan, McDonough and Ansimov.
No fraking way I'd want any part of that deal being a Rangers fan. The Rangers have finally built a team through drafting well and trading for good, young talent, so I wouldn't want them to trade away their future for a bloated contract of a guy on the downswing of his career like Nash. If they can get him on the cheap though as far as trade bait, he may be worth it for the playoff run. How many years has he left on his contract and how much money is owing?

I think The Jackets would love to get rid of Jeff Carter also.

I'm watching TSN right now and McKenzie is saying L.A. is the best option for Nash. Who knows? Crawford is saying The Rangers.


He has 6 more years at 7.8mm/year. No thanks.

Oh I agree, not saying I want him. I did just find out in Rangers chat I was just in that Nash is only 27. I thought he was like 33-34.

And Ted, yeah I really don't think The Rangers are at the top of the list for him and you're right he could very well end up in Van. What have you heard with who The Canucks would be willing to give up to get him?

I can see The Rangers trading Dubinsky for someone (not sure who) if they do make a trade. Also Marc Staal could be used as trade bait due to the fact that The Rangers did just fine without him for half the season. Plus he's only got 1 assist and is -4 in 19 games since returning at The Winter Classic. Can't find anything on his extended stats like hits and blocked shots at this moment though.

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Chris OtL wrote: Watching paint dry will be more exciting than trade deadline day. The salary cap has killed all the fun, and the multiple good trades which used to happen that day. Now it's all about matching money when you swap, not just getting the player who can help you down the stretch.

10-4 on that.

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carpetbeggar wrote:
HBF wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Nash is the big name in play right now with a myraid of rumours about where He will land.
As far as Nash and the rumors with him going to the Rangers are Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a 1rst rounder for him, but then I heard too that they'd want some sort of combination of Dubinsky, Stepan, McDonough and Ansimov.
No fraking way I'd want any part of that deal being a Rangers fan. The Rangers have finally built a team through drafting well and trading for good, young talent, so I wouldn't want them to trade away their future for a bloated contract of a guy on the downswing of his career like Nash. If they can get him on the cheap though as far as trade bait, he may be worth it for the playoff run. How many years has he left on his contract and how much money is owing?

I think The Jackets would love to get rid of Jeff Carter also.

I'm watching TSN right now and McKenzie is saying L.A. is the best option for Nash. Who knows? Crawford is saying The Rangers.


He has 6 more years at 7.8mm/year. No thanks.

Oh I agree, not saying I want him. I did just find out in Rangers chat I was just in that Nash is only 27. I thought he was like 33-34.

And Ted, yeah I really don't think The Rangers are at the top of the list for him and you're right he could very well end up in Van. What have you heard with who The Canucks would be willing to give up to get him?

I can see The Rangers trading Dubinsky for someone (not sure who) if they do make a trade. Also Marc Staal could be used as trade bait due to the fact that The Rangers did just fine without him for half the season. Plus he's only got 1 assist and is -4 in 19 games since returning at The Winter Classic. Can't find anything on his extended stats like hits and blocked shots at this moment though.


Staal is slow to get back to normal but I'd not trade him. He's one of the building blocks of this current team.

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Cory17 wrote:
stingmark wrote: Heard a.rumor today, my Wings are possibly looking to pick up another goalie, since they dont know how long Howard will be out. This McDonald guy they have is playing well, but nothing wrong w/an insurance policy either.
We got this Stanley Cup winning goalie that's a real party animal.......


Maybe thats why they havent bothered trading for him?

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The Hawks are looking for a 3-4 D-man and a #2 center...and possibly a goalie.

G: I've heard Khabibulin from Edmonton (I'll fucking throw something at the TV if that goes down)

D: Kubina out of Tampa is rumoured.

C: Derek Roy out of Buffalo is a distinct possibility.

The way the hawks have went into free-fall, I hope any moves they do make are small, as it looks like a large part of the supporting cast on that team needs to be blown up in the off-season. the chemistry has been off all year, and once Hossa, Toews, Kane and Sharp hit a wall, their defensive shortcomings were exposed even more than early in the year. early in the year they were winning the 6-4 games, not losing them.

I'd rather they miss the playoffs and rebuild it all next year (preferably with a new GM) than make two or three moves, sacrifice some young talent and get into the playoffs in 7th or 8th. They won't advance past the first round this time out..or even make their first round series close, like last year.

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Chris OtL wrote: Watching paint dry will be more exciting than trade deadline day. The salary cap has killed all the fun, and the multiple good trades which used to happen that day. Now it's all about matching money when you swap, not just getting the player who can help you down the stretch.

I'm hoping that this year will be different. Last year most of the trades happened 2-3 weeks before the deadline, while this year there has been Jack squat. I also agree that the Salary Cap needs to go away. If a team can't survive, then move Them or get rid of Them.

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the squared circle wrote: Nash and Carter both look like they will be moved by Columbus.

Will Vancouver package off Schneider?

JVR from Philly is supposedly available, but I think he is out with a concussion.

Nobody wants Carter. Homer and the true Hockey Fans of the Flyers knew that Carter is the Tin man of Hockey, no heart.

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stingmark wrote: Heard a.rumor today, my Wings are possibly looking to pick up another goalie, since they dont know how long Howard will be out. This McDonald guy they have is playing well, but nothing wrong w/an insurance policy either.
I doubt that Holland will pull the trigger on a Goalie. He even said this much a few weeks ago.

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carpetbeggar wrote: HBF wrote: carpetbeggar wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Nash is the big name in play right now with a myraid of rumours about where He will land.
As far as Nash and the rumors with him going to the Rangers are Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a 1rst rounder for him, but then I heard too that they'd want some sort of combination of Dubinsky, Stepan, McDonough and Ansimov.
No fraking way I'd want any part of that deal being a Rangers fan. The Rangers have finally built a team through drafting well and trading for good, young talent, so I wouldn't want them to trade away their future for a bloated contract of a guy on the downswing of his career like Nash. If they can get him on the cheap though as far as trade bait, he may be worth it for the playoff run. How many years has he left on his contract and how much money is owing?

I think The Jackets would love to get rid of Jeff Carter also.

I'm watching TSN right now and McKenzie is saying L.A. is the best option for Nash. Who knows? Crawford is saying The Rangers.


He has 6 more years at 7.8mm/year. No thanks.

Oh I agree, not saying I want him. I did just find out in Rangers chat I was just in that Nash is only 27. I thought he was like 33-34.

And Ted, yeah I really don't think The Rangers are at the top of the list for him and you're right he could very well end up in Van. What have you heard with who The Canucks would be willing to give up to get him?

I can see The Rangers trading Dubinsky for someone (not sure who) if they do make a trade. Also Marc Staal could be used as trade bait due to the fact that The Rangers did just fine without him for half the season. Plus he's only got 1 assist and is -4 in 19 games since returning at The Winter Classic. Can't find anything on his extended stats like hits and blocked shots at this moment though.

Nash came in as a 18 yr. old. I heard that Vancouver might be willing to part with Kesler as the centerpiece, since Hodgson has shown that He might be finally ready for the NHL. Vancouver also has Schneider, Raymond and a few other pieces that could go back to Columbus. I wouldn't trade Staal if I was Slats. You have to remember that He's coming off of a serious concussion and it takes a little while to recover from it. I would love Staal on the Flyers.

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khawk wrote: The Hawks are looking for a 3-4 D-man and a #2 center...and possibly a goalie.

G: I've heard Khabibulin from Edmonton (I'll fucking throw something at the TV if that goes down)

D: Kubina out of Tampa is rumoured.

C: Derek Roy out of Buffalo is a distinct possibility.

The way the hawks have went into free-fall, I hope any moves they do make are small, as it looks like a large part of the supporting cast on that team needs to be blown up in the off-season. the chemistry has been off all year, and once Hossa, Toews, Kane and Sharp hit a wall, their defensive shortcomings were exposed even more than early in the year. early in the year they were winning the 6-4 games, not losing them.

I'd rather they miss the playoffs and rebuild it all next year (preferably with a new GM) than make two or three moves, sacrifice some young talent and get into the playoffs in 7th or 8th. They won't advance past the first round this time out..or even make their first round series close, like last year.

How about a deal that the main pieces center around Partick Kane and Ryan Miller? The Hawks have a ton of scoring and could really use a Goalie since it appears that Miller is trying to play His way out of Buffalo.

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Have heard the Hurricanes will dump Ruuto and have heard they are trying to resign him?  Based on if they can if hes traded I guess

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Count Grog wrote: Have heard the Hurricanes will dump Ruuto and have heard they are trying to resign him?  Based on if they can if hes traded I guess
Ruutu is hurt and out for 3 weeks or so.

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Rick Nash, Jeff Carter & Fedor Tyutin held out of practice today.

Pavel Kubina held out of practice by Tampa because He's goona to be traded.

Blogger Andy Strickland has reported that Ryan Miller has agreed to waive His NTC to go to Chicago.


Luke Schenn a scratch for tonight's game according to Bullet Bob McKenzie.

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The main component the Rangers are missing is a wing that can score on the PP.

However, I would not make a trade and mortgage the future. If they don't win the cup this year, fine. They still have Kreider and Bourque in the minors. They are loaded in the farm system for the time I can remember. Probably since they brought up Leetch and Erixson lol.

This year has been icing on the cake. I don't think any Ranger fan saw this type of year coming. I didn't. They should let this play out with the talent they have.

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The main component the Rangers are missing is a wing that can score on the PP.

However, I would not make a trade and mortgage the future. If they don't win the cup this year, fine. They still have Kreider and Bourque in the minors. They are loaded in the farm system for the time I can remember. Probably since they brought up Leetch and Erixson lol.

This year has been icing on the cake. I don't think any Ranger fan saw this type of year coming. I didn't. They should let this play out with the talent they have.


Well-stated.

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nyhack56 wrote: The main component the Rangers are missing is a wing that can score on the PP.

However, I would not make a trade and mortgage the future. If they don't win the cup this year, fine. They still have Kreider and Bourque in the minors. They are loaded in the farm system for the time I can remember. Probably since they brought up Leetch and Erixson lol.

This year has been icing on the cake. I don't think any Ranger fan saw this type of year coming. I didn't. They should let this play out with the talent they have.

Isn't Kreider still @ Boston College?

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Nucks not on Rick Nash's 'approved list', says Columbus writer Aaron Portzline. The five are: Leafs, Bruins, NYR, Sharks, Kings.

Glad to see the Flyers not on His list. Let Someone else overpay for Him.

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Nucks not on Rick Nash's 'approved list', says Columbus writer Aaron Portzline. The five are: Leafs, Bruins, NYR, Sharks, Kings.

Glad to see the Flyers not on His list. Let Someone else overpay for Him.


My guess is NYR (they always overspend for big FA's or the KINGS, cuz i heard their package was Bernier and Jack Johnson)

I would like him on the Leafs, being a hometown boy, but we may have to give up too much.

The Jackets GM might hold on to him, and trade him in the offseason.

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I could see carter going to LA or NY, but I'm not convinced either would overpay for Nash, which is what it will take to get him. He's friends with Joe Thornton so San jose makes some sense.

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Flyers trade for :

Nicklas Grossman from DAL to PHI for 2012 2nd rd pick & FLA 2013 3rd round pick.

TSNBobMcKenzie: As per @Real_ESPNLeBrun, TB trades Dom Moore and 7th round pick to SJ for a 2nd round pick.

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Chris OtL wrote: Watching paint dry will be more exciting than trade deadline day. The salary cap has killed all the fun, and the multiple good trades which used to happen that day. Now it's all about matching money when you swap, not just getting the player who can help you down the stretch.
Depends. Contracts are pro-rated over the six-month plus season, so if there's a $6 million guy, the team that gets him basically owes him a little over $1 million. That usually only applies to guys in the last year of a contract, but there are enough of those to make the deadline interesting.

The biggest trade casualty because of the cap is the November-December trades that used to be a big part of the game. Teams would get a quarter into the season and realize they needed something -- or just a shake-up -- and pull off a big deal. Those are scarce now because teams don't have room to maneuver under the cap. Instead, the big move is to fire the coach.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: How about a deal that the main pieces center around Partick Kane and Ryan Miller? The Hawks have a ton of scoring and could really use a Goalie since it appears that Miller is trying to play His way out of Buffalo.

Trading a 23 year old elite playmaking F for a 32 year old G would be the most retarded thing hawks GM Stan Bowman could do.

Having said that, it's Stan Fucking Bowman so something like that could happen....

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nyhack56 wrote: The main component the Rangers are missing is a wing that can score on the PP.

However, I would not make a trade and mortgage the future. If they don't win the cup this year, fine. They still have Kreider and Bourque in the minors. They are loaded in the farm system for the time I can remember. Probably since they brought up Leetch and Erixson lol.

This year has been icing on the cake. I don't think any Ranger fan saw this type of year coming. I didn't. They should let this play out with the talent they have.

Question for you and HBF, or actually everyone I guess: What do you guys think of Michael Ryder? He'll be 32 at the end of next month and is having a great year offensively. He's only got 6 PPP though. When I mentioned his name in this Rangers podcast chat I take part in every week none of them seemed too excited when I mentioned his name. He's been through a successful playoff run just last season with The Bees. I have no idea if The Stars have any interest in dealing him though, just throwing his name out there.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
Count Grog wrote: Have heard the Hurricanes will dump Ruuto and have heard they are trying to resign him?  Based on if they can if hes traded I guess
Ruutu is hurt and out for 3 weeks or so.

that won't stop them from dumping him

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You know my Rangers are finally having a good year.  I hear they are among the front runners for Nash.  I just hope I am being paranoid but I am reminded of the Carmello Anthony trade last year for the Knicks.  They had to gut the team to get him and the team is just now rebounding thanks to Jeremy Lin.  What would the Rangers be required to give up for him?  Man, they are number one right now.  Is oot worth giving up blue chip prospects or screwing up team chemistry to acquire a good player that they really don't need?

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The Montreal Canadiens traded defenceman Hal Gill and a conditional 5th round pick in 2013 to the Nashville Predators on Friday in exchange for Blake Geoffrion, Robert Slaney and second round draft pick in 2012.

Gill, who has spent the last three seasons with Montreal, will be an unrestricted free agent after signing a one-year deal worth $2.25 million in the off-season.

The 36-year-old blueliner will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season.

Originally drafted in the eighth round by the Boston Bruins at the 1993 NHL Entry Draft, Gill's size has made him a coveted stay-at-home presence throughout his 13-year career.

The 6'7" Gill has played with the Bruins, Maple Leafs, Penguins and Canadiens throughout his career, winning the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009.

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lobo316 wrote:
The Montreal Canadiens traded defenceman Hal Gill and a conditional 5th round pick in 2013 to the Nashville Predators on Friday in exchange for Blake Geoffrion, Robert Slaney and second round draft pick in 2012.

Gill, who has spent the last three seasons with Montreal, will be an unrestricted free agent after signing a one-year deal worth $2.25 million in the off-season.

The 36-year-old blueliner will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season.

Originally drafted in the eighth round by the Boston Bruins at the 1993 NHL Entry Draft, Gill's size has made him a coveted stay-at-home presence throughout his 13-year career.

The 6'7" Gill has played with the Bruins, Maple Leafs, Penguins and Canadiens throughout his career, winning the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009.

Severe overpayment by Nashville for Gill. Makes the Flyers deal to get Grossman an absolute steal.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: lobo316 wrote:
The Montreal Canadiens traded defenceman Hal Gill and a conditional 5th round pick in 2013 to the Nashville Predators on Friday in exchange for Blake Geoffrion, Robert Slaney and second round draft pick in 2012.

Gill, who has spent the last three seasons with Montreal, will be an unrestricted free agent after signing a one-year deal worth $2.25 million in the off-season.

The 36-year-old blueliner will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season.

Originally drafted in the eighth round by the Boston Bruins at the 1993 NHL Entry Draft, Gill's size has made him a coveted stay-at-home presence throughout his 13-year career.

The 6'7" Gill has played with the Bruins, Maple Leafs, Penguins and Canadiens throughout his career, winning the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009.

Severe overpayment by Nashville for Gill. Makes the Flyers deal to get Grossman an absolute steal.

Nashville has to win this season. Next season they are fucked because they are going to lose Ryan Suter to free agency. Plus there could be another Labor impasse/strike/lockout next season.

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The Kings & Flyers are discussing again a possible JVR for Jack Hohnson swap

The Red Wings & Flyers are in on the Pavel Kubina sweepstakes.

D-Man Matt Carle might be available from the Flyers

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Severe overpayment by Nashville for Gill. Makes the Flyers deal to get Grossman an absolute steal.

No shit. So few sellers = super high return for mediocre talent.

Hawks are also in on Kubina but I sort of hope they take a pass...I get the feeling Kubina could cost someone two 2nd round picks or even a first rounder, and he ain't worth that.

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Sources tell TSN that the Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Pavel Kubina to the Philadelphia Flyers for second and fourth-round draft picks.

A steady two-way presence on the back-end, Kubina has played with the Lightning (twice), Toronto Maple Leafs and Atlanta Thrashers throughout his career.

Named to the NHL All-Star Game in 2003-04, Kubina would win the Stanley Cup with the Lightning that same season.

Kubina is in the final year of a two-year contract he signed with the Lightning in 2010 with an annual average value of $3.85 million. He will become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Kubina was held off the ice this week by the Lightning while they tried to deal him. Tampa GM Steve Yzerman asked him for a list of five teams that Kubina would allow a trade to, as per the defenceman's no-trade clause.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
The Red Wings & Flyers are in on the Pavel Kubina sweepstakes.



he shouldve went to the Wings, not the Flyers.

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Sources tell TSN that the Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Pavel Kubina to the Philadelphia Flyers for second and fourth-round draft picks.

A steady two-way presence on the back-end, Kubina has played with the Lightning (twice), Toronto Maple Leafs and Atlanta Thrashers throughout his career.

Named to the NHL All-Star Game in 2003-04, Kubina would win the Stanley Cup with the Lightning that same season.

Kubina is in the final year of a two-year contract he signed with the Lightning in 2010 with an annual average value of $3.85 million. He will become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Kubina was held off the ice this week by the Lightning while they tried to deal him. Tampa GM Steve Yzerman asked him for a list of five teams that Kubina would allow a trade to, as per the defenceman's no-trade clause.




Not bad deal for the Flyers. Maybe this means that Matt Carle will finally get His Head out of His Ass and start playing smart Hockey again.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
The Red Wings & Flyers are in on the Pavel Kubina sweepstakes.



he shouldve went to the Avalanche, not the Flyers.

Fixed.

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A second source says the trade for Kubina  is for a 2nd round pick & a 5th round pick.

 

 

 

The Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Pavel Kubina to the Philadelphia Flyers for second and fifth-round draft picks, according to Sportsnet's Nick Kypreos.

Kubina has three goals and eight assists in 52 games this season.

He is set to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
The Red Wings & Flyers are in on the Pavel Kubina sweepstakes.



he shouldve went to the Wings, not the Flyers.

Fixed.

Fixed again:D

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Here's the latest version of the Kubina trade. I believe this one is official.

 


The Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Pavel Kubina to the Philadelphia Flyers for left winger Jon Kalinski and a second and fourth-round draft pick.

The second round pick is a conditional pick that the Flyers acquired in the Kris Versteeg trade.  The Florida Panthers have the option to give either their 2012 or 2013 pick. The fourth round pick is for the 2013 NHL Entry Draft.

A steady two-way presence on the back-end, Kubina has played with the Lightning (twice), Toronto Maple Leafs and Atlanta Thrashers throughout his career.

Named to the NHL All-Star Game in 2003-04, Kubina would win the Stanley Cup with the Lightning that same season.

Kubina is in the final year of a two-year contract he signed with the Lightning in 2010 with an annual average value of $3.85 million. He will become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Kubina was held off the ice this week by the Lightning while they tried to deal him. Tampa GM Steve Yzerman asked him for a list of five teams that Kubina would allow a trade to, as per the defenceman's no-trade clause.

The addition of Kubina further fills the void on defence that the Flyers have felt since Chris Pronger suffered his season ending concussion.  On Thursday, the team acquired Swedish defenceman Nicklas Grossman from the Dallas Stars for a 2012 second-round pick and a 2013 third-round pick.



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lobo316 wrote: Here's the latest version of the Kubina trade. I believe this one is official.

 


The Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Pavel Kubina to the Philadelphia Flyers for left winger Jon Kalinski and a second and fourth-round draft pick.

The second round pick is a conditional pick that the Flyers acquired in the Kris Versteeg trade.  The Florida Panthers have the option to give either their 2012 or 2013 pick. The fourth round pick is for the 2013 NHL Entry Draft.

A steady two-way presence on the back-end, Kubina has played with the Lightning (twice), Toronto Maple Leafs and Atlanta Thrashers throughout his career.

Named to the NHL All-Star Game in 2003-04, Kubina would win the Stanley Cup with the Lightning that same season.

Kubina is in the final year of a two-year contract he signed with the Lightning in 2010 with an annual average value of $3.85 million. He will become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Kubina was held off the ice this week by the Lightning while they tried to deal him. Tampa GM Steve Yzerman asked him for a list of five teams that Kubina would allow a trade to, as per the defenceman's no-trade clause.

The addition of Kubina further fills the void on defence that the Flyers have felt since Chris Pronger suffered his season ending concussion.  On Thursday, the team acquired Swedish defenceman Nicklas Grossman from the Dallas Stars for a 2012 second-round pick and a 2013 third-round pick.




I have a feeling that the Flyers aren't done. Matt Carle is a Free Agent after this year, and JVR has been very disappointing also. Rumor has it that the Flyers might bring in Nabokov from the Islanders to push Bryz.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: lobo316 wrote: Here's the latest version of the Kubina trade. I believe this one is official.

 


The Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Pavel Kubina to the Philadelphia Flyers for left winger Jon Kalinski and a second and fourth-round draft pick.

The second round pick is a conditional pick that the Flyers acquired in the Kris Versteeg trade.  The Florida Panthers have the option to give either their 2012 or 2013 pick. The fourth round pick is for the 2013 NHL Entry Draft.

A steady two-way presence on the back-end, Kubina has played with the Lightning (twice), Toronto Maple Leafs and Atlanta Thrashers throughout his career.

Named to the NHL All-Star Game in 2003-04, Kubina would win the Stanley Cup with the Lightning that same season.

Kubina is in the final year of a two-year contract he signed with the Lightning in 2010 with an annual average value of $3.85 million. He will become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Kubina was held off the ice this week by the Lightning while they tried to deal him. Tampa GM Steve Yzerman asked him for a list of five teams that Kubina would allow a trade to, as per the defenceman's no-trade clause.

The addition of Kubina further fills the void on defence that the Flyers have felt since Chris Pronger suffered his season ending concussion.  On Thursday, the team acquired Swedish defenceman Nicklas Grossman from the Dallas Stars for a 2012 second-round pick and a 2013 third-round pick.




I have a feeling that the Flyers aren't done. Matt Carle is a Free Agent after this year, and JVR has been very disappointing also. Rumor has it that the Flyers might bring in Nabokov from the Islanders to push Bryz.

As a Flyers fan, I would love to see them bring in Nabokov. Bryz just hasn't been good this year no matter how you look at it

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nyhack56 wrote: The main component the Rangers are missing is a wing that can score on the PP.

However, I would not make a trade and mortgage the future. If they don't win the cup this year, fine. They still have Kreider and Bourque in the minors.

Trust me - Ray Bourque has more trade value right now than Ryan Bourque does. Kreider is your top prospect and apparently Boston made a couple of offers to the Rangers for him last year.

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The Flyers and Avs are talking about a deal with either Matt Duchene or Eric Johnson coming to Philly. J.S. Giguere is available also.

Nashville is interested in JVR. Possible JVR for Ryan Ellis deal on the table.

 

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JB5 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: lobo316 wrote: Here's the latest version of the Kubina trade. I believe this one is official.

 


The Tampa Bay Lightning have traded defenceman Pavel Kubina to the Philadelphia Flyers for left winger Jon Kalinski and a second and fourth-round draft pick.

The second round pick is a conditional pick that the Flyers acquired in the Kris Versteeg trade.  The Florida Panthers have the option to give either their 2012 or 2013 pick. The fourth round pick is for the 2013 NHL Entry Draft.

A steady two-way presence on the back-end, Kubina has played with the Lightning (twice), Toronto Maple Leafs and Atlanta Thrashers throughout his career.

Named to the NHL All-Star Game in 2003-04, Kubina would win the Stanley Cup with the Lightning that same season.

Kubina is in the final year of a two-year contract he signed with the Lightning in 2010 with an annual average value of $3.85 million. He will become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Kubina was held off the ice this week by the Lightning while they tried to deal him. Tampa GM Steve Yzerman asked him for a list of five teams that Kubina would allow a trade to, as per the defenceman's no-trade clause.

The addition of Kubina further fills the void on defence that the Flyers have felt since Chris Pronger suffered his season ending concussion.  On Thursday, the team acquired Swedish defenceman Nicklas Grossman from the Dallas Stars for a 2012 second-round pick and a 2013 third-round pick.




I have a feeling that the Flyers aren't done. Matt Carle is a Free Agent after this year, and JVR has been very disappointing also. Rumor has it that the Flyers might bring in Nabokov from the Islanders to push Bryz.

As a Flyers fan, I would love to see them bring in Nabokov. Bryz just hasn't been good this year no matter how you look at it

Nabby and the Islanders are starting to talk about a contract extention. I don't see Him getting moved. I could see a Kyle Okposo getting moved to bring in a Younger Goalie prospect.

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Colorado trades D-Man Kyle Quincey to Tampa for Foward Steve Downie. Shocked to see Downie moved by Tampa.  Then Tampa flips Quincey to Detroit for a 1st Round pick.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: The Flyers and Avs are talking about a deal with either Matt Duchene or Eric Johnson coming to Philly. J.S. Giguere is available also.

Nashville is interested in JVR. Possible JVR for Ryan Ellis deal on the table.

 

Who would Philly be trading for Colorado's franchise player (Duchene)?

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Cory17 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: The Flyers and Avs are talking about a deal with either Matt Duchene or Eric Johnson coming to Philly. J.S. Giguere is available also.

Nashville is interested in JVR. Possible JVR for Ryan Ellis deal on the table.

 

Who would Philly be trading for Colorado's franchise player (Duchene)?


A Package involving JVR, Carle, Bob & 1st round pick. Apparently the Flyers have been asking about Duchene for a year or so and talks having beeen getting more serious. Giguere would have to come back with Bob was traded. I don't see it happening Myself, but apparently there is alot of interest by the Avs in JVR.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Cory17 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: The Flyers and Avs are talking about a deal with either Matt Duchene or Eric Johnson coming to Philly. J.S. Giguere is available also.

Nashville is interested in JVR. Possible JVR for Ryan Ellis deal on the table.

 

Who would Philly be trading for Colorado's franchise player (Duchene)?


A Package involving JVR, Carle, Bob & 1st round pick. Apparently the Flyers have been asking about Duchene for a year or so and talks having beeen getting more serious. Giguere would have to come back with Bob was traded. I don't see it happening Myself, but apparently there is alot of interest by the Avs in JVR.

Terrible trade for Colorado, JVR is nowhere near the player Duchene is, Carl/Bobrovsky/the 1st aren't much compensation either.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Colorado trades D-Man Kyle Quincey to Tampa for Foward Steve Downie. Shocked to see Downie moved by Tampa.  Then Tampa flips Quincey to Detroit for a 1st Round pick
 

Tampa also gets prospect Sebastien Piche with the 1st round pick.
Tampa now has 2 1st round picks & 3 2nd round picks in this year's  draft

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Tampa trades Matt Fornataro to the Black Hawks for  Brandon Segal

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khawk wrote: The Hawks are looking for a 3-4 D-man and a #2 center...and possibly a goalie.

G: I've heard Khabibulin from Edmonton (I'll fucking throw something at the TV if that goes down)

D: Kubina out of Tampa is rumoured.

C: Derek Roy out of Buffalo is a distinct possibility.

The way the hawks have went into free-fall, I hope any moves they do make are small, as it looks like a large part of the supporting cast on that team needs to be blown up in the off-season. the chemistry has been off all year, and once Hossa, Toews, Kane and Sharp hit a wall, their defensive shortcomings were exposed even more than early in the year. early in the year they were winning the 6-4 games, not losing them.

I'd rather they miss the playoffs and rebuild it all next year (preferably with a new GM) than make two or three moves, sacrifice some young talent and get into the playoffs in 7th or 8th. They won't advance past the first round this time out..or even make their first round series close, like last year.

The streaky Hawks have now won 4 in a row!!

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lobo316 wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Colorado trades D-Man Kyle Quincey to Tampa for Foward Steve Downie. Shocked to see Downie moved by Tampa.  Then Tampa flips Quincey to Detroit for a 1st Round pick
 

Tampa also gets prospect Sebastien Piche with the 1st round pick.
Tampa now has 2 1st round picks & 3 2nd round picks in this year's  draft



I liked Quincey when he was in Detroit a few years ago.

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lobo316 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Colorado trades D-Man Kyle Quincey to Tampa for Foward Steve Downie. Shocked to see Downie moved by Tampa.  Then Tampa flips Quincey to Detroit for a 1st Round pick
 

Tampa also gets prospect Sebastien Piche with the 1st round pick.
Tampa now has 2 1st round picks & 3 2nd round picks in this year's  draft


I think that Tampa is going to use some of these picks to get a Goalie. Someone like Cory Schneider would help Tampa alot.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: lobo316 wrote:
freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Colorado trades D-Man Kyle Quincey to Tampa for Foward Steve Downie. Shocked to see Downie moved by Tampa.  Then Tampa flips Quincey to Detroit for a 1st Round pick
 

Tampa also gets prospect Sebastien Piche with the 1st round pick.
Tampa now has 2 1st round picks & 3 2nd round picks in this year's  draft



I liked Quincey when he was in Detroit a few years ago.


Giving up a first rounder for him, while tempered with the knowledge that it'll be pick 26-30 or so, still seems like an awful lot to give up for Quincey.

Definitely shows the price for players at this deadline is really high this time out. It should come down on deadline day somewhat, but that all depends on who finally decides to be sellers by then.

Consider that Yzerman has gone into sell mode only 6 points out of a playoff spot in the East. That seems close but leapfrogging over so many teams with the 3-point games makes it nearly impossible this late in the season. He's being wise in getting assets back for his dumpable players early, IMO.

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The Columbus Blue Jackets have traded veteran forward Antoine Vermette to the Phoenix Coyotes for a second round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft (via Ottawa), a fifth round selection in the 2013 Draft and minor-league goaltender Curtis mcElhinney.

Vermette, who is in just the second year of a five-year, $18.75 million contract, has spent the last four years with the Blue Jackets.

The 29-year-old is in his eighth season in the NHL; he's played with both Columbus and the Ottawa Senators.

Vermette also brings 42 games of playoff experience to the table; he helped Ottawa to the Stanley Cup Final in 2006-07 before losing to the Anaheim Ducks.

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lobo316 wrote:
The Columbus Blue Jackets have traded veteran forward Antoine Vermette to the Phoenix Coyotes for a second round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft (via Ottawa), a fifth round selection in the 2013 Draft and minor-league goaltender Curtis mcElhinney.

Vermette, who is in just the second year of a five-year, $18.75 million contract, has spent the last four years with the Blue Jackets.

The 29-year-old is in his eighth season in the NHL; he's played with both Columbus and the Ottawa Senators.

Vermette also brings 42 games of playoff experience to the table; he helped Ottawa to the Stanley Cup Final in 2006-07 before losing to the Anaheim Ducks.

Not a bad deal for Phoenix. Vermette is probably just happy to get out of Columbus.

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Looks like Tuomo Ruutu won't be moving as he just signed a 4 year/ $ 19 million extension with Carolina: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=388555

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CanadianHorseman wrote: Looks like Tuomo Ruutu won't be moving as he just signed a 4 year/ $ 19 million extension with Carolina: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=388555
Severe overpayment by Jimmy Rutherford. No way in Hell He's worth $4.75 Mil a year.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
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The Columbus Blue Jackets have traded veteran forward Antoine Vermette to the Phoenix Coyotes for a second round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft (via Ottawa), a fifth round selection in the 2013 Draft and minor-league goaltender Curtis mcElhinney.

Vermette, who is in just the second year of a five-year, $18.75 million contract, has spent the last four years with the Blue Jackets.

The 29-year-old is in his eighth season in the NHL; he's played with both Columbus and the Ottawa Senators.

Vermette also brings 42 games of playoff experience to the table; he helped Ottawa to the Stanley Cup Final in 2006-07 before losing to the Anaheim Ducks.

Not a bad deal for Phoenix. Vermette is probably just happy to get out of Columbus.


Who wouldnt want to be out of Columbus?

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Chris OtL wrote: Jeff Carter to the Kings for Jack Johnson and a 1st round pick.



So basically Columbus turned Jacob Voracek ( 33 points this season ), the 5th overall pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft which turned out to be Sean Couturier ( 21 points this season ) and the 68th pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft ( Nick Cousins ) into Jack Johnson ( 24 points this season ) and a 1st round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft. To make things even worse for Columbus - if LA misses the playoffs this season ( and at this point that seems to be a strong possibility ) then the pick becomes a 2013 1st round pick. I really wish I had picked Columbus GM Scott Howsen in our 2012 Fired Coaches and Managers Pick 'Em Pool as there should be no way he comes back next season.

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Chris OtL wrote: Jeff Carter to the Kings for Jack Johnson and a 1st round pick.



Shit, that's a done deal???? He's a bit of a head case isn't he? I'm sure being reunited with Mike Richards will help keep him in check (How did they get along in Philly Ted, they're buddies aren't they?).
Darryl Sutter I doubt will put up with his bullshit if things don't go his way in La LA Land.

Jack Johnson must be thrilled with having to make the move to Ohio.:)

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carpetbeggar wrote: Chris OtL wrote: Jeff Carter to the Kings for Jack Johnson and a 1st round pick.



Shit, that's a done deal???? He's a bit of a head case isn't he? I'm sure being reunited with Mike Richards will help keep him in check (How did they get along in Philly Ted, they're buddies aren't they?).
Darryl Sutter I doubt will put up with his bullshit if things don't go his way in La LA Land.

Jack Johnson must be thrilled with having to make the move to Ohio.:)
Add TMZ to your favorites list next season. Carter and Richards together in LA should be a shitshow 

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carpetbeggar wrote: Chris OtL wrote: Jeff Carter to the Kings for Jack Johnson and a 1st round pick.



Shit, that's a done deal???? He's a bit of a head case isn't he? I'm sure being reunited with Mike Richards will help keep him in check (How did they get along in Philly Ted, they're buddies aren't they?).
Darryl Sutter I doubt will put up with his bullshit if things don't go his way in La LA Land.

Jack Johnson must be thrilled with having to make the move to Ohio.:)

Ther are ALOT of off the Ice reasons on why Richards & Carter got shipped out quick by the Ed Snider, not Homer. Columbus did pretty good in getting what They got for Carter.

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clawmaster wrote: khawk wrote: The Hawks are looking for a 3-4 D-man and a #2 center...and possibly a goalie.

G: I've heard Khabibulin from Edmonton (I'll fucking throw something at the TV if that goes down)

D: Kubina out of Tampa is rumoured.

C: Derek Roy out of Buffalo is a distinct possibility.

The way the hawks have went into free-fall, I hope any moves they do make are small, as it looks like a large part of the supporting cast on that team needs to be blown up in the off-season. the chemistry has been off all year, and once Hossa, Toews, Kane and Sharp hit a wall, their defensive shortcomings were exposed even more than early in the year. early in the year they were winning the 6-4 games, not losing them.

I'd rather they miss the playoffs and rebuild it all next year (preferably with a new GM) than make two or three moves, sacrifice some young talent and get into the playoffs in 7th or 8th. They won't advance past the first round this time out..or even make their first round series close, like last year.

The streaky Hawks have now won 4 in a row!!

So much for the winning streak. The Hawks blew it last night in the 3rd period. With Toews hurt, another long win less streak might commence.

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clawmaster wrote: clawmaster wrote: khawk wrote: The Hawks are looking for a 3-4 D-man and a #2 center...and possibly a goalie.

G: I've heard Khabibulin from Edmonton (I'll fucking throw something at the TV if that goes down)

D: Kubina out of Tampa is rumoured.

C: Derek Roy out of Buffalo is a distinct possibility.

The way the hawks have went into free-fall, I hope any moves they do make are small, as it looks like a large part of the supporting cast on that team needs to be blown up in the off-season. the chemistry has been off all year, and once Hossa, Toews, Kane and Sharp hit a wall, their defensive shortcomings were exposed even more than early in the year. early in the year they were winning the 6-4 games, not losing them.

I'd rather they miss the playoffs and rebuild it all next year (preferably with a new GM) than make two or three moves, sacrifice some young talent and get into the playoffs in 7th or 8th. They won't advance past the first round this time out..or even make their first round series close, like last year.

The streaky Hawks have now won 4 in a row!!

So much for the winning streak. The Hawks blew it last night in the 3rd period. With Toews hurt, another long win less streak might commence.


The problem the Hawks have is that they can afford to spin their wheels for a few weeks. They aren't in imminent danger of missing the playoffs whre they sit (6th), but they have no shot at catching anyone above them.

The longer Toews is out, the more they will lose. No team misses one guy as much as the Hawks miss Toews.

I don't think Stan Bowman has the balls to make a "big" deal. Dumbass will probably just bring Chris Campoli back. **vomits**

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I am hoping the Rangers don't trade their young guys for Nash, as Hack had stated this was not suppposed to be our year anyways. I've read in the NY papers that if the Rangers play like shit offensively in the next two games that Slats is going to pull the trigger.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Colorado trades D-Man Kyle Quincey to Tampa for Foward Steve Downie. Shocked to see Downie moved by Tampa.  Then Tampa flips Quincey to Detroit for a 1st Round pick
 

Tampa also gets prospect Sebastien Piche with the 1st round pick.
Tampa now has 2 1st round picks & 3 2nd round picks in this year's  draft



I liked Quincey when he was in Detroit a few years ago.


Giving up a first rounder for him, while tempered with the knowledge that it'll be pick 26-30 or so, still seems like an awful lot to give up for Quincey.


It's what Detroit always does. They draft so well in the later rounds it doesn't matter.

IIRC their last Stanley Cup team only had 1 guy drafted in the first three rounds and that was Danny Cleary, who wasn't even drafted by Detroit.

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Devils finally trade for Marek Zidlicky

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=618815

I think that Sweet Lou overpaid a little for a Guy who wasn't even playing in Minny.

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Panthers pick up Faceoff specialist Jerred Smithson from Nashville for a 2012 6th round pick.

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Panthers pick up Faceoff specialist Jerred Smithson from Nashville for a 2012 6th round pick.

Better than an "underwater specialist" I suppose.

I guess there's room for guys like Craig MacTavish after all.

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NYR trade Wojtek Wolski to FLA for defenceman Mike Vernace and a 3rd round pick in 2013.

Sounds like the Rags are going after Nash. Way to go Slats, kill that chemisty!

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The St. Louis Blues have dealt goaltender Ben Bishop to the Ottawa Senators in exchange for a 2nd round selection in the 2013 entry draft.

The Senators have signed Bishop to a one-year, one-way contract.

The 25-year-old netminder has put up exceptional numbers with the American Hockey League's Peoria Rivermen this season.

The Blues were forced into making a decision on the 25-year-old netminder due to the team's crowded crease. With All-Star Brian Elliott and 2010-11 starter Jaroslav Halak still under contract, the 6'7" Bishop was in danger of becoming a Group 6 unrestricted free agent this off-season.

Bishop was originally drafted in the third round (85th overall) by the Blues at the 2005 NHL Entry Draft.

The Denver, Colorado native hasn't played an NHL game since March 7 of last year.

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The St. Louis Blues have dealt goaltender Ben Bishop to the Ottawa Senators in exchange for a 2nd round selection in the 2013 entry draft.

The Senators have signed Bishop to a one-year, one-way contract.

The 25-year-old netminder has put up exceptional numbers with the American Hockey League's Peoria Rivermen this season.

The Blues were forced into making a decision on the 25-year-old netminder due to the team's crowded crease. With All-Star Brian Elliott and 2010-11 starter Jaroslav Halak still under contract, the 6'7" Bishop was in danger of becoming a Group 6 unrestricted free agent this off-season.

Bishop was originally drafted in the third round (85th overall) by the Blues at the 2005 NHL Entry Draft.

The Denver, Colorado native hasn't played an NHL game since March 7 of last year.

Good deal for Ottawa. I like Bishop's game and He's a decent backup.

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David Boclair of the Nashville City Paper:

Confirmed tonight that Nashville has made a "massive" offer for Nash, rumored to include Colin Wilson, Ryan Ellis, Anders Lindback and high picks.

That is ALOT for Nash. That means one of Weber or Suter won't be back.

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NYR trade Wojtek Wolski to FLA for defenceman Mike Vernace and a 3rd round pick in 2013.

Sounds like the Rags are going after Nash. Way to go Slats, kill that chemisty!


Wolski needed to go to ditch salary and couldn't crack the lineup anyway.

They may in fact go for Nash, but it may play out with less of a package than Columbus originally wanted. Once Carter is gone and they've gutted their team, moving Nash is more of a priority to Columbus than bringing him to NY is for Slats. Of course, Dolan could fuck up the whole poker game and just cave. I'd not be surprised by that in the least.



 

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NYR trade Wojtek Wolski to FLA for defenceman Mike Vernace and a 3rd round pick in 2013.

Sounds like the Rags are going after Nash. Way to go Slats, kill that chemisty!


Wolski needed to go to ditch salary and couldn't crack the lineup anyway.

They may in fact go for Nash, but it may play out with less of a package than Columbus originally wanted. Once Carter is gone and they've gutted their team, moving Nash is more of a priority to Columbus than bringing him to NY is for Slats. Of course, Dolan could fuck up the whole poker game and just cave. I'd not be surprised by that in the least.

I know ESPN sucks for hockey, but it seems like the Rangers are out of the running for Nash according to them.  I think Nashville is offering the most for him now.  The rumor is Colin Wilson, Jonathan Blum, or Ryan Ellis, plus top prospects and a top draft pick.

It's interesting because getting Nash would probably mean Shea Weber or Ryan Sutter would be gone, as I think they are both free agents after the season, and there's no way they could afford all 3 of those guys.

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I know ESPN sucks for hockey, but it seems like the Rangers are out of the running for Nash according to them. 

For what it's worth - TSN and Sportsnet are reporting the same thing.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Colorado trades D-Man Kyle Quincey to Tampa for Foward Steve Downie. Shocked to see Downie moved by Tampa.  Then Tampa flips Quincey to Detroit for a 1st Round pick
 

Tampa also gets prospect Sebastien Piche with the 1st round pick.
Tampa now has 2 1st round picks & 3 2nd round picks in this year's  draft



I liked Quincey when he was in Detroit a few years ago.


Giving up a first rounder for him, while tempered with the knowledge that it'll be pick 26-30 or so, still seems like an awful lot to give up for Quincey.


It's what Detroit always does. They draft so well in the later rounds it doesn't matter.

IIRC their last Stanley Cup team only had 1 guy drafted in the first three rounds and that was Danny Cleary, who wasn't even drafted by
Detroit.


This. Kenny Holland knows what he's doing & has 4 SC rings to prove it. The Wings ALWAYS find gems in later rounds, thats why IMO, hes the best GM in the league.

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I know ESPN sucks for hockey, but it seems like the Rangers are out of the running for Nash according to them. 

For what it's worth - TSN and Sportsnet are reporting the same thing.


One of the NYC radio guys said on Saturday that the Rangers and Columbus have agreed to a trade and that Nash will be a Ranger at 3pm Monday. He's broken quite a few stories, but take it with a grain of salt

 

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NASHVILLE -- Andrei Kostitsyn is being reunited with his brother Sergei in Nashville.

The Montreal Canadiens dealt the winger to the Predators for a second-round pick in 2013 and a conditional fifth-round selection ahead of the NHL's trade deadline.

Andrei Kostitsyn is earning $3.25 million and will become an unrestricted free agent July 1.

He's struggled recently and has 12 goals and 24 points in 53 games this season.

The Kostitsyn brothers played together with the Habs from 2007 to 2010.

The conditional pick Montreal sent to the Predators is one they acquired in the Hal Gill trade last week.

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Two Canadian teams have hit the waiver wire for some Deadline Day shopping.

The Montreal Canadiens have claimed forward Brad Staubitz off re-entry waivers from the Minnesota Wild while the Winnipeg Jets have claimed defenceman Grant Clitsome from the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Clitsome has scored four goals and added 10 assists in 51 games with the Blue Jackets this season.

The 26-year-old defenceman has one year left on a two-year deal he signed with Columbus in 2011 worth an average annual value of $1.25 million.

Originally selected in the ninth round (271st overall) by the Columbus Blue Jackets at the 2004 NHL Entry Draft, Clitsome has scored nine goals and 27 assists in 93 career NHL games.

The 27-year-old Staubitz has posted a minus-7 with no points in 43 games with the Wild this year.

The Wild had been looking to find Staubitz a new home after the 27-year-old forward cleared waivers on February 11.

Staubitz was originally signed as an undrafted free agent by San Jose. He has scored eight goals and 10 assists in 196 career games with the Wild and Sharks.

He is in the final year of a two-year deal he signed with the Wild worth an average annual value of $575,000. The Canadiens will only have to pay half that salary and only half of Staubitz's average annual value will count towards Montreal's salary cap number.

He is set to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 2011-12 season.

The deadline for players claimed off waivers to be eligible for post-season play was Monday at Noon et.

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The Wings trade Mike Commodore to Tampa for a conditional
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EDMONTON - The Edmonton Oilers are shaking up their blue-line, acquiring Nick Schultz from the Minnesota Wild for Tom Gilbert on Monday.

Schultz is a more defensive-minded player than Gilbert and had spent his entire career with the Wild. He has three points (1-2) in 62 games this season.

The 29-year-old carries a US$3.5-million cap hit through 2013-14.

Gilbert also has two years remaining on his contract with an annual cap hit of $4 million.

He has 17 points (3-14) in 47 games for Edmonton this season.

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lobo316 wrote: EDMONTON - The Edmonton Oilers are shaking up their blue-line, acquiring Nick Schultz from the Minnesota Wild for Tom Gilbert on Monday.

Schultz is a more defensive-minded player than Gilbert and had spent his entire career with the Wild. He has three points (1-2) in 62 games this season.

The 29-year-old carries a US$3.5-million cap hit through 2013-14.

Gilbert also has two years remaining on his contract with an annual cap hit of $4 million.

He has 17 points (3-14) in 47 games for Edmonton this season.

Love the deal for the Oilers. Schultz is the kind of player that the Oilers need.

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Ryan Miller of the Sabres was alomst traded to the Flyers late Sunday night. I'm not sure what the whole deal would've been, but it was said to be a blockbuster type of trade. Jason Pominville was going to Philly as well.

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rumor- Leafs trade Keith Aulie to Tampa for Carter Ashton.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: lobo316 wrote: EDMONTON - The Edmonton Oilers are shaking up their blue-line, acquiring Nick Schultz from the Minnesota Wild for Tom Gilbert on Monday.

Schultz is a more defensive-minded player than Gilbert and had spent his entire career with the Wild. He has three points (1-2) in 62 games this season.

The 29-year-old carries a US$3.5-million cap hit through 2013-14.

Gilbert also has two years remaining on his contract with an annual cap hit of $4 million.

He has 17 points (3-14) in 47 games for Edmonton this season.

Love the deal for the Oilers. Schultz is the kind of player that the Oilers need.


 

Schultz wasn't told by the Wild he had been traded & he's pissed.

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rumor -

Blue Jackets trade Sammy Pahlsson to the Canucks for two  4th round draft picks.

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According to TSN, the Chicago Blackhawks acquired veteran defenseman Johnny Oduya in a trade with the Winnipeg Jets on Monday, less than an hour before the deadline expired.

Oduya had two goals and 11 assists in 63 games with the Jets. The blueliner averages 19 minutes, 19 seconds per game and is a minus-9. The 30-year-old native of Sweden previously played three-plus seasons with the New Jersey Devils before joining the Atlanta Thrasher (now Jets) during the 2009-10 season.

The left-handed shot played in three postseason series with the Devils and represented Sweden in the 2010 Olympic Winter Games in Vancouver.

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The Colorado Avalanche have acquired Jamie McGinn, Mike Connelly and Michael Sgarbossa from the San Jose Sharks in exchange for T.J. Galiardi, Daniel Winnik, and a seventh round pick.
McGinn has 12 goals and 24 points in 61 games. He is a physical forward who will chip in offensively while probably serving on the Avalanche's third line.

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OTTAWA - The Ottawa Senators acquired Matt Gilroy from the Tampa Bay Lightning for fellow defenceman Brian Lee on Monday.

Gilroy has two goals and 15 assists in 53 games with Tampa Bay this season. In 180 career games with the Lightning and Rangers, the 27-year-old has nine goals and 34 assists.

The North Bellmore, N.Y., native won the Hobey Baker Award as the top player in the NCAA in his senior season Boston University.

Lee has five goals and 23 assists in 167 career games with the Senators.

The native of Moorhead, Minn., was taken ninth overall by Ottawa at the 2005 draft.

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OK, the deal is official.

 

The Toronto Maple Leafs managed to move out a body on deadline day, but rather than a veteran, it was a youngster that now has a new home.

Leafs GM Brian Burke sent defenceman Keith Aulie to the Tampa Bay Lightning on Monday in exchange for winger Carter Ashton, a 20-year-old prospect who was taken 29th overall in 2009.


Aulie was behind Carl Gunnarsson, John-Michael Liles and Jake Gardiner on the left side on the Leafs blueline, and the other three weren't going anywhere. It makes sense that he was the one to go, especially considering he had not played very well in his time in the NHL.

Aulie was considered by Burke to be a key piece in the trade that brought he and captain Dion Phaneuf from the Calgary Flames in January of 2010.

"Obviously I didn't expect this," Aulie told TSN. "I'm pretty shocked still. I just got off the phone with [Lightning GM] Steve Yzerman and he said he's been interested in me for a while and is happy to have me.

"There was lots of competition here [in Toronto] all year and it made a lot of stress at times. Going down there, knowing there's some opportunity down there, I'll kind of make the best of that."

Ashton is the son of long-time NHLer Brent Ashton, who played 998 games with nine different NHL teams between 1979 and 1993.

He's big at 6-foot-3, 215 pounds, and had a couple 30 goal seasons at the WHL level, but remains a bit of a project. In his first full pro season, he has 19 goals and 35 points in 56 games with Tampa's AHL affiliate and is likely to start with the Toronto Marlies.

At this point, it's a gamble that either Aulie or Ashton are going to be meaningful contributers at the NHL level, and it makes sense for the Leafs to shift out a body on the blueline for potential help up front.

Like most late first-round picks, Ashton's game has some deficiencies – mainly in his own end – and the scouting reports all consider him as "somewhat raw." He skates well and has good speed but needs to work on lower body strength. He doesn't mind being physical but isn't a great hitter.

That said, he also shoots the puck very well and is still very young. I recall that the reports coming out of his pro training camps were pretty favourable, so it's not as if he can't compete at the pro level.

For now, that means added forward depth on the Marlies, who already have one of the higher scoring teams in the minors.

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here's the complete Oduya deal

 


The Blackhawks were in desperate need of a defenseman, especially with Steve Montador and Niklas Hjalmarsson battling injuries. The market was thin but general manager Stan Bowman grabbed one in veteran Johnny Oduya.


According to Canada's TSN, the Hawks acquired Oduya from the Winnipeg Jets on Monday. The Jets are run by GM Kevin Cheveldayoff, who was Bowman's assistant previously with the Hawks. The Hawks reportedly sent the Jets second- and third-round picks in 2013.

The Hawks are yet to officially announce the move, pending a trade call with the NHL. The Jets claimed Grant Clitsome, formerly of the Columbus Blue Jackets, off waivers earlier Monday.

Oduya, 30, has two goals,13 points and a minus-9 rating in 63 games this season for the Jets. He's a defensive-minded blue-liner who began his career with the New Jersey Devils. He's in the final year of a three-year deal carrying a $3.5 million cap hit.

Oduya brings experience to a Hawks' blue line that was relying too much on 20-year-old Nick Leddy and 21-year-old Dylan Olsen this season. He shouldn't be expected to improve the Hawks' inept power play. But Oduya should help on the penalty kill. He's averaging more than two minutes per game this season on the PK.

"One correct defenseman can put everybody else in the right spot," former NHL coach Marc Crawford told the Sun-Times recently. "It doesn't mean that Leddy has to play an exorbitant amount. It doesn't put as much strain on [Duncan] Keith or [Brent] Seabrook. [Niklas] Hjalmarsson can be what he is instead of a guy who has to manufacture more."

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Worst trade deadline ever. It was like watching a Jobber Draft.....Dusty Wolfe Traded for  Gustavo Mendoza and a jobber to be named later.

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The Boston Bruins have acquired forward Brian Rolston and defenceman Mike Mottau from the New York Islanders for future considerations.

The 39-year-old winger has four goals and five assists in 49 games with the Islanders this season.

Rolston has scored 339 goals and 407 assists in 1235 career NHL games with the Devils, Bruins, Wild, Devils and Islanders.

He was originally selected in the first round (11th overall) of the 1991 NHL Entry Draft by the New Jersey Devils.

Mottau has registered two assists in 29 games for the Islanders this season.

He has scored seven goals and added 51 assists in 307 career games between the Islanders and Devils.

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Really underwhelmed by what the Bruins did today. All they added was marginal depth - Brian Rolston ( RW ) and Mike Mottau ( D )  from the NYI and Greg Zanon ( D )  from Minnesota. With Horton and Peverly out I would have liked it if they could have added at least one top 9 forward. Peverely will be back soon but I get a feeling Horton may be done for the season.



 

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Rangers got John Scott from the Hawks for a 5 rd pick.

With him and Prust and Rupp and Bickel, I guess they are going to try to punch their way through the playoffs.



 

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Zach Kassian to Vancouver from Buffalo for Cody Hodgson.  Win for Vancouver.

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nyhack56 wrote: Zach Kassian to Vancouver from Buffalo for Cody Hodgson.  Win for Vancouver.
Dumb move by Buffalo. Kassian is a Bad Ass.

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Nashville gets Paul Gaustad from Buffalo for a 1st & 4th round pick in this years draft.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Nashville gets Paul Gaustad from Buffalo for a 1st & 4th round pick in this years draft.
Actually the deal was Gaustad and a 2013 4th round pick for Nashville's 2012 1st round pick. So in consecutive years Nashville has traded 1st round picks for Mike Fisher and Paul Gaustad. :shock:

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Jets trade Captain Giveaway, Johnny Oduya to Chicago for their second and third rounders in 2013. Jets have a lot of defenseman, and Oduya doesn't add to the offense, and he isn't all that good at the defense at times. Like the trade, but that's probably because I can't stand him. :)

Doesn't address the Jets biggest need, which is someone who can score goals, but no point mortgaging the future to make a playoff run where you are going to be one-and-done anyway. Better hope for a lot of 2-1 wins down the stretch, and work on getting some offense in the off-season.

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Absolutely brutal day for both TSN and Sportsnet. Both shows started airing at 8 am Eastern and the first deal didn't happen until 10:30 am. One thing I found a little odd was that despite teams like Philly, Chicago and Toronto desparate to upgrade their goaltending not a single Goalie was traded today.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: nyhack56 wrote: Zach Kassian to Vancouver from Buffalo for Cody Hodgson.  Win for Vancouver.
Dumb move by Buffalo. Kassian is a Bad Ass.


You guys need to watch Buffalo more to realize that Kassian has been playing like a pussy this year. The team told him he needed to stop being a dumbass (ie. getting into bar fights and getting suspended for 20 games in the OHL) and play hard physical hockey. He has done the exact opposite and has been avoiding contact unless absolutely necessary.

He has the talent, but I question the intelligence and drive to succeed. Hopefully, I am wrong and a change of scenery will get him back to his physical play

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Mottau is one of the most overrated Rangers prospects (along with Manny Malhotra) that I can think of. I almost never drink the cool-aid on the hype that comes with NY prospects because of guys like this.

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CanadianHorseman wrote: Absolutely brutal day for both TSN and Sportsnet. Both shows started airing at 8 am Eastern and the first deal didn't happen until 10:30 am. One thing I found a little odd was that despite teams like Philly, Chicago and Toronto desparate to upgrade their goaltending not a single Goalie was traded today.

 

Burke said in an interview that the Leafs received a trade offer for Reimer but
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Mottau is one of the most overrated Rangers prospects (along with Manny Malhotra) that I can think of. I almost never drink the cool-aid on the hype that comes with NY prospects because of guys like this.

Don't forget Jan Hlavac, Jamie Lundmark and Thomas Pock. Remember Slats saying "I don't wanna give up any of my kids" about 10 years ago around the trading deadline?


Honestly I am glad the Rangers pretty much stayed put. I'd rather they take their chances with what they have. Play heart attack 1-0, 2-1 hockey. They've done it all year, they should be used to it.

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nyhack56 wrote: HBF wrote:
Mottau is one of the most overrated Rangers prospects (along with Manny Malhotra) that I can think of. I almost never drink the cool-aid on the hype that comes with NY prospects because of guys like this.

Don't forget Jan Hlavac, Jamie Lundmark and Thomas Pock. Remember Slats saying "I don't wanna give up any of my kids" about 10 years ago around the trading deadline?


Honestly I am glad the Rangers pretty much stayed put. I'd rather they take their chances with what they have. Play heart attack 1-0, 2-1 hockey. They've done it all year, they should be used to it.

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lobo316 wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: Absolutely brutal day for both TSN and Sportsnet. Both shows started airing at 8 am Eastern and the first deal didn't happen until 10:30 am. One thing I found a little odd was that despite teams like Philly, Chicago and Toronto desparate to upgrade their goaltending not a single Goalie was traded today.

 

Burke said in an interview that the Leafs received a trade offer for Reimer but
the Leafs turned it down.

According to Darren Dreger, They could've gotten 1st round picks for Grabovski, Schenn, Kulemin, McArthur.

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Mottau is one of the most overrated Rangers prospects (along with Manny Malhotra) that I can think of. I almost never drink the cool-aid on the hype that comes with NY prospects because of guys like this.

Don't forget Jan Hlavac, Jamie Lundmark and Thomas Pock. Remember Slats saying "I don't wanna give up any of my kids" about 10 years ago around the trading deadline?


Honestly I am glad the Rangers pretty much stayed put. I'd rather they take their chances with what they have. Play heart attack 1-0, 2-1 hockey. They've done it all year, they should be used to it.

Pavel Brendl


Hack-I agree on your points.

FF-Brendl: you are correct. That was the most hyped one.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: nyhack56 wrote: HBF wrote:
Mottau is one of the most overrated Rangers prospects (along with Manny Malhotra) that I can think of. I almost never drink the cool-aid on the hype that comes with NY prospects because of guys like this.

Don't forget Jan Hlavac, Jamie Lundmark and Thomas Pock. Remember Slats saying "I don't wanna give up any of my kids" about 10 years ago around the trading deadline?

Pavel Brendl

Don't forget about Hugh Jessiman, Dan Blackburn and Daniel Goneau.

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CanadianHorseman wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: nyhack56 wrote: HBF wrote:
Mottau is one of the most overrated Rangers prospects (along with Manny Malhotra) that I can think of. I almost never drink the cool-aid on the hype that comes with NY prospects because of guys like this.

Don't forget Jan Hlavac, Jamie Lundmark and Thomas Pock. Remember Slats saying "I don't wanna give up any of my kids" about 10 years ago around the trading deadline?

Pavel Brendl

Don't forget about Hugh Jessiman, Dan Blackburn and Daniel Goneau.

Blackburn suffered a career ending injury, that shouldn't count. He probably would've been a decent NHL Goalie. Jessiman finally made His NHL debut late last season.



 

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: nyhack56 wrote: HBF wrote:
Mottau is one of the most overrated Rangers prospects (along with Manny Malhotra) that I can think of. I almost never drink the cool-aid on the hype that comes with NY prospects because of guys like this.

Don't forget Jan Hlavac, Jamie Lundmark and Thomas Pock. Remember Slats saying "I don't wanna give up any of my kids" about 10 years ago around the trading deadline?

Pavel Brendl

Don't forget about Hugh Jessiman, Dan Blackburn and Daniel Goneau.


I remember my dad making such a big deal about Hugh Jessiman lol.

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HBF wrote: FF-Brendl: you are correct. That was the most hyped one.

Weren't Brendl and Lundmark drafted the same year, in the first round?

That double-whiff is almost as good as the Hawks swing where they took Pavel Vorobiev and Mikhail Yakobov back-to-back in the first round early in the 2000's. :(

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khawk wrote:
HBF wrote: FF-Brendl: you are correct. That was the most hyped one.

Weren't Brendl and Lundmark drafted the same year, in the first round?

That double-whiff is almost as good as the Hawks swing where they took Pavel Vorobiev and Mikhail Yakobov back-to-back in the first round early in the 2000's. :(


1999. That was an awful draft. Patrick Stefan went #1 to Atlanta and the whole draft, minus the Sedin twins and Henrik Zetterberg, is non-descript.

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khawk wrote: clawmaster wrote: clawmaster wrote: khawk wrote: The Hawks are looking for a 3-4 D-man and a #2 center...and possibly a goalie.

G: I've heard Khabibulin from Edmonton (I'll fucking throw something at the TV if that goes down)

D: Kubina out of Tampa is rumoured.

C: Derek Roy out of Buffalo is a distinct possibility.

The way the hawks have went into free-fall, I hope any moves they do make are small, as it looks like a large part of the supporting cast on that team needs to be blown up in the off-season. the chemistry has been off all year, and once Hossa, Toews, Kane and Sharp hit a wall, their defensive shortcomings were exposed even more than early in the year. early in the year they were winning the 6-4 games, not losing them.

I'd rather they miss the playoffs and rebuild it all next year (preferably with a new GM) than make two or three moves, sacrifice some young talent and get into the playoffs in 7th or 8th. They won't advance past the first round this time out..or even make their first round series close, like last year.

The streaky Hawks have now won 4 in a row!!

So much for the winning streak. The Hawks blew it last night in the 3rd period. With Toews hurt, another long win less streak might commence.


The problem the Hawks have is that they can afford to spin their wheels for a few weeks. They aren't in imminent danger of missing the playoffs whre they sit (6th), but they have no shot at catching anyone above them.

The longer Toews is out, the more they will lose. No team misses one guy as much as the Hawks miss Toews.

I don't think Stan Bowman has the balls to make a "big" deal. Dumbass will probably just bring Chris Campoli back. **vomits**

Oduya might not be great but he's better than that goon Scott.

Hawks have won three in a row. Emery got a ton of help from the goal post though today against Detroit. 

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clawmaster wrote: Oduya might not be great but he's better than that goon Scott.

Hawks have won three in a row. Emery got a ton of help from the goal post though today against Detroit. 


Scott was mis-used when they had him on D. His minutes and job description were much better suited for a 4th-line winger.

Emery is the defacto #1 guy now, and he deserves it, he's played well and is making the saves he needs to make.

Whatever kind of run they go on will mean nothing if Jonathan Toews is out for the season...and it doesn't look like he'll be back anytime soon. :(

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khawk wrote: clawmaster wrote: Oduya might not be great but he's better than that goon Scott.

Hawks have won three in a row. Emery got a ton of help from the goal post though today against Detroit. 


Scott was mis-used when they had him on D. His minutes and job description were much better suited for a 4th-line winger.

Emery is the defacto #1 guy now, and he deserves it, he's played well and is making the saves he needs to make.

Whatever kind of run they go on will mean nothing if Jonathan Toews is out for the season...and it doesn't look like he'll be back anytime soon. :(

Agree with everything you typed especially your point about Toews.

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khawk wrote: clawmaster wrote: Oduya might not be great but he's better than that goon Scott.

Hawks have won three in a row. Emery got a ton of help from the goal post though today against Detroit. 


Scott was mis-used when they had him on D. His minutes and job description were much better suited for a 4th-line winger.

Emery is the defacto #1 guy now, and he deserves it, he's played well and is making the saves he needs to make.

Whatever kind of run they go on will mean nothing if Jonathan Toews is out for the season...and it doesn't look like he'll be back anytime soon. :(

Oduya scored the game winner tonight. I fucking hate The Vancouver Canucks. Toews still out of action though.

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clawmaster wrote: Oduya scored the game winner tonight. I fucking hate The Vancouver Canucks. Toews still out of action though.


It deflected in off of Andrew Shaw, but yeah, I hate those backstabbing Canuck twatsniffers as well. Duncan Keith will sit for three or so games because of his hit on Danielle Sedin, and I have no problem with that at all. Little queer started it going for Keith's head in the corner.

 

Keith can use the rest, plus fuck Danielle.

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5 game suspension for Duncan Keith.

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clawmaster wrote: 5 game suspension for Duncan Keith.

The only thing I'm sad about is that it wasn't Alex Burrows that he elbowed. Other than that, take 5 games off, rest up for the playoffs, and hope that Danielle Sedin is out for a while.

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khawk wrote: clawmaster wrote: 5 game suspension for Duncan Keith.

The only thing I'm sad about is that it wasn't Alex Burrows that he elbowed. Other than that, take 5 games off, rest up for the playoffs, and hope that Danielle Sedin is out for a while.

He probably will be as the Canucks have now confirmed that Sedin suffered a concussion.


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Hawks beat Nashville 5-4 to clinch a playoff spot. Hawks were winning 4-0 then Nashville scored 4 straight goals to tie the game. Brent Seabrook scored the game winner for the Hawks. Still no Toews. There have been rumors he might play Thursday night.

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Flyers beat the Pens again in Shitsburgh 6-4. Crosby whining like the Pussy He is, is a beautiful thing.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Flyers beat the Pens again in Shitsburgh 6-4. Crosby whining like the Pussy He is, is a beautiful thing.
The coaches almost fought. Great game.

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Please don't tell me you think that wasn't a cheap shot just because it was Crosby getting hit.

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sek69 wrote: Please don't tell me you think that wasn't a cheap shot just because it was Crosby getting hit.

There are about 20 of those type of " cheap shots" a game in the NHL.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: sek69 wrote: Please don't tell me you think that wasn't a cheap shot just because it was Crosby getting hit.

There are about 20 of those type of " cheap shots" a game in the NHL.


....and that's why the NHL struggles to get any kind of viewership outside of Canada and a few US cites within a few hours drive of the border.

The reaction to all this has been hilarious, first some scrub cross checks the face of the league on the way to the bench (from behind, way after the play is over). Then the team that is supposed to be all about being rough completely and totally loses their shit when one of the Pens' fourth liners levels a guy cleanly center ice.

That doesn't even cover Mike Milbury going on radio and making fun of Crosby's concussions and calling Bylsma a pussy I guess for not walking across to the Flyers' bench to single-handedly fight the entire team? I'm sure Dan would beat Milbury's ass but Mike would want no part of him considering he doesn't play on a pee wee team.


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sek69 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: sek69 wrote: Please don't tell me you think that wasn't a cheap shot just because it was Crosby getting hit.

There are about 20 of those type of " cheap shots" a game in the NHL.


....and that's why the NHL struggles to get any kind of viewership outside of Canada and a few US cites within a few hours drive of the border.

The reaction to all this has been hilarious, first some scrub cross checks the face of the league on the way to the bench (from behind, way after the play is over). Then the team that is supposed to be all about being rough completely and totally loses their shit when one of the Pens' fourth liners levels a guy cleanly center ice.

That doesn't even cover Mike Milbury going on radio and making fun of Crosby's concussions and calling Bylsma a pussy I guess for not walking across to the Flyers' bench to single-handedly fight the entire team? I'm sure Dan would beat Milbury's ass but Mike would want no part of him considering he doesn't play on a pee wee team.



So, are You trying to say that there should be seperate rules for Crosby & Malkin compared to the rest of the players in the league? If so, now You understand on why most NHL Fans can't stand Pittsburgh or Crosby. Second, Brayden Schenn isn't " some scrub" who hit Crysby. The Kid was the top Junior prospect in the World last year.  I do agree with You that the Hit on Briere was a good, legal hit, but Malkin & Crosby are 2 of the dirtest players in the league and Schenn was paying Crosby back from a dirty play earlier in the game.. Did You see when Crosby slashed Voracek so hard across His Leg that Crosby stick shattered in Two with no penalty call, right in front of the Ref? I guess that's fine because it's Crosby.

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Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

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Cory17 wrote: Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

Agreed - he might have been LA's top prospect last year but he definitely wasn't the top overall prospect.

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CanadianHorseman wrote: Cory17 wrote: Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

Agreed - he might have been LA's top prospect last year but he definitely wasn't the top overall prospect.


He was third behind Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson, so let's not act like he was a nothing prospect.  

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/hockey_top_50_prospects/

 

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I'm pretty sure cross checking a guy way after the play is over is a no no already, so no I'm not calling for special rules for Crosby.

This is the same shit that pissed Mario off and is the reason he never wanted to do any PR for the league. Every other major sport realizes you need to keep your money making stars on the field. It's bullshit that the NFL calls roughing if someone lightly brushes Brady as they run by, but you know what? He's Tom Fucking Brady and makes them a bazillion dollars so I get it. The NHL lets their top guys (not just the ones who play for the Pens) get beat on and all it does most cases is shorten their careers. The whole dinosaur mentality that exists where you have to let the lesser skilled guys hang on/beat up the stars is by far the #1 thing holding the league back.

Don't believe me? Consider that they are considering bringing back the red line in an effort to prevent concussion causing hits (which wouldn't address that issue but whatevs), and anyone under 60 knows all that will do is bring back the mid 90s New Jersey style obstruction filled borefests that will have viewers snoozing in their seats. It sometimes feels like the NHL goes out of their way to come up with ways to keep their most exciting players bottled up.

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Cory17 wrote: Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

According to the Hockey News Future Watch issue that I have He was the top prospect.

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JB5 wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: Cory17 wrote: Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

Agreed - he might have been LA's top prospect last year but he definitely wasn't the top overall prospect.


He was third behind Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson, so let's not act like he was a nothing prospect.  

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: JB5 wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: Cory17 wrote: Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

Agreed - he might have been LA's top prospect last year but he definitely wasn't the top overall prospect.


He was third behind Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson, so let's not act like he was a nothing prospect.  

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/hockey_top_50_prospects/

 

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That wasn't from the message board, it was from Hockeysfuture.com.

I know the boards are a joke, but those are the actual rankings

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Craig Berube said that Crosby and Malkin are " .....the two dirtiest players on their hockey team ". Berube would be an expert on playing dirty so maybe he's right. :tongue:

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The bad blood between the Pittsburgh Penguins and Philadelphia Flyers just keeps spilling over.

Flyers assistant coach Craig Berube threw his two cents into the war of words on CSN Philly's Daily News Live Tuesday, calling Penguins stars Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin, "the two dirtiest players on their hockey team."

"They slash, they punch guys in the face they do all these little things," said Berube. "I got no problem with what Schenn does, and if somebody runs [Crosby] over, that's great, they should run him over. This guy gets away with too much in my opinion, whines to the refs all day and all night, it's a joke."

Berube's comments are just the latest in a heated set of exchanges between the two teams that began during the Flyers 6-4 win over the Penguins on Sunday.

The game ended with a line brawl and 52 minutes in penalties being shared between the two teams from just that incident.

One of the factors that touched off the fighting was a cross-check to Penguins forward Sidney Crosby's back by Flyers forward Brayden Schenn that was followed by a hit on Danny Briere by Joe Vitale.

On Monday, NHL analyst Mike Milbury lashed out at Crosby and Penguins head coach Dan Bylsma on Philadelphia 's Sports Radio 94WIP.

Milbury said that Bylsma, "should have taken off his skirt" and done more to confront Flyers head coach Peter Laviolette.

Milbury also spoke out about the actions of Crosby during the game.

"Crosby gets cross-checked, big whoop," Milbury said. "He said after he came back from his 35th concussion, 'I'm not going to do this anymore, I'm not going to get into those scrums, I'm going to stay away from that stuff' but he couldn't help himself because there is a little punk in Crosby. He's not the perfect gentleman, he's not that little sweet kid you see in all those interviews with his hat pulled down over his eyes. I say screw him, hit him."

Milbury's comments prompted an angry response from Penguins' general manager Ray Shero.

"If it was an attempt at comedy, it falls real short," Shero told TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun on ESPN.com on Tuesday. "It's fine to have an opinion on players but when you're making light of concussions, that's not right...

"There's nothing funny about [former Flyers captain] Keith Primeau having to retire from it. This is an issue that is at the forefront of our league right now and to make light of these concussions is a real lame attempt at humor. He should know better than this."

Milbury then apologized for his comments.

"I reached out to David Morehouse and the Penguins about the comments I made yesterday on Philadelphia radio." Milbury said in a statement. "In hindsight, I realize what I said was inappropriate and wrong, and I want to apologize to the Penguins organization and their fans."

The Penguins and Flyers will meet one more time in the final game of the season and also look to be headed towards a first round playoff matchup

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JB5 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: JB5 wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: Cory17 wrote: Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

Agreed - he might have been LA's top prospect last year but he definitely wasn't the top overall prospect.


He was third behind Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson, so let's not act like he was a nothing prospect.  

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/hockey_top_50_prospects/

 

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That wasn't from the message board, it was from Hockeysfuture.com.

I know the boards are a joke, but those are the actual rankings

Sorry, Hockey Futures are a joke to.

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Regardless of how they were ranked, look at the season Schenn has had compared to RNH, they're not even close.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: JB5 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: JB5 wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: Cory17 wrote: Schenn was not the top prospect last year.

Agreed - he might have been LA's top prospect last year but he definitely wasn't the top overall prospect.


He was third behind Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson, so let's not act like he was a nothing prospect.  

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/hockey_top_50_prospects/

 

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That wasn't from the message board, it was from Hockeysfuture.com.

I know the boards are a joke, but those are the actual rankings

Sorry, Hockey Futures are a joke to.

Bullshit. Their track record is much better than the Hockey News at propect predictions.

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To each His own. I prefer the Hockey News over Hockey Futures.

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Craig Berube said that Crosby and Malkin are " .....the two dirtiest players on their hockey team ". Berube would be an expert on playing dirty so maybe he's right. :tongue:



They are.

Malkin is one of those "repeat offenders without a history."

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote:
Craig Berube said that Crosby and Malkin are " .....the two dirtiest players on their hockey team ". Berube would be an expert on playing dirty so maybe he's right. :tongue:



They are.

Malkin is one of those "repeat offenders without a history."

Malkin was the one who started the fight against Henrik Zetterberg in the Finals, received an instigator for starting a fight in the last 5 minutes of a game, which would've meant a suspension for the following game. Somehow, the instigator " magically" went away, and He played in the next game. So there are special rules for Malkin & Crosby.

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Here is Rangers Coach John Tortorella from last night's Rangers/Pens game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf8hutvso_g&feature=player_embedded#!

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So .... get a load of this from Tortorella on Orpik's knee on Stepan: (cont'd next tweet)

Torts: "It's a cheap, dirty hit. I wonder what would happen if we did it to their two whining stars over there." #NYR

Torts: "Just no respect amongst players, none. It's sickening." #NYR

Torts: "It's one of the most arrogant organizations in the league. They whine about this stuff all the time, and look what happens." #NYR

Torts: "It's ridiculous, but they'll whine about something else over there, won't they? Starting with their two (bleep) stars." #NYR

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Kinda ironic its coming from Torts. I love him, but he is one of, if not the biggest fuckin whiner in the league.



 

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Here is Rangers Coach John Tortorella from last night's Rangers/Pens game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf8hutvso_g&feature=player_embedded#!

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So .... get a load of this from Tortorella on Orpik's knee on Stepan: (cont'd next tweet)

Torts: "It's a cheap, dirty hit. I wonder what would happen if we did it to their two whining stars over there." #NYR

Torts: "Just no respect amongst players, none. It's sickening." #NYR

Torts: "It's one of the most arrogant organizations in the league. They whine about this stuff all the time, and look what happens." #NYR

Torts: "It's ridiculous, but they'll whine about something else over there, won't they? Starting with their two (bleep) stars." #NYR



It is what it is. Hockey is a violent game. I won't complain about Orpik's hit, whether it was dirty or not, but I also don't want to hear Crosby whine when he gets frieght-trained in one of these playoff games.

One thing is for certain. You can change the equipment and rules all you want, injuries in hockey won't change until the players change.

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Say what you will about Crosby, but what confuses me is A: when has Malkin ever whined, and B: if he did no one can understand what the hell he says so why would it bother anyone?

Also I think Torts was just piling on with the Orpik hit since bashing the Pens suddenly became the hot thing to do. Brooks lead the team with like 250+ hits, and this was the first one I recall that was questionable so it's not like it was a Matt Cooke cheapshot deal.

Personally, it's been kind of funny to see the team I root for suddenly become the "heels" of the NHL. I think they should go with it actually. Whenever a team gets a power play on them, Bylsma should throw in his shoe like J.J. Dillon to help them cheat to win.

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Craig Berube said that Crosby and Malkin are " .....the two dirtiest players on their hockey team ". Berube would be an expert on playing dirty so maybe he's right. :tongue:



They are.

Malkin is one of those "repeat offenders without a history."

Malkin was the one who started the fight against Henrik Zetterberg in the Finals, received an instigator for starting a fight in the last 5 minutes of a game, which would've meant a suspension for the following game. Somehow, the instigator " magically" went away, and He played in the next game. So there are special rules for Malkin & Crosby.


Malkin did not receive the suspension because Campbell and Bettman said "he had no prior history." The only problem was it was the second time they waived a suspension for him, because he had "no prior history." Wouldn't the second offense constitute "prior history"? Then he had one more scrape the next season, but was not suspended, or fined because he had "no prior history."

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sek69 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: sek69 wrote: Please don't tell me you think that wasn't a cheap shot just because it was Crosby getting hit.

There are about 20 of those type of " cheap shots" a game in the NHL.


....and that's why the NHL struggles to get any kind of viewership outside of Canada and a few US cites within a few hours drive of the border.

The reaction to all this has been hilarious, first some scrub cross checks the face of the league on the way to the bench (from behind, way after the play is over). Then the team that is supposed to be all about being rough completely and totally loses their shit when one of the Pens' fourth liners levels a guy cleanly center ice.

That doesn't even cover Mike Milbury going on radio and making fun of Crosby's concussions and calling Bylsma a pussy I guess for not walking across to the Flyers' bench to single-handedly fight the entire team? I'm sure Dan would beat Milbury's ass but Mike would want no part of him considering he doesn't play on a pee wee team.



That " Scrub" You talked about had 1 Goal & 2 Assists in His First playoff game.



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