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 Posted: Thu Oct 4th, 2012 04:22 am
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Principal_Raditch wrote:
stingmark wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: You're only look at Offence though. Trout's a gold glover, Cabrera might be the worst 3b in MLB. So Offensively Cabrera has a slight advantage. On the basepaths, Trout has a massive advantage. Defensively Trout has a massive advantage. It's a close call.

They dont give a player the TC because of defense, as it's an offensive based award, so your argument about his defense, is moot as it pertains to the TC. I believe Cabrera isĀ  a gold glover in the past. He switched positions so that Fielder could play first base, I would guess that if you were the manager, you'd probably do something similar.

Then how did Jimmy Rollins win the MVP with shittier offensive numbers than at least 4 other players in 2007? I was talking about winning an MVP based on overall ability, not TC.


Not sure, mvp is not the tc, why are you asking me about something that happened 5 yrs ago, that neither of us had control over or say so on. I didnt vote for him, ask the voters. They make boo boos all the time, If Cabrera wins mvp, will you have the same issues with it as well?

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On that note, Yahoo's claiming it's official that Miggy's won the TC, congrats Miggy on a well deserved award. Also claiming it's almost a certainty he'll win the mvp. Nice to see it kept in the D for one more year.



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stingmark wrote: On that note, Yahoo's claiming it's official that Miggy's won the TC, congrats Miggy on a well deserved award. Also claiming it's almost a certainty he'll win the mvp. Nice to see it kept in the D for one more year.
He should have been the MVP last year. Not Verlander.



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The Triple Crown is not an award it's simply a statistical accomplishment.



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clawmaster wrote: stingmark wrote: On that note, Yahoo's claiming it's official that Miggy's won the TC, congrats Miggy on a well deserved award. Also claiming it's almost a certainty he'll win the mvp. Nice to see it kept in the D for one more year.
He should have been the MVP last year. Not Verlander.
I agree.

Winning the TC is an accomplishment thats for sure. 

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srossi wrote: If Cabrera wins the TC, I would vote for him.  But it's no guarantee if history is any indication.  Ted Williams won the TC twice and didn't win the MVP, and Lou Gehrig and Chuck Klein are 2 other TC winners who didn't win the MVP.  You can put an asterisk besides Klein's name though because he finished 2nd to Carl Hubbell before there was a Cy Young award. 

 

Gehrig not winning the MVP award in his TC season is a puzzler. It's not as if he was hated by the writers like Williams was. Gehrig wasn't even the MVP of the Yankees.
Here are the top 5 vote getters that year in the AL.

Mickey Cochrane  -    2   76 .320
Charlie Gehringer - 11  127 .356
Lefty Gomez -       26-5  2.33
Schoolboy Rowe - 24-8  3.45
Lou Gehrig -           49   165  .363

 

Even Gehringer had better stats than Cochrane.

 

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lobo316 wrote: srossi wrote: If Cabrera wins the TC, I would vote for him.  But it's no guarantee if history is any indication.  Ted Williams won the TC twice and didn't win the MVP, and Lou Gehrig and Chuck Klein are 2 other TC winners who didn't win the MVP.  You can put an asterisk besides Klein's name though because he finished 2nd to Carl Hubbell before there was a Cy Young award. 

 

Gehrig not winning the MVP award in his TC season is a puzzler. It's not as if he was hated by the writers like Williams was. Gehrig wasn't even the MVP of the Yankees.
Here are the top 5 vote getters that year in the AL.

Mickey Cochrane  -    2   76 .320
Charlie Gehringer - 11  127 .356
Lefty Gomez -       26-5  2.33
Schoolboy Rowe - 24-8  3.45
Lou Gehrig -           49   165  .363

 

Even Gehringer had better stats than Cochrane.

 

The only thing I can think of is that it was a backlash by old-school writers who were protesting the Murderer's Row Yankees that changed the game and wanted Ty Cobb baseball to come back.  Cochrane was that gritty 1800s type player who was also a catcher who caught about 130 games that year, which today is unheard of and even back then was not common.  People forget how much the home run was hated by "real" baseball fans back then.  Cobb easily got more votes than Ruth when the first HOF class was announced, and that was another 8 years after this MVP vote.  Gehrig was very well-liked though, as polite and clean-cut and well-educated (Columbia student but left before graduating) as any star player since Christy Mathewson.  But this was decades before anyone really gave a shit about  athletes as role models.  Cobb treated most everyone like shit and was adored.  You can see how much things changed even by the time Williams came along.  And now, forget about it.

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srossi wrote: lobo316 wrote: srossi wrote: If Cabrera wins the TC, I would vote for him.  But it's no guarantee if history is any indication.  Ted Williams won the TC twice and didn't win the MVP, and Lou Gehrig and Chuck Klein are 2 other TC winners who didn't win the MVP.  You can put an asterisk besides Klein's name though because he finished 2nd to Carl Hubbell before there was a Cy Young award. 

 

Gehrig not winning the MVP award in his TC season is a puzzler. It's not as if he was hated by the writers like Williams was. Gehrig wasn't even the MVP of the Yankees.
Here are the top 5 vote getters that year in the AL.

Mickey Cochrane  -    2   76 .320
Charlie Gehringer - 11  127 .356
Lefty Gomez -       26-5  2.33
Schoolboy Rowe - 24-8  3.45
Lou Gehrig -           49   165  .363

 

Even Gehringer had better stats than Cochrane.

 

The only thing I can think of is that it was a backlash by old-school writers who were protesting the Murderer's Row Yankees that changed the game and wanted Ty Cobb baseball to come back.  Cochrane was that gritty 1800s type player who was also a catcher who caught about 130 games that year, which today is unheard of and even back then was not common.  People forget how much the home run was hated by "real" baseball fans back then.  Cobb easily got more votes than Ruth when the first HOF class was announced, and that was another 8 years after this MVP vote.  Gehrig was very well-liked though, as polite and clean-cut and well-educated (Columbia student but left before graduating) as any star player since Christy Mathewson.  But this was decades before anyone really gave a shit about  athletes as role models.  Cobb treated most everyone like shit and was adored.  You can see how much things changed even by the time Williams came along.  And now, forget about it.


 

An anti MRY backlash.....maybe, but then why not Gehringer for the MYP ?

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