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broke wrote: Got news my friends in Syracuse were finally able to sell their house after having the thing listed for 5 years.  They bought it in the early 90's when the area was an older but good working class neighbourhood.  Of course, the City decided to put up low and no income project housing nearby which attracted meth-heads of all colours.  All the working class Blacks and Scandinavians that used to live in the area have been replaced with crack whores, gang bangers, wiggers, and so forth.  They estimate their house has been broken into 3 times in the last 5 years, and took a loss of over 30 grand on their house. 

A lot of people in their situation would have rented the house out, which would have been a headache. Others would have resorted to Greek Lightning and be done with it.

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6 killed and 10 injured last night here in Chicago. Two weeks ago that little fairy I have for a mayor attended a basketball gangbanging summit. Compare those policies to that of Guilliani. I don't live in NY, but it seems like he did a great job domesticating the youts.

Do you even know what Giuliani's policies were and the great job that he did in continuing the downturn in crime started by David Dinkins in NYC and actually took place nationwide?



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silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
6 killed and 10 injured last night here in Chicago. Two weeks ago that little fairy I have for a mayor attended a basketball gangbanging summit. Compare those policies to that of Guilliani. I don't live in NY, but it seems like he did a great job domesticating the youts.

Do you even know what Giuliani's policies were and the great job that he did in continuing the downturn in crime started by David Dinkins in NYC and actually took place nationwide?


Operation Broken Window. He also saturated cops in high crime areas. He basically instituted tough policing, which is the only language hardened dirtbags understand.

Also, to my understanding, he removed the human eyesores that are commonly called homeless from the streets and train stations.

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BlueThunder wrote: silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
6 killed and 10 injured last night here in Chicago. Two weeks ago that little fairy I have for a mayor attended a basketball gangbanging summit. Compare those policies to that of Guilliani. I don't live in NY, but it seems like he did a great job domesticating the youts.

Do you even know what Giuliani's policies were and the great job that he did in continuing the downturn in crime started by David Dinkins in NYC and actually took place nationwide?


Operation Broken Window. He also saturated cops in high crime areas. He basically instituted tough policing, which is the only language hardened dirtbags understand.

Also, to my understanding, he removed the human eyesores that are commonly called homeless from the streets and train stations.

The reduction in crime started under David Dinkins as I said before and there was a nationwide drop in crime during that same time period. And the homeless are still here and have been here all my life. The only thing that's gone is the squeegees.



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silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote: silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
6 killed and 10 injured last night here in Chicago. Two weeks ago that little fairy I have for a mayor attended a basketball gangbanging summit. Compare those policies to that of Guilliani. I don't live in NY, but it seems like he did a great job domesticating the youts.

Do you even know what Giuliani's policies were and the great job that he did in continuing the downturn in crime started by David Dinkins in NYC and actually took place nationwide?


Operation Broken Window. He also saturated cops in high crime areas. He basically instituted tough policing, which is the only language hardened dirtbags understand.

Also, to my understanding, he removed the human eyesores that are commonly called homeless from the streets and train stations.

The reduction in crime started under David Dinkins as I said before and there was a nationwide drop in crime during that same time period. And the homeless are still here and have been here all my life. The only thing that's gone is the squeegees.

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broke wrote: Got news my friends in Syracuse were finally able to sell their house after having the thing listed for 5 years.  They bought it in the early 90's when the area was an older but good working class neighbourhood.  Of course, the City decided to put up low and no income project housing nearby which attracted meth-heads of all colours.  All the working class Blacks and Scandinavians that used to live in the area have been replaced with crack whores, gang bangers, wiggers, and so forth.  They estimate their house has been broken into 3 times in the last 5 years, and took a loss of over 30 grand on their house. 


Reminds me of this 2008 article in The Atlantic about the bulldozing of projects in Memphis.  As the former tenants were relocated in "nice" neighborhoods crime rates went up near their new homes, while rates went down where they'd formerly lived. 

When his map was complete, a clear if strangely shaped pattern emerged: Wait a minute, he recalled thinking. I see this bunny rabbit coming up. People are going to accuse me of being on shrooms! The inner city, where crime used to be concentrated, was now clean. But everywhere else looked much worse: arrests had skyrocketed along two corridors north and west of the central city (the bunny rabbit’s ears) and along one in the southeast (the tail). Hot spots had proliferated since the mid-1990s, and little islands of crime had sprung up where none had existed before, dotting the map all around the city.

Janikowski might not have managed to pinpoint the cause of this pattern if he hadn’t been married to Phyllis Betts, a housing expert at the University of Memphis.... About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test. Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts’s map of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a sideways horseshoe (“He has a better imagination,” she said). Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots.

And of course the next bit of the article talks about how difficult it was for them to accept their findings.  Liberalism, political-correctness, leftism, whatever you want to call it, is a sickness.  When your instincts are to avoid what's plainly obvious because you don't want to offend or stray from the party line, yet people are dying because of your silence, it's a sickness. 



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silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote: silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
6 killed and 10 injured last night here in Chicago. Two weeks ago that little fairy I have for a mayor attended a basketball gangbanging summit. Compare those policies to that of Guilliani. I don't live in NY, but it seems like he did a great job domesticating the youts.

Do you even know what Giuliani's policies were and the great job that he did in continuing the downturn in crime started by David Dinkins in NYC and actually took place nationwide?


Operation Broken Window. He also saturated cops in high crime areas. He basically instituted tough policing, which is the only language hardened dirtbags understand.

Also, to my understanding, he removed the human eyesores that are commonly called homeless from the streets and train stations.

The reduction in crime started under David Dinkins as I said before and there was a nationwide drop in crime during that same time period. And the homeless are still here and have been here all my life. The only thing that's gone is the squeegees.


You're right about the nationwide reduction in crime. I'll give you that. In the early 90's there were nearly 1000 homicides a year in Chicago. Since the late 90's, it's been cut in half. I believe gentrification had a lot to do with the reduction in Chicago and NY.

Look, I'm an outsider looking in, and from all accounts, crime dropped much lower in NY than any other city. I mean, NY has more than twice the population than Chicago and there are more homicides in Chicago. Explain that one to me. I don't have time to look up stats, but the last time I did, there was a huge reduction from the time Rudy took office. To an outsider, that looks like a cause-effect. I don't believe that Dinkins instituted Operation Broken Window, which is heralded as the cause of this reduction. Again, I believe gentrification played a big role as well.

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BlueThunder wrote: silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote: silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
6 killed and 10 injured last night here in Chicago. Two weeks ago that little fairy I have for a mayor attended a basketball gangbanging summit. Compare those policies to that of Guilliani. I don't live in NY, but it seems like he did a great job domesticating the youts.

Do you even know what Giuliani's policies were and the great job that he did in continuing the downturn in crime started by David Dinkins in NYC and actually took place nationwide?


Operation Broken Window. He also saturated cops in high crime areas. He basically instituted tough policing, which is the only language hardened dirtbags understand.

Also, to my understanding, he removed the human eyesores that are commonly called homeless from the streets and train stations.

The reduction in crime started under David Dinkins as I said before and there was a nationwide drop in crime during that same time period. And the homeless are still here and have been here all my life. The only thing that's gone is the squeegees.


You're right about the nationwide reduction in crime. I'll give you that. In the early 90's there were nearly 1000 homicides a year in Chicago. Since the late 90's, it's been cut in half. I believe gentrification had a lot to do with the reduction in Chicago and NY.

Look, I'm an outsider looking in, and from all accounts, crime dropped much lower in NY than any other city. I mean, NY has more than twice the population than Chicago and there are more homicides in Chicago. Explain that one to me. I don't have time to look up stats, but the last time I did, there was a huge reduction from the time Rudy took office. To an outsider, that looks like a cause-effect. I don't believe that Dinkins instituted Operation Broken Window, which is heralded as the cause of this reduction. Again, I believe gentrification played a big role as well.

The projects are still here in NY and all of the high crime neighborhoods from the 80's to 90's are still heavily Black and Latino. Gentrification is overstated and the whites who move into those areas are the most likely to even get robbed.



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BlueThunder wrote: silentkiller wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
6 killed and 10 injured last night here in Chicago. Two weeks ago that little fairy I have for a mayor attended a basketball gangbanging summit. Compare those policies to that of Guilliani. I don't live in NY, but it seems like he did a great job domesticating the youts.

Do you even know what Giuliani's policies were and the great job that he did in continuing the downturn in crime started by David Dinkins in NYC and actually took place nationwide?


Operation Broken Window. He also saturated cops in high crime areas. He basically instituted tough policing, which is the only language hardened dirtbags understand.

Also, to my understanding, he removed the human eyesores that are commonly called homeless from the streets and train stations.

The reduction in crime started under David Dinkins as I said before and there was a nationwide drop in crime during that same time period. And the homeless are still here and have been here all my life. The only thing that's gone is the squeegees.


I do not miss those squeegees!



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As someone who was born and raised in Memphis, it has evolved in to a toilet. The city has been deadlocked in racial tension since the assasination of MLK and just can't seem to shake it. The Shannon Street Siege in January 1983 reinforced the tension in the minds of a lot of people and helped laid the groundwork for the state of the city as we see it today. A number of the characters involved in the siege and its aftermatch became very high profile in city government, the police department, and beyond well in to the present day.

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Chicago just recorded their 500th homicide for the year, while NY, with more than double the population has around 411. The year isn't over yet. The one saving grace is that it's going to be cold throughout the week.

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So it wasn't a bad idea to stay in Itasca and commute into the city then.

I think Toronto may have had 60 - maybe less.



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broke wrote: So it wasn't a bad idea to stay in Itasca and commute into the city then.

I think Toronto may have had 60 - maybe less.

The killings are not evenly distributed throughout the city. They're clustered in certain areas. If you got a Hotel Downtown or just north of downtown, you'd be okay.

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BlueThunder wrote:
broke wrote: So it wasn't a bad idea to stay in Itasca and commute into the city then.

I think Toronto may have had 60 - maybe less.

The killings are not evenly distributed throughout the city. They're clustered in certain areas. If you got a Hotel Downtown or just north of downtown, you'd be okay.


There have been shootings even downtown this year.

The main issue Chicago is dealing with is the fact they are announcing ahead of time where the cops are going to be for awhile, allowing the thugs to shoot up other area's.

The magnificent mile used to have very little crime, because the CPD were always in that area, but they pulled many from there and sent them to the bad areas(and announced that fact), so of course the thugs are going to take advantage of that

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mike3775 wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
broke wrote: So it wasn't a bad idea to stay in Itasca and commute into the city then.

I think Toronto may have had 60 - maybe less.

The killings are not evenly distributed throughout the city. They're clustered in certain areas. If you got a Hotel Downtown or just north of downtown, you'd be okay.


There have been shootings even downtown this year.

The main issue Chicago is dealing with is the fact they are announcing ahead of time where the cops are going to be for awhile, allowing the thugs to shoot up other area's.

The magnificent mile used to have very little crime, because the CPD were always in that area, but they pulled many from there and sent them to the bad areas(and announced that fact), so of course the thugs are going to take advantage of that

Yeah, can't really add much to that. If I'm not mistaken, NY has more cops per capita than Chicago. I'm sure that makes a difference.

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