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 Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2012 07:38 pm
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Doesn't Disney own a piece of Sesame Street now, or is that just The Muppets side with Kermit being licensed to SS?

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mike3775 wrote: yellowdog wrote:
mike3775 wrote: PBS really does not need tax money to survive. There is no way they are not bringing in millions a year through their billions of "fundraising drives" they do monthly

PBS definitely needs tax money to survive.  If cuts to Public Broadcasting go through most public TV stations will close.  The only ones that will survive will be the giants like WGBH, KQED, WETA and a handful of others.  Consolidation would be needed, big stations take over little and local service to many, many communities would be lost and replaced with network programming from a few sources.  Much of the documentary work would be eliminated.  Local programming illuminating important, local issues would be gone.  Many of the national shows would be unsustainable because they would not have enough stations paying for content development or acquisition.  PBS would become nothing more than a national cable channel.  TV costs about 5 times as much as radio to produce and operate.

As for NPR, it's much less of an issue.  Public Radio news stations are doing just fine and many would survive federal cuts usually amounting to about 6-8%.  Big market stations would easily overcome that loss, but medium and small markets would be hurt.  In some regards small stations are more inportant than big ones n that those stations is smaller markets play a more significant role because of less competition.

In the end the whole issue is a great big red herring.  The United States ranks LAST among civilized countries in our per capita support of Public Broadcasting.  Even Pakistan spends more for Public Broadcasting than we do.  YOUR annual tax contribution to Public Broadcasting......... less than 3 cents a year.

 

 


WTTW in Chicago, gets SHITLOADS in revenues from donations. Same with the Indianapolis PBS affiliate, along with South Bend( all 3share programming incidentally, if you miss it on South Bend, tune in to Chicago an hour later and it's on again). My friend works for Indianapolis based PBS and he told me they get millions in donations yearly, and that's just from the 25th largest market in the US, and he works in their accounting department, so I doubt he is lying to me.

The Indy PBS also gets millions from sponsorships from businesses as well, which again go into the millions.

PBS is not hurting for money like they love to claim. If they need money so badly, cut the corporate pay structure in half ( WTTW's head earns $670k a year, not bad for a tax payer financed operation IMO)


Mike, that is absolute bullshit.  To begin with you can't compare a PBS station in Chicago to most of the stations.  WTTW is one of the most successful public TV operations in the country.  remember I said some will do just fine?  WTTW is one of those.  Yes the station in Indianapolis gets millions from contributors.  Do you know how much it cost to run a station?  And the head of WTTW receiving only $670,000 to run a multi-million dollar corporation compared to his counterparts in commercial TV making millions annually isn't appropriate?  How do you recruit talented execs for public broadcasting if their isn't a somewhat competitive rate.  If you don't hire talented execs what happens to your business? Do you think boradcasting is any less easy or cheaper for Pub broadcasters than for commercial broadcasters? 

You call it tax payer financed when in fact most public TV stations raise 80% of the funding locally through contributions and underwriting sales NOT TAXES.  A few states match fed dollars with state funding but that's quickly disappearing.  For public radio more than 90% is raised locally through local fundraising efforts and no connection to taxes. 

Your solution to chop the salaries is short sighted and unrealistic.  You couldn't be more wrong about the state of PBS' fianances and you don't understand the economics of the system which is not just PBS but may other program providers/producers and hundreds of stations across the country that are independently owned and operated.  They only buy programming from PBS.  They have no control over the governance.

and as I also mentioned... less than 3 cents a year comes from you for PBS/NPR.  Really?

You need to do a little more homework if you're going to prove that PBS is healthy.  That's simply not true.



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yellowdog wrote: Sesame Street and its production company the Sesame Workshop do make a lot of money from product licensing, but not nearly enough to cover expenses.
Then there's something seriously wrong with the way the company is run.  If a restaurant doesn't make enough to cover expenses, they cut expenses or go out of business and no one cries for them.  I'll never undersatnd why it's OK to mismanage taxpayer money but not personal money.  It should be the opposite.  If a company like Sesame Street can't figure out how to be profitable with their own money, then you can just imagine how they're wasting and abusing the taxpayers' money.  This is government waste in a nutshell.  Pay $2 million for something that usually costs 35 cents (not an exaggeration, this stuff happens) because it's someone else's money so who cares.  

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srossi wrote: yellowdog wrote: Sesame Street and its production company the Sesame Workshop do make a lot of money from product licensing, but not nearly enough to cover expenses.
Then there's something seriously wrong with the way the company is run.  If a restaurant doesn't make enough to cover expenses, they cut expenses or go out of business and no one cries for them.  I'll never undersatnd why it's OK to mismanage taxpayer money but not personal money.  It should be the opposite.  If a company like Sesame Street can't figure out how to be profitable with their own money, then you can just imagine how they're wasting and abusing the taxpayers' money.  This is government waste in a nutshell.  Pay $2 million for something that usually costs 35 cents (not an exaggeration, this stuff happens) because it's someone else's money so who cares.  


what makes you think it's mismanagement instead of the fact that TV production is incredibly expensive?  It has nothing to do with govenrment waste.  How can you even jump to that conclusion without any info to back up the claims?  How can you say that PBS spends money cavalierly when you have nothing to back that up except they make a lot of money.  You can say all you want about whether you think PBS should get any federal funding.  That's an opinion and some feel differently than others.  To say that PBS is mismanaged based on a handful of information is simply not right or accurate. 

Too much misinformation here.



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yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: yellowdog wrote: Sesame Street and its production company the Sesame Workshop do make a lot of money from product licensing, but not nearly enough to cover expenses.
Then there's something seriously wrong with the way the company is run.  If a restaurant doesn't make enough to cover expenses, they cut expenses or go out of business and no one cries for them.  I'll never undersatnd why it's OK to mismanage taxpayer money but not personal money.  It should be the opposite.  If a company like Sesame Street can't figure out how to be profitable with their own money, then you can just imagine how they're wasting and abusing the taxpayers' money.  This is government waste in a nutshell.  Pay $2 million for something that usually costs 35 cents (not an exaggeration, this stuff happens) because it's someone else's money so who cares.  


what makes you think it's mismanagement instead of the fact that TV production is incredibly expensive?  It has nothing to do with govenrment waste.  How can you even jump to that conclusion without any info to back up the claims?  How can you say that PBS spends money cavalierly when you have nothing to back that up except they make a lot of money.  You can say all you want about whether you think PBS should get any federal funding.  That's an opinion and some feel differently than others.  To say that PBS is mismanaged based on a handful of information is simply not right or accurate. 

Too much misinformation here.

I did say that if they can't cover expenses with all the money they make there's some mismanagement and that's absolutely true.  I didn't say those other things though, I only offered a comparison to government waste and lack of respect for taxpayer money.



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srossi wrote: yellowdog wrote: srossi wrote: yellowdog wrote: Sesame Street and its production company the Sesame Workshop do make a lot of money from product licensing, but not nearly enough to cover expenses.
Then there's something seriously wrong with the way the company is run.  If a restaurant doesn't make enough to cover expenses, they cut expenses or go out of business and no one cries for them.  I'll never undersatnd why it's OK to mismanage taxpayer money but not personal money.  It should be the opposite.  If a company like Sesame Street can't figure out how to be profitable with their own money, then you can just imagine how they're wasting and abusing the taxpayers' money.  This is government waste in a nutshell.  Pay $2 million for something that usually costs 35 cents (not an exaggeration, this stuff happens) because it's someone else's money so who cares.  


what makes you think it's mismanagement instead of the fact that TV production is incredibly expensive?  It has nothing to do with govenrment waste.  How can you even jump to that conclusion without any info to back up the claims?  How can you say that PBS spends money cavalierly when you have nothing to back that up except they make a lot of money.  You can say all you want about whether you think PBS should get any federal funding.  That's an opinion and some feel differently than others.  To say that PBS is mismanaged based on a handful of information is simply not right or accurate. 

Too much misinformation here.

I did say that if they can't cover expenses with all the money they make there's some mismanagement and that's absolutely true.  I didn't say those other things though, I only offered a comparison to government waste and lack of respect for taxpayer money.


I apologize if I misunderstood your comments but it sure seemed like you insinuated the things I wrote.  You said mismanagement without any knowledge of production and marketing costs simply based on: ...they make a lot of money so they must be wasting it.   If they're wasting so much money and it's mismanaged why has that never been the subject of attacks from the right?  It's usually something like ...PBS does a fine job, but our fiscal house is out of order and we have to have priorities.  PBS is not that important to continue to fund when we have all these other competing needs and limited resources.

In the end you can say all you want about whether PBS should get federal funding.  I can't argue that either way except to say...less than 3 cents per capita.  But to say that PBS has mismanaged the funds just isn't reality.  The majority of federal funds go directly to stations in the form of community service grants and that is not just a handout.  Stations receive based on how successful they are at raising local funds.  The fed $$$ is matching local $$$ raised.  Always has been the case.  PBS and NPR get very little direct money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (they control the federal appropriations)

 



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Too much to read, was it written in those last few posts anywhere that the accuser recanted?



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whatever wrote: Doesn't Disney own a piece of Sesame Street now, or is that just The Muppets side with Kermit being licensed to SS?
Only The Muppets.



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Elmo wrote his teen boyfriend a nice big check and this all went away..



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Married Jo wrote: Elmo wrote his teen boyfriend a nice big check and this all went away..you know, that was what I was thinking as well.  These days, its way to easy for people to get away with anything if they have the $$$ to pay off the victims.  It worked for Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, That Pittsburgh Steeler who drove drunk and killed someone, etc

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Nothing really "went away" though, he still got outed as a gay man and the forces who want to kill public TV just got handed a gift for the next time they want to take a run at defunding. I can just hear the fundies now claiming they want to save kids from the evil gay menace being used to teach them communism.



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He got outed as a gay man who likes very young boys. Big difference there...if you say "Yeah, I banged him, but I waited till he was legal!" you didn't wait till he was legal..



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And now he's resigned as someone else has stepped forward.  It happened in 1993 but he suddenly realzied that he had suffered psychological damage after the first allegations came to light.  What a coincidence.  And he wants $5 million.

http://gothamist.com/2012/11/20/2nd_accuser.php

It's been just over a week since one man accused Elmo voice actor Kevin Clash of having a sexual relationship with him when he was 16-years-old, and now a second accuser has come out. According to TMZ the new accuser, Cecil Singleton, is now in his 30s, but claims the two had a sexual relationship when he was 15-years-old. In his lawsuit he claims "Clash trolled gay telephone chat line rooms to meet and have sex with underage boys... preying on teenage boys to satisfy his depraved sexual interests." The two allegedly met on one of the chat lines in 1993, when Clash was 32-years-old. According to the AP, Clash has now resigned from Sesame Street, calling the recent allegations "a distraction."

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in New York City, claims Clash "groomed [the accuser] to gain his trust by, among other things, taking him to nice dinners and giving him money." Singleton claims he waited until now because he "did not become aware that he had suffered adverse psychological and emotional effects from Kevin Clash's sexual acts and conduct until 2012." He's asking for over $5 million.

Yesterday Clash's first accuser, Sheldon Stephens, announced he wanted to give his $125,000 back and undo his settlement, which he received after retracting his previous statement and announcing the sexual relationship with Clash was consensual.

 



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So, a 15 year old kid who hung out on gay sex chat lines (kids, get your parents' permission before you call!!), looking to have sex with strangers twice his age is suing somebody because of that person's "depraved sexual interests"?



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srossi wrote:

Yesterday Clash's first accuser, Sheldon Stephens, announced he wanted to give his $125,000 back and undo his settlement, which he received after retracting his previous statement and announcing the sexual relationship with Clash was consensual.

 


told ya...lol..



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