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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 12:26 am
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When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.

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There's need to be discussion about the love and glorification of violence in this country.



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Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.
Again, all they have to do is amend the Consitution. 

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mike3775 wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.
Again, all they have to do is amend the Consitution. 
Sadly it won't ever happen.



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Road Warrior Yajuta wrote: I do want to ask, why does anyone need a fully automatic chopper anyway? 

Because of the Puerto Ricans.



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"fully automatic choppers" are already outlawed.



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Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.




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KGB wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.



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Married Jo wrote: "fully automatic choppers" are already outlawed.Not if you have a federal firearms license they are not.  Regulated all to hell, but not illegal.

Oh and what the hell does anyone need a semi-automatic gun for?  If you are that lousy a shot then you might need to practice. 

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KGB wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.




From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)

There are several versions of the text of the Second Amendment, each with slight capitalization and punctuation differences, found in the official documents surrounding the adoption of the Bill of Rights.[5] One version was passed by the Congress,[6] while another is found in the copies distributed to the States[7] and then ratified by them.

As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]
The verbiage that stands out to me is "well regulated militia". Since when does anybody who walks into a gun store qualify as a "well regulated militia"? Additionally, the "right to bear arms" seems to be important for the "security of a free state". So, since it appears that they are "well regulated" and "necessary to the security of a free state", can gun owners be placed first in line to serve in a war (since they are all "well regulated" and "necessary" and stuff)?
 

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KGB wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.



This is meant as a legit question: Is there any legitimate documentation that supports Carol Roth's views? All I have read about the 2nd Amendment was quoted in Wikipedia.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: KGB wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.




From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)

There are several versions of the text of the Second Amendment, each with slight capitalization and punctuation differences, found in the official documents surrounding the adoption of the Bill of Rights.[5] One version was passed by the Congress,[6] while another is found in the copies distributed to the States[7] and then ratified by them.

As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]
The verbiage that stands out to me is "well regulated militia". Since when does anybody who walks into a gun store qualify as a "well regulated militia"? Additionally, the "right to bear arms" seems to be important for the "security of a free state". So, since it appears that they are "well regulated" and "necessary to the security of a free state", can gun owners be placed first in line to serve in a war (since they are all "well regulated" and "necessary" and stuff)?

A militia simply means average citizens who pick up arms to defend the state, be it against foreign foes or government tyranny.  You can debate "well regulated" but the fact is that militias have always been pretty much rag-tag bunches.  As far as war goes, there were almost as many militia who fought in the Revolutionary War as there were real soldiers, much to Washington's chagrin since he did not like the militias at all and felt they were undisciplined.  Still, without the militia we don't hold the English off long enough for the French to get involved and win the war for us, so they're as big a reason why we're here as anyone.  And militia participated in many wars after that.  So militia fighting in wars was never unusual at all, although it's obviously morphed since then.  But when you have the number of professional soldiers we have today, which was NEVER intended, then obviously it's silly to need untrained militia too.  Military spending and standing armies worldwide is a whole different story though. 



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One of my coworkers cousin goes to the school. My coworker is from CT, and she was freaking out for hrs until she found out through her mother that her cousin was safe.

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silentkiller wrote:
There's need to be discussion about the love and glorification of violence in this country.


Agree

This whole thing is very very sad and disturbing.

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I have to ask a question. I am not sure if my factual knowledge is correct.

If militias are so important - why is there a restriction for a convict to form a militia by denying him gun access?

I have to add that measurements like the voting restriction for convicts are pretty unknown to me. I have no clue if any other country in the western world has these kind of restrictions as well.



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