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 Posted: Mon Aug 24th, 2020 06:59 pm
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10/5/36
defeats Mike Bouskos (11:18)

10/9/36
defeats Hank Metheny [2]

10/12/36
Ted Cox - draw (20:00)

10/30/36
defeats Hank Metheny DQ (23:00)

11/2/36
John Spellman defeats Thesz (21:41)

11/13/36
Thesz defeats Bill Boeing (9:30)

11/20/36 Oakland CA
Thesz defeats Jack McArthur DQ

11/27/36
Thesz defeats Slim Zimbleman (10:00)

12/2/36
Hal Rumberg defeats Thesz (11:11)

12/4/36
Casey Kazajian defeats Thesz (12:00)

12/7/36
Tommy Marvin defeats Thesz (13:22)

12/15/36
Thesz defeats Axel Anderson (3:00)

12/17/36
defeats Roland Kirchmeyer (14:35)

12/22/36
Lou Plummer - Draw (45:00)

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1/5/37
defeats Bill Bartush (26:00)

1/9/37
defeats Warren Bockwinkel (12:15)

1/12/37 Evansville IN
Lou Plummer - Draw

1/13/37 Washington IN
defeats Cliff Theide [2]

1/18/37 Decatur IL
defeats Eddie Newman (22:12)

1/19/37
defeats Tommy O'Toole (20:00)

1/25/37 Decatur IL
Chris Zaharias - Draw (45:00)

1/27/37
defeats Bill Bartush (8:25)

2/2/37
Chris Zaharias - Draw (30:00)

2/10/37
defeats Hans Steinke (14:50)

2/16/37
defeats George Hagen (22:00)

2/23/37 Evansville IN
Chris Zaharias vs. Thesz (No Result)

3/9/37
defeats Jim Parker (16:00)

3/29/37 Galveston TX
Thesz defeats Dutch Hefner

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4/8/37 Chattoonooga TN
Juan Humberto - Draw (60:00)[1]

4/20/37 Evansville IN
Defeats Cowboy Luttrall [2]

4/29/37
defeats Chief Saunooke (10:10)

4/30/37 Atlanta GA
defeats Otto Kuss

5/12/37
MWA World Heavyweight Title
Everett Marshall (c) defeats Thesz (74:28)

5/18/37
Killer Shikuma - Draw (90:00) [1]

5/25/37
defeats Abe Rothberg (20:00)

5/26/37 Springfield IL
defeats Chris Zaharias by Count Out (14:00)

5/28/37
defeats Juan Humberto (33:55)

5/31/37
defeats Juan Humberto [1] (60:00) (wins only fall)

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6/1/37 Evansville IN
defeats Warren Bockwinkel (14:30)

6/17/37
George Koverly - Draw (30:00)

6/28/37 Springfield IL
defeats Laverne Baxter (29:25)

6/29/37 Evansville In
defeats Warren Bockwinkel (19:00)

7/13/37 Springfield IL
defeats Wildman Edwards (21:19)

7/19/37 Springfield IL
Jim McMillen - Draw

7/26/37 Springfield IL
defeats Whitey Hewitt (16:06)

8/16/37 Shreveport LA
Frank Sexton - Draw (30:00)

8/23/37 Shreveport LA
Al Billings - Draw (30:00)

8/30/37 Shreveport LA
Karl Davis - Draw (60:00) [1]

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9/6/37 Shreveport LA
defeats Bill Lewis

9/13/37 Shreveport LA
defeats Marvin Westenberg DQ [2]

9/20/37 Austin TX
defeats George Mansor [2]

9/27/37 Austin TX
defeats Dr Karl Sarpolis (16:53) [2]

10/4/37 Austin TX
defeats Rudy Strongberg (16:00)[2]

10/8/37
MWA World Heavyweight Title
Everett Marshall - Draw (120:00)

10/11/37 Austin TX
vs. Paul Jones - Double Count Out [1]

10/13/37
defeats Frank Sexton (14:50)

10/18/37 Austin TX
defeats Paul Harper [2]

10/28/37
defeats George Koverly (8:28)

11/23/37
defeats Frank Sexton (90:00) [1] (won only fall)

11/24/37
defeats Karl Davis (19:46) [2]

12/10/37
defeats Alonzo Wood (14:00)

12/15/37
defeats Pat McClary (15:04)

12/21/37 Evansville IN
vs. Orville Brown - Double Count Out
*** your records have this as a 90 minute draw, don't know which one is correct***

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paulsosn wrote: 12/21/37 Evansville IN vs. Orville Brown - Double Count Out *** your records have this as a 90 minute draw, don't know which one is correct*** 

From the 22 Dec 1937 Evansville Press: "After 64 minutes of rough going, with Thesz the aggressor, the two huskies tumbled out of the ring.  Brown started back and Thesz grabed[sic] his leg.. The they started some fists tossing to the delight of the front row customers.  Referee Dick Patton counted both men out.  And after a 10 minute rest they returned to finish the 90 minute time limit without a fall."

So, the answer is 'yes'.  The 23 Dec Evansville Courier reported pretty much the same thing, that Patton counted both out because they were preventing each other from re-entering the ring.  As it would have been the first fall, they just continued with the second fall.  Not sure how that would have worked, as neither would have received credit for the first fall.

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DaClyde wrote: paulsosn wrote: 12/21/37 Evansville IN vs. Orville Brown - Double Count Out *** your records have this as a 90 minute draw, don't know which one is correct*** 

From the 22 Dec 1937 Evansville Press: "After 64 minutes of rough going, with Thesz the aggressor, the two huskies tumbled out of the ring.  Brown started back and Thesz grabed[sic] his leg.. The they started some fists tossing to the delight of the front row customers.  Referee Dick Patton counted both men out.  And after a 10 minute rest they returned to finish the 90 minute time limit without a fall."

So, the answer is 'yes'.  The 23 Dec Evansville Courier reported pretty much the same thing, that Patton counted both out because they were preventing each other from re-entering the ring.  As it would have been the first fall, they just continued with the second fall.  Not sure how that would have worked, as neither would have received credit for the first fall.


Most territories just completely avoided the scenario of having any fall either than the third ending in some kind of tie. Some promoters, however (Paul Boesch in Houston did this quite a few times) sometimes booked a ddq or dco in the first fall, splitting the next two falls, and therefore the match ended in a draw. Other promoters would give a fall to each competitor for a dco or ddq (Amarillo did this), meaning that the next fall would be the decider.

This is an early example of Thesz and his various inventive ways of finishing a match without a winner. In the 1950s and 60s he was fond of doing a finish where he and his opponent would clash heads with Thesz in the ring and his opponent on the apron. The opponent would fall to the ground and be counted out, while Thesz would counted down for ten in the ring for a knockout-countout tie. It was very rare for anyone else to use that finish, but Thesz used it quite often. People talk about him as the legendary "hooker," but he was a master of using the framework of professional wrestling to tell great stories in the ring. A great worker in every sense of the word.



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I love how any structure or rules that are established for wrestling matches just become starting points for creative finishes. 2/3 falls to ensure a winner, you say? Sure we can have a 3-fall draw! No time-limit, there MUST be a winner? Ooh, the city has a curfew.

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