WowBB Forums Home 
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register
WowBB Forums > Sports And Wrestling > General Discussion > Sambora Walks Out on Bon Jovi - Looks Like the End

 Moderated by: Ron, brodiescomics, beejmi Page:    1  2  Next Page Last Page  
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
Sambora Walks Out on Bon Jovi - Looks Like the End  Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 04:23 pm
  PM Quote Reply
1st Post
srossi

 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: New York USA
Posts: 50554
Status: 
Offline
Earlier this week it was announced that Richie Sambora was taking another leave of absence from Bon Jovi for "personal reasons".  This is always code for rehab, and Samboar actually just came out of rehab last year, so it wasn't very surprising.  But now it turns out that Sambora is still clean and left the band after a fight that almost turned physical between him and Jon.  It's been described as a classic "Jagger/Richards blow-up" and those close to Sambora say that it's probably over for good this time.  Richie's very comfortable and has been putting up with Jon for many years, and Jon has treated all his band members like contracted temps for at least 20 years now.  The guy seems like a brilliant businessman but impossible to deal with.  The more successful he's become in other enterprises, the more he manages Bon Jovi like a business, and that's only commendable to a certain point.  It's great that he's not blowing his money on drugs and hookers anymore and has amassed more wealth than probably anyone else out of the '80s scene, but at some point it's still rock 'n' roll and you need to have some heart.  Jon's been simply putting in his 9-to-5 and spitting insipid lyrics out of a machine utilizing market research and all this other crap that the band is unlistenable at this point, even live, which used to be their strong suit even after their studio albums started sucking.



____________________
This thread was great before AA ruined it.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 05:14 pm
  PM Quote Reply
2nd Post
Married Jo



Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2007
Location: Hickory NC
Posts: 6842
Status: 
Offline
Honestly, at this point Richie sings the songs better than Jon, he should just put together his own band and tour doing all the BJ songs and his solo stuff.



____________________
Well, Im of the opinion that one wouldnt actually have to eat the corn out of Chynas shit to know that nothing good could come of it. - Portalesman
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 05:19 pm
  PM Quote Reply
3rd Post
tamalie
Hall Of Famer
 

Joined: Mon Oct 22nd, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 4537
Status: 
Offline
Jon Bon Jovi has stated that all dates on the current tour will go ahead as planned. Some will cry blasphemy, but, regardless of who's right or wrong in this relationship breakdown, from Jon's perspective if he calls off the tour and puts the band in limbo, then he concedes all power in the dispute to Sambora. At that point, Jon admits it's not Bon Jovi without Richie. If Jon goes on without Sambora, it puts the pressure on Sambora to either come back or accept that the train will roll on without him.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 05:29 pm
  PM Quote Reply
4th Post
cheapseats



Joined: Thu Jul 8th, 2010
Location: Houston, Texas USA
Posts: 1123
Status: 
Offline
Without Sambora, Bon Jovi loses a lot of what makes the band successful. Jon can think that it's all him all he wants to but he's only fooling himself.



____________________
Never said that I could 100 % substantiate it. And convincing you 100 % is not a concern of mine.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 05:34 pm
  PM Quote Reply
5th Post
Married Jo



Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2007
Location: Hickory NC
Posts: 6842
Status: 
Offline
cheapseats wrote:
Without Sambora, Bon Jovi loses a lot of what makes the band successful. Jon can think that it's all him all he wants to but he's only fooling himself.

I saw them live like 10 years ago and Richie was one of the highlights for me, first off, he's a great guitarist when he's on, but he sang "I'll be there for you" and NAILED it, sounded better than the album version. That really opened my eyes up to just how talented he really is. Saw him sing on a few of the morning shows last year promoting his solo album and he's a great singer..

Honestly, the only person I could care less about in Bon Jovi is Jon himself..



____________________
Well, Im of the opinion that one wouldnt actually have to eat the corn out of Chynas shit to know that nothing good could come of it. - Portalesman
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 06:30 pm
  PM Quote Reply
6th Post
srossi

 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: New York USA
Posts: 50554
Status: 
Offline
tamalie wrote: Jon Bon Jovi has stated that all dates on the current tour will go ahead as planned. Some will cry blasphemy, but, regardless of who's right or wrong in this relationship breakdown, from Jon's perspective if he calls off the tour and puts the band in limbo, then he concedes all power in the dispute to Sambora. At that point, Jon admits it's not Bon Jovi without Richie. If Jon goes on without Sambora, it puts the pressure on Sambora to either come back or accept that the train will roll on without him.
Jon has said many times that he's the band, period.  I saw an interview he did with Larry King right before KIng retired, whenever that was, and he reiterated over and over again that he makes the decisions, what he says goes, and he appreciates the talent of his bandmates but he is Bon Jovi.  There was never a question that the band would continue without Richie.  It did when he went to rehab, it will now. 

It doesn't seem like a well-kept secret that Jon pretty much wants all the original members to quit so that he can hire unknowns and throw a few dollars at them as his personal contract workers instead of having to deal with band egos.  It's already happened.  Alec John Such quit as bassist and was "replaced" by Hugh McDonald 20 years ago, but McDonald is officially a "touring musician", not a member of the band.  He might make 10 cents on the dollar to what the other guys make, and he does every live show and appears on their studio albums.  It's the music equivalent of wrestlers being "independent contractors".  Clearly he's in the band, just like clearly a WWE wrestler is an employee of the company, but they get none of the benefits.  And now Jon gets to do that with the guitarist too, and the only other guy who cut into his pie in any real way is gone.  Now if he can just get rid of Tico Torres and David Bryan, he'll have 100% of it.  And none of the 55-year old women who are his new demo, either because they remember when he was a rock star in the '80s or because they like his new country pop sound in the 2000s, will give a damn, they'll come out just to see him.  He's about to make more money without Richie than with him, even though the sound of the band is going to go to hell.     

Last edited on Fri Apr 5th, 2013 06:32 pm by srossi



____________________
This thread was great before AA ruined it.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 07:37 pm
  PM Quote Reply
7th Post
tamalie
Hall Of Famer
 

Joined: Mon Oct 22nd, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 4537
Status: 
Offline
The practice of not replacing long term departed members while keeping regular touring/session guys on the payroll without cutting them into the band's business entity as partners is fairly common for major bands with a lot of money at stake.

- Ron Wood joined the Stones in 1975. However, despite public appearances, he didn't earn full membership status until Bill Wyman left in 1991. That enabled Wood to effectively take Wyman's share without Jagger, Richards and Watts having to give up any of their percentage. Darryl Jones came in bass for the Stones not long afterwards and is still a hired gun, not a member.

- When Kenney Jones joined The Who, he was granted full membership status at the insistance of Pete Townshend. This infuriated Roger Daltrey who wanted the percentage that once belonged to Keith Moon spread among the remaining members instead of parceled out to Kenney. When Jones was excluded from later reunions (he may techinically still have a piece of the band), The Who didn't cut in Zak Starkey, his replacement and the group's long running drummer to date.

- Starkey also didn't get full membership status when he drummed for Oasis in the early to mid 2000s as a replacement for Alan White. Despite Gem Archer and Andy Bell getting public membership staus as replacements for Bonehead and Guigsy, the only members in the business end by then were the Gallagher brothers. 

- Scott Thurston and Steve Ferrone are Heartbreakers, but I think only Tom Petty, Mike Campbell, and Benmont Tench are in the partnership. Ron Blair left in 1982 and came back around 2000 when Howie Epstein melted down. I'm not sure how his membership status works.

- A few more come to mind. Train is down to three "real" members with sidemen filling in otherwise. At this point Ian Astbury and Billy Duffy are the only members of The Cult with full status. Art Alexakis is effectively Everclear and Billy Corgan is effectively Smashing Pumpkins, neither working with any other original members and employing sidemen.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 07:44 pm
  PM Quote Reply
8th Post
Ultimark



Joined: Sun Oct 28th, 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 6912
Status: 
Offline
I had no idea of the economics behind all of this stuff. Wow. Hopefully, the Beatles screwed Ringo Starr.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Fri Apr 5th, 2013 08:51 pm
  PM Quote Reply
9th Post
Married Jo



Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2007
Location: Hickory NC
Posts: 6842
Status: 
Offline
tamalie wrote:

- When Kenney Jones joined The Who, he was granted full membership status at the insistance of Pete Townshend. This infuriated Roger Daltrey who wanted the percentage that once belonged to Keith Moon spread among the remaining members instead of parceled out to Kenney. When Jones was excluded from later reunions (he may techinically still have a piece of the band), The Who didn't cut in Zak Starkey, his replacement and the group's long running drummer to date.


Pretty sure Zak has been made a full member now. I remember reading an interview with Pete a few years back and he mentioned it.



____________________
Well, Im of the opinion that one wouldnt actually have to eat the corn out of Chynas shit to know that nothing good could come of it. - Portalesman
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Apr 6th, 2013 01:19 am
  PM Quote Reply
10th Post
HBF



Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA
Posts: 17866
Status: 
Offline
The Who were absolutely done back in 1989 due to Townshends loss of hearing and having a guitar player "behind the curtain" playing lead. That's the reason I've never seen them live. That they tour today is sad.

Bon Jovi is living off "Wanted Dead or Alive" and that stuff from 1985. I'm from NJ and even know a guy who quit my school to work Bon Jovi's tour (he's buddies with the brother or cousin or some shit) but they are one of the top 5 most overrated acts in history. Their best album was the one with "In and Out of Love" and that's from either '83 or '84.

Last edited on Sat Apr 6th, 2013 01:20 am by HBF



____________________
"That's what a pre-med degree will get you kids, nearly correct spelling and pissing in a bowl on Skype"-SRossi on Sunny
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Apr 6th, 2013 01:22 am
  PM Quote Reply
11th Post
HBF



Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA
Posts: 17866
Status: 
Offline
Ultimark wrote:
I had no idea of the economics behind all of this stuff. Wow. Hopefully, the Beatles screwed Ringo Starr.

:D
I forgot who it was (somebody famous) but they said Ringo was one of the best drummers of all time. I though he had the best gig of all time (next to Hendrix and SRV's drummers) because you just had to be steady. In complete fairness, both of those drummers (Mitch Mitchell and Chris Layton)are stellar.

Last edited on Sat Apr 6th, 2013 01:23 am by HBF



____________________
"That's what a pre-med degree will get you kids, nearly correct spelling and pissing in a bowl on Skype"-SRossi on Sunny
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Apr 6th, 2013 02:49 am
  PM Quote Reply
12th Post
sportatorium roach



Joined: Tue Oct 16th, 2007
Location: Southern IL
Posts: 1048
Status: 
Offline
HBF wrote:
Bon Jovi is living off "Wanted Dead or Alive" and that stuff from 1985. I'm from NJ and even know a guy who quit my school to work Bon Jovi's tour (he's buddies with the brother or cousin or some shit) but they are one of the top 5 most overrated acts in history. Their best album was the one with "In and Out of Love" and that's from either '83 or '84.

I like the first five Bon Jovi albums. That's great that you think 7800 is their best album, that one or New Jersey is my favorite. But 7800 gets ignored by everyone, including the band.
The same thing would go for the debut, if it didn't have Runaway.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Apr 6th, 2013 02:53 am
  PM Quote Reply
13th Post
Papa Voo



Joined: Thu Jan 17th, 2008
Location: Right Outside The Burgh, USA
Posts: 9688
Status: 
Offline
Big Ringo Starr fan.  I still purchase alot of his new stuff.  I liked his solo stuff back in the early 70's better than John's stuff and Paul's stuff.



____________________
“Anybody notice that Papa Voo can make all these posts, despite the fact he hasn't been logged in all night? #S&W (Scumbag Liars & Worthless Trash)“

-(Comedian/Troll Wanna Be) Heenan Fan-
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Apr 6th, 2013 02:54 am
  PM Quote Reply
14th Post
HBF



Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA
Posts: 17866
Status: 
Offline
sportatorium roach wrote:
HBF wrote:
Bon Jovi is living off "Wanted Dead or Alive" and that stuff from 1985. I'm from NJ and even know a guy who quit my school to work Bon Jovi's tour (he's buddies with the brother or cousin or some shit) but they are one of the top 5 most overrated acts in history. Their best album was the one with "In and Out of Love" and that's from either '83 or '84.

I like the first five Bon Jovi albums. That's great that you think 7800 is their best album, that one or New Jersey is my favorite. But 7800 gets ignored by everyone, including the band.
The same thing would go for the debut, if it didn't have Runaway.


The first album is great as well. Except for "Wanted Dead or Alive", the 3rd album moved them in the 80's rock ballad bullshit that claimed formerly great bands like Def Leppard. And, to me at least, was all she wrote for Bon Jovi.



____________________
"That's what a pre-med degree will get you kids, nearly correct spelling and pissing in a bowl on Skype"-SRossi on Sunny
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Apr 6th, 2013 03:06 am
  PM Quote Reply
15th Post
sportatorium roach



Joined: Tue Oct 16th, 2007
Location: Southern IL
Posts: 1048
Status: 
Offline
Papa Voo wrote:
Big Ringo Starr fan.  I still purchase alot of his new stuff.  I liked his solo stuff back in the early 70's better than John's stuff and Paul's stuff.


Ringo had a great style, you hear it better on the '09 Beatle remasters. The first several albums on the '87 CDs are too muffled when it comes to the drums.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

Current time is 05:01 am Page:    1  2  Next Page Last Page    
WowBB Forums > Sports And Wrestling > General Discussion > Sambora Walks Out on Bon Jovi - Looks Like the End Top




UltraBB 1.172 Copyright © 2007-2013 Data 1 Systems