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Rays and Red Sox the other night. Ump blows a play at home, that decides the game. Ump after says I am sorry, I was wrong. WTF.

What is the argument anymore? Some dork in his basement saying, "Keep it pure, man. Let the umps fuck games up"?


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I dunno. I'm kind of one of those basement dorks who thinks the human element should stay intact.

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But when the human element gets things wrong, you come off like an old man yelling at kids to get off your lawn when you ignore modern technology that can help get calls right.

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Look at a sport like tennis, which is way quicker-paced and still manages a perfectly decent system for technology-aided calls. Let's say one of those teams from the other night misses or makes a playoff spot by one game. That call would then cost them millions of dollars. It's too much.

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Do you want MLB to  adopt the NFL's video review system? Indisputable video evidence.

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clawmaster wrote: Do you want MLB to  adopt the NFL's video review system? Indisputable video evidence.

I don't watch NFL (or hand-egg, as I call it), but I don't see any reason why not. If Fox Sports Midwest can provide me with slow-motion replay in seconds, I don't see why the umps can't use the same system.

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Famous Mortimer wrote:
clawmaster wrote: Do you want MLB to  adopt the NFL's video review system? Indisputable video evidence.

I don't watch NFL (or hand-egg, as I call it), but I don't see any reason why not. If Fox Sports Midwest can provide me with slow-motion replay in seconds, I don't see why the umps can't use the same system.

I think one of the arguments against replay in baseball is it slows down the game which is already too long.

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Benlen wrote:
I think one of the arguments against replay in baseball is it slows down the game which is already too long.

I don't understand why people believe expanded replay would slow the game down. If anything I would expect the opposite to happen. It would cut down on the amount of times the managers argue with the umpire and generally it only takes one look of replay to get a call correct. The replay guy could be upstairs and you then adding new members to the umpires union. Everyone wins.

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Benlen wrote: Famous Mortimer wrote:
clawmaster wrote: Do you want MLB to  adopt the NFL's video review system? Indisputable video evidence.

I don't watch NFL (or hand-egg, as I call it), but I don't see any reason why not. If Fox Sports Midwest can provide me with slow-motion replay in seconds, I don't see why the umps can't use the same system.

I think one of the arguments against replay in baseball is it slows down the game which is already too long.

Tell them to hurry up then.  Stop faffing around. 

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How can you think replay would speed baseball up? I watched umpires look at the video review of a home run ball, come back out and get the call wrong. You get that in football where refs make a call from review that looks wrong to us. So even if they use it, they can still get calls wrong.

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Easy. Tough call, the opposition requests review. You get rid of the "jawing with the umpires".

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I'm pro-replay, IF it's incorporated right:

- None of this "challenge" bullshit. You just know teams are going to abuse this to get time to get a pitcher warmed up, so take it out of their hands.

- In fact, for both aesthetic and practical purposes the system should be as far away from the NFL as possible. The sports are different, and MLB shouldn't come across as trying to copy.

- Put a fifth umpire in the broadcast booth, or send things to a "war room" like the NHL does (yes, I'm advocating avoiding copying the NFL and copying the NHL instead--if you have cognitive dissonance over that, tough shit). He gets to buzz for reviews, he gets to make the call.

- A central viewing location would cut down on replay time tremendously, saving us this ridiculous "umpires all leave the field and come back" song and dance routine. And, as mentioned, it would cut down on most manager arguments. Also, I could be naive but I think people expecting NFL- or college football-length delays are overstating things. A football play has anywhere from 10 to 20 different things going on that can be missed. In baseball you're going to have pretty much one location where anything is happening (I don't think missed bases or stuff like that come up often enough for them to be worth covering in a review system).

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The NFL and NHL use replay and still get calls wrong. The NFL and NHL use replay and there are still prolonged arguments/discussions between the coaches and the officials.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of these pitchers who can't place the ball where they want it and waste time looking in for signals, picking up the rosin bag and consulting with the catcher and/or pitching coach. Use pitching machines.

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tystates wrote:
How can you think replay would speed baseball up? I watched umpires look at the video review of a home run ball, come back out and get the call wrong. You get that in football where refs make a call from review that looks wrong to us. So even if they use it, they can still get calls wrong.
Have an extra umpire with access to instant replay. There may still be some wrong calls, but I'm sure there'd be less than if we keep the same system. And it wouldn't slow things down at all.

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TerryWWWF wrote:
The NFL and NHL use replay and still get calls wrong.


Perfect is the enemy of the good.

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Taking of speeding things up, I would love it if they told the pitchers to hurry the fuck up. I'm watching St. Louis - Cincinnati and the Reds pitcher in the 7th seemed to take forever on a few pitches. A time limit on pitches would help speed the games up and make them a lot less boring.



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