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I mentioned Buddy Landell in the Ron Bass thread. 

There is alot of debate out there on whether this guy had the potential to be a good to great performer in the ring if he had not been addicted to getting polluted. 

Some say that looking back on it that he has been overrated, and he really had nothing more to offer for him to be raised to higher level. 

Others believe he was the total package for that era and could have been in main events. 

I am not sure, because I only saw him for a few months. 

What is your opinion on this guy?


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I liked him and he should've done more, but he was never going to be the top guy. He was doing Ric Flair while Flair was still in his prime. There was nowhere else to go from there. Flair didn't take over the "Nature Boy" gimmick until Rogers was semi-retired. But Landel tried to do it while Flair still had another 10-15 years of being a million times better than Landel. That was never going to work.

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srossi wrote: I liked him and he should've done more, but he was never going to be the top guy. He was doing Ric Flair while Flair was still in his prime. There was nowhere else to go from there. Flair didn't take over the "Nature Boy" gimmick until Rogers was semi-retired. But Landel tried to do it while Flair still had another 10-15 years of being a million times better than Landel. That was never going to work.

Agree 100%. He was a blander wrestler personality-wise regardless.

 

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To be honest, I never thought of him.

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I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

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Could have consistently been the anchor heel in a small territory like Smoky Mountain or Continental, but was going to look and be out of place in a national promotion.

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A low-rent Flair, but a good chickenshit heel for a southern territory (Mid-South, Memphis). His stint with Crockett showed he wasn't "superstar" material.

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I liked him.

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pjstef wrote: srossi wrote: I liked him and he should've done more, but he was never going to be the top guy. He was doing Ric Flair while Flair was still in his prime. There was nowhere else to go from there. Flair didn't take over the "Nature Boy" gimmick until Rogers was semi-retired. But Landel tried to do it while Flair still had another 10-15 years of being a million times better than Landel. That was never going to work.

Agree 100%. He was a blander wrestler personality-wise regardless.

 

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Thought he was jobber material back then. I appreciate his work now more, still don't think he was main event caliber, solid middle of the card guy. His mic work is better than his ring work.

Also thought he was much older than he really was. He appeared to be in his mid 30's when in fact he was about 10 yrs younger.

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managed him a bunch on the indies, my wife hates him because of how he acts. I enjoyed his work in Crockett land in the 80's.

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managed him a bunch on the indies, my wife hates him because of how he acts. I enjoyed his work in Crockett land in the 80's.

What does do?

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Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.

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I liked him best when he was Butch Reed's lackey.  Entertaining on the mic,  a bit better than average in the ring. 

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As a wrestler in the Mid Atlantic, which is the only area I really saw him at he was pretty good, but not nearly as great as he thought he was, the fact that he was managed by JJ Dillon and facing off vs Ric Flair (who was mega popular those days) didn't hurt his status, but once the Flair feud ended it was clear he as a solid midcard guy, nothing better.

He's also or at least used to be a complete asshole, I was at a Charlotte fanfest many years ago where he got drunk and started to insult all kinds of people especially the female fans and was escorted from the event, and later that night he made some crude remarks to some other female fan at the bar and got his ass whipped by her man.

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I liked him best when he was Butch Reed's lackey.  Entertaining on the mic,  a bit better than average in the ring. 

This and when He tried to keep the Rolex that Akbar gave Him to give to Reed.

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Didn't remember this until a few minutes ago, but didn't he have a cup of coffee in the WWF in the '90s? And then he "slipped on ice" or something (maybe while high) and hot hurt and then released in the first month?

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srossi wrote: Didn't remember this until a few minutes ago, but didn't he have a cup of coffee in the WWF in the '90s? And then he "slipped on ice" or something (maybe while high) and hot hurt and then released in the first month?
Only time I saw him in WWF was on a In Your House PPV. December of 95. Took the place of Dean Douglas vs Amad Johnson.

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Bill and Buddy show was his fnest hour. As someone said earlier,good on top for a territory like Memphis or Continental.But put him in  FL or MACW and he was lost and clearly not capable of hanging with the big boys

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martini wrote:
Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.


Sorry but Austin ain't Southern. He's Texan. There's a big difference.

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I know Greg Price isn't a fan of Buddy, not exactly sure why. I remember him being a cheap, Flair ripoff.

I remember Flair saying during an interview once on MACW tv to Buddy:

"Cameraman get a shot of this, Buddy, I would lend you one of my robes, if you wouldn't get lost n the arms". Classic line. I think Buddy was managed by JJ DILLION at the time(PRE Horsemen).

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srossi wrote: Didn't remember this until a few minutes ago, but didn't he have a cup of coffee in the WWF in the '90s? And then he "slipped on ice" or something (maybe while high) and hot hurt and then released in the first month?
Yeah, he was squashed at an IYH, then got a squash win on Raw (I think against Bob Holly, with heel Lawler supporting him on commentary), and was then gone. 

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Buddy slipped on some ice and suffered an injury (broken leg?) just as his WWF stint began. Cornette had the book and brought him in. Buddy's window had closed by the time he recovered.

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Quattro wrote:
martini wrote:
Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.


Sorry but Austin ain't Southern. He's Texan. There's a big difference.


Was going to say the same thing. Even Lawler is more Ohio Valley than Landell 's East Tennessee hillbilly.

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I agree with the general sentiment. Loved his Mid South run as Reed's lackey. Have watched tapes of a lot of his Memphis stuff, which is very good. He was on top of his game during the Bill and Buddy stuff.

But he clearly was a hillbilly parody version of Flair. Even his robes wer mmuch cheaper and JJ was dressing cheaply, too. It would crack me up every time he claimed to be from Beverly Hills. I felt like that was part of his shtick, that he's completely full of shit, but it's total midcard fare in a good sized promotion. He could main event smaller southern promotions and indies, but he's mid-card to underneath depending on the size of the promotion.

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BayouBoogie wrote:
Quattro wrote:
martini wrote:
Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.


Sorry but Austin ain't Southern. He's Texan. There's a big difference.


Was going to say the same thing. Even Lawler is more Ohio Valley than Landell 's East Tennessee hillbilly.

If you hear Steve Austin or Jerry Lawler speak and don't think southern, you need your ears fixed.
Either that or you live in a part of the country where conversing with those accents is commonplace.

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martini wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote:
Quattro wrote:
martini wrote:
Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.


Sorry but Austin ain't Southern. He's Texan. There's a big difference.


Was going to say the same thing. Even Lawler is more Ohio Valley than Landell 's East Tennessee hillbilly.

If you hear Steve Austin or Jerry Lawler speak and don't think southern, you need your ears fixed.


Lawler's accent isn't that heavy. Remember that he lived in Ohio for several years as a kid. Re: Austin, like Quatrro said, there is a subtle difference between "southern" and "Texan", but to a Yankee I suppose it all sounds the same.

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martini wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote:
Quattro wrote:
martini wrote:
Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.


Sorry but Austin ain't Southern. He's Texan. There's a big difference.


Was going to say the same thing. Even Lawler is more Ohio Valley than Landell 's East Tennessee hillbilly.

If you hear Steve Austin or Jerry Lawler speak and don't think southern, you need your ears fixed.
Either that or you live in a part of the country where conversing with those accents is commonplace.


Lawler I'll give you, although he's from Ohio and is far from being as big a hick as Landell. Austin is Texan, big difference. You just aren't familiar, so it's all Southern to you.

But the (subtle, to you) difference between the level of Southern Hicktatude in Landell' s accent, coupled with the Nature of his gimmick, is what people mean by "too Southern". His accent is Hillbilly if you want to break into down into regional dialects. Listen to the real Leroy Mercer tapes. Those people are from the same part of the country as Landell.

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I think there was a rumor he was going to be the NWO's Nature Boy in '98 or so.

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Super Snott wrote: I think there was a rumor he was going to be the NWO's Nature Boy in '98 or so.
That was scuttled quickly as WCW panicked after hearing a quote from Scott Hall about Buddy Landell saying, "Fuck, that guy needs to get his life together".

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BayouBoogie wrote: martini wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote:
Quattro wrote:
martini wrote:
Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.


Sorry but Austin ain't Southern. He's Texan. There's a big difference.


Was going to say the same thing. Even Lawler is more Ohio Valley than Landell 's East Tennessee hillbilly.

If you hear Steve Austin or Jerry Lawler speak and don't think southern, you need your ears fixed.
Either that or you live in a part of the country where conversing with those accents is commonplace.


Lawler I'll give you, although he's from Ohio and is far from being as big a hick as Landell. Austin is Texan, big difference. You just aren't familiar, so it's all Southern to you.

I'm no Southern boy, but even I can tell that Lawler doesn't sound like a hick at all.  If you want to hear someone born and raised in Tennessee, listen to Tommy Rich.  Lawler's slight accent, if one exists, is fairly benign and indeterminate.  Even JR sounded a million times more southern. 

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Didn't when he showed-up in the WWE locker room, they fucked with him too?

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I think the Nature Boy gimmick, like as said, during Flair's prime was one thing that limited him completely.

If he had done something else, perhaps more along the lines of Hollywood John Tatum or something, as the chickenshit heel that could still work, it would've benefited him a lot more.


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tofu_chipmunk wrote:
Super Snott wrote: I think there was a rumor he was going to be the NWO's Nature Boy in '98 or so.
That was scuttled quickly as WCW panicked after hearing a quote from Scott Hall about Buddy Landell saying, "Fuck, that guy needs to get his life together".


I can't tell if you are stating this as legit or not but it's funny as hell the more I read it.

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srossi wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote: martini wrote:
BayouBoogie wrote:
Quattro wrote:
martini wrote:
Quattro wrote: I thought Landell was mediocre. Never seemed to have what it took to be a top guy.

Could be decent in the right spot but was too "southern" to have national appeal, IMO (and I am a Southern boy).

NEVER seemed to get that the Nature Boy gimmick Flair and Rogers was supposed to be a superior talent, silver spoon in his mouth, aristocratic type that had real athletic talent and should be able to beat anyone. Landell came across as a "poor" boy trying to act like the aristocratic heel, but having neither the talent, nor the aristocratic background to pull it off. Basically he seemed like a parody.

"The too southern" argument never cuts it with me.

Steve Austin is as southern as it comes. Jerry Lawler, too..

If he'd had the talent to be a top guy, he would've gotten there regardless of where he was from even with his addictions.

Landel was a good worker, could've fit in the midcard of any national promotion. I don't see him as the main event, though.


Sorry but Austin ain't Southern. He's Texan. There's a big difference.


Was going to say the same thing. Even Lawler is more Ohio Valley than Landell 's East Tennessee hillbilly.

If you hear Steve Austin or Jerry Lawler speak and don't think southern, you need your ears fixed.
Either that or you live in a part of the country where conversing with those accents is commonplace.


Lawler I'll give you, although he's from Ohio and is far from being as big a hick as Landell. Austin is Texan, big difference. You just aren't familiar, so it's all Southern to you.

I'm no Southern boy, but even I can tell that Lawler doesn't sound like a hick at all.  If you want to hear someone born and raised in Tennessee, listen to Tommy Rich.  Lawler's slight accent, if one exists, is fairly benign and indeterminate.  Even JR sounded a million times more southern. 


Yes, Tommy Rich is a Southern Hick. No doubt. Johnny Rich, too.

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