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 Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2018 09:01 pm
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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wwe-network-grand-slams/

WWF "Grand Slams" is a solid starting point for anyone who wants to see some of the best and most famous moments from the early to mid-80's in the WWF. Clips include: Tito and Greg Valentine ending their long feud, Piper taunting Mr. T, Wendi Richter being screwed out of the Women's title, MIDGETS, World title changes, tag title turmoil, Macho Man stealing the IC title from Santana, Gorilla Monsoon boxes Andre the Giant, Ali confronts Monsoon, the Birth of Hulkamania, 3 battle royals, an irate Andre battering Killer Khan, Snuka's cage dive and more!!

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 Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2018 09:40 pm
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Blazer wrote: I was watching the June 1985 MSG show last night.  It’s a really interesting watch for a lot of reasons (mainly for all the debuts - Jim Brunzell, Randy Savage without Liz or the typical Macho robe and glasses, Missing Link, Lanny Poffo, Patera was replaced by Adonis), but the broadcast kinda completely breaks down about halfway through the show.  It’s one of those rare times when you see glimpses or snapshots of behind the scenes stuff.  First of all, in clear view during the Judy Martin vs Desiree Peterson match, Okerlund is lighting up cigarettes at the broadcast table next to Monsoon.  He was trying to be discreet about it, so he had the lit cigarette sitting on the ring steps.  So at one point Martin throws Desiree into Monsoon’s lap, which had to be an inside joke.  Actually it was hilarious.  Martin is stomping on Peterson while Gorilla holds her, and then Gorilla stands up and dumps Peterson back into the ring.  But in doing so he knocks over the pack of Kools on top of the monitor and Gene’s lit cigarette on the steps.  So Howard Finkel picks up the cigarette and puts it back on the step.  But Gene doesn’t want that one anymore so he lights another. Then there’s some kind of inside joke about Peterson “being on her back quite a bit”.  The camera is zoomed back and you can see Gene look over to the producer on the left side of Gorilla, and they both just start cracking up.  Okerlund is having a blast like he doesn’t really give a fuck, and Monsoon is trying to keep it together as much as he can, but he lost it a few times later in the show.  You can kind of tell both guys are overworked and just slap happy/don’t give a fuck anymore.  They both mention during this match how much they have been traveling and criss-crossing the country.  Oh yeah, anytime the camera picks up a chick in the stands for a close-up, Gene goes into full perv mode “oooh, lord have mercy! Mama!”  It’s total comedy.  Check this one out for some laughs if you ever get a chance.  



 
I always thought Gene Okerlund was a terrible match commentator. He had nothing to say about the flow of the match and while conversational, he didn't know how to put stuff over. He'd rattle off facts with no context like "Big John Studd, the mammoth 350 pounder from Los Angeles", punch in excited yelps like "Whoaa!" or "Here we go!", get into name dropping, and on the WWF arena cards would constantly do the inside jokes and comments as you mentioned. 

Regarding Gene smoking in MSG, was he bending the rules because he was with the WWF or could you actually smoke in the arena proper at the Garden in 1985? In the Twin Cities by the time Gene left the AWA, smoking in the arena itself was banned. You could smoke in the concourses and presumably in other non public areas if you were with a sports team or event using the building. Later they booted smoking out of the stadium and arena concourses into a designated outdoor area. Security concerns about people coming and going along with smoke wafting in finally got that done away with a few years ago. Now you can't smoke on the premises of any stadium or arena and there's no ducking outside to come back in. If you leave, you're gone unless you go buy another ticket.

Adrian Adonis got the Ken Patera spot in the six man tag with Heenan and Studd because Ken had either been sentenced to and entered prison at that point or had been found guilty and was awaiting sentencing on the infamous boulder through the McDonald's window/brawl with the cops that he and Mr. Saito got into.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 3rd, 2018 05:18 am
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The dynamic between Gorilla and Gene is really interesting. I believe Gene was brought in to be the play by play guy, but he often seemed to forget that was his role. So, Gorilla would pick up the match call, and they would generally trade back and forth on the call, which makes the commentary somewhat disjointed at times. You're absolutely correct though, Gene would fall back to his little catch phrases, and it really came off sloppy and lazy. "OH, we've got a SHOOTOUT in the Garden this week, folks!"



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"Villians of the Squared Circle" sees an early dose of evil Jake the Snake, a bloody fight with Pedro Morales and Animal Steele, Andre squares off with an NFL star nearly as large as he is, Captain Lou takes a beating from Gorilla Monsoon, Don Muraco looks for a porker to screw, highlights from an angle that Mid-South mocked on their TV soon after, Roddy Piper's greatest hits, Macho Man's conniving victory over IC champ Tito Santana, an American hero falls short, Andre falls to Studd and Bundy's assault, and we close with a haircut that spawned months of violence!

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The WWF returns to MSG three weeks after Wrestlemania. Action includes Matt Bourne doing his best to ruin his WWF gig, and jobbers receiving title matches. The announcers blatantly lie about celebrities at the show. A giant of a man batters an AARP member. We find out if Ricky Steamboat can carry Moondog Spot to a good match. Hulk Hogan attends a circus that Vince McMahon isn't in charge of, then Hogan GRAPPLES - he honest to God puts out a tour de force of technical wizardry unseen in the era of Hulkamania. America's honor is defended by the U.S. Express and Tito Santana's war with Greg Valentine continues in the show's finale!

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 Posted: Sun Mar 4th, 2018 08:56 pm
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^ Did this show run on Classics on Demand?



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Blazer wrote: ^ Did this show run on Classics on Demand?Youtube has a copy that is off the original airing. That is what I watched.

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"Wrestling's Superheroes" is a mix of MSG gems like Roddy Piper facing Rick Rude in a really good cage match, as well as the Ultimate Warrior battling Randy Savage in a champion vs. champion bout where Savage pinballs for his beastly foe. Other than that we see PPV and SNME repeats with Hogan butting heads with Hercules, the Powers of Pain knocking around Demolition, and Jimmy Snuka tangling with the Hammer.

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The 6/1 and 6/8/92 episodes of WWF Prime Time. Not a lot of great matches but a lot of fun stuff.

Bret v Dino from the euro tour

Bulldog v IRS from the euro tour

Nailz debuting and attacking Bozeman

Papa Shango doing his thing

Flair forcing Dale Wolfe to submit to the figure 4

A lot of hype for the WBF PPV

I love these shows for the round table discussions and antics. During the open of the 6/8 show perfect did his pencil toss like always when introduced and then Bobby dropped his pencil so Vince introduced them again with Perfect hitting his a second time and then Bobby just handed his pencil from one hand to another and Perfect congratulated him like he did the toss. The look on their faces was awesome.



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"Supertape" sees former AWA and NWA champions squaring off in a WWF ring, "No Holds Barred" comes to life as Brutus Beefcake and Hulk Hogan battle the Macho King and Zeus in a steel cage, The Million Dollar Man tangles with Jake the Snake, Tito Santana grapples with "Ravishing" Rick Rude, Tugboat debuts, and the Bushwackers face off with 3 different teams who can't match the Wackers technical wizardry in the ring.

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"World Tour '90' sees a loaded compilation of solid wrestling and amusing action. Hulk Hogan batters Sherri Martel almost as much as the Macho Man in their encounter. Even the announcers struggle to justify Hogan's actions. Jim Duggan and the Honky Tonk Man have a "so bad it's good" encounter with lazy, sloppy action and a super hot crowd, Ted Dibiase battles the Ultimate Warrior with a "bizarro world" crowd as the Japanese audience embraces the Million Dollar Man, The Rockers and Rougeaus engage in a fun affair, Bret Hart suffers a legit injury - yet still gets a good match out of Dino Bravo, plus Jimmy Snuka is the featured superstar in the "profile" segment, giving us the gift of mat classics with Boris Zhukov and the Honky Tonk Man!! 

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Took me like a week and a half to get through this show, but finally finished the July 1985 MSG event (Classics in Demand version). Not a lot notable here, except that Okerlund is removed from the commentary (just speculating, but perhaps related to the debacle that went down on the June broadcast that I wrote about a few posts back). Lord Alfred is in, and he’s involved in the most notable part of this show coincidentally. The last match is the Hart Foundation vs the Bulldogs. At one point, Neidhart gets bumped off the apron onto the announce table, spilling Alfred’s beverage (looked like a 7-up fountain size drink) all over Alfred’s pants. Alfred gets up visibly pissed, kinda “argh!”s into the mic and throws his headset in the table. Monsoon calls the sequence for the next minute or two and then you can see Gorilla take his headset off and tell Alfred something (like, get your bass back onto the call), and then Alfred sounding upset tries to get back into the action. Just a weird sequence. Not sure if the Hart’s were ribbing Alfred and Gorilla by landing on the table.

Otherwise, the really outstanding match on this show was a Piper vs Orndorff brawl that was similar to their SNME match.

Also, Missing Link was so out of place with Bobby Heenan. In a way so was Adonis, who was carrying a briefcase that said “Relax with Trudy.”



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Wrestlefest 90:
"Rowdy" Roddy Piper clashes with the Macho King in a rare encounter between two of the biggest stars ever... Mr. Perfect plays pinball for the Hulkster....The Earthquake and Dino Bravo try to maul the Ultimate Warrior....a spotlight on the Hart Foundation sees them face off with the Powers of Pain, The Rockers and members of Jimmy Hart's entourage....Beefcake attempts to give the Model a new hairstyle...plus Jake the Snake partners with the Ultimate Warrior to face Akeem and the Million Dollar Man!

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6/13/92 WWF handheld from Oakland

Bret v Shawn in the main

Shango v Warrior on the undercard

This card was ok, nothing all that great but Warrior closelining the shit out of shango over the top rope was the highlight of the show to me.

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Sid Vicious walks us down memory lane...Stories include: How he debuted as a main event wrestler, his flirtation with the USFL and a pro football career, his opinions on why some well regarded workers were actually not very good, Kevin Owens being fat, how Virgil's big penis lead to Jerry Jarrett firing him, his misadventures with the drugged up Von Erichs, the Rock and Roll Express' drug usage, how a fan helped Sid find his finisher, SOFTBALL, the squeegee street fight, an absurd story about being in a WCW PPV main event and not knowing the finish, his many backstage issues with Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan: the pansy, how Sid almost saved the Shockmaster from infamy, the stabbing incident with Arn Anderson, why he never went back to the WWF after 1997 despite their offers and more!  

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