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Use this thread to keep us abreast of what you've been watching for fun recently.  Maybe a random youtube match or something classic....

Shout out some good shows/matches/angles/promos or warn us away from WRESTLECRAP! 

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I'm on a quest to watch every episode of the Monday Night Wars with a modern perspective. Please join me over the next few weeks...years as I travel down the road that was the high light of many of our fandoms.

http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-monday-night-wars-week-1/#.UrMQCLTlcTA

- The origin of Mongo in WCW
- PASTAMANIA
- Debuts aplenty
- Hulk Hogan's technical wrestling impresses
- RAW is Pete Sampras

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I just started the 1987 season Crockett/JCP. It's friggin excellent. The Horseman are on top, Barry Windham just came in to challenge Flair and Lex Luger was just introduced...gonna get even more interesting now. I totally missed this promotion the first time around so it's all new to me:D

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I enjoy these kind of threads.
I'm working on a Prime Time Wrestling season set from 1987.  Lots of Gorilla and Bobby of course.  Fun to watch the buildup to Mania 3.  I'm up to mid July now, so things are a bit slow with a little too much Young Stallions and Shadows, but it is still good stuff.
I picked up the Survior Series Anthology Vol 1 from Shopzone for 7.99 last week.  Watched the first half of Survivor Series 88 last night.   The tag match had some great spots that I had forgotten about (Tully tagging in and immediately tagging out when he saw the Barbarian).  Dynamite and Jacques Rougeau were in the ring together, which I thought was supposed to have been a concern based on all of the lockerroom drama.

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I watched Bill Miller vs Ilio DiPaulo yesterday.

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I haven't watched anything recently. I watched some 1981 GCW on the youtubes a few weeks back.

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Haven't watched any old wrestling in ages, other than some random YouTube videos of some old Thesz and O'Conner matches.  Mainly catching up on ROH DVDs, I'm up to Adam Cole winning the title.

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I started watching 1989 NWA Saturday Night show recently, and thus far has been excellent. We didn't have cable in 1989 so other than what I've seen from PPV's this is brand new to me. Eddie Gilbert just brought Ricky Steamboat in as his surprise partner and pinned Flair in his return to the NWA. Even the squash matches have been fun, and I'm gaining an appreciation for how good Gilbert was; up until now I never really saw why people thought he was so good.

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I have been watching the Crockett Cup tag tournaments that someone posted on YouTube. It was one of the events that I wished would have been available on PPV in my area.

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I'm about 15 minutes into Rikidozan vs. Freddie Blassie from the Olympic, 1962.   Bout runs just under 40 minutes.  Fred just went into vampire mode after dropping the first fall.  Its simplicity is refreshing and aside from the video timestamp at the top, it's a fun way to invest in watching wrestlers I never got to see.  Blassie taking bumps of any kind is a sight since he looked so brittle in his managing days.

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1982 MACW. Just got 2 Nov and 1 Dec episode.

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USWA in 1994. Am going all the way to the end.

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Been looking through parts of my Mad Dog Vachon set lately. Also watching a few WWF cards from the 80's here and there.

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I also have a little DVD player on my desk at work (hidden out of everyone else's sightlines of course) and I have been watching the 1981 season of Championship Wrestling Memphis during my more tedious tasks - Jimmy Hart was awesome at this time - he just throws himself into the ring time after time and takes enormous bumps - I've also come to the conclusion that Lance Russell  and Dave Brown are the best announcing team ever

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Win,Lose,Or Draw episode with Sgt.Slaughter and The Wild Samoan vs GLOW/POWW Wrestlers Amy The Farmers Daughter and Queen Kong...Check out Sgt.Slaughter rocking the awesome G.I. Joe jacket and drawing a giant penis...





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Started watching Nitro from the beginning. I've watched the first year so far.

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Kriss wrote: Started watching Nitro from the beginning. I've watched the first year so far.
I want you to post your thoughts on the episodes every single day, and we'll track your intelligence through your writings like in "Flowers For Algernon".  By the time you get to mid-1999, you're just going to be throwing your own feces at the monitor.

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There's a guy on the Pro Wrestling Only board who went through the last two years of WCW writing reviews. Poor guy's brain must have exploded by the time he was done.

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The first year of Nitro, especially the first six months, was pretty damn cool in hindsight.

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The major problem with the first six months of Nitro is Mongo on commentary with his stupid toy dog. It was a blessing to the ears when he joined the Horsemen.

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Started rewatching WWF championship wrestling 1984.  I am through July and am making my way through 1989 superstars.

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Been watching a best of JCP/NWA 88 thru 92 set. I'm up to Bash 90 era. To change up here and there I've also watched some WWF house shows from the 80's and early 90's. Mostly only watch the tag matches as I want to make a list of the best ones from the house shows.

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1982 Memphis. Watermelons and women, Kamala!

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nyhack56 wrote: Started rewatching WWF championship wrestling 1984.  I am through July and am making my way through 1989 superstars.
What's the quality on that set?  Is that the one that is made of NY, LA and Phily feeds to combine the best footage?  

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BigJ wrote:  Kamala!
is comedy gold!!

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Kriss wrote: The major problem with the first six months of Nitro is Mongo on commentary with his stupid toy dog. It was a blessing to the ears when he joined the Horsemen.
It might have been a blessing to the ears but it was a curse on the eyes of anybody that watched him try to wrestle.

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Monday Night Wars Week 2 w/ Shawn vs. Sid, Razor vs Bulldog, Lex vs Hogan and Savage vs. Scott Norton - Plus a rare WCW appearance by Sabu!

http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/monday-night-wars-week-2-09111995/#.UrmaH7TlcTA

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I'm about half way through the 1991 season of WCW Pro. It's an interesting set as it is split between the localized shows from Chicago and New York. The first 18 discs are from WGN Chicago and the last 7 discs are from WCBS New York. This was the year that The Dangerous Alliance formed so it's fun to watch that develop but it sucks to see the last good version of The Four Horsemen ( Flair, AA, Windham and Sid ) dissolve quietly without much fanfare. 

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CanadianHorseman wrote: I'm about half way through the 1991 season of WCW Pro. It's an interesting set as it is split between the localized shows from Chicago and New York. The first 18 discs are from WGN Chicago and the last 7 discs are from WCBS New York. This was the year that The Dangerous Alliance formed so it's fun to watch that develop but it sucks to see the last good version of The Four Horsemen ( Flair, AA, Windham and Sid ) dissolve quietly without much fanfare. 
Was Jack Brickhouse (old timey WGN Chicago Cubs, Sox, Bears announcer) still doing his "Brickhouse Memories" on the early '91 Pro shows? I know he did them in late '90 for a bit.

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Blazer wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: I'm about half way through the 1991 season of WCW Pro. It's an interesting set as it is split between the localized shows from Chicago and New York. The first 18 discs are from WGN Chicago and the last 7 discs are from WCBS New York. This was the year that The Dangerous Alliance formed so it's fun to watch that develop but it sucks to see the last good version of The Four Horsemen ( Flair, AA, Windham and Sid ) dissolve quietly without much fanfare. 
Was Jack Brickhouse (old timey WGN Chicago Cubs, Sox, Bears announcer) still doing his "Brickhouse Memories" on the early '91 Pro shows? I know he did them in late '90 for a bit.

He's definitely on some of the 91 episodes. I can tell you the exact dates if you want.

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I haven't watched much wrestling in the last few years, but my brother gave me the Mid South DVD set from WWE. I watched Dibiase vs. Orndorff and Andre, JYD, and Dusty vs. Samoans and Ladd. I then watched some of Magnum T.A. trying to break open a bag with a knee lift.
I honestly forgot how much I loved Mid South.

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Rewatched some Mitsuharu Misawa matches recently.

This weekend, I'm probably going to watch the Idol/Rich v Lawler feud.

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Fall Brawl 95

Hulkamaniacs vs. Dungeon of Doom, Flair vs Arn Anderson, Pillman vs. Johnny B Badd and a lot of crap!

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Hymie Itsu wrote: Rewatched some Mitsuharu Misawa matches recently.

This weekend, I'm probably going to watch the Idol/Rich v Lawler feud.

I have a very tough time watching Misawa considering the way he died.
Watching his matches, you basically see him slowly killing himself before our eyes.

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I watched a 46 minute 2 out 3 fall match from 1971 between Strong Kobayashi and Giant Russimoff. Not bad. One spot where Shozo bodyslammed Andre like he was a rag doll. I then went to a couple of Dick the Bruiser matches from the WWA circa 1965 with Emil Dupree and Dennis Hall. Bruiser sucked.

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I've been trying to watch the full card of Jan 84 when Hogan won the title. It's been about a week, and I am 4 matches in. There was a Chief Jay Strongbow vs Masked Supe match that I actually enjoyed. Also, I cannot for the life of me remember the Invaders at that time, but they were on the card vs Fuji and Saito in a boring draw, that ended with the silly 4 man seasaw or whatever its called. Fell asleep twice during the Putuski vs Slaughter match...which is where I will pick it up in the next couple days.

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the squared circle wrote: I've been trying to watch the full card of Jan 84 when Hogan won the title. It's been about a week, and I am 4 matches in. There was a Chief Jay Strongbow vs Masked Supe match that I actually enjoyed. Also, I cannot for the life of me remember the Invaders at that time, but they were on the card vs Fuji and Saito in a boring draw, that ended with the silly 4 man seasaw or whatever its called. Fell asleep twice during the Putuski vs Slaughter match...which is where I will pick it up in the next couple days.
Saito was in the WWF at the time?  I could swear he was wrestling in the AWA with Dr. D and Jesse Ventura as tag partners.  
Edit - it was Tiger Chung Lee.

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Yes I meant tiger Chung lee

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Monday Night Wars Week 3

Pillman vs Flair, Razor vs 123 Kid, MOM vs. Yoko/Owen

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Coliseum Home Videos- "Amazing Managers" from late 1985 and Ricky Steamboat from early '86. Steamboat tape has two really good, albeit clipped, matches with Steamboat vs. Valentine (MSG for IC title, summer '85) and vs. Beefcaake at MLG (two really cool false-finishes where they bring the house lights up and then take them back down). Love these old CHVs. I saw the Steamboat one years ago but forgot how good it was.

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I've been watching a two disc compilation of the ECW vs. USWA feud. Really good, violent stuff. I had forgotten how nuts that got.

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Did the ECW guys ever make an appearance in the Memphis studios? We got USWA here in Chicago through the summer of '97 and then lost it during the beginning of that feud.

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Watched the CHV Inside the Steel Cage today.  Lots of fun old school stuff.   Used to have this on tape....haven't watched it in probably a good 20 years or so.  LOVED the Pat Patterson vs. Bob Backlund cage match from MSG (think it was from late '79).  Crowd was totally over for Backlund.  Had kind of a Bret vs. Owen Summerslam '94 feel to it, and probably because Patterson had his imprint on that.  Lots of other good stuff (Tito vs. Valentine title change in Baltimore, Piper vs. Bruno from Boston in early '86).  Andre destroys Kamala from MLG too.

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Blazer wrote: Did the ECW guys ever make an appearance in the Memphis studios? We got USWA here in Chicago through the summer of '97 and then lost it during the beginning of that feud.
Tommy Dreamer and Beulah did. I want to say Sandman did also but not 100% Sure on that.

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Watched a comp Classic Camp made of some WWE stuff from 1983 with Scicluna over Johnny Rodz, Slaughter over Jay Strongbow, and a Snuka/Muraco MSG match.

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Super Snott wrote: Watched a comp Classic Camp made of some WWE stuff from 1983 with Scicluna over Johnny Rodz, Slaughter over Jay Strongbow, and a Snuka/Muraco MSG match.
That's pretty cool.  I just watched a clipped version of Snuka/Muraco on CHV Inside the Steel Cage.  A longer version, still clipped I believe, is on CHV Most Unusual Matches, which I intend to finish this afternoon (doing a lot of CHV catching up over Christmas Break).

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Blazer wrote: Super Snott wrote: Watched a comp Classic Camp made of some WWE stuff from 1983 with Scicluna over Johnny Rodz, Slaughter over Jay Strongbow, and a Snuka/Muraco MSG match.
That's pretty cool.  I just watched a clipped version of Snuka/Muraco on CHV Inside the Steel Cage.  A longer version, still clipped I believe, is on CHV Most Unusual Matches, which I intend to finish this afternoon (doing a lot of CHV catching up over Christmas Break).

The Snuka/Muraco match didn't have any stips, but was infamous for Muraco piledriving Snuka on the floor and slamming his head on the ringside table for Snuka to color. I believe it's a DQ finish with both guys trying to choke each other out and several guys running out to split them up. You just don't see heat that way anymore.

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Lots of Portland wrestling circa 1977-1981. Matt and Tony Borne feuding with Buddy Rose and a variety of tag partners.  Lots of blood.  Great non-wrestling segments.

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Been going back and forth between WCW Saturday Night 1991 and Memphis 1980

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The Kliq find gold and bury the mid card. Meanwhile, Bret Hart wrestles a pirate.

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I just got Netflix, so I've watched Best of the Clash of Champions Episode 1 and Wrestling's Greatest Rivalries.

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/monday-night-wars-week-4/#.UswabbTlcTA

Bulldog vs. Undertaker, Yoko/Owen vs. Gunns + Kevin Sullivan vs. Randy Savage and Lex Luger vs. Meng!

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I have been watching all the "Titanes En El Ring" that I can find on Youtube. Seriously.I still remember finding it on ch.51 from Ft.Lauderdale as a teenager with a friend.We couldn't believe our eyes.

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Sting. Flair, and Arn vs Buzz Sawyer, Dragon Master, and Great Muta, , Sky Scrapers V.2 vs. Road Warriors, DOOM vs. Steiner Bros., Mil Mascaras vs, Cactus Jack and more....

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Watched an incredibly lame Chief Jay Strongbow vs Masked Superstar match from MSG in 1983. Whoa.

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Road Warriors
Hulk Hogan Anthology
Lipstick and Dynamite

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Over the weekend, watched some Chikara ( best match was Mr. Touchdown vs Mixed Martial Archie ), two good Bruno matches ( vs Patera and vs Graham w/Monsoon as the ref ), and a pretty decent Backlund vs Muraco match from MSG.

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Recently watched a Maple Leaf Gardens show from November 1986. Terrible show overall, main evented by a Piper Muraco slugfest.

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watched most opf the same stuff as Snott, also some 1970's Portland with Moondog Mayne vs Buddy Rose

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Arn Anderson vs Ric Flair, Lex Luger vs. Randy Savage, Dean Malenko vs Eddy, Razor vs The 1-2-3 Kid and Bret Hart vs a Pirate all in a loaded edition of the Monday Night Wars!

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Started watching Nitro from the beginning. I've watched the first year so far.
I want you to post your thoughts on the episodes every single day, and we'll track your intelligence through your writings like in "Flowers For Algernon".  By the time you get to mid-1999, you're just going to be throwing your own feces at the monitor.

I've just started 1997. I'm gonna start live-tweeting it for shits and giggles and to amuse some of my friends. Join in at @krisswrestling if you're at all interested.

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Lipstick and Dynamite

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A huge six man RAW main event with the Kliq and Undertaker clashing with Camp Cornette...Nitro has the MOST SELF GRATIFYING PROMO EVER plus Flair vs. Arn in a cage!!

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/monday-night-wars-week-7-october-16th-1995/#.Uuey57TnY1k

Bret vs A Dentist in a cage or Benoit vs. Eddy and the Horsemen Exploding?

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/monday-night-wars-week-7-october-16th-1995/#.Uuey57TnY1k

Bret vs A Dentist in a cage or Benoit vs. Eddy and the Horsemen Exploding?

Good stuff on Nitro at the time as I remember we go it twice on the West Coast.

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Watching the full MSG card when Shieky Baby wins the title. He must have been pretty nervous that night - he was sweating buckets!
Also enjoyed the six man tag btwn Samoans and Jones/Atlas/Johnson. Ive always been a Snuka mark so I loved the Snuka/Skaaland vs Muraco/Albano too.
Patooski vs Masked Superstar was terrible, but my God I forgot how massive Patooski was for such a small guy.
Slaughter was also on the card - always loved his matches, even terrible ones like this one against Chief Jay.
Sal Bellomo went twenty min (!!) with Tiger Chung lee.
Being of eye-talian descent I laughed at Bellomo's post match interview which was half English half wop.

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The Clique bury Dean Douglas, Razor and The Kid continue to have issues and a Canadian PPV with no Bret Hart match! Come relive the debacle that was In Your House: Great White North!

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Good stuff! We were ordering most of these WWE PPV's at the time ( '95-'96 ) and aside from maybe one match, there were mostly the shits.

Looking back, I think WCW, even with the hokey Hogan vs. Dungeon of Doom feud, was more of a watchable product. Luger as a tweener, Sting/Flair/Arn/Pillman, the additions of Sabu ( briefly ), Benoit, Eddie, and Dean, and Nitro being live, all made things better than WWE.

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-monday-night-wars-week-8-102395/#.UvD1kbSQmSo

Raw has a battle royal, a debut and a title match - Nitro has a Giant and a even bigger block of ice!

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The Giant DIES live on PPV, Savage vs. Luger, Sting and Flair vs. Pillman and Arn and Sabu's lone WCW PPV!

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The WWE made Ricky Steamboat and Hart Family DVDs

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Pedro vs. Muraco
Backlund vs, Studd
Strongbow vs. Ray Stevens
Snuka vs. Buddy Rose
Plus Rocky Johnson, Curt Hennig and The Samoans in action!

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Without the WWE channel and likely no network, for a year or more in Canada, all I have are my DVDs, which aren't much! 

I've been working on"the world's greatest cage matches."  My wife bought this one for me as a surprise when it first came out.  I must've forgot I had it because I watched disc one right away, and I've been working on disc two and three.

some of these 2000s matches aren't much to be desired and they seem to have superstars in back to back matches??  Good variety!  LOLz

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Backlund vs. Sgt. Slaughter
Strongbow vs. Ivan Koloff
Rocky Johnson vs. Don Muraco
Snuka vs. Afa
and the best Sal Bellemo match I've ever seen!

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Nitro has all the top faces AWOL, while RAW has Gold Dust's debut and a pretty good Owen/Razor match with a shocking ending!

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Hogan vs. Big John Studd!
Tito Santana vs. Greg Valentine!
Sarge vs. Volkoff!
Afa vs. Dick Murdoch in a match that is either fantastic (my review) or minus two stars (Scott Keith's).
Plus David Sammartino, Mad Dog Vachon and bad promos from Johnny Valiant and Ken Patera!

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Sad_Astronaut wrote: Without the WWE channel and likely no network, for a year or more in Canada, all I have are my DVDs, which aren't much! 

I've been working on"the world's greatest cage matches."  My wife bought this one for me as a surprise when it first came out.  I must've forgot I had it because I watched disc one right away, and I've been working on disc two and three.

some of these 2000s matches aren't much to be desired and they seem to have superstars in back to back matches??  Good variety!  LOLz


Since this DVD, I've moved on to the best of Saturday Night's Main Event.  I'm relegated to my meager collection, which is almost all WWE commercial DVDs with a few Classics on Demand thrown in.

I've watched the best of SNME many times, but I just can't get enough of the Vince and Ventura commentating tandem.  So excellent.  I'm almost through this one, and I think I might go for the Top 100 Moments of Smackdown next.

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That battle royal from March '87 is a really fun watch and so beautifully booked.  

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Blazer wrote: That battle royal from March '87 is a really fun watch and so beautifully booked.  
Totally agree.  Even the cheese of the Mega Powers impoding and Hulk and Warrior's confrontation.  Pile on the cheese, but it worked so well.

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This past Sunday I spent most of the day watching the network at a friend's place. Great American Bash 88 followed by SummerSlam 88 and an MSG show from 84.

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Bunkhouse Stampede 88

How does a PPV with The Four Horsemen, Dusty Rhodes, The Midnight Express, The Road Warriors, Nikita Koloff, Lex Luger, Barry Windham manage to be a big bore? Even a steel cage battle royal can't save this debacle.
After covering the PPV, I offer some fantasy booking ideas to improve this mess.

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The NWA puts on a solid night of action with the first major bout between Lex Luger and Ric Flair. Friendship explodes as Dusty Rhodes clashes with Barry Windham. The Fantastics and The Midnight Express try and steal the show with another great exhibition in tag team excellence. A 10 man tag man triple decker cage match is a spectacle if nothing else. And the event kicks off with Sting and Nikita Koloff battling the Horsemen in a battle of attrition.

I do my best to add the backstory to each match to better improve your appreciation for why each contest was signed.

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Re: the Sting/Nikita Horsemen match. My cousin had taped this show off satellite for me, and I remember that match like it was yesterday. Nikita, with a brushcut that looked terrible compared to his bald headed look, was making a comeback on Arn. Arn had him in an arm lock and Nikita was slowly gaining strength, with the crowd firmly behind him. He finally gets up, looks Arn in the face (with Nikita's tongue out, and Arn with a petrified look on his face), throws Arn into the ropes and then bends down to give Arn a back drop. Arn comes off the ropes and at the last second, out of the blue, gives Nikita a DDT. The crowd, and myself, erupted in shock and excitement.

That desription likely didnt do it justice.

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I travel back to 1985 to watch the Dream Team battle Ricky Steamboat and Tito Santana, and the "blow off" of Hogan vs. Mr. Wonderful's first feud. Then we head to 1991 for "Rowdy" Roddy Piper taking aim at the "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, The Road Warriors vs.The Natural Disasters and THE BERZERKER steals the show!

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I hadn't moved to that Smackdown DVD as I posted early.  I actually went to the "best of Clash of the Champions."  I didn't realize I didn't watch all three discs when I first got it.  I was also craving something that wasn't WWE.  Really entertain stuff here.  I still think Schiavone was a great a commentator.

I'm thinking I might buy the best of Nitro vol one and two at some point.  This might keep me entertained in a non-WWE way for a while.

My thing is I miss the weekly shows, and I've never been one to over induldge with collections or what not.  I've seen some of the stuff people have for 'best of' and the like, but really the amount I get in a WWE release seems to please me.  that is until I can get the WWE network.

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Starcade 88

Flair tries to fend off Lex Luger a second time over capturing the World title, Dusty and Sting take the measure of the Road Warriors, Barry Windham tries to survive the massive Bam Bam Bigelow, The Midnight Express battles...The Midnight Express!?!!? And Rick Steiner enjoys the biggest win of his career...so far.

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I recently watched the 50th anniversary 3 disc WWE set.
Mostly disc 1, up until the late eighties, then I fell asleep!! LOL

after waking up.....

Discs 2 and 3 have specific PPV matchups and I just skimmed over them.
The Vince vs. Trump hair match was on there (Umaga vs. Bobby Lashly).

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/nwa-starrcade-88-true-grit/#.UyiIT4Um-So

Starcade 88

Flair tries to fend off Lex Luger a second time over capturing the World title, Dusty and Sting take the measure of the Road Warriors, Barry Windham tries to survive the massive Bam Bam Bigelow, The Midnight Express battles...The Midnight Express!?!!? And Rick Steiner enjoys the biggest win of his career...so far.

I thought the storyline of the Florida Title was that Rotunda 'gave' the belt to Steiner to 'defend', but Rick actually lost/misplaced it to further his rep as an idiot?

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I think Rick had the Florida belt right up to Starrcade '88, not that it was defended often.

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Rotundo(a) gave it to Rick, and the NWA basically phased it out. I'm not familiar/don't recall the "Rick lost it" angle, but perhaps they ran that on TBS.

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Blazer wrote: Rotundo(a) gave it to Rick, and the NWA basically phased it out. I'm not familiar/don't recall the "Rick lost it" angle, but perhaps they ran that on TBS.


I want say the Florida title and the Western States Heritage title held by Larry (can't spell his last name, bear with me) Zybysco were done away with at the same time.

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Just got through the end of WWF championship wrestling 1985. I am going into 1986. I actually plan in watching through 1989.

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Dory Funk Jr. vs. A MIDGET, Bulldogs vs. The Dream Team, WWWF World Champion vs NWA World Champion, Hulk Hogan hits a gusher vs. A cannibal, and Hogan vs. Flair(!) headline a card full of random finishes.

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victhestick wrote: Blazer wrote: Rotundo(a) gave it to Rick, and the NWA basically phased it out. I'm not familiar/don't recall the "Rick lost it" angle, but perhaps they ran that on TBS.


I want say the Florida title and the Western States Heritage title held by Larry (can't spell his last name, bear with me) Zybysco were done away with at the same time.

I believe you're right as Larry was gone w/the Western States Title and there wasn't any reason for them to use the Florida Title anymore.

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Since I got the Network, I've suspended my Nitro marathon (I got to May of 97) and am now watching WCW PPVs.

Been tweeting along as I'm watching. So far I've had responses from William Regal, Jim Duggan and Doug Gilbert when I've mentioned their matches.

Currently watching WrestleWar 89

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My third volume of reviews from the WWE Network's Old School House Shows trying to find diamonds in the rough: This week has Andre/Hillbilly Jim vs. Studd and Bundy, Steamboat vs. Savage, Piper vs. Muraco in a bloodbath, Bulldogs vs. Hart Foundation, Bruno Sammartino vs. Randy Savage, Duggan vs. The Iron Sheik, Jake the Snake vs. Earthquake and Hogan vs. Sgt. Slaughter - plus a TON of crappy encounters!

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Kriss wrote: Been tweeting along as I'm watching. So far I've had responses from William Regal, Jim Duggan and Doug Gilbert when I've mentioned their matches.

It must've taken you longer to tweet to Doug Gilbert than to watch one of his WCW matches.

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Bret Hart battles Lawler, Sting vs. Flair, Eddy Guerrero vs. Chris Benoit and a huge WCW title announcement during week 10 of the Monday Night Wars!!!

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Sad_Astronaut wrote: I hadn't moved to that Smackdown DVD as I posted early.  I actually went to the "best of Clash of the Champions."  I didn't realize I didn't watch all three discs when I first got it.  I was also craving something that wasn't WWE.  Really entertain stuff here.  I still think Schiavone was a great a commentator.

I'm thinking I might buy the best of Nitro vol one and two at some point.  This might keep me entertained in a non-WWE way for a while.

My thing is I miss the weekly shows, and I've never been one to over induldge with collections or what not.  I've seen some of the stuff people have for 'best of' and the like, but really the amount I get in a WWE release seems to please me.  that is until I can get the WWE network.


Since this post I actually found both Nitro sets at a second outlet for a resonable price and that was a nice surprise.  They are in good condition as well.  I've almost made it through disc one of the first set (keep in mind, I am lucky if a get a couple hours a week to watch this stuff these days).  It was okay, and I am happy to have it.  I think that as I watched the Monday Night War very regularly on the 24/7 On Demand Channel most of this is still very fresh in my mind.

I really enjoyed the Macho Man / Flair fueding prior to the nWo.  Flair making Macho "crazy" by stealing Elizabeth, etc.  I also liked the Luger/Sting uncertainty when they were tag champs.  Sting being the consumate hero and Luger not opposed to winning at all costs.  Some definite text book plots, yet actually executed well, by WCW standards.

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Hulk Hogan cosplays as The Cryptkeeper, Eddy Guerrero steals the show with Johnny B Badd, and Razor battles Sid with The 123 Kid as the special ref...nothing to worry about there...

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The Job Squad and the Joshi Gals almost steal the the show, the Wild Card brings the faces and heels together on the same team and Kevin Nash has the best match of his career in a grueling clash with Bret Hart!

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Sting vs. Hogan and Eddy Guerrero battling Ric Flair goes head to head with Diesel finding his mean streak again and Shawn Michaels collapsing from his concussions.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Been tweeting along as I'm watching. So far I've had responses from William Regal, Jim Duggan and Doug Gilbert when I've mentioned their matches.

It must've taken you longer to tweet to Doug Gilbert than to watch one of his WCW matches.

I made a comment about WrestleWar 89. Jim Ross announces the card as including JYD vs. Great Muta. 20 seconds later, Doug Gilbert is in the ring waiting for Muta to be his opponent. Gilbert tweeted to me that JYD's mother had just passed away.

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60 men. 3 rings. 1 title. Plus Sting vs. Flair, Luger vs. Savage and Joshi Gal action!

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Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair renew their classic rivalry, Lex Luger and Barry Windham try and settle a long standing grudge, The Road Warriors battle the massive Dr. Death and devious Kevin Sullivan, Rick Steiner and Mike Rotondo work a UFC style match and Sting tries to take down cagey vet Butch Reed.

Result guru needed RE: Dusty winning the 89 Bunkhouse Stampede~?

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You can't find a Bunkhouse Stampede Finals for 1989 because the promotion never had such a match. I'm nearly certain it was to have taken place at Chi-Town Rumble since the battle royals took place in January and the PPV was in February. However, even before Dusty got fired, the Bunkhouse Stampedes got buried, hence the Starrcade '88 one not even making TV. The matches took place as advertised at the arenas, but virtually went unmentioned on TV. Whether or not Dusty planned to win the scrubbed final can't be said for sure, but seems very likely.

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Recently I watched the documentary on the "History of the World Heavy Weight Championship" DVD.  I think it's done well.  Especially the first half.  I give the WWE a lot of credit for this.  For how much flak "fans like us" give WWE there are times, in my opinion, when they truly do try.  They try to tell an interesting story that caters enough to more dedicated fans, but that will also interest the more casual viewer.  I think I am somewhere in the middle and that's why I appreciate it so much.


I have now moved on to the "10th Anniversary of Smackdown" - the 100 top moments countdown.  I'm enjoying this as well.  I first watched it when it aired on Classics on Demand and I was surprised how much I liked it.  This was one of the truly great things about the on demand channel, and now the network.  There is so much I would have never considered watching, but now I will "chance it" because it's all (was) available to me.

 

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I love the Network, I watch it quite a bit and it's just cool to be able to turn it on and see what is "live" or just pick anything at random. I don't really watch for very long periods but its cool to just have it all right there in front of you. I have probably 90% of the PPVs available, but it's so convenient just sitting down and picking a show. Especially nice is the quality of everything, as it all looks great and they've even gone back in and added in some of the original music that they had removed for DVD releases.

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Flair vs. Steamboat 3~!! The Freebirds attempt to outwit Lex Luger, Rick Steiner and The Road Warriors continue to go to war with The Varsity Club, Sting squashes a WWF World Champion, and we kick things off with the Great Muta!!

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wrestle-war-89-the-music-city-showdown/#.U1Z_uFcm-So

Flair vs. Steamboat 3~!! The Freebirds attempt to outwit Lex Luger, Rick Steiner and The Road Warriors continue to go to war with The Varsity Club, Sting squashes a WWF World Champion, and we kick things off with the Great Muta!!

I just watched this one as well.  It has held up very well through the years as a good card.

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Flair vs. Steamboat 3~!! The Freebirds attempt to outwit Lex Luger, Rick Steiner and The Road Warriors continue to go to war with The Varsity Club, Sting squashes a WWF World Champion, and we kick things off with the Great Muta!!


Here are a few points about the show.

- The Midnight Express were actually gone from WCW at this time. They finished up at the Clash in April and didn't return until June. They spent their brief time outside WCW working some dates in Continental and a few indies. I was convinced we'd see them in the WWF since there was really nowhere else to go and make money, but they went back to WCW instead.

- Junkyard Dog was indeed fired. He'd come back about a year later in the spring of 1990 and with a push like it was 1980 despite being washed up. Doug Gilbert was a local fill in. I assume Eddie made sure he was at the arena with his gear that day, just in case.

- This card served as a blowoff for the Varsity Club. Sullivan and Rotunda remained a team. Doc went babyface. Spivey and Sid formed the Skyscrapers.

- Regarding Murdoch and Orton being good workers, Dick could still turn it on when motivated, but Orton was used up by this point. The WWF road and lifestyle along with the little it required in the ring from its wrestlers had rendered him just another guy.

- Speaking of washed up, the Iron Sheik had completely had it by then, yet George Scott signed and pushed him. Scott was gone by this point and there was no reason to keep pushing Iron Sheik, yet he got this match. At Chi-Town Rumble Sting faced an on the slide Butch Reed. Then this. That was a terrible use by WCW of one of its top babyfaces and drawing cards.

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tamalie wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wrestle-war-89-the-music-city-showdown/#.U1Z_uFcm-So

Flair vs. Steamboat 3~!! The Freebirds attempt to outwit Lex Luger, Rick Steiner and The Road Warriors continue to go to war with The Varsity Club, Sting squashes a WWF World Champion, and we kick things off with the Great Muta!!


Here are a few points about the show.

- The Midnight Express were actually gone from WCW at this time. They finished up at the Clash in April and didn't return until June. They spent their brief time outside WCW working some dates in Continental and a few indies. I was convinced we'd see them in the WWF since there was really nowhere else to go and make money, but they went back to WCW instead.

- Junkyard Dog was indeed fired. He'd come back about a year later in the spring of 1990 and with a push like it was 1980 despite being washed up. Doug Gilbert was a local fill in. I assume Eddie made sure he was at the arena with his gear that day, just in case.

- This card served as a blowoff for the Varsity Club. Sullivan and Rotunda remained a team. Doc went babyface. Spivey and Sid formed the Skyscrapers.

- Regarding Murdoch and Orton being good workers, Dick could still turn it on when motivated, but Orton was used up by this point. The WWF road and lifestyle along with the little it required in the ring from its wrestlers had rendered him just another guy.

- Speaking of washed up, the Iron Sheik had completely had it by then, yet George Scott signed and pushed him. Scott was gone by this point and there was no reason to keep pushing Iron Sheik, yet he got this match. At Chi-Town Rumble Sting faced an on the slide Butch Reed. Then this. That was a terrible use by WCW of one of its top babyfaces and drawing cards.

Wasn't Sheik there until 1990???

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Hogan 1 up's new World Champ Macho Man, Sting and Luger battle the Horsemen and the Undertaker finishes his feud with the Supreme Fighting Machine!

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I've been watching the Wrestling Challenge 1987 set I picked up from SMWFAN, reliving my childhood. Six shows in a row they've shown OutBack Jack vignettes to hype him coming in and I can't imagine how Vince thought he was going to make money with him.

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Lex Luger continues his battles with Randy Savage, Dean Douglas has his final RAW match, and Sting and Hogan come to blows!

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I like keeping up with various indy feds on youtube

A couple of my favorites are Victory Wrestling Showcase and United Wrestling Coalition.

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Bret vs. Bulldog in a match heralded as a under-appreciated classic - Does it hold up? HHH tumbles with a HOG farmer, King Mabel's WWF career is put to rest, Big Daddy Cool tries to avenge his boyfriend's concussion and Razor gets his hands on the 123 Kid!

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Sting and Flair battle Muta and....a mystery partner, The Steiners go for the gold vs. The Freebirds, Lex Luger faces cagey vet Tommy Rich, The Road Warriors try and finish the Samoan SWAT Team and Sid shows us all how he got so over!

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Regarding the push for Sid in late 1995 only for him to leave in early 1996, that was not something the WWF expected or planned. In fact, Sid and the 123 Kid seemed destined for the tag team title before his departure which had to do with a neck injury, although one he could have worked through, and him just wanting to get off the road.

Regarding Jim Ross and Jim Cornette mentioning how Tommy Rich's career had faltered in the years leading up to his match with Lex Luger, I get your point, but Tommy's career issues were simply to great to ignore and it was okay to mention them in a comeback kid sort of way. Rich got the spot due to Lex's scheduled feud partner Ricky Steamboat quitting.

The plastic bag suffocation angle definitely got some heat with Turner Broadcasting honchos.

Next to none of the fans bought Dick Slater in the spot as Terry Funk's sub. Too much time had passed since he was last in a prominent spot.

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A 2 week XMAS Monday night wars special!! Razor battles Yokozuna, Eddy faces Flair, Savage clashes with the Giant, and then Savage and Flair begin the 3rd chapter in their feud!!

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Funk and Flair settle the score, The Road Warriors collide with The Freebirds, The Steiners battle the massive Sky Scrapers, The Dynamic Duds (spelling intentional) compete with the Midnight Express for Jim Cornette's affection and Lex Luger tries to make Flyin' Brian crash land.

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tamalie wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wrestle-war-89-the-music-city-showdown/#.U1Z_uFcm-So

Flair vs. Steamboat 3~!! The Freebirds attempt to outwit Lex Luger, Rick Steiner and The Road Warriors continue to go to war with The Varsity Club, Sting squashes a WWF World Champion, and we kick things off with the Great Muta!!


- Junkyard Dog was indeed fired. He'd come back about a year later in the spring of 1990 and with a push like it was 1980 despite being washed up. Doug Gilbert was a local fill in. I assume Eddie made sure he was at the arena with his gear that day, just in case.


I thought Doug Gilbert was doing TV jobs as The Raider and was The Terrorist that Ranger Ross beat at the Clash in June 1989.

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The Best New Japan has to offer collides with WCW's big guns. Then Luger, Flair and Sting collide in a triangle match to decide who will go on to battle Macho Man for the World title!

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It's a battle of attrition as the NWA runs single and tag team round robin tournaments to determine who WCW's true Iron Men are. Participating is Sting, Muta, Luger, Flair, The Road Warriors, DOOM, The Samoans and The Steiner Brothers!

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Popped in Summerslam 88 last night from the anthology set. Only was able to watch the first hour and 20 minutes during the rain delay of the Sox game before bed. Watch up to the Harts/Demo match. Have to admit, for nostalgia, it was damn fun, even the clunkers.

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Blazer wrote: Popped in Summerslam 88 last night from the anthology set. Only was able to watch the first hour and 20 minutes during the rain delay of the Sox game before bed. Watch up to the Harts/Demo match. Have to admit, for nostalgia, it was damn fun, even the clunkers.
That is a rough show but much better than many of the same period house shows on the network
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We enter 1996 with Hogan vs. Flair, Savage vs. Arn Anderson, The RAW BOWL and a huge roster move for the WWF!

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Hogan and Savage battle the Horsemen, VADER battles Antonio Inoki, The WWF makes a hard push for the Royal Rumble, and the biggest star in WWF history makes his debut

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Lex Luger tries to once again wrest the World title from Ric Flair, The Steiners compete against Arn and Ole Anderson, Norman the Lunatic clashes with Cactus Jack, The Rock and Roll Express face old rivals The Midnight Express, The Road Warriors go to war with the Sky Scrapers, and Brian Pillman and Tom Zenk defend the US tag titles against Michael Hayes and Jimmy Garvin

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WCW has week 20 of Lex Luger, Sting, Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage bickering+ Sting vs. Ric Flair and Randy Savage vs. Lex Luger. RAW counters with A Dead Man vs. A Dentist and Goldust ramping up the homosexual overtones.

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The Monday Night Wars come to another PPV stop...This time VADER debuts and tries to end HBK's boyhood dream in the Royal Rumble, Bret Hart collides with the Dead Man, Razor Ramon fights off Goldust's advances, Ahmed Johnson clashes with Double J and the Smoking Gunns defend against The Body Donnas.


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Another big week in the Monday night wars as VADER makes a major impact during his first televised appearance, Razor Ramon collides with HHH, Bret Hart butts heads with Goldust, Randy Savage faces Ric Flair and Sting, Luger and Hogan are all in action!

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The MegaPowers collide with Ric Flair and The Giant! Luger and Sting battle the BlueBloods, Eddy Guerrero flies high against Brian Pillman, Public Enemy brawl with The Nasty Boyz, plus luchadores and cruiser-weights in action!

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Just finished the first episode of TNT. Absolutely hilarious. The dr d skit at his house (the woman playing his wife was hot), Samoans cooking and captain Lou among others. Albano was on fire. He was rambling so much.
Lord Alfred was great in his role on the show too.

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Was just watching the beginning of the Lawler/Idol feud. It's one of My favorites and even though I have it on DVD, there is some stuff on the Utube that's not on mine.

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Lex Luger clashes with Ric Flair in the Thunderdome! The Steiners defend their titles against DOOM, Tom Zenk and Brian Pillman bring their aerial assault to the Midnight Express, The Road Warriors and Norman collide with Kevin Sullivan, Bam Bam Bigelow and Cactus Jack plus ROBOCOP and other bad matches!

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the squared circle wrote: Just finished the first episode of TNT. Absolutely hilarious. The dr d skit at his house (the woman playing his wife was hot), Samoans cooking and captain Lou among others. Albano was on fire. He was rambling so much.
Lord Alfred was great in his role on the show too.

That's weird, I just watched the Dr. D vignette on Sunday, and yes, Mrs. Shults had it going on.

I just watched the first Toyota/Yamada vs. Kansai/Ozaki match from late 1992.  I've got it on a Barnett VHS compilation up in my attic, but it's just as easy to watch it on Youtube.  Good god, what a match.  There wasn't a worker in the world that could even approach Toyota at that point.  Kobashi was probably the closest.     

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Flair's infamous match with JYD headlines a night that also features Lex Luger vs. Sid, The Steiners against DOOM, The Rock and Roll Express colliding with the Midnight Express, Paul Orndorff taking the measure of Arn Anderson, Doug Furnas challenging Barry Windham, Brian Pillman making The Undertaker look like a beast and more!

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JYD in this time period was JUST GOD AWFUL BAD.

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-monday-night-wars-week-22-january-29th-1996/#.U7ZtELEm-Sp Another big week in the Wars as Konnan faces the One Man Gang, Hulk Hogan clashes with Ric Flair, Macho Man attempts to slay the Giant, The Road Warriors against the Faces of Fear, and the Kliq tangle with Camp Cornette. Plus bonus coverage of Eddy Guerrero against Lex Luger and Dean Malenko grappling with the Nature Boy!

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The Kliq battles Camp Cornette, The Kid and Hakushi fly high, and Bret Hart collides with The Undertaker on RAW, Nitro counters with Macho Man colliding with Chris Benoit, A "shoot" between Kevin Sullivan and Brian Pillman and finishes with Sting and Lex Luger trying to out muscle the Road Warriors

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Sting is ordained the face of WCW as he conquers Ric Flair, El Gigante makes his ring debut in tag action against the Horsemen, The Steiners try and clip the Freebirds wings, DOOM defends their gold against the Rock and Roll Express, Lex Luger sends Mean Mark Callous to his grave, the debut of VADER, the last PPV match for Harley Race, an incredible battle between the Wild Eyed Southern Boys and the Midnight Express, plus Doug Furnas, Brian Pillman and the Iron Sheik in action!!

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-great-american-bash-1990-the-new-revolution/#.U7_W5bEm-So

Sting is ordained the face of WCW as he conquers Ric Flair, El Gigante makes his ring debut in tag action against the Horsemen, The Steiners try and clip the Freebirds wings, DOOM defends their gold against the Rock and Roll Express, Lex Luger sends Mean Mark Callous to his grave, the debut of VADER, the last PPV match for Harley Race, an incredible battle between the Wild Eyed Southern Boys and the Midnight Express, plus Doug Furnas, Brian Pillman and the Iron Sheik in action!!


I think the 'joke' JR makes about Race is him wearing his King trunks and Ross saying he must be a Sacramento Kings fan or something like that.

 

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Hulk Hogan attempts to topple the Giant in a Steel cage DEATH match, Macho Man defends the World title against the Nature Boy, Luger and Sting brawl with the Road Warriors, Johnny B Badd settles the score with DDP, Brian Pillman finally goes off the deep end, The Nasty Boyz and Public Enemy turn the arena into a war zone and Konnan has a dreadful encounter with the One Man Gang!

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Just downloaded the first 30 disks of the Buddy Rose PNW collection. Mostly early 80's footage.

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Super Snott wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-great-american-bash-1990-the-new-revolution/#.U7_W5bEm-So

Sting is ordained the face of WCW as he conquers Ric Flair, El Gigante makes his ring debut in tag action against the Horsemen, The Steiners try and clip the Freebirds wings, DOOM defends their gold against the Rock and Roll Express, Lex Luger sends Mean Mark Callous to his grave, the debut of VADER, the last PPV match for Harley Race, an incredible battle between the Wild Eyed Southern Boys and the Midnight Express, plus Doug Furnas, Brian Pillman and the Iron Sheik in action!!


I think the 'joke' JR makes about Race is him wearing his King trunks and Ross saying he must be a Sacramento Kings fan or something like that.

 

It's been a long time, but I'm 99% positive that Tommy Rich's billed opponent was Bam Bam Bigelow with Harley Race's appearance at the PPV being as a late substitute and unbilled in advance. Bam Bam was in and out of WCW in the 1989-91 range, just getting work and a payoff when time allowed between New Japan gigs, similar to Stan Hansen and All Japan in the same timeframe.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Just downloaded the first 30 disks of the Buddy Rose PNW collection. Mostly early 80's footage.
I have the first seventy or so discs. Great stuff.

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United We Slam: The Best of The Great American Bash

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Central States from April/May 1984 right now. Good stuff, but the ring seems very small compared to other companies. Could just be the camera work, which is very basic.

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khawk wrote: Central States from April/May 1984 right now. Good stuff, but the ring seems very small compared to other companies. Could just be the camera work, which is very basic.
Way back when, I used to get both AWA and CC over the airwaves, weather permitting.  The CC ring always seemed smaller.

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Hacksaw Duggan tries to soften up Earthquake for the Hulkster, Mr.Perfect and Ronnie Garvin stiff the shit out of each other, Demolition try and prevent a Hart Attack, plus Kerry Von Erich, The Warlord, Jake Roberts, Power and Glory and The Orient Express are all in action!

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Been watching the WWF Superstars '87 season set.

It is amazing how stream-lined and amazing the product was then compared to future years. Even watching the three minute jobber squash matches, you realize quickly that everything had a purpose. It's also fascinating to listen to McMahon and Jesse, and even to some extent Bruno, calling the matches as they happened in the arena (not like the future voiceover stuff), and the mistakes were left in, but mostly it sounded great. There must have been a great deal of preparation to pull that off so perfectly, and it's a far cry from everything today.

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Arn Anderson shocks Hulk Hogan 2 weeks in a row, Brian Pillman goes crazy in ECW, Loch Ness squashes cruiserweights, Macho Man battles The Nature Boy AGAIN, Razor Ramon clashes with Goldust and Diesel destroys the Undertaker's sanctuary

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AKA IYH: Foregone conclusion... See The Undertaker avenge Big Daddy Cool's interference in his recent battles with World Champion (afterthought) Bret Hart... Shawn Micheals steals the show with Owen Hart in a clash to decide who headlines Wrestlemania...Yokozuna tries to avoid a heart attack while chasing the British Bulldog down...HHH is reduced to fighting a Garbage Man...Razor and The Kid battle for the rights to cosplay as an infant...all on the Road to Wrestlemania 12!

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The Black Scorpion angle begins and its first crescendo is hit as Sting challenges the masked man of mystery in the main event, Lex Luger and Ric Flair collide yet again, Stan Hansen destroys people, The Nasty Boyz make their first major appearance in WCW, The Steiners wreck some giant jobbers, Kevin Nash has a Botchamania worthy debut match, all this and more from the amazing booking exploits of Ole Anderson!!!

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Watching a great match between Wahoo and Super Destroyer (Spoiler) from MidAtlantic mid 70s. It's on disc five of the tapes Cornette salvaged from Crockett's dumpster. I watched these about five or six years ago and am going through them again. I'm really enjoying this match. I love the way Jardine works the claw.
Now it's Gene Anderson vs Paul Orndorff

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Sting defends against the monstrous Sid Vicious, More Black Scorpion "magic", Lex Luger brawls with Stan Hansen, The Steiners brawl with The Nasty Boyz, The last hurrah of the Rock and Roll Express/Midnight Express feud, and Ric Flair and Arn Anderson challenge DOOM,

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Jake the Snake returns to WWF TV for the first time in four years, Hall and Nash decide to leave the WWF, A 6 man brawl helps to set up Uncensored, Shawn and The 123 Kid steal the show, Bret Hart battles HHH, and Goldust ups his creeper factor!

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I cover the USA specials that helped promote that year's Summerslam PPV. Matches include Bret Hart vs. The Barbarian, Hulk Hogan vs. Sgt. Slaughter, Perhaps the best Tito Santana match of the 90's (vs. Ric Flair), Warrior and Macho Man vs. The Nasty Boyz, Hacksaw Duggan vs. Yokozuna, and a Steel Cage battle between The Steiner Brothers vs. Money Inc. and MUCH more!!

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/summerslam-spectacular-199192-and-93/#.U-y8tWP1vSg

I cover the USA specials that helped promote that year's Summerslam PPV. Matches include Bret Hart vs. The Barbarian, Hulk Hogan vs. Sgt. Slaughter, Perhaps the best Tito Santana match of the 90's (vs. Ric Flair), Warrior and Macho Man vs. The Nasty Boyz, Hacksaw Duggan vs. Yokozuna, and a Steel Cage battle between The Steiner Brothers vs. Money Inc. and MUCH more!!

Primetime showed a cage match with Adrian Adonis/Randy Savage vs Tito/Bruno from MSG in '86.

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I am still getting through a box of VHS I bought from a collector - it's a grab bag of WWF/WCW from 97-2000 (which i missed the first time around)....really cool stuff last night I watched the Dudley Boyz and Hardy Boyz in the first-ever tables Match - and then Triple H defending the title against Cactus Jack in a streetfight from MSG - Holy Shit what a bloodbath...these tapes go all over the place and it is fun not knowing what will appear next and trying to place the footage in time/context

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A few nxt shows. i must have went to school with at least a dozen Enzo Amore's.

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broke wrote: A few nxt shows. i must have went to school with at least a dozen Enzo Amore's.
He should be a manager on the WWE roster right now.

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Absolutely. I gotta admit that I much prefer NXT to Raw or Smackdown. Enzo and the Vaudevillains are probably my 2 favourite gimmicks right now.

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One of the worst cards ever put together...Hosses debut left and right, squash matches everywhere! Plus racist babyfaces, A BATTLE AX is used as a foreign object, magic tricks in the World title angle, and Ric Flair headlines to try and save the show.....

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Just watched the June 13, 1987 Superstars episode where HTM beats Steamboat for the IC belt. I've seen the match recently, but this is the first time I've seen that entire episode since it aired 27 years ago. The booking and timing of the title switch was masterful, and having HTM come out at the end with the belt and celebrate with the crowd with his original theme song playing was just fantastic. That title switch is still the most shocking from that era, but in many ways that's why it was so good. Honky was on a roll leading up to that as well. Dude was nuclear with the crowds leading up to that week.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/clash-of-the-champions-13-thanksgiving-thunder-90/#.U_8ut2PFMg8

One of the worst cards ever put together...Hosses debut left and right, squash matches everywhere! Plus racist babyfaces, A BATTLE AX is used as a foreign object, magic tricks in the World title angle, and Ric Flair headlines to try and save the show.....

The Beast was a different guy than the Botswanna Beast. The former was, I think, Bill Tabb who did a ton of TV jobs for JCP and got minor pushes in Florida and Continental in the mid to late 1980s. The latter, Ben Peacock, was as heavy as Kamala and used nearly the same gimmick, but was much shorter. He was a decent worker for his size however and worked in All Japan for ages.

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What confuses things even more is that he's referred to by the announcers strictly as "the Beast," but his graphic does call him "Botswana Beast." Maybe Peacock was booked and dropped out/was hurt.

That Clash is definitely in the running for Worst Major Show of All-Time, and before the late-'90s WCW clusterfucks probably owns that title. I can unequivocally say that GAB '91 was a better show than this.

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/the-monday-night-wars-week-28-march-11th-1996/#.VAB2Y2PFMg8 Austin becomes Stone Cold, Mark Henry makes his first appearance, Piper and Goldust get frisky, The Dungeon of Doom's big men implode, The Steiner Bros. return and challenge the Road Warriors and a 6 man donnybrook sets up Uncensored

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Uncensored and Wrestlemania are on the horizon as we get more Bret bitterness, a dead Diesel, Lex Luger vs. Loch Ness, The Mega Powers vs. Flair and friends AGAIN and a Wrestlecrap finish.

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The Steiners battle 7 teams for the honor of being "tag team of the Universe", The Black Scorpion is revealed, DOOM and the Horsemen beat the tar out of each other, Stan Hansen battles Lex Luger and more!

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A PPV headlined by a match that is on the short list for most infamous of all time as the MegaPowers battle EIGHT men in a triple tiered DOOMSDAY Cage match, The Road Warriors battle Sting and Booker T, LOCH NESS vs. The Giant, Fit Finlay and Steve Regal beat the tar out of each other, man on woman violence and more!

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Blazer wrote: Just watched the June 13, 1987 Superstars episode where HTM beats Steamboat for the IC belt. I've seen the match recently, but this is the first time I've seen that entire episode since it aired 27 years ago. The booking and timing of the title switch was masterful, and having HTM come out at the end with the belt and celebrate with the crowd with his original theme song playing was just fantastic. That title switch is still the most shocking from that era, but in many ways that's why it was so good. Honky was on a roll leading up to that as well. Dude was nuclear with the crowds leading up to that week.
I would love to see that episode all the way through as well.  I haven't seen it since it originally aired either.

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Scott Steiner gets his first crack at singles super stardom when he battles World Champion Ric Flair, DOOM defends against Lex Luger and Sting, plus Zenk vs. Eaton, Terry Taylor turns to the darkside while clashing with Ricky Morton, Paul Heyman and Missy Hyatt arm wrestle...and quite frankly a bunch of other crap...

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I've been loving me some of that newly released old timey Chicago stuff released in bulk on YouTube. In the past couple of days I watched Lou Thesz vs. Ruffy Silverstein and also Thesz against Buddy Rogers (the real one not his brother) from 1950. Awesome awesome stuff.

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WongLee wrote: I've been loving me some of that newly released old timey Chicago stuff released in bulk on YouTube. In the past couple of days I watched Lou Thesz vs. Ruffy Silverstein and also Thesz against Buddy Rogers (the real one not his brother) from 1950. Awesome awesome stuff.

And on that day, Wong and Viewer walked hand in hand wearing only a fig leaf.  

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A highly entertaining "Go home" show to Wrestlemania sees Bret and Shawn share crass words, and all the other top Mania matches get a final sprinkle of anticipation building zest - Nitro counters with 3 title matches culminating with The Giant vs. Ric Flair!!!

http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wwe/wrestlemania-12/#.VCQpVRaGcg8

Wrestlemania 12!!! Shawn and Bret clash for an hour, The Warrior returns, Piper tries to prove he's still the king of Hollywood, Hosses clash in a 6 man and more!!

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I was watching tonight's Smackdown and I just watched the Big Show successfully execute a sunset flip on Rusev. All 500 lbs of him. I am really impressed.

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wrestle-war-91/#.VCqfPxaGcg8 WAR GAMES!!! Stan Hansen vs. VADER!!!, DOOM implode!!, Nikita Koloff makes a shocking return, Lex Luger and Dan Spivey nearly steal the show, and much more!

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WCW offers up the biggest mega match possible as 4 superhero babyfaces collide in tag action as Lex Luger and Sting battle the Steiners! Flair combats Tatsumi Fujinami for the WCW World title, Brian Pillman collides with Barry Windham, El Gigante goes toe to toe with Sid Vicious, OZ makes his infamous debut, DOOM clash in a cage with one another and more!!

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Bobby Eaton takes the measure of Ric Flair in a best of 3 Falls endurance battle, Lex Luger collides with The Great Muta for the number one contender's spot, Sting faces Nikita Koloff, The Steiners battle Hase and Chono, Pillman and El Gigante butt heads with the Horsemen, plus a ridiculous amount of new faces debut!!

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The infamous Bash 91 where Ric Flair left WCW beforehand... Luger collides with Barry Windham for the World title...plus a Scaffold match with no big bump...El Gigante and One Man Gang trying to set a new record for suck...OZ in action again... Sting and Nikita battle in a Russian Chain match...The Rock and Roll Express prove even they can be a cure for insomnia...plus Missy Hyatt naked and other clashes of limited consequence!!

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I believe WCW ran into some sort of issue with the state athletic commission over Missy working against Paul E, so her getting kidnapped was a way out of it.

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tamalie wrote: I believe WCW ran into some sort of issue with the state athletic commission over Missy working against Paul E, so her getting kidnapped was a way out of it.
Yeah in Maryland Males can't wrestle Females. Vince wrestled Steph in Maryland years later because he had a check ready to pay the fine.

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Another big week as the WWF has 2 familiar faces debut the night after Wrestlemania - WCW competes by having Hulk Hogan in yet another match with the Dungeon/Horsemen, Luger vs. Flair and Sting vs. The Giant!!

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We start with tons of news from recent WCW events - both on and off camera. Then we move on to the action where Ron Simmons receives a hard push to prep him for his first PPV headlining role, Rick Steiner and Bill Kazmaier battle The Enforcers, Steve Austin tries to fend off the Z-man, a battle royal, Van Hammer debuts, Sting wrestles in one of the worst matches of his career against Johnny B Badd, and other action!

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Old school MSG shows that I just got from Landy......

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Wrestlecrap meets bad booking as THE CHAMBER OF HORRORS sees 10 of WCW's best confined into a cell full of weapons and electricity! Plus Phantoms and Creatures wrestle! BOOOOO! (Am I mad or making ghost sounds?) More OZ matches as he battles Bill Kazmaier, The Freebirds stink up the place again, Van Hammer wrestles a jobber (only on PPV!) Ron Simmons dreams of being world champ are undone by his own hand...and in between all the crap, Bobby Eaton and Terry Taylor try and steal the show before young studs Dustin Rhodes and Steve Austin can leave their own mark.

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I've been watching 1987 Memphis. The entire season is on Youtube. I think the whole 1986 season is there too, but I started with 1987 because I wanted to see the Rich/Idol vs Lawler feud.

If anybody doesn't own these on DVD and wants them, the copies are pretty damn nice on Youtube.

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An amazing wrestling match between Shelton Benjamin and Kurt Angle from the August 22, 2005 RAW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t_J4nFO_b4

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WongLee wrote: An amazing wrestling match between Shelton Benjamin and Kurt Angle from the August 22, 2005 RAW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t_J4nFO_b4

Angle was probably at his absolute best here.  Great, great match...they could have gone twice as long if they were allowed to, but for the amount of effort they both put in, 13 mins seemed like it flew.

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One of the more noteworthy Clashes sees Rick Rude battle Sting for the US title, Ricky Steamboat's epic return-teaming with Dustin Rhodes vs. The Enforcers, Luger defending against Rick Steiner, Cactus Jack vs. Van Hammer, Steve Austin vs. PN Newz and more!

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Just watched "My side of the Story" with Tito Santana and Greg Valentine. I thought it was very good.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: One of the more noteworthy Clashes sees Rick Rude battle Sting for the US title, Ricky Steamboat's epic return-teaming with Dustin Rhodes vs. The Enforcers, Luger defending against Rick Steiner, Cactus Jack vs. Van Hammer, Steve Austin vs. PN Newz and more!
I love Arn's reaction when Steamboat is revealed as Dustin's partner.

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Survivor Series is fast approaching, so let's look back at the 89 and 90 "Survivor Series Showdown" specials that promoted each event. Featured matches include Big Bossman vs. Earthquake, Tito Santana vs. Sgt. Slaughter, Macho Man vs. Hercules and The Ultimate Warrior vs. Tully Blanchard...plus action from Rick Martel, Bret Hart, Mr.Perfect and Kerry Von Erich!!

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I cover 3 years worth of the USA Specials that preceded the yearly Survivor Series PPVs. Matches include Virgil vs. Million Dollar Man, Bossman vs. Quake, Davey Boy Smith vs. HBK, Quake vs IRS, Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna and Marty Jannetty vs IRS plus recaps of some of the hot angles that surrounded the event such as Macho Man being bit by a snake, Hogan being buried on the Funeral Parlor, Mr. Perfect turning on Ric Flair and so on...

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3 full weeks of the Monday night wars see Hulk Hogan end his feud with the Dungeon of Doom once and for all, the fallout of Brian Pillman's horrific accident, Yokozuna is destroyed by Vader in an awesome angle, Goldust ups the homophobia with sexual assaults on Savio Vega and the Ultimate Warrior, plus Luger/Sting battle Flair and the Giant and much more!

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A bizarre night of action as 40 men are forced to team up with random partners to try and qualify for the "Battle Bowl". This leads to strange pairings such as Sting teaming with Abby the Butcher, The Freebirds colliding, Justin Liger trying to make rookie DDP look good and other such oddities. A fun card, but why ruin the Starrcade brand with the gimmick?

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just watched the doc from the paul heyman wwe dvd release a few months ago. was absolutely fantastic!

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Shawn Michaels makes his first PPV title defense against his former best friend Diesel, The Ultimate Warrior participates in a debacle with Goldust, Razor Ramon makes his final WWF TV appearance colliding with Big Van Vader, plus a pair of lackluster tag bouts fill out the card.

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A mixed bag of a card features such great matches like Sting and Ricky Steamboat vs. Rick Rude and Steve Austin, Six-man action with Dustin Rhodes, Barry Windham, and Ron Simmons vs. Larry Zybysko, Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton, The Steiners vs. VADER and Mr, Hughes, and an entertaining Van Hammer/Cactus Jack Falls count anywhere brawl. A liberal dose of Wrestlecrap sees PN News and Vinnie Vegas in action and the Freebirds participate in a ridiculous song and dance routine. All in all an entertaining two hour broadcast!

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The best War Games ever sees Sting, Nikita Koloff, Ricky Steamboat, Dustin Rhodes and Barry Windham battle Rick Rude, Larry Zybysko, Bobby Eaton, Arn Anderson and Steve Austin. The undercard sees an incredible Steiner Bros vs. Fujinami and Iizuka war of attrition and Tom Zenk vs. Brian Pillman nearly steal the show in a battle of friendly fire. The rest with the Freebirds, Mr. Hughes, The Super Invader and others is largely BAD, BAD crap.

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Bill Watts' tenure in WCW begins with a card full of WRASSLIN' - Rick Rude and Ricky Steamboat battle in a 30 minute Iron Man match, The Steiner Bros engage in a war of attrition with Terry Gordy and Dr. Death, Sting and Cactus Jack collide in a Falls Count Anywhere match that has obtained legendary status, The Dangerous Alliance continue their war against Nikita Koloff, Dustin Rhodes and Barry Windham -plus Ron Simmons, Brian Pillman and Greg Valentine are in action on the undercard!!!

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WCW Tag Tourney
WCW hosts the NWA tag title tourney as The Steiners clash with Dr. Death and Terry Gordy, Barry Windham and Dustin Rhodes battle Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton, Dean Malenko debuts, Justin Liger teams with rival Brian Pillman and top teams from Mexico and Japan try their luck against some of WCW's best!

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Sting battles Vader in their first PPV singles encounter with the World title hanging in the balance. Plus the NWA Tag Title Tournament continues as Barry Windham and Dustin Rhodes battle Steve Austin and Rick Rude, Ricky Steamboat and Nikita Koloff attempt to clip the wings of Brian Pillman and Jushin Liger, and Shinya Hashimoto and Hiroshi Hase clash with the Freebirds with Terry Gordy and Dr. Death awaiting the survivors for a night of attrition with gold on the line!!

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Watched a Ken Resnick Shoot interview on the weekend. It was an RF production, so you know the questions were shit, but he had a few decent stories/memories of the AWA and his time there, which was nice. Not too many shoots out there are AWA-centric.
He didn't have a bad word for anyone so no real dirt but it didn't take away from it as badly as it does for some guys when they do "I don't want to offend anyone" shoots.

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A massive 8-man tag bout featuring Sting, The Steiners and Nikita Koloff against Big Van Vader, Rick Rude, Jake the Snake and the Super Invader headlines a night celebrating the past 20 years of Wrasslin' on TBS. The card also features World Champ Ron Simmons vs. Cactus Jack, Ricky Steamboat vs. Steve Austin and other action featuring Arn Anderson, Barry Windham, Dick Slater, Bobby Eaton and more!!

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A look back at Halloween Havoc 92, featuring Ricky Steamboat colliding with Brian Pillman, Dr. Death and Steve Austin against Dustin Rhodes and Barry Windham, Big Van Vader bullying Nikita Koloff, a God Awful Masa Chono vs. Rick Rude encounter, Ron Simmons defending the World title against a rejuvenated Barbarian and Sting and Jake the Snake in a bloody finale - plus the story of Jake's near death experience at the hands of a fan is revealed!

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I have been watching the earliest WWWF footage, HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTING from the Capital Arena in Washington DC - the bouts are pretty much standard Golden Age stuff but you can detect the late 60s/70s are right around the corner - heel violence is getting more cruel and regular and the hairstyles on the performers and in the audience are noticeably longer - the audiences especially are starting to turn from the well-heeled/dressed saturday-night-out crowd to the guys-only tavern sitting/factory working set that would symbolize the 70s in Hamburg and Allentown...cool stuff

Bill Watts squash 1965
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The Beast 1966
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There seems to be no TV footage between these that have circulating from 65/66 through about 72/73, a Phila Arena TV match between Sammartino and Mr Fuji. I would have thought something might have been dusted off somewhere by now.

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pjstef wrote: There seems to be no TV footage between these that have circulating from 65/66 through about 72/73, a Phila Arena TV match between Sammartino and Mr Fuji. I would have thought something might have been dusted off somewhere by now.the next available footage IIRC is a 1972 non-title TV bout between Fuji and Pedro Morales that was on the Fugi HOF show

re:  check that, I do have a Bruno-George Steele cage match from the Philly Arena in 1970

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Lately I've been watching WWF Championship Wrestling 1985 season (I'm up to about March now, just before WrestleMania 1) and Mid-South 1984 season, I'm up to August-September, JYD just left the area.

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retroken wrote: pjstef wrote: There seems to be no TV footage between these that have circulating from 65/66 through about 72/73, a Phila Arena TV match between Sammartino and Mr Fuji. I would have thought something might have been dusted off somewhere by now.the next available footage IIRC is a 1972 non-title TV bout between Fuji and Pedro Morales that was on the Fugi HOF show

re:  check that, I do have a Bruno-George Steele cage match from the Philly Arena in 1970
Yes, Ken I meant to say Morales not Sammartino. I was not sure if the Steele-Bruno match was from TV or was actually from some house show footage. I think the 72 Morales-Fuji match may be it.

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pjstef wrote: retroken wrote: pjstef wrote: There seems to be no TV footage between these that have circulating from 65/66 through about 72/73, a Phila Arena TV match between Sammartino and Mr Fuji. I would have thought something might have been dusted off somewhere by now.the next available footage IIRC is a 1972 non-title TV bout between Fuji and Pedro Morales that was on the Fugi HOF show

re:  check that, I do have a Bruno-George Steele cage match from the Philly Arena in 1970
Yes, Ken I meant to say Morales not Sammartino. I was not sure if the Steele-Bruno match was from TV or was actually from some house show footage. I think the 72 Morales-Fuji match may be it.

I think there's an Andre & Strongbow vs. 3 jobbers handi-cap match from around that era as well (or is that match from 73?). Can't think of exactly who the 3 opponents are, but they were the usual tv guys from the era.

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An All-Star Wrestling comp I got from Classic Camp.

Hosted by Rocca/McMahon, opener was Bobo Brazil vs Davey O'Hannon, plus Ernie Ladd promo/squash, a Louis Cyr squash, and Francisco Flores/Kevin Sullivan vs Bugsy McGraw and Jerry Blackwell.

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A loaded Clash sees Sting battle Rick Rude, Dustin Rhodes and Barry Windham defend their Unified Tag titles against Shane Douglas and Ricky Steamboat, Ron Simmons teaming with 2 Cold Scorpio against the trio of Cactus Jack, The Barbarian and Tony Atlas, Brad Armstrong vs. Brian Pillman, plus a boxing match, an intergender match, sex in a shopping center, and the Erik Watts mega push continues!

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A true mixed bag of a card has a Sting vs. Vader CLASSIC, Barry Windham and Brian Pillman vs. Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglas, Barry Windham and The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman and 2 Cold Scorpio, Masa Chono vs. The Great Muta, Ron Simmons vs. Dr. Death, a battle royal and more!

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Sting and Dustin Rhodes collide with Vader, Paul Orndorff and Barry Windham in a Thundercage!, The Hollywood Blonds try and outshine Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglas, Brad Armstrong grapples with Chris Benoit, 2 Cold Scorpio flies high against Scotty Flamingo, Johnny B. Badd battles Cactus Jack and more!

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/clash-of-the-champions-22-thundercage/#.VPwyg6R0zVI

Sting and Dustin Rhodes collide with Vader, Paul Orndorff and Barry Windham in a Thundercage!, The Hollywood Blonds try and outshine Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglas, Brad Armstrong grapples with Chris Benoit, 2 Cold Scorpio flies high against Scotty Flamingo, Johnny B. Badd battles Cactus Jack and more!



I attended this show and it was damn good,  loved the way they started and ended it with Foley. Crazy to think I was in high school when this show happened. 

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An amazing night of action sees a bloody Sting/Vader clash with a strap tying them together, A high flying battle between 2 Cold Scorpio and Chris Benoit, A war of attrition between Barry Windham and The Great Muta, Classic tag team action between The Rock and Roll Express and the Heavenly Bodies, Mick Foley taking some of the sickest bumps of his career during a Falls Count Anywhere brawl with Mr. Wonderful, the apex of the Erik Watts backlash, plus Bill Watts gets fired for inflammatory comments and much more!!

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Slamboree sees a test of bull power between Davey Boy Smith and Vader, Arn Anderson and Barry Windham colliding in a bloody war for NWA gold, a wild cage match with the Hollywood Blonds defending against Ricky Steamboat and Tom Zenk, three matches featuring some of the all time greats trying to turn back the clock, plus Sid Vicious, Rick Rude, Dustin Rhodes and more!!

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Ric Flair and Arn Anderson try to knock down the young Hollywood Blonds, who are on a quest to eliminate the elders from the top of the heap. Sting, Davey Boy Smith and Dustin Rhodes battle Rick Rude, Vader and Sid, Barry Windham attempts to ground 2 Cold Scorpio and Johnny B Badd, Steve Regal and Dick Slater fill out the undercard!

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/clash-of-the-champions-23-the-four-horsemen-vs-the-hollywood-blonds/#.VR6mHPnF_rF

Ric Flair and Arn Anderson try to knock down the young Hollywood Blonds, who are on a quest to eliminate the elders from the top of the heap. Sting, Davey Boy Smith and Dustin Rhodes battle Rick Rude, Vader and Sid, Barry Windham attempts to ground 2 Cold Scorpio and Johnny B Badd, Steve Regal and Dick Slater fill out the undercard!

"Simmons dominates the early going as the Confederate Rebel is served up some restitution for the slavery days. Perhaps I’m reading too much into the gimmick. Slater slaps Simmons and that only pisses Simmons off. Orndorff trips up Simmons to set up Slater’s heat segment. Slater gets a near fall and celebrates like a retard. Simmons jumps him and powerslams him for the quick win. Not much to see here."
I've never much time to read these reviews, but perhaps I'm not missing much based on this.  "Celebrates like a retard"?   Um, OK.  Not going to touch the ridiculous other comment.


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Us Yankees see the Confederate Flag as one who is was on the side of Slavery. "States rights" whatever.  I was just amusing myself during a crap match, which I do from time to time.  If this offends you, do not read my review of the Clash from before Starrcade 90 as I go into the African Apartheid causing genocide during a match for the"African" portion of the World cup. 
The second comment could just as easily read "Slater did not intelligently defend himself in the realm of kayfabe.
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More concerned that you think "retard" is an acceptable and appropriate word.  Whatever.

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I watched the Randy Savage doc on the Network. It was good. My wife cried when Randy died and made me turn it off.

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brodiescomics wrote: I watched the Randy Savage doc on the Network. It was good. My wife cried when Randy died and made me turn it off.
Spoilers dammit !!!!!!!!!! :tongue:

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Sting and the Bulldog collide with Vader and Sid, Ric Flair battles Barry Windham, The Horsemen attempt to slay the Hollywood Blonds, Dustin Rhodes goes 30 minutes with Rick Rude, and other action as WCW burns nearly to the ground in the wake of creative diarrhea being presented on a weekly basis.

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Vader collides with Davey Boy Smith with the World title hanging in the balance, The Hollywood Blonds end their run on top with a whimper as they battle the Horsemen, Flair and Sting team up against the massive Kongs, The Shockmaster makes his oh so memorable debut, Scorpio and Eaton fly high, Steamboat and Orndorff scuffle in a lost classic and much more! All that plus some bonus info on WCW backstage buffoonery.

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Wrestlecrap meets War Games as The Shockmaster gets involved in an 8 man war teaming with Sting, Rhodes and the Bulldog to face Sid, Vader and the Harlem Heat. Plus Flair and Rick Rude tussle over the NWA World title, Ricky Steamboat puts on a wrestling clinic with Lord Steven Regal, The Nasty Boyz find a way to make the Horsemen have a bad match, and the rest of the card is filled with crappy gimmicks and cruddy wrestlers! Like a car wreck, you don't want to stare, but can't look away!

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Vader and Cactus Jack engage in a bloody brawl, Ricky Steamboat steals the show with Mr. Wonderful, Steve Austin grapples with Dustin Rhodes, Lord Steven Regal attempts to avoid the bite of the Bulldog, Sting takes the measure of Sid Vicious, Rick Rude tries to wear down The Nature Boy and other action!

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The 25th Clash special sees a loaded line up with Vader defending his World title against Flair, Sting and The British Bulldog challenging the Nasty Boyz, Road Warrior Hawk chasing down Rick Rude, Johnny B Badd grapples with Lord Steven Regal, Dustin Rhodes battles Paul Orndorff, plus the fallout of Sid and Arn Anderson being involved in a bloody Hotel brawl with scissors begins to reshape WCW's long term plans.

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WCW puts 40 of their top names into random pairings, and forgot to book a good card along the way. A series of bad matches lead to a battle royal, all of which are part of one of the worst drawing PPVs in history and one of WCW's low points from a creative aspect.

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With the company in free fall, WCW turns to Ric Flair to save the day as he clashes with the monstrous Vader, Sting and Hawk battle the Nasty Boyz in a 30 minute match full of botchamania moments, The Boss lays down the law on Rick Rude, Ricky Steamboat attempts to out grapple Lord Steven Regal, Dustin Rhodes scuffles with Steve Austin, The Shockmaster stinks up the joint with Awesome Kong...plus other action!

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The 26th Clash special sees Sting and Ric Flair team up to battle Rick Rude and Vader, Cactus Jack and Maxx Payne brawl with the Nasty Boys, Dustin Rhodes grapples with Steven Regal, Brian Pillman batters Col. Parker and more!!

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wcw-superbrawl-94/#.VXLIS89Viko Dual Thundercage matches headline as Ric Flair collides with Vader, Sting,Dustin Rhodes and Brian Pillman brawl with Rick Rude, Steve Austin and Mr. Wonderful, The Nasty Boyz try to eviscerate Cactus Jack and Maxx Payne, Arn Anderson faces Lord Steven Regal in a marathon of a match, along with an embarrassingly bad undercard full of roided up rookies.

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Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat try and capture magic in a bottle one more time as they collide for the World title, Cactus Jack and Maxx Payne brawl with the Nasty Boyz in one of WCW's most violent matches ever, Lord Regal tries to ground Flyin' Bryan, Muta tries to out wrestle Steve Austin, Dustin Rhodes and Bunkhouse Buck bleed all over the place, Rick Rude and Sting meet in their final PPV encounter and Vader collides with the Boss! One of the best WCW PPVs ever!

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Watched a few episodes of WCW Pro, Power Hour, Main Event, World Wide & SN from 04/92. WCW didn't do a great job promoting Wrestle War 92 but they did air some quality matches on basic cable. I wonder how it hurt their PPV business showing so many high caliber matches so often?

Whose terrible idea was it to switch Saturday night to that studio interview format? I've always been a fan of multiple fall matches but having a weekly 2 out of 3 falls match just to have it kind of took the spectacle out of it for me.

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Up to Beach Blast 92 with my WCW viewing and it's getting real messy. Watts was recently introduced and instituted new rules (no top rope moves, over the top is a DQ and removal of the mats around the ring)The announcers are trying to promote Beach Blast & the Clash two days later featuring the NWA tag tournament and everything seems rushed.

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I think through the summer of '92, Jim Ross was hyping names like Ric Flair, Bret Hart, and Ted DiBiase regarding possible returns/debuts for WCW. That Clash special featuring the NWA Tag Title Tournament was booked really bad as it was all tag team matches, the only one standing out was the Pillman/Liger v. Benoit/Wellington, and a Sting/Vader promo. Oh, and The Steiners v. Williams/Gordy in an unannounced main event at the last minute.

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Watts really messed up a good thing. I know I'll still run across a lot of good matches & I've always been a fan of Dr Death and Gordy but the lightweight division is being killed off before it could even get some good traction which is to bad considering that Benoit, RVD & Scorpio would turn up in WCW in 93

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I agree. There are some good matches and angles in WCW'92, but once Watts came-in and cut costs and hired guys like Tony Atlas and Barbarian, and put his son over Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton, it was like a huge step backwards as competing with WWE, which wasn't doing much better but still had two big shows with WrestleMania 8 and Summerslam that drew big as compared to WCW's non-drawing events.

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Super Snott wrote: I think through the summer of '92, Jim Ross was hyping names like Ric Flair, Bret Hart, and Ted DiBiase regarding possible returns/debuts for WCW. That Clash special featuring the NWA Tag Title Tournament was booked really bad as it was all tag team matches, the only one standing out was the Pillman/Liger v. Benoit/Wellington, and a Sting/Vader promo. Oh, and The Steiners v. Williams/Gordy in an unannounced main event at the last minute.
I looked forward to that show so badly just to see the outside talent, but I don't remember it living up to my expectations.  Was the tag match a draw at the end? I should re-watch that show soon.

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Blazer wrote: Super Snott wrote: I think through the summer of '92, Jim Ross was hyping names like Ric Flair, Bret Hart, and Ted DiBiase regarding possible returns/debuts for WCW. That Clash special featuring the NWA Tag Title Tournament was booked really bad as it was all tag team matches, the only one standing out was the Pillman/Liger v. Benoit/Wellington, and a Sting/Vader promo. Oh, and The Steiners v. Williams/Gordy in an unannounced main event at the last minute.
I looked forward to that show so badly just to see the outside talent, but I don't remember it living up to my expectations.  Was the tag match a draw at the end? I should re-watch that show soon.

Gordy and Williams went over, as they did in virtually every major encounter in that feud.

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Mid South wrestling from 84-86, assorted TV shows. Saw the same angle ran twice with a special referee turning in a tag title cage match. Both matches feature Dr.Death and Ted DiBiase as tag Champs. The first one was against Hector and Chavo Guerrero with Al Madril turning on the Guerreros. Second match was the I'm forgetting the faces but the referee was Bob Sweetan. Not sure how far apart these were but it is in a 3 year span. I bet anytime a special ref was appointed the fans were skeptical of their intentions.

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Still going thru 1992 WCW TV, Almost to the Great American Bash. The man love that Watts & Ross have for Doc & Gordy is a little to strong

Did New Japan have an issues with the Steiner's jobbing to Doc & Gordy?

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Franchise wrote: Watched a few episodes of WCW Pro, Power Hour, Main Event, World Wide & SN from 04/92. WCW didn't do a great job promoting Wrestle War 92 but they did air some quality matches on basic cable. I wonder how it hurt their PPV business showing so many high caliber matches so often?

Whose terrible idea was it to switch Saturday night to that studio interview format? I've always been a fan of multiple fall matches but having a weekly 2 out of 3 falls match just to have it kind of took the spectacle out of it for me.


It was Kip Frey's idea to change Saturday night to the talk show format, probably the biggest blunder of his otherwise stellar 6 months in charge.  It was a format that should have been saved for syndication or maybe the Saturday morning Power Hour show, but not for the flagship broadcast of the promotion. 

But you're right, they were giving away a lot of good matches on TV, mostly involving the Dangerous Alliance vs. any combination of Steamboat, Windham, and Rhodes. 

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Didn't they air a main event of Rick Rude and Cactus Jack vs. Sting and Ricky Steamboat around that time? I know there was a Van Hammer/Jack match where Foley took a suplex on the floor then too.

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Power Hour - 8/15/92:


featured Ricky Steamboat & Barry Windham vs WCW TV Champion Steve Austin & Cactus Jack match from the 7/11/92 episode of Worldwide

This is the closest I recall seeing but I could be wrong. I fall asleep sometimes when I watch

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Did Ross get a bonus from Watts for every time he said "Hook'em up!"?

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Up to the 07/11/92 episode of Saturday night. The show opened with Ross & Watts announcing that 2 titles changed hands last Sunday @ the Omni (Tag & Light Heavy). I'm a little surprised they jobbed out the Steiner's that fast and did it on a non televised house show that according to the history of WWE website only had 2,500 people in attendance.

On the 07/04/92 episode of SN Watts announced the killing of the US Tag title @ the end of July due to wanting to focus on the WCW & NWA world tag titles.

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The US Tag belts were garbage at that point anyway, being held by Dick Slater and Greg Valentine or the team of Firebreaker Chip and Todd Champion.

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I will agree that the final few US Tag champions weren't stellar

Big Josh / Ron Simmons

Greg Valentine / Terry Taylor (I actually enjoyed watching this team)

Freebirds

Slater & the Barbarian (Won them after Watts announced the belts were being retired @ the end of July)

But the reasoning that Watts gave was lame "So the focus could be on the WCW & NWA world tag titles" because the WCW & NWA tag titles were always held by the same team. it wasn't like you had 2 separate teams defending 2 different world titles. I always thought having a secondary tag title added a little more interest to the tag division.

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Franchise wrote: I will agree that the final few US Tag champions weren't stellar

Big Josh / Ron Simmons

Greg Valentine / Terry Taylor (I actually enjoyed watching this team)

Freebirds

Slater & the Barbarian (Won them after Watts announced the belts were being retired @ the end of July)

But the reasoning that Watts gave was lame "So the focus could be on the WCW & NWA world tag titles" because the WCW & NWA tag titles were always held by the same team. it wasn't like you had 2 separate teams defending 2 different world titles. I always thought having a secondary tag title added a little more interest to the tag division.

 

It was a neat title for teams like The Midnight Express and The Fantastics. Surprised they didn't give a short reign to Ricky and Robert in '90 when they were back briefly.

I think Bill Watts did more harm than good in WCW as he cut costs and got rid of the higher paying guys who were at least over like Luger and The Steiners in favor of cheaper guys like Tony Atlas.

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The first WCW megacard with Hulk Hogan under contract. Can you guess who gets all the hype in between Sting battling Flair, Cactus Jack and Kevin Sullivan brawling with the Nasty Boyz, Steve Austin grappling with Johnny B Badd, Lord Steven Regal testing the mettle of The Living Legend plus more action. Some interesting WCW backstage notes from the period are covered as well!

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4/13/96 WWF Superstars
Henry & Phinneas Godwinn (w/ Hillbilly Jim) defeated Mike Starr & Larry Sampson after Henry hit the Slop Drop
Mankind defeated Jason Castro via submission with the Mandible Claw
Marc Mero pinned Adam Grove with a legdrop over the top into the ring
Justin Bradshaw (w/ Uncle Zebakiah) pinned Dave Starr with the lariat
The Caribbean Kid pinned Steve Austin (w/ Ted Dibiase) with a small package; after the bout, the Caribbean Kid unmasked himself as Savio Vega (Austin's first TV loss)
 
Probably the best Vega match I have seen

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WrestleWar 1989
"Music City Showdown"
May 7, 1989 in Nashville, TN
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Shown live on PPV (1.3)
  1. The Great Muta pinned Doug Gilbert (3:03).

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  3. utch Reed pinned Ranger Ross (6:59).

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  5. ick Murdoch pinned Bob Orton (4:54) in a "bullrope" match.

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  7. hane Douglas & Johnny Ace beat The Samoan Swat Team (11:02) when Douglas pinned Fatu.

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  9. ichael Hayes pinned Lex Luger (16:06) to win the NWA US Title.

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  11. WA TV Champ Sting pinned The Iron Sheik (2:12).

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  13. ic Flair pinned Ricky Steamboat (31:37) to win the NWA World Title. Terry Funk, Pat O'Conner, and Lou Thesz were the judges.

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  15. he Road Warriors beat NWA Tag Champs Mike Rotunda & Steve Williams (6:06) via DQ. Nikita Koloff was the special referee.

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  17. WA US Tag Champs Eddie Gilbert & Rick Steiner beat Kevin Sullivan & Danny Spivey (6:41) when Gilbert pinned Sullivan.
What was the point of having the US tag title match end the show? I can understand the Warriors ending the show because they were a special attraction type team but none of the 4 guys in the US tag title match really meant much @ that time or in some cases ever.

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Memory is a little fuzzy on this, but remember this was still in the "early days" of PPV for WCW. I think they put Steamboat/Flair on a couple of matches early in case it ran long, then they ran the World Tag match and the US Tag Title was a standby match. At the end of the PPV, they ended up having extra time, so I believe they went back and re-ran the end of Flair/Steamboat and the entire Funk/Flair/table angle in its entirety, and then they came back to Ross who closed out the program. This was what happened, based on my fuzzy memory, on the original PPV. Did you watch the Network version or the VHS? It may have been edited out.

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Hulk Hogan debuts to save WCW from the wrath of good workrate as he battles Ric Flair in the Match of the Century! The Dragon collides with Stunning Steve, Cactus Jack and Kevin Sullivan take on a Pretty Wonderful tag team, Lord Regal grapples with Johnny B Badd, Dustin Rhodes continues his war with the Studd Stable - this time taking Arn Anderson on as a partner, Vader tries to bully the Guardian Angel and more!!

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A huge Clash Special sees Hulk Hogan defend his crown against former champ Ric Flair, Antonio Inoki makes a special appearance to grapple with Lord Steven Regal, Dusty Rhodes returns to the ring to team with his son to battle the Studd Stable, Ricky Steamboat has one last great match with Steve Austin and the Nasty Boyz brawl with Paul Roma and Paul Orndorff.

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Watching the G1 climax day 5. Sick hardway cut on Toru Yano when Tenzan dives of the top rope and headbuts him. At least a 3 inch gash, with Tenzan himself ending up about a 1 inch gash. They went to the finish almost immediately.




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Hulk Hogan debuts to save WCW from the wrath of good workrate as he battles Ric Flair in the Match of the Century! The Dragon collides with Stunning Steve, Cactus Jack and Kevin Sullivan take on a Pretty Wonderful tag team, Lord Regal grapples with Johnny B Badd, Dustin Rhodes continues his war with the Studd Stable - this time taking Arn Anderson on as a partner, Vader tries to bully the Guardian Angel and more!!

As I was reading this recap, the name of the national anthem singer, Daron Norwood, struck me as familiar. An internet search revealed why. He died less than a week ago. In the mid 1990s he rode the country music wave started by Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson, and others to some minor hits, but never really broke through. He later had trouble with alcoholism and quit the music business, thinking he wouldn't be able to recover living that life. The cause of his death hasn't been revealed, but the safe bet is suicide or an alcohol related cause.

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WAR GAMES sees Dusty and Dustin Rhodes team with the Nasty Boyz to battle the Studd Stable, Sting and Vader have yet another PPV battle, Steve Austin wrestles Ricky The Dragon...or does he?...Kevin Sullivan brawls with Cactus Jack, Johnny B Badd attempts to out grapple Lord Steven Regal, and more!

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Hogan battles Ric Flair in a *snicker* career vs. career match, The Big Bubba Bossman collides with Vader, The Honky Tonk Man stinks out the joint with Johnny B Badd, Steve Austin slums with Hacksaw Duggan, The Nasty Boyz brawl with the Studd Stable, Arn Anderson fights Dustin Rhodes, Dave and Kevin Sullivan try to redefine WRESTLECRAP and more!

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The downward spiral of WCW workrate rears it's head as Hulk Hogan, Sting and Dave Sullivan team up to battle The Butcher, Avalanche and Kevin Sullivan, The Honky Tonk Man stinks out the joint against Johnny B Badd, The Nasty Boyz have a sloppy brawl with Harlem Heat, Hacksaw Duggan works with an injured Steve Austin, Dustin Rhodes tries to save the show by colliding with Vader along with other action.

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An absolutely brutal card sees Hulk Hogan battle "The Butcher" in the headline act of the biggest show of the year, Sting collides with the massive Avalanche, Hacksaw Duggan brawls with Vader, Mr. T "wrestles" with Kevin Sullivan, The Nasty Boyz have a stinker with Harlem Heat, Johnny B Badd tries to shine against Arn Anderson, and Alex Wright grapples with Jean Paul Levesque...

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The MegaPowers headline against the dastardly duo of Kevin Sullivan and The Butcher, Sting squares off with the massive Avalanche, Harlem Heat defends their gold in a bout with Stars and Stripes, Alex Wright tries to go sky high with Bobby Eaton and Arn Anderson battles Johnny B Badd - plus all sorts of backstage news and notes from the era!

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In the annuals of bad PPVs, this one is certainly under rated... Hogan vs. Vader headlines with Macho Man and Sting faces Avalanche and Big Bubba in the co-main event. Before that you have to survive through Hacksaw Duggan vs Bunkhouse Buck, Dave Sullivan vs. Kevin Sullivan, a listless Harlem Heat/Nasty Boys encounter, Paul Roma facing Alex Wright and Dustin Rhodes butting heads with the Blacktop Bully. This PPV also featured the first event Bobby Heenan was ever audibly hammered during...so uh...there's that....

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WCW throws together the biggest tag team war they possibly could as the MegaPowers team up to battle Ric Flair and Vader! Sting and Big Bubba settle things once and for all in a "Lights Out" match, Road Warrior Hawk brawls with THE MONSTER MENG, Alex Wright grapples with Arn Anderson, Great Muta tries to fly against Paul Orndorff, Dick Murdoch breaks out the Ben Gay for a match with Wahoo McDaniel, Kevin Sullivan has a terrible battle with THE MAN WITH NO FACE, Harlem Heat collide with the Nasty Boys and we start with tons of notes from behind the scenes of WCW for the spring of 95!!!

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Randy Savage and Ric Flair explode over personal issues in a heated main event, Sting attempts to conquer the MONSTAH MENG, The Nasty Boys engage in uncivil war with the Blue Bloods, Arn Anderson attempts to make the Renegade look good, Harlem Heat brawl with the Studd Stable, Hacksaw grapples with Craig Pittman, DDP arm wrestles with Dave Sullivan, and Alex Wright flies with Brian Pillman!

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Watched Summerslam '92 last night. I find most matches don't hold up over time, but I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the Bret vs. Davey Boy match. The pageantry of the buildup was outstanding, it was a great story, but most importantly the work in the ring was hard-hitting and believable. There were plenty of near-falls, but it wasn't comical. It was a great, great, great match. These are the kind of matches that make you happy that dvds exist. Just an excellent match. Easily in my top ten of all-time.

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Another brutal WCW PPV sees Hogan and Vader settle their feud in a steel cage match, Macho Man tries to get even with the Nature Boy, The Nasty Boys - Harlem Heat and Blue Bloods collide, Dave Sullivan stinks things out with DDP, Hacksaw Jim Duggan faces Kamala in a catch as catch can classic, Renegade stumbles through a match with Mr. Wonderful and Sting collides with Meng.

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Hulk Hogan enters the Dungeon of Doom for some quality Wrestlecrap, Vader battles Arn Anderson and Ric Flair in a handi-cap match, Mixed tag action with Col Parker and the Studd Stable facing off with Sister Sherri and Harlem Heat, The Renegade tries not to embarrass himself against Mr. Wonderful, DDP tries to down Alex Wright and Hawk and Sting have a stinker against Meng and Kurasawa. Plus a hilarious Macho Man segment that may be the high light of the whole show. 

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Hulk Hogan enters the Dungeon of Doom for some quality Wrestlecrap, Vader battles Arn Anderson and Ric Flair in a handi-cap match, Mixed tag action with Col Parker and the Studd Stable facing off with Sister Sherri and Harlem Heat, The Renegade tries not to embarrass himself against Mr. Wonderful, DDP tries to down Alex Wright and Hawk and Sting have a stinker against Meng and Kurasawa. Plus a hilarious Macho Man segment that may be the high light of the whole show. 

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The stuff with Ric Flair and Arn Anderson on Clash of the Champions 31 reminded me that when their split began, Flair seemed clearly positioned as the heel and Arn as the babyface. Eventually, due to fans rooting for Flair anyway, they did a double turn with Arn being the heel for using Brian Pillman as back up. That of course led to Flair teaming with and then turning on Sting.

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On the verge of the nWo takeover, WCW presents a card full of random tag team turmoil. Macho Man is forced to team with Ric Flair, The Steiners and Road Warriors collide and much more!

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One of WCW's best efforts on PPV sees Lex Luger colliding with the Giant, A fantastic Kevin Greene and Mongo McMichael vs. Arn Anderson and Ric Flair special attraction, Sting grappling with Lord Steven Regal, a hard hitting Steiners vs. Scott Norton and Ice Train tag match, Chris Beniot and Kevin Sullivan brawling all over the building, Big Bubba butting heads with John Tenta and Rey Jr tangling with Dean Malenko! Plus some intriguing backstage news from the dirtsheets of the era.

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Been watching episodes of WCW Main Event from 94 post format change. Bobby & Gene are very entertaining as expected and the collection of matches from the various shows is actually very enjoyable.

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The NWO storyline kicks into high gear as Hall and Nash reveal Hulk Hogan as their mystery partner in a clash with Lex Luger, Sting and Randy Savage, Chris Benoit and Kevin Sullivan brawl all over the arena again despite having Arn Anderson and the Giant in their respective corners, Rey Jr and Psychosis have a Match of the Year candidate, Big Bubba and John Tenta show off wrestling psychology 101, Ric Flair has a stinker with Konnan, The Nasties and Public Enemy have yet another brawl, Dean Malenko is wasting in a match with Disco Inferno, plus garbage from Hacksaw Duggan and Mongo! Some intriguing backstage news is included as well including Dr. Death almost going to the UFC, Vader breaking script in a match with the Ultimate Warrior, the WWF's suing WCW in order to make them break kayfabe and how the NWO angle was nearly ruined before it could barely start.

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Watched Royal Rumble '89 last night and tonight. Don't ask me why. The undercard was brutal, but that actual Rumble match was fun and extremely well booked. I tried to memorize the order of elimination as the match progressed and was able to, just to keep it even more interesting.

1. Smash
2. Garvin
3. Ax
4. Jake Roberts
5. Andre
6. Honky Tonk
7. Bass
8. Valentine
9. Michaels
10. Jannetty
11. Perfect
12. Santana
13. Butch
14. Koko
15. Luke
16. Blanchard
17. Anderson
18. Warlord
19. Bad News
20. Macho
21. Hulk
22. Bossman
23. Rooster
24. Hercules
25. Beefcake
26. Barbarian
27. Martel
28. Akeem
29. DiBiase
30- Studd (Winner)

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Watched the first half of Starrcade '88 last night.

Williams/Sullivan d. The Fantastics for the US Tag titles.

Midnight Express d. Original Midnights (these guys were awful)

Russian Assasins d. JYD and Ivan Koloff (brutal)

Rick Steiner d. Rotundo for the TV title (fun match, great ending)

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To be honest, I can't remember a time in my 37 years as a pro wrestling nut that my DIS-interest in the business has been this low as it has been since right after last year's Wrestlemania.

I at least followed what was going on behind the scenes at different lulls in my fandom throughout the years, but I literally have ZERO interest in anything pro wrestling wise nowadays....& that includes New Japan. The McMahon family has literally killed my interest in anything wrestling wise....I don't even have the desire to watch my old Brody in
New Japan from 1985 collection anymore....I at least watched that set twice a year. No YouTube....Nothing. Last night was the first in months where I watched anything....A few excerpts of a Kanyon shoot, a Raven/Sinister Minister shoot, a Cornette word association shoot, & a couple Russo videos of him ranting on anything & everything.


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I find that fascinating.  I can completely remove myself from the current state of the business and enjoy dvds.  To me, it's like the two entities live in different dimensions or universes.  I can enjoy an old show from 30 years ago irrespective of the current dredge that is being offered as "wrestling".  I probably stopped watching sometime around 2001/2002 seriously.  I've come back for cups of coffee (Flair's retirement, Bret Hart's return), but I don't watch regularly anymore.  Hell, when Piper's dvd set came out 10 years ago, they devoted almost the entire 3rd disc to a bunch of his Pit segments from Smackdown in 2003.  I never saw those when they aired live, and I missed the whole Mr. America angle.  I digress.  I can still watch and enjoy an old Starrcade for what it is.  That era still exists in a different world.  Starting to sound like the "its still real to me" guy :)

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WCW join "250,000" fans at a biker rally to watch the Giant plod along with Hulk Hogan, Sting and Lex Luger defend WCW's honor against Hall and Nash, Rey Jr flies with the Ultimo Dragon, Ric Flair tangles with Eddy Guerrero, Harlem Heat battle the Steiners as the crowd mimics a KKK rally, Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko put on a near classic, plus more backstage notes on all of WCW's foibles.

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Finished Starrcade '88 last night. The last three matches were a bit of a letdown. Windham/Bigelow was interesting. Lots of face cheers for Windham. It was like two different matches. Bigelow dominated the first half and picked Windham up after he had him pinned, then Windham took over and dominated the second half. Match ended with a countout victory for Windham.

Roadies vs. Sting/Dusty ended in a DQ win for the faces.

Luger/Flair was decent, but didn't quite live up to the match they would have two years later at the Fall 1990 Clash. I've never seen Bash '88, so I can't compare it.

Altogether, fun show, and it worked out nicely as I'm just finishing my World Wide '88 set, so I watched this in chronological order.

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Blazer wrote: I find that fascinating.  I can completely remove myself from the current state of the business and enjoy dvds.  To me, it's like the two entities live in different dimensions or universes.  I can enjoy an old show from 30 years ago irrespective of the current dredge that is being offered as "wrestling".  I probably stopped watching sometime around 2001/2002 seriously.  I've come back for cups of coffee (Flair's retirement, Bret Hart's return), but I don't watch regularly anymore.  Hell, when Piper's dvd set came out 10 years ago, they devoted almost the entire 3rd disc to a bunch of his Pit segments from Smackdown in 2003.  I never saw those when they aired live, and I missed the whole Mr. America angle.  I digress.  I can still watch and enjoy an old Starrcade for what it is.  That era still exists in a different world.  Starting to sound like the "its still real to me" guy :)
I actually look at it this way too.  I'm working my way through the old Prime Times.

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Watched the 1973 Oakland A's World Series video tonight. 40 minutes of greatness hosted by Curt Gowdy. Reggie was on fire. Broken down Willie Mays in his final games. Seaver was untouchable in his first start and then pedestrian in his next. Lots of great uniforms, classic Yogi Berra pissed at the umps, back when fans would storm the field and try to kill their own players after the clincher, all brought to you by....Coca Cola!

Love these old WS films. I collect the A&E film sets on dvds (not the complete games, but just the summary films). A great blast from the past.

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I have no interest in the current product and I have not bought a PPV since the 90's. Just been watching old school stuff on Youtube. Lately its been Florida 1982 to 1984 and World Class from 1982 to 1984. Great stuff. I wasn't able to watch any of that when I was a kid because it did not air where I lived. U care about most of the wrestlers. No scripted interviews. The crowds are so into it especially in World Class. its crazy. Audience's for wrestling don't exist like that anymore. Now the crowd's just sit there and I don't blame them considering what is presented to them but its also because the mystery is gone. Everythings been revealed. the "magic" is gone.

I noticed that after David Von Erich passed away something was missing from World Class though. u see it when u watch the episodes. I agree with the interviews with the people that were there that he was special. he wasn't muscle bound like his brothers but he gave good interviews and wrestled better than them and had more personality than them. and was involved in the creative end of it too. and even was not a hardcore drug user like them. Its a shame what happened to him. u can tell he was headed for big things.

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Popped in Royal Rumble 1990 late last night after the family was asleep. Watched the first three matches: Rougeaus jobbed to the Bushwhackers, Beefcake and Poffo were Double DQ'd after a ref bump, haircut and Perfect interference, and Ronnie Garvin and Greg Valentine fought in an I-Quit match.

Ok, I've probably watched this once since it originally aired, if that. I know I ordered it live on PPV in high school and taped it, but I may have never re-watched it. I know I haven't watched the Garvin/Valentine match in 25 years. It was really, really good. I can't believe what a gem of a match this is. If you haven't seen this in years, look it up and watch it. Great little story, both guys beat the living shit out of each other with chops, there's a great little comedy spot in the middle that I won't spoil, great psychology, just a damn nice surprising match and probably the last great match of both guys' career. Definitely worth your time to check this out.

The other thing I looked up last night before bed was the Rougeaus PPV history, because I could swear they lost to the Bushwhackers at Mania V also, which they did. They also lost to them on SNME and at Survivor Seriess '89. Not sure why they couldn't get a win back, but it was odd. The Bushwhackers were insanely over, like crazy over. I'll never understand that one.

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The only thing I watch regularly are NJPW on AXS TV ( every week), ROH ( I record every week, but it depends on the matches). I use to tape RAW every week without fail, until around 2 years ago. I haven't seen RAW in around 2 months and I don't even record it on a regular basis anymore.

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The older Royal Rumbles were good for those "surprise" entries.

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Survivor Series 91, I actually enjoyed watching.

Highlights of the snake bite, Hogan loses to Taker, Flair all over the show.

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Just finished watching Royal Rumble '90 tonight (the Duggan/Bossman match and then the Rumble match itself). Decent match again...some hot little segments towards the beginning. Patterson did a great job laying out these early rumbles. I read recently that Perfect was originally booked to win this, which pisses me off to no end. There was no need to give Hogan this win and the next year also.

Anyway, for shits and giggles, I tried to memorize the order of elimination again through the match:

1. Koko
2. Jannetty
3. Snake Roberts
4. Macho
5. Warlord
6. Bad News
7. Piper
8. Rooster
9. Andre
10. Bret Hart
11. Akeem
12. Dusty
13. Ax
14. "Canadian" Earthquake
15. Bravo
16. Smash
17. Neidhart
18. DiBiase (lasted the longest, drew #1)
19. Snuka
20. Haku
21. Santana
22. HonkyTonk
23. Michaels (in there for about 20 seconds)
24. Martel
25. Warrior
26. Barbarian
27. Hercules
28. Rude
29. Perfect
Your Winner: The Hulkster

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Blazer wrote: Ronnie Garvin and Greg Valentine fought in an I-Quit match.

Ok, I've probably watched this once since it originally aired, if that. I know I ordered it live on PPV in high school and taped it, but I may have never re-watched it. I know I haven't watched the Garvin/Valentine match in 25 years. It was really, really good. I can't believe what a gem of a match this is. If you haven't seen this in years, look it up and watch it. Great little story, both guys beat the living shit out of each other with chops, there's a great little comedy spot in the middle that I won't spoil, great psychology, just a damn nice surprising match and probably the last great match of both guys' career. Definitely worth your time to check this out.

I watched this match recently and you're right, this one was very good.  I feel like this is up there with some of the best Valentine/Tito matches.

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3-30-84 Mid South on the Network!

This is all about heating up the Midnight Express vs Watts angle. We get lots of clips covering Watts/Corny's attacks on one another, Watts searching for a suspended JYD to use as a partner, and promos to set up the matches.

Mr. Wrestling 2 vs Mike Jackson - II looks OLD. Jackson was a world class jobber but he gets replaced by Magnum TA who tries to force himself into a match with his former mentor. II tries to talk his way out of it, then just walks off.

Hacksaw Duggan vs. Nikolai Volkoff - We see clips of Volkoff and Krusher Darsow trying to maul Duggan. The Rock and Roll Express and Terry Taylor make the save! Match only goes a minute before a Masked Commie and Krusher charge the ring. Taylor and the Express make the save again. Butch Reed comes down to mess with the babyfaces too.

Terry Taylor vs. "Hacksaw" Butch Reed- Reed got posted in the last segment and is injured. The Ref is future WCW ref Pee-Wee Anderson! Reed wants the match postponed since this is part of the TV tourney. Reed hits Taylor with a coal miner glove. Jim Ross sells each blow like it's a hammer being used. The Rock and Rolls make the save again.

Larry Santana vs. Masa Ito - The fans mock Ito by bowing at him. A fan has a Dr. X shirt on. What the HELL? That was an AWA gimmick for Dick "The Destroyer" Beyer 15 years before this aired. Match is a quick squash.

JR wraps things up.

Fast and fun 40 mins.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: 3-30-84 Mid South on the Network!

This is all about heating up the Midnight Express vs Watts angle. We get lots of clips covering Watts/Corny's attacks on one another, Watts searching for a suspended JYD to use as a partner, and promos to set up the matches.

Mr. Wrestling 2 vs Mike Jackson - II looks OLD. Jackson was a world class jobber but he gets replaced by Magnum TA who tries to force himself into a match with his former mentor. II tries to talk his way out of it, then just walks off.

Hacksaw Duggan vs. Nikolai Volkoff - We see clips of Volkoff and Krusher Darsow trying to maul Duggan. The Rock and Roll Express and Terry Taylor make the save! Match only goes a minute before a Masked Commie and Krusher charge the ring. Taylor and the Express make the save again. Butch Reed comes down to mess with the babyfaces too.

Terry Taylor vs. "Hacksaw" Butch Reed- Reed got posted in the last segment and is injured. The Ref is future WCW ref Pee-Wee Anderson! Reed wants the match postponed since this is part of the TV tourney. Reed hits Taylor with a coal miner glove. Jim Ross sells each blow like it's a hammer being used. The Rock and Rolls make the save again.

Larry Santana vs. Masa Ito - The fans mock Ito by bowing at him. A fan has a Dr. X shirt on. What the HELL? That was an AWA gimmick for Dick "The Destroyer" Beyer 15 years before this aired. Match is a quick squash.

JR wraps things up.

Fast and fun 40 mins.

Just watched this.  Pretty good show.

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Clash 33 or more appropriately a glorified Nitro sees Hulk Hogan try and figure out how to play heel against Ric Flair, Rey Jr and Dean Malenko continue their excellent series, DDP tries to ground Eddie Guerrero, The Steiners collide with Harlem Heat and Sting/Lex Luger, plus Chris Benoit tries to match up with the Giant. Also included is some news and notes from the time period including the WWF's plan to start running weekly PPVs.

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Jan. 88 AWA on the Network

Alan West is listed as the 5th most popular AWA star. WOW.

Wahoo claims he recently won a million dollars in a battle royal. Billy Jack Strong is teased to be his new protege.

Kevin Kelly/Kelly Kiniski in a squash match. Nothing wrong with the match but the announcers have nothing to build on storyline wise, which doesn't help the pair out since they are pretty bland.

Ustinov works a squash and no potential opponents are even mentioned to perhaps defend America. These matches taking place in vacuum really hurt the viewers investment in these matches. The Showboat seems fairly full, which makes the total collapse of the promotion over the next few months even more unsettling.

They finish with a lengthy and entertaining Rockers vs Midnight Express match.

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Blazer wrote: Just finished watching Royal Rumble '90 tonight (the Duggan/Bossman match and then the Rumble match itself). Decent match again...some hot little segments towards the beginning. Patterson did a great job laying out these early rumbles. I read recently that Perfect was originally booked to win this, which pisses me off to no end. There was no need to give Hogan this win and the next year also.


Considering who won WM6, I'd have gone with Rude to add a bit more heat to Warrior/Rude for Summerslam. 

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: Jan. 88 AWA on the Network

Alan West is listed as the 5th most popular AWA star. WOW.

Wahoo claims he recently won a million dollars in a battle royal. Billy Jack Strong is teased to be his new protege.

Kevin Kelly/Kelly Kiniski in a squash match. Nothing wrong with the match but the announcers have nothing to build on storyline wise, which doesn't help the pair out since they are pretty bland.

Ustinov works a squash and no potential opponents are even mentioned to perhaps defend America. These matches taking place in vacuum really hurt the viewers investment in these matches. The Showboat seems fairly full, which makes the total collapse of the promotion over the next few months even more unsettling.

They finish with a lengthy and entertaining Rockers vs Midnight Express match.

As was noted, Kevin Kelly teamed with Nick Kiniski. They had a good look and Kelly actually had a decent heel charisma when they let him talk, but both guys walked over money before their Midnight Rockers feud got off the ground in early 1988.

Alan West was one of many babyfaces the AWA seemed to want to turn into its version of Magnum TA or a pre heel turn Barry Windham in this era. Besides West, DJ Peterson, Tommy Jammer, Tom Zenk, and post Badd Company Paul Diamond all got this treatment. None of them got over and if they had the qualities necessary to become the star the AWA wanted each to be, they'd have been in the WWF or JCP/WCW anyway.

Every fall in the 1980s, the AWA had battle royals at the house shows and they drew big. Realizing something more was needed, they became street fight battle royals in 1987. The AWA ran one of them at its October 1987 taping in Las Vegas. The match never aired, but a fantastic video recap set to Ted Nugent's "Free For All" with Meat Loaf on vocals was shown on TV. I can't say enough about that video. The editing was great and made it look like a match of the year contender with lots of blood and brawling. The billed prize was $1,000,000 which sounds ridiculous now and was a bit in 1987 too, but fans back then didn't question that sort of thing as much. Wahoo McDaniel won and was even given one of those giant cardboard checks like you see lottery winners or Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes winners receive. It should have aired in full on TV, but didn't. It's probably in the WWE archive somewhere.

Stuff like Soldat Ustinov having a lengthy match to fill time minus an angle was the sort of thing about the AWA at this time that drove me nuts. As you said, why not promote a pro USA wrestler as a foe or run some sort of angle?

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tamalie wrote: Alan West was one of many babyfaces the AWA seemed to want to turn into its version of Magnum TA or a pre heel turn Barry Windham in this era. Besides West, DJ Peterson, Tommy Jammer, Tom Zenk, and post Badd Company Paul Diamond all got this treatment. None of them got over and if they had the qualities necessary to become the star the AWA wanted each to be, they'd have been in the WWF or JCP/WCW anyway.



It was the sort of collection that, given time and a slower build, might have worked if they were able to concentrate on one or possibly two guys in that manner. By then, Verne and co were throwing darts trying tomake something stick, so guys were getting rushed into roles they were not ready for. Zenk MIGHT have been the exception, but would still have benefitted from a slow build. But, there was not time for that in the AWA by then.

tamalie wrote:The match never aired, but a fantastic video recap set to Ted Nugent's "Free For All" with Meat Loaf on vocals was shown on TV. I can't say enough about that video. The editing was great and made it look like a match of the year contender with lots of blood and brawling.

THIS. One of my favourite videos ever, from any area. Fantastically made and it made you actually say "Wow, I'd love to see one of those matches" after you saw it.

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Fall Brawl sees a really fun WCW vs nWo War Games, Jericho and Benoit tearing one another apart, Macho Man trying to size up a Giant, plus other cruiserweight action, Ice Train and Scott Norton in a submission bout, backstage news including WWF stars who almost jumped to WCW, Ric Flair almost jumping to McMahonland, Hogan politicking and more!

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Continuing on through my Royal Rumble Anthology Set #1.  Finishing the Rumble '91 disc tonight.  

Tried again to memorize the order of elimination.  Let's see if I can recall without cheating:
1. Bravo
2. Saba Simba
3. Roma
4. Bret Hart
5. Butch
6. Snake
7. Von Erich
8. Snuka
9. Taker (eliminated by LOD double clothesline)
10. Hawk
11. Animal
12. Duggan
13. Smash
14. Valentine
15. Santana
16. Luke (in one side of the ring, out the other)
17. Hercules
18. Crush
19. Warlord
20. Shane Douglas (long time)
21. Tugboat
22. Perfect
23. Anvil
24. Haku
25. Martel (53 min)
26. Bulldog
27. Knobbs
28. Earthquake
29. Hogan (winner)

(Macho Man was chased off earlier by Warrior and didn't come out when he was called).


Why was Sags not in the Rumble?

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From what it looks like, Honky Tonk quit/was fired whatever, which put Knobbs in his place.

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Good call. Kinda interesting that Knobbs and Sags would go on to win the tag belts two months later, but they weren't important enough to wrestle on this show, at least to be scheduled to.

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Saba Simba, one of many racist Vince creations and IMO like many other wrestlers coming back to WWE after a previous run a way to tell a guy from the outset you aren't going to do anything this time around.

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9/88 Philly Spectrum & Boston Gardens shows. Ebner did a good job of taking the DQ bump from Bret.

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Did that air on 24/7 or is it a copy of the original Prism show? I think DJ Peterson of AWA fame wrestled on that Phily card.

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It was the 24/7 version, Peterson lost to Horowitz and trongard filled in for gorilla

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Saba Simba, one of many racist Vince creations and IMO like many other wrestlers coming back to WWE after a previous run a way to tell a guy from the outset you aren't going to do anything this time around.
Tony needed money and Vince booked him as a favor. No push was ever planned and I guess Vince just wanted to add some color to Atlas' act.

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Blazer wrote: Good call. Kinda interesting that Knobbs and Sags would go on to win the tag belts two months later, but they weren't important enough to wrestle on this show, at least to be scheduled to.
The Nasty Boys debuted on WWF only three weeks before the Royal Rumble, at which time the card was already set and being hyped. Their TV debut was the weekend of December 29-30, 1990 and the Rumble took place January 21, 1991. They were working WCW cards as late as the first week of December 1990. These days the Rumble comes on and several of the participants are mysteries which is part of the fun. Back then fans knew going in who the thirty participants were even though occasionally a guy would get subbed out due to injuries or leaving the promotion. The field was announced by the time the duo hit TV. For the Nasty Boys it wasn't a matter of not being important as opposed to them arriving in the WWF a hair too late to be part of the build up.

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The low point of Tony's career and so racist. Awful stuff.lol

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The low point of Tony's career was getting shoot punched repeatedly on the indy circuit to get an angle over with a chick.

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I love Roddy but sometimes I can only take him in small doses. There is a clip on youtube of him at the tbs studios when the wwf had taken over the timeslot for awhile and he was co hosting the show and he was getting to be too much.

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MSG 1/89, Lord Alfred & Trongard make an awesome announce team

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LOL, Trongard was an acquired taste.

I'm watching the 5-16-88 edition of Prime Time Wrestling. This features the first hint of the Rougeaus upcoming heel turn. In the little corner inset interview during their squash, they say, "Hey, we hear some booing when we come out to the ring, and we just want everyone to know we love the USA so please don't confuse us with Dino Bravo even though we're both from Montreal!"
At the end of the match, they show a little aggressiveness too because they put their finisher (Jacques' flying crotch smash into jobber on Raymond's shoulders) on both opponents....the 2nd one after the bell.

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Spatulapup wrote: I love Roddy but sometimes I can only take him in small doses. There is a clip on youtube of him at the tbs studios when the wwf had taken over the timeslot for awhile and he was co hosting the show and he was getting to be too much.
Freddie Miller was obviously really happy to be standing with Roddy again!

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The other night I watch the Swagger v Del Rio match from RAW. First current era WWE match I've watched live in probably a decade. I wasn't really into it. I'm not trying to be an old man about it but it just didn't come across as entertaining.

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The Mega Powers explode...only 8 years too late. Plus The Outsiders battle Harlem Heat, The Horsemen brawl with the Dungeon of Doom, The Total Package takes the measure of The Enforcer, Jericho tries to ground Syxx, The Giant crushes Double J, DDP collides with Eddy Guerrero and Rey Jr and Dean Malenko engage in a near classic!! Plus backstage news from the period including how close Mean Gene, Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan were to jumping back to the WWF, Jerry Saggs shooting on Nitro and much more!

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Franchise wrote: The other night I watch the Swagger v Del Rio match from RAW. First current era WWE match I've watched live in probably a decade. I wasn't really into it. I'm not trying to be an old man about it but it just didn't come across as entertaining.
U are not being a old man. The wwe product today is terrible. There isn't a wrestler on the roster who has "it " that will become huge. Our sports channel aired a wwe marathon of specials covering Austin, the rock, the nwo, dx, the Monday night wars and so on. And those were really the last glory years in wrestling. There were a few new stars like randy orton and cena but other than that. It's just blah now , u won't see crazy crowds like that again , or stars that white hot or exciting again. Swagger, del rio, reigns etc don't have the magic. 

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Spatulapup wrote: Franchise wrote: The other night I watch the Swagger v Del Rio match from RAW. First current era WWE match I've watched live in probably a decade. I wasn't really into it. I'm not trying to be an old man about it but it just didn't come across as entertaining.
U are not being a old man. The wwe product today is terrible. There isn't a wrestler on the roster who has "it " that will become huge. Our sports channel aired a wwe marathon of specials covering Austin, the rock, the nwo, dx, the Monday night wars and so on. And those were really the last glory years in wrestling. There were a few new stars like randy orton and cena but other than that. It's just blah now , u won't see crazy crowds like that again , or stars that white hot or exciting again. Swagger, del rio, reigns etc don't have the magic. 

You forgot to mention the one Sportsnet 360 aired that really let you know just how bad today's product is - the Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat Rivalry show.

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Watched the 5/23/88 episode of Prime Time last night. This is the first episode with the new set, which they would use all the way to I believe early '91 when Vince hosted the studio audience version of the show.

Bobby and Monsoon were fucking great together. The second half of the show was all squash matches from Challenge, except for a quick Bigelow/Bundy match from MSG. Gorilla is needling Bobby the entire show, and he asks Heenan, "so what are your plans with Hercules?" By this point, Herc was pretty much washed up and everyone at home knew it. Monsoon's just fucking with Bobby with this question. Heenan's like, "well, you see, um, we're going to go to Jack Tunney with our demands and percentage of the gate to face Savage for the title......" Monsoon cuts him off, "Brain, are you NUTS? YOU don't dictate to Jack Tunney or the champion, they tell YOU how much of the gate you'll get."

Fucking awesome.

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CanadianHorseman wrote:
You forgot to mention the one Sportsnet 360 aired that really let you know just how bad today's product is - the Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat Rivalry show.

Yeah no doubt. I knew that the marathon of Network shows was running, scanned through the programming, and this was the only thing I thought worthy of dvr-ing for an hour of my time.

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khawk wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote:
You forgot to mention the one Sportsnet 360 aired that really let you know just how bad today's product is - the Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat Rivalry show.

Yeah no doubt. I knew that the marathon of Network shows was running, scanned through the programming, and this was the only thing I thought worthy of dvr-ing for an hour of my time.

The WrestleMania Rewind with The Rock vs Austin was OK but the rest were kind of " meh ". Nothing that would me call up and order the channel. Sportsnet 360 is airing the same 6 shows a couple more times on January 1st. 

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Just got a Roddy Piper comp for Christmas and watched a few matches last night. Him under a hood as The Canadian. Never saw his stuff this early in his career.

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Watching the 5/30/88 Prime Time Wrestling. Squash match with Lombardi vs. Jerry Allen. Lombardi kicked out of a pin attempt, and Monsoon said, "Lombardi slips out the back door."

Heenan said, "I hear he's good at that."

Really good Islanders/Strike Force match from MSG on this show too. Those two teams worked damn well together.

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victhestick wrote: Just got a Roddy Piper comp for Christmas and watched a few matches last night. Him under a hood as The Canadian. Never saw his stuff this early in his career.
Is there any footage from LA with Piper as The Masked Canadian ????

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I was watching the Monday night wars, nwo and dx specials and in all of them WCW is made to look like the bad guys and inferior. Very annoying but not surprised at that portrayal considering who produced these things .It would be great to get a unbiased view of the whole thing.:)

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Been watching Hithouse Mark's WWF 1988 and 89 sets lately. Really fun stuff.

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Kevin, what is on those sets? I'm not familiar with them.

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The sets are organized by year and each year covers all the major WWF matches and angles chronologically. Hit house Mark has listings for
Each year that you can get from him via pming him your email address. The lists are on pdf. Docs.
These sets are a great way to go Through a year of WWF wrestling and hit all the high points, along with some obscure and lesser known stuff here and there.
Drop him a line and get him to send you the lists. He has similar sets for a lot of other areas and territories as well.

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Nice. Sounds like it cuts out watching hours of Steve Lombardi vs. Scott Casey and Shadows vs. Young Stallions matches :)

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CanadianHorseman wrote: victhestick wrote: Just got a Roddy Piper comp for Christmas and watched a few matches last night. Him under a hood as The Canadian. Never saw his stuff this early in his career.
Is there any footage from LA with Piper as The Masked Canadian ????


Yeah that's what I saw, a couple of matches and a promo with Pat Patterson claiming he knew who The Canadian was, but didn't say who he thought it was.

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Skipped ahead in the Piper set and he and Rick Martel are a tag team feuding with The Kiwis/Sheepherders/Bushwhackers in Portland. Weird seeing Piper and Martel as a team.

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victhestick wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote: victhestick wrote: Just got a Roddy Piper comp for Christmas and watched a few matches last night. Him under a hood as The Canadian. Never saw his stuff this early in his career.
Is there any footage from LA with Piper as The Masked Canadian ????


Yeah that's what I saw, a couple of matches and a promo with Pat Patterson claiming he knew who The Canadian was, but didn't say who he thought it was.

I'm just going off my somewhat faulty memory here but I think Piper wrestled as both The Canadian and The Masked Canadian in the LA area. 

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He was announced as The Canadian, mask and tights in red and white color scheme.

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victhestick wrote: He was announced as The Canadian, mask and tights in red and white color scheme.
Ah - maybe he was The Canadian but since he wore a mask he became The Masked Canadian. 

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The entire WCW roster manages to lose to a handful of nWo members in one match...Plus one of the best matches of the year as Ultimo Dragon collides with Rey Jr, one of the worst matches of the year as Chris Jericho faces ref Nick Patrick, Double J tries to chop down the Giant, The Outsiders face off with the Nasty Boys and The Faces of Fear and Roddy Piper confronts the entire nWo as he's the last real man left in WCW. Plus Bam Bam Bigelow gets into a shoot fight and other backstage news from the period!

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Watching the 6/13/88 Prime Time Wrestling. This is the first episode that went to that "film effect" on the old COD, so it's difficult to get used to.

Enjoy the slow build to the Rougeau Bros heel turn. They were in a six man match on this episode and completely ignored and were dicks to their partner, Sam Houston.

Enjoying the unique commentary team of Roger Kent and Billy Graham from MSG and Boston in June '88. As an old AWA fan, it's interesting to hear Roger in this setting. I know it didn't last long, but it was different at least to the old Monsoon/Lord Alfred schtick.

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Finished the 6/20/88 Prime Time Wrestling tonight. This may have been one of the most important episodes of PTW in months. Saw three big debuts on this show: Big Bossman (First ever move by the way was a standing dropkick to start the match), The Rockers, and Brother Love. Also, they announced the Rick Martel injury, and they announced the Harley Race injury and the "search for a new king". In between all of that, another Rougeaus squash where they are acting like bigger dicks than last week, and Monsoon spent the entire show needling Bobby about the open contract Heenan signed, which set him up to wrestle Ultimate Warrior all week.
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Forgot two other angles from the above show-
The Hart Foundation fired Jimmy Hart.

And Greg Valentine ended Billy Graham's career as a manager with the figure four.

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Just watched the Backlund/Snuka MSG cage match for the 3,242 time. The perfect match for the era. I was there live and could tell you first hand that the internet fable that the crowd was overwhelmingly for Superfly was complete bullshit. The tape proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just like I remembered it, when Backlund walked out of that cage the crowd lost its shit.

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I've been in the process over the last 2 weeks of consolidating all my videos onto a few larger external Hard Drives. I'm down to my last area, which is Mid South. So I started watching some matches from 1982, JYD and Mr Olympia vs Ted Dibiase and Matt Borne, and a Bob Roop vs Ted Dibiase Match.

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WongLee wrote: Just watched the Backlund/Snuka MSG cage match for the 3,242 time. The perfect match for the era. I was there live and could tell you first hand that the internet fable that the crowd was overwhelmingly for Superfly was complete bullshit. The tape proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just like I remembered it, when Backlund walked out of that cage the crowd lost its shit.
Just searched for this on Youtube and watched it per your recommendation.  Not sure I've ever seen it before.  It was awesome.  Nice little match with an epic ending.  
The thing I like about matches from this era...there weren't 50 bullshit false finish spots.  This one in particular builds to a quick crescendo and boom, it's over.  Not a lot of bullshit.  One epic spot, and then the finish.

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WongLee wrote: Just watched the Backlund/Snuka MSG cage match for the 3,242 time. The perfect match for the era. I was there live and could tell you first hand that the internet fable that the crowd was overwhelmingly for Superfly was complete bullshit. The tape proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just like I remembered it, when Backlund walked out of that cage the crowd lost its shit.
Other than a handful of Four Horsemen studio matches and the odd NWA Philly show, this myth that heels were cheered pre 1990s usually turns out to be unfounded once you watch the video.  If there's a smattering of boos for the babyface, that's a lot, and over time it turns into a John Cena 50/50 thing.  But it just never happened, not with Backlund and not with anyone else.  Backlund wasn't AS over as Bruno in some cities, but that just means the cheers for him weren't as loud, not that he was actually being booed to the point that you can hear it on the tape.

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WongLee wrote: Just watched the Backlund/Snuka MSG cage match for the 3,242 time. The perfect match for the era. I was there live and could tell you first hand that the internet fable that the crowd was overwhelmingly for Superfly was complete bullshit. The tape proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just like I remembered it, when Backlund walked out of that cage the crowd lost its shit.
Funny, I pulled out my "Bloodbath" DVD last weekend and watched that very same match.  I agree that while Snuka was majorly over with the crowd, Backlund was overwhelmingly the babyface.  My god, though, by next year's Muraco match Snuka was insanely over as a babyface.  That crowd worshiped him.   

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Hi folks. I'm new to the board, didn't see a place for intros yet, but thought I'd hop in here. My son pays for a WWE Network subscription so I decided to go back and watch all the old WCW PPVs this year. I just started this weekend with the 1983 Starrcade. Makes me realize how much I miss those days when the matches were amazing and the crowds were into the action in the ring instead of trying to get themselves over.

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southrnbygrace wrote: Hi folks. I'm new to the board, didn't see a place for intros yet, but thought I'd hop in here. My son pays for a WWE Network subscription so I decided to go back and watch all the old WCW PPVs this year. I just started this weekend with the 1983 Starrcade. Makes me realize how much I miss those days when the matches were amazing and the crowds were into the action in the ring instead of trying to get themselves over.Welcome to the beej board bro. More importantly thanks for posting. New blood is always a good thing. 

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Blazer wrote:
Just searched for this on Youtube and watched it per your recommendation.  Not sure I've ever seen it before.  It was awesome.  Nice little match with an epic ending.  

Funny the Snuka-Backlund cage match was one I thought "every" wrestling fan that followed it closely enough to post on a board had seen many, many times. Shows what I know.

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southrnbygrace wrote: Hi folks. I'm new to the board, didn't see a place for intros yet, but thought I'd hop in here. My son pays for a WWE Network subscription so I decided to go back and watch all the old WCW PPVs this year. I just started this weekend with the 1983 Starrcade. Makes me realize how much I miss those days when the matches were amazing and the crowds were into the action in the ring instead of trying to get themselves over.
Welcome to the Booji board.

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khawk wrote: Blazer wrote:
Just searched for this on Youtube and watched it per your recommendation.  Not sure I've ever seen it before.  It was awesome.  Nice little match with an epic ending.  

Funny the Snuka-Backlund cage match was one I thought "every" wrestling fan that followed it closely enough to post on a board had seen many, many times. Shows what I know.

I've seen Snuka/Muraco countless times (Muraco falls through door, Snuka goes berzerk and brings him back in, Snuka splashes him from top of cage and lays belt over his bloody carcass), but not Snuka/Backlund.

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southrnbygrace wrote: Hi folks. I'm new to the board, didn't see a place for intros yet, but thought I'd hop in here. My son pays for a WWE Network subscription so I decided to go back and watch all the old WCW PPVs this year. I just started this weekend with the 1983 Starrcade. Makes me realize how much I miss those days when the matches were amazing and the crowds were into the action in the ring instead of trying to get themselves over.
Welcome to the board!  Yes, those good old days and the way they went about them are missed by many.

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Currently watching Starrcade 1984. Tully Blanchard vs Ricky Steamboat. Good stuff!!

Thanks for the welcome! I grew up on the border of GA/SC so I was at the matches 3-4 times a weeks from 1977 or so until late 1984. Every week in Augusta, GA and Columbia, SC. I feel so fortunate to have been around back then.

And for the record, I'm an old LADY. LOL...folks always think I'm a guy, but nope...surprise!! ;)

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Watching Bockwinkel vs Lawler. The interviews were so much better than now.Larry Z being upset Bockwinkel being handed belt was good too.

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southrnbygrace wrote: Currently watching Starrcade 1984. Tully Blanchard vs Ricky Steamboat. Good stuff!!

Thanks for the welcome! I grew up on the border of GA/SC so I was at the matches 3-4 times a weeks from 1977 or so until late 1984. Every week in Augusta, GA and Columbia, SC. I feel so fortunate to have been around back then.

And for the record, I'm an old LADY. LOL...folks always think I'm a guy, but nope...surprise!! ;)

Did you ever get an offer to ride Space Mountain at the Marriott?

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No I did not!!! LMAO! Flair had too many other women....SKANKY women. I was afraid of what diseases I might get. ;)

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If you were at the matches "3-4 times a WEEK" for a seven year period, you must have some damn good stories.

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I have a few but none too exciting. Just meeting all the boys and girls was all I needed...I was luck to have seen some of the greats come thru there.

I'm in the middle of watching the 1993 Battle Bowl over on th Network. That was after I stopped going to the shows but I still watched...until the NWO showed up. I wasn't having any of their shit so I stopped watching and didn't watch a single thing until the summer of Punk 2011 I think it was. He brought me back and now he's GONE, which I hate!!

Anyway, not alot of stories....., just of meeting the guys here and yon. Having a tire blowout driving 85 mph trying to catch up with Buddy Landel...Ivan Koloff stopped to help us chnge the tire. ..Nothing too exciting

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WCW presents a feel good show as Roddy Piper tries to humble Hollywood Hogan, Justin Liger flies high with Rey Jr, Dean Malenko tangles with The Ultimo Dragon, Lex Luger climbs a beanstalk to battle the Giant, Jeff Jarrett and Chris Benoit beat the tar out of each other, The Outsiders try and survive a clash with the Faces of Fear, along with other action....also included is backstage news from the era with the WWF trying to poach former WCW champions, and Eric Bischoff accusing Vince McMahon of taking steroids...plus video of a must see Cocaine Crazed Roddy Piper promo!!

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Been watching 1994 Smoky Mountain the last few days. The last bastion of political incorrectness. Tracy Smothers' Confederate flag getup, the Gangstas' antics (promos praising OJ, eating watermelon and using the N word, a beatdown of Ricky Morton staged to look just like the Reginald Denny beating), Boo Bradley (young Balls Mahoney) being led around on a leash, Jericho's sick blade job with a broken arm, etc. All to the delight of 75 inbreds at a high school gym in Bumfuck, WV.

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On the verge of the nWo's first PPV, the Clash of the Champions sees Lex Luger collide with Scott Hall, plus Dean Malenko grappling with the Ultimo Dragon, Kevin Sullivan brawling with Chris Benoit, some Lucha craziness and a whole bunch of squash matches. Backstage news on the Nasty Boys shooting on Scott Hall, Mongo's big contract, original plans for Crow Sting and other highlights are included as well.

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Just got caught up on 4 months of NXT

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SMW year two.

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Wrestlemania 30 Blue-Ray. Literally bought it the week it came out in 2014 and never took the shrink-wrap off until last night. I'm about halfway through the first disc and have watched:

Hogan-Austin-Rock intro
HHH vs. Daniel Bryan
Outlaws and Kane job to the Shield
Cesaro wins the Andre Battle Royal
Cena vs. Bray Wyatt

So far, this is actually a decent show.

I have all Manias 24-30 on dvd or blue ray but haven't had time to ever watch them, so I thought I'd try to start watching these shows (and the HOF ceremonies) as much as possible through early and late March (in between tourny basketball and before the start of MLB).
Just bit the bullet and thought I would watch these in reverse order too.

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Watched the Brock/UT match from WM30 before I called it a night last night, and I'm glad I finished it. It was extremely awkward to see (my perspective on this- I haven't seen a UT Mania match in about ten years...). Even at Mania 30, UT had no business being in the ring. Dude looks like a broken down shell of himself. Anyway, the stunned silence and shocked faces after the pin may be the most memorable Mania moment in years. Simply awesome.

Going to try to finish disc 1 tonight (Vick Guerrero Divas match and the main event, along with the Pre-show tag match), and then I'll segue into the HOF Disc 2 for evening viewing this week, as the Hawks I think only play on Thursday night.

Enjoying this more than I thought I would though.

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WrestleMania 30 was considered one of the best Mania's for years and the WWE left with a lot of momentum that carried for a while before they lost it in midsummer with Daniel Bryan's injury and the brutal mishandling of the Roman Reigns solo push which took a guy the fans considered cool and turned him into something almost irredeemably ruined.

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Just from a in-ring psychology standpoint, it's interesting how many guys across the board have changed their style in the past ten years. This is probably something that is clearer to a guy like me that has watched limited product since the early 2000s. So many people are using the "MMA" style moves, and I notice the Daniel Bryan running-kick-to-the-head seems to be a popular move. Hell, I saw four or five do that move in the battle royal. And then Taker and HHH trying to do arm-bar submissions moves completely incorrectly, wow. Can't say the product hasn't evolved over the past three decades, that's for sure.

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Watched Prime Time from 7-4-88 which was notable for having a Jos LeDuc match (managed by Frenchy Martin) where Gorilla went back and forth between calling him "Butcher" and also "Headbanger".

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Blazer wrote: Watched Prime Time from 7-4-88 which was notable for having a Jos LeDuc match (managed by Frenchy Martin) where Gorilla went back and forth between calling him "Butcher" and also "Headbanger".
LOL I saw that too.  I love the old Prime Time episodes.  Gorilla and The Brain were a riot.  Did you ever finish watching those weekly syndicated shows from 1984?

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Heenan is really a riot during this period of Prime Time (mid '88). He and Gorilla are just absolute gold together. You can tell they were getting along when Heenan would get flustered and Gorilla would just start laughing.

I know LeDuc is in the ceremony when Haku is crowned king, which is supposed to happen on the next Prime Time (7-11-88), but I'm not sure if he has any other squash matches. I don't believe he ever appeared on Superstars or Challenge in a match. He might pop up on one more Prime Time match. I somehow missed this when it originally aired, so it's the first time I saw him wrestle and saw his finished (he got DQ'd for multiple headbutts of the opponent in the corner).

I have one stinkin' episode of '84 WWF left and one episode of '88 WCW World Wide. I watched Starrcade '88 after I finished the World Wide ep from that weekend, but never got back to finishing off the set. They were both fun watches and took me about a year to complete.

Not sure what my next project will be. I need to catch up on the WM dvds I have though.

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Up to 1995 on Smoky Mountain. Buddy Landell, Unabomb (Kane), Cactus Jack, Jerry Lawler and Eddie Gilbert (right before he died) are in. Looks like the Memphis invasion isn't far off. Anyone know who Landell's "agent" was? Candido "kills" Boo Bradley's cat in an angle that would get WWE thrown off the air if they tried it today. Cornette turns babyface against the Gangstas.

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Just finished WWF championship wrestling from 1986 and now working my way into superstars of wrestling.

Orndorff turn on Hogan happened about a month ago.

The return of Piper and his feud with Adonis.

The Machines.

The debut of a face Honky Tonk Man.

Vignettes with Superstar Billy Graham.

Still a few weeks away from Savage attacking Steamboat, I think.

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Savage attacking Steamboat is definitely a number of weeks away...I think early November.

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Watching the Southern Wrestling episode of the Legends of Wrestling on the channel.

Hayes is acting like a douche during most of this but it's been pretty entertaining

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Hayes acts like a douche during most of those shows :)

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Looking back at one of the worst PPVs of all time.... Crooked refs, bad announcing, large women dancing, nWo B-team guys in half the matches, a dead crowd, Hogan vs The Giant part 25, X-Pac errrrrr Syxx in the best match, Oh the humanity!

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Watching this week in RAW/Nitro from 97.

Raw crowd is dead early on and this is the night after Mania.

Steve Austin turning face seems a bit odd as he hit his stride over the past 5 months or so as a no nonsense shit talking heel and had lots of hay to make off that yet. I realize I'm saying this about the biggest drawing babyface in wrestling history.

Nitro was headlined by Prince Iaukea vs Macho Man. I'm sure they killed RAW anyway.

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After the flair podcast I watched the undertaker v flair match from wm18 for the first time and really enjoyed it.

I also watched the Benoit v Shawn v HHH match from wm20 and loved that. shawn cut a gusher, he looked like foley from the king of the death match tourney in Japan. That crowd wasn't going to accept anyone but Benoit walking out of that place with the belt.

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Saturday Night's Main Event #30
January 27, 1992 in Lubbock, TX
Municipal Coliseum drawing ???
Shown February 8, 1992 on Fox (8.2)

1.WWF I-C Champ Roddy Piper pinned The Mountie (3:24).
2.Hulk Hogan & Sid Justice beat Ric Flair & The Undertaker (11:09) via DQ.
3.Sgt Slaughter & Jim Duggan beat The Beverly Brothers (2:37) when Duggan pinned Blake.
4.Randy Savage pinned Jake Roberts (5:25).

I kind of forgot how hot the Savage / Roberts stuff was @ the time, it was short but a fun watch

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Watching disc 1 of khawks AWA 83 raw footage set.

Had a few minutes of lawler v tolos, tolos was selling like he was getting shot

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Tolos was basically a lower midcard enhancement guy in his AWA time in 1983. The name said "should be a competitive match", but the result was mostly Tolos losing clean.

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I'm kicking off a new project as I take a look around the wrestling world month by month as Vince McMahon steamrolls the territories. Each major territory has their main cards and angles looked into for the month as I make the journey through time. I'm kicking off with February of 1983. The WWF has a huge 10 man tag in Philly, JCP is setting up the Final Conflict, the AWA is running on Hulkamania, St Louis is dying, World Class is on fire thanks to the Freebirds vs the Von Erichs, JYD is waging war with the Rat Pack, Lawler is chasing the AWA title and much more!

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Watched a few episodes of wcwsn from oct of 91. Nothing great but some fun 6 man tags, furthering of the freebirds (screaming Eagles) vs enforcers feud and build for the Simmons vs Luger title match.

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Franchise wrote: Watching disc 1 of khawks AWA 83 raw footage set.

Had a few minutes of lawler v tolos, tolos was selling like he was getting shot

Those '83 Raw discs are great.  I picked those up from Khawk about 10 years ago.  Can't remember which one, but one disc has a bunch of Minneapolis news clips with their sports guy showing highlights from house shows and some interviews.  Great stuff!

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I'm out of town tonight for work so I figured I'd watch raw since I don't have anything else going on and so far it's just not good.

I feel like it's part infomercial, part Broadway play and part sing along. The athletes are great no doubt but everything seems so convaluted and scripted that it isn't even fun to watch.

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The ending to the 8 woman tag made sense but it seemed like a disjointed spot fest.

The interview segments with Roman and styles are terrible, neither are good on the mic and lack any charisma

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USOS vs Vuadvillians match was a disappointment

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Franchise wrote: I'm out of town tonight for work so I figured I'd watch raw since I don't have anything else going on and so far it's just not good.

I feel like it's part infomercial, part Broadway play and part sing along. The athletes are great no doubt but everything seems so convaluted and scripted that it isn't even fun to watch.

I feel the same on the current product. We all know it's fake, but at least make it look believable. It's like acrobatics in the ring with one guy flipping ans twisting and the other ready to catch him before setting up the next spot. 

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its true. its never looked more fake than it does today. U can tell every single thing is planned out and rehearsed to death. non stop moves, with the wrestlers waiting for the next move,  very little selling, its just a bore. No wonder the crowd looks like their eyes are glazed over and are on the verge of nodding off. its amazing they still attend. is it out of habit? lol

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I have been watching the Best of Lou Thesz from the Studio Wrestling set...
I have to admit Lou was a badass!...kinda heelish, takes-no-shit aggressive, very fast and an obvious master of holds

best match so far versus a young Don Leo Jonathan from the International Ampitheater Chicago

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March of 1983 sees the NWA hold the "Final Conflict" Steel Cage match between Sgt. Slaughter and Don Kernodle against Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood, the AWA has another chapter in the endless Mad Dog Vachon war with Sheik Adnan's army, A big controversy follows the National title in Georgia, The Freebirds and Von Erichs continue to go to war, The WWF has another huge multi-man match, plus news on Florida, Mid-South, St. Louis and Memphis as the biggest stars in wrestling crisscross the nation!

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I've started a shitty blog where I write about the old timey pro rasslin show that I just watched on the WWE Network. First one is a WCCW show from Oct 1982 featuring the debut of Michael Hayes. If you can be bothered to tell me what might improve it, then do.

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Our visit through history stops in April of 1983 where we look into the AWA's love affair with HULKAMANIA and the blood feud of Mad Dog Vachon and Jerry "Fatwell". Things come to a head at "Super Sunday". The Mid-Atlantic continues to push Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood's issue with Kernodle and Slaughter, the Mid-South sees JYD headline another Superdome show, Tony Atlas chases World Champ Ric Flair in the Omni, World Class sees a famous "spanking" angle, St. Louis has a World title match as well as imports from around the rest of the nation, MSG has a former WWF champ return to challenge Bob Backlund, Jerry Lawler tries to beat AWA champ Bockwinkel and deal with Andy Kaufman, among a lot of other happenings!

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The Blackwell-Vachon death match was May 1983, not 1982, unless there is another one from earlier that is never talked about or acknowledged.

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I've been watching a lot of WCW tv from 10/93 up to 1/94. Really been enjoying it. A lot of the usual people but it's all coming across really well even Sid while he was there

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khawk wrote: The Blackwell-Vachon death match was May 1983, not 1982, unless there is another one from earlier that is never talked about or acknowledged.
Took the date off a youtube video and I believe wrestlingdata had no info. I will change it, and thank you very much for the info! 

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Up to April '95 on SMW (been busy). The end is near. Jim Ross has taken a full-time job in Connecticut, so some guy with a really loud, annoying voice is the new PBP guy. Bobby Fulton comes in and immediately gets a SMW title shot. They do an incredibly cheesy injury angle with Ricky Morton, complete with the ring announcer screaming for a doctor, an ambulance, and Ricky's crying "wife". Cornette weighs around 300 lbs. at this point. Looks like the Gangstas are on their way out.

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May 83

A busy news month sees Jimmy Snuka arrested, a serious car accident for another smark favorite, a new Russian enters the horizon, JCP blows off one of their biggest feuds ever, Hulk Hogan leaves the AWA...the first time...., Mid-South lands two major new babyfaces, Bobby Heenan has a great angle with Ken Patera, Adrian Adonis wins a World title in Texas...., Andy Kaufman is back in Memphis, plus I look at a WWF house show in full from the Cap Center!!!!

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In honor of Mothers Day I watched in Your House #1

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A special look around June 1983 sees Harley Race and Ric Flair having a historic St Louis encounter, The Von Erichs fall into legal troubles over drugs, The Road Warriors debut, Two Memphis legends battle in a "Loser Leaves Town" match, Buddy Rose turns face in Portland, Jimmy Snuka and Don Muraco kick off their famous feud, plus I review the WCCW Star Wars Event from June with the Von Erichs, Kamala, Brody, Chris Adams and others battling in front of over 20,000 rabid fans!!

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Royal Rumble 91. I always laugh when I see macho man running, his body motion looks like he is running really fast but he isn't. He reminds me of when a person is riding a bike in that gear when their legs are moving fast but the bike isn't.

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I've watched Rumble '91 within the last year and thought it was pretty good.

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SMW 1995 a few months after Jim Ross left and just when Buddy Landell turned face.

You can tell the promotion has fallen hard in terms of its house show attendance as they haven't done a taping in the last four weeks of episodes, only recaps with some spot show footage sprinkled in.

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Just finished watching the entire season of 1990 Superstars of Wrestling. Fantastic trip down memory lane. Saw a week where a couple of guys must have had the airline lose their bags. Snuka wore some similar trunks to his that Brunzell wore. Job guy Tony Uylesses wore Tito's white trunks and no boots.

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Been watching some WWE Network old school stuff and writing it up https://wweoldschool.wordpress.com/.

I was going to go through the old school stuff chronologically, but I wanted more variety, so I'm just gonna dive in and pick old TV shows I've never seen before.

I've just watched an AWA show from March 1986.

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Kriss, who was on that AWA show? That was just before this promotion completely fell off a cliff.

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tamalie wrote: Kriss, who was on that AWA show? That was just before this promotion completely fell off a cliff.Golly, wouldn't it be great if he did a write-up of the show on his blog, complete with screen captures? That'd be aces, man  :)

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tamalie wrote: Kriss, who was on that AWA show? That was just before this promotion completely fell off a cliff.
Shawn Michaels vs Buddha Khan
Scott Irwin & Bill Irwin vs. Tim Patterson & Bun Boy Barton
Scott Hall (w/ Curt Hennig) vs. Doug Somers
Interview segment with Larry Zbyszko and Marty Jannetty

Crusher Blackwell vs Boris Zhukov was on the show, but the version on the WWE Network cuts off after the interview segment.

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July of 1983 sees Harley Race and Ric Flair headline a pair of stadium shows, Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair compete in the same tournament with the Missouri title hanging in the balance, Verne Gagne came out of retirement...again..., Nick Bockwinkel and Ted Dibiase align to go after Dusty Rhodes, Hacksaw Duggan and JYD headline a loaded Superdome card, Stan Hansen and Ole Anderson take aim at the Road Warriors, Andy Kaufman TEAMS with Jerry Lawler, plus a full blow by blow review of the WWF's event from the Philly Spectrum and much more news and notes!!

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August of 1983 sees Ric Flair having his neck injured in a heinous attack, Barry Windham's bid for the NWA World title headlines a big Florida card, Hulk Hogan adds David Schultz to his hit list, Rick Martel is brutalized on AWA TV, Japan sees two legends retire in their prime, Lou Thesz appeared in Memphis, The Road Warriors receive their first NWA World tag title shots at the Briscos, Bob Backlund faces a wide range of opponents before a new challenger arises and many other news bits and results!

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September of 1983 sees Ric Flair retiring due to injury, Dusty Rhodes finally ends his war with Kevin Sullivan, Masked Superstar tries to cripple Bob Backlund's friend, Vince's expansion plans start to become very evident, Duggan and Dibiase reach a climax in Mid-South, Andre faces monsters across the wrestling landscape, The Heenan Family implodes, plus an EPIC Dusty promo and lots of other news and notes!

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The half of October of 1983 sees Harley Race facing off with talent from across the country as he prepares for his "Starrcade" match with Ric Flair. Stan Hansen and Jesse Ventura invade Memphis, the WWF declares war on Ole Anderson, Don Muraco takes part in one of the most famous squash matches ever, The Freebirds almost come to the WWF, JYD faces set backs in his feud with Butch Reed, among lots of other news and tidbits....then I do a full review of the MSG show for the month which features Snuka's epic steel cage match with Muraco, Bob Backlund vs. The Masked Superstar, Andre and much more!

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Watching the June 23, 1986 Prime Time. Harley Race decided to give Lanny Poffo a brainbuster on the concrete floor on an MSG undercard match. May have been Race '86 debut at MSG before he was King...still billed as Handsome Harley. Poffo sold the move for about 30 seconds before getting back into the ring. Unbelievable that Race would do stupid shit like that in a squash match like something a backyarder would pull. Hoss Funk had a singles victory over George Wells on the card too. Weird to see two former NWA champs on the card, but both guys were pretty much toast. Monsoon even mentioned how "slow the pace was" in the Funk/Wells match while riding Wells on his weight.

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I've been watching a bunch of WCW Saturday Night from 1992 during the "Watts Era." Awesome, awesome stuff. So many guys getting pushed that normally wouldn't. Greg Valentine, Dick Slater, The Barbarian, and several other guys are so fun to watch (and that doesn't even include the guys at the top of the card).

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The second half of October sees the "Last Battle in Atlanta" take place as Buzz Sawyer and Tommy Rich wage war in a covered cage. JCP continues the road to Starrcade, Snuka and Muraco engage in a bloodbath, Magnum TA and JYD are in the middle of a Mid-South title controversy, Jimmy Garvin fends off a surprise opponent in WCCW, Memphis has a huge tag team mega match and much more!

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November of 1983 sees JCP's biggest show ever, the first Starrcade! The Von Eriches dominate Ric Flair, a legendary tag team makes their Mid-South debut, Andy Kaufman ends his Memphis saga, an infamous heel retires after a long career, the Road Warriors go to war with a pair of brothers, Hulk Hogan leaves the AWA, and more news and notes. Then I take a look at the full WWF Philly show from this month with Backlund vs. Iron Sheik, Pat Patterson facing Ivan Koloff and other action!

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I started watching some AJPW tv from May of 93.

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December of 1983 sees the retirement of an all time great, the return of a WWWF champion to JCP, Dick Slater becomes Crockett's top heel in the aftershock of Starrcade, Bob Backlund makes his final successful title defenses, the WWF invades St. Louis and brings out the big guns, Hogan and Flair both take part in mega matches in the Orient, Santa Claus turns heel in WCCW, the AWA adapts to life without Hogan, Macho Man disrupts a live Memphis TV taping, and a ton of other news and notes... Plus a look at the full card from the December MSG show...

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I'm up to the July AJPW tv shows and the big bossman is jobbing but he has been in some good looking matches.

They have had some awkward looking non wrestling segments. They had 1 with misawa where it is showing still head shots of him with him talking, they had a segment with the philly eagles cheer leaders then one week had a villain from the super Mario movie.

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WCW Monday Nitro 12/23/96

JJ beats Rick Steiner in a one on one match when he pins NWO Sting. Huh? Not even sure how that works.

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This is apparently the final AWA show (circa November of 1990) before they switched to an all-classic bout format.

- We get a Verne Gagne and Nick Bockwinkel in studio voice over from one of their past matches.

- The show starts by talking about how this is now season 40 of the AWA, which leads to a depressing series of bumpers that show all the big stars the AWA had and lost over the years.

- A few squash matches with Greg Gagne and Bischoff over dubbing new commentary

- A special feature on Larry Zybysko

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A busy month sees McMahon's take over start to rattle the Orient as rumors of a Japanese legend jumping ship has Baba and Inoki in fits, The Hot Rod enters the WWF, An AWA vs. NWA World title unification is teased on TV, A wrestling Hall of Famer makes a very special appearance at the Super Bowl, NWA Champ Ric Flair is pinned on TV to set up the next big heel in JCP, a "rookie" is given a major push and put over a former WWWF champ, Buzz Sawyer is fired after abusing his booking power, a major star holds Verne Gagne up over his push, Jimmy Hart cuts a classless promo in Memphis, a former Olympian assaults a pregnant fan and many other news and notes. A full rundown of the WWF's Philly house show from January 1984 closes out the article.

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Found a newish All-Japan channel with a bunch of odd matches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb8LVLQrDwM

Harley Race and Crusher Blackwell vs. Tiger Jeet Singh and the One Man Gang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msmHz2gvU9U

Greg Gagne and Jim Brunzell vs. Dory Funk Jr and Kerry Von Erich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY2CFuYm2xQ

A masked duo of Star Wars rip off gimmicks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EniaqW0Mbs

Gorilla Monsoon in a Judo challenge

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Hulkamania is born in the WWF as the Hulkster collides with the Iron Sheik, plus Tito Santana takes focus on IC champ Don Muraco, Roddy Piper does some excellent heel work with Paul Orndorff, Andre takes part in a six-man, plus Slaughter, the Masked Superstar, Jimmy Snuka and others take part in undercard action.

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/david-von-erich-death/#.V4egX7grLIU February of 1984 was a game changer. WCCW lost one it's crown jewels as David Von Erich died tragically while in Japan, Vince McMahon has the rest of the world scared as rumors of a global expansion creates paranoia, an all-time legendary heel debuts in JCP, The Boogie Woogie Man visits a prostitute, Andre loses a battle royal in a shocker, The AWA asks a top heel to take Hogan's spot, the biggest star in the history of Mexico dies, several huge title changes happen, plus tons of others news, notes and results!!

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"The big news of the month for the AWA is that champion Nick Bockwinkel was dethroned in Japan by International champion Jumbo Tsuruta. Terry Funk served as the special guest referee. This caused problems right away as Gagne booked Jumbo for matches in America that Tsuruta had to cancel due to having Japanese commitments."
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Do you have a listing of the dates he was booked in and missed? Jumbo did come over for a tour not long after he won the title at the end of February. He did Chicago, Salt Lake, and Green Bay in the first week of March. Were dates sacrificed with the Champion after that?
If you have specific examples it would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/david-von-erich-death/#.V4egX7grLIU February of 1984 was a game changer. WCCW lost one it's crown jewels as David Von Erich died tragically while in Japan, Vince McMahon has the rest of the world scared as rumors of a global expansion creates paranoia, an all-time legendary heel debuts in JCP, The Boogie Woogie Man visits a prostitute, Andre loses a battle royal in a shocker, The AWA asks a top heel to take Hogan's spot, the biggest star in the history of Mexico dies, several huge title changes happen, plus tons of others news, notes and results!!IIRC the website I pulled that from said San Francisco.   The news items are largely from second hand WON recaps I've pulled from PWO and other places. 

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Watching SMW Superbowl of Wrestling. Decent show with a hot crowd, you wouldn't know by watching this that they would be out of business in 3 months. Apparently there was a legit backstage fight here involving Ricky Morton, Tracy Smothers, and their girlfriends that resulted in Morton being fired. Good match with Undertaker vs. Unabomb (the future Kane).
ETA: Just saw a SICK table spot with Smothers piledriving Tom Prichard with them both going through a non-gimmicked table.

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Watched some USWA as part of a Freebirds comp last night. Mostly Terry Gordy but some Buddy Roberts as well. Was surprised to see Dr Death with Gordy in USWA, never knew that happened.

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I've been watching lots of old Primetime Wrestling clips, not for the matches that I almost entirely skip, but for the Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan clips from the studio.

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tamalie wrote: I've been watching lots of old Primetime Wrestling clips, not for the matches that I almost entirely skip, but for the Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan clips from the studio.
That was a comp I always meant to do...just clips of Bobby and Gorilla in studio. Best part of the show almost all the time.

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The WWF vs the World continues as the non-WWF promoters plot their counter attack known as "Pro Wrestling USA", the NWA title changes hands, Jerry Lawler teams with a long time enemy, the hottest Mid-South angle in years kicks off "The Last Stampede", the AWA and GCW both manage to lose television ground to Vince, some famous Piper's Pit interviews air, a shoot fighter wins a WWF title, the AWA draws big crowds as they load their cards with legends, Montreal delivers a local dream match and much more!

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I watched a few episodes of WCW power hour from early 91. They focused a lot on the build to the Scott v Flair match at the clash. Steve disalvo wrestling as the Minotaur made his power hour debut. They showed highlights of bobby eaton beating on the Z man from a recent episode of Pro and a lot of hype for the Paul e v missy arm wrestling match.

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One of my favorite months to review so far includes the kick start of the Rock n' Wrestling angle, Bill Watts returns to the ring for the "Last Stampede", two of the AWA's top heels are arrested after a melee with the cops, the seeds for "Black Saturday" are sown as Vince McMahon buys GCW, Japan changes wrestling forever by starting up a quasi shoot promotion, plus lots more news and results from around the Wrasslin' world in April of 1984!!

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Started the mid south dvdrv comp. I've never watched much mid south or cared to but I picked it up awhile back and figured I should give it a chance. So far thru the first 2 discs it's been a fun watch. I'm not sure I'll buy any mid south beyond this comp but it is fun to see dibiase pre WWF and the fantastics and midnights are great.

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A look at the WWF's Philly Spectrum card from May of 1984 featuring Hulk Hogan battling the Iron Sheik, Sgt. Slaughter going to war with David Schultz, Tito Santana clashing with Greg Valentine, plus an appearance from a Japanese shooter, a rare appearance from Buzz Sawyer, and Wendi Richter gets the WWF hype machine behind her.

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May 84 sees Cyndi Lauper getting into it with Roddy Piper, Hulk Hogan is rumored to retire to star in a new TV vehicle, A WWF star begins the month as a champion and ends the month quitting, another AWA star defects to Vince, a riot breaks out in St Louis, the mighty Road Warriors suffer a rare loss, the NWA and AWA World titles change hands, Brody wins friends by missing TV tapings, WCCW held it's biggest show ever, Jim Neidhart caused chaos in Memphis, the Brisco Brothers fear they may be forced into a shoot, Crockett runs a big show in Vince's backyard and much more!

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Dig these recaps. Keep it coming.

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Blazer wrote: Dig these recaps. Keep it coming.
Agreed

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I watched an episode of WWF All American from right before wrestlemania 9 that featured a skit with Gene and Bobby trying to sneak in on a meeting that was being held by Tunney and some Japanese officials. They never could find their way in but they did get a glimpse of someone in red and yellow with large arms.

I've watched a few other episodes recently as well and All American is pretty good for a clip show. Their weekly exclusive match seems to be pretty decent most weeks and the skits are fun to watch.

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Franchise wrote: I watched an episode of WWF All American from right before wrestlemania 9 that featured a skit with Gene and Bobby trying to sneak in on a meeting that was being held by Tunney and some Japanese officials. They never could find their way in but they did get a glimpse of someone in red and yellow with large arms.

I've watched a few other episodes recently as well and All American is pretty good for a clip show. Their weekly exclusive match seems to be pretty decent most weeks and the skits are fun to watch.


Here is another one I'd like to have on the Network.

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June of 1984 saw Cyndi Lauper and Capt. Lou set up an battle for MTV, another major AWA stars defects to the WWF, JCP invades the WWF area with weak cards, St Louis has a oddball six-man match, GCW and WWF face off with stacked cards in Baltimore, Vince invades Minnesota with Verne's talent, A WWF champion appears on an AWA show, Mike Von Erich beats Ric Flair, Hogan and the WWF charges into Memphis to try and take down Jerry Jarrett - Memphis responds with a loaded show, Mid-South draws a big house for the latest Superdome event, Florida puts on a mega show to decide the "Lord of the Ring", JCP sees a beloved face turn to the dark side, plus the debut of rookie who would headline events for the next several years. Plus much more news and results from around the wrestling world!!

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July 1984: MSG is the site of the MTV special "The Brawl to End it All" with Cyndi Lauper giving the WWF her rub. The AWA loses yet another top guy to the WWF, A WWF Champion works for Verne Gagne in St. Louis, BLACK SATURDAY, the AWA focuses on several new feuds to try and bolster business, A long time heel hears cheers in Florida, JYD works his Superdome magic once again, Jerry Jarrett out duels McMahon, A ref headlines a WCCW card, a wrestler dies under mysterious circumstances, Jim Crockett is accused of being a racist, plus much more news and results!!

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Woorld class 1982 before the freebird explosion

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One half of a double main event from the Meadowlands sees Hulk Hogan team with the massive Andre the Giant to tackle Dick Murdoch, Adrian Adonis and Big John Studd in a handicap match. The other half sees a bloody brawl between Roddy Piper and Jimmy Snuka. Mil Mascaras and Paul Orndorff also take part in under card action. Gorilla Monsoon provides the hyperbolic commentary, with some real whoppers along the way.

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Have now watched all but the last episode of SMW, they're promoting the "Thanksgiving Thunder" shows, the last four in the company's history. Brining in Jos LeDuc, with (at the time) 15 year old highlights from Memphis TV. Landell brings in a midget to fight Cornette, and Cornette brings in Jackie/Ms. Texas as "Sgt. Rock".

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The "Brawl to End it All" sees the WWF present the much hyped Wendi Richter vs. Fabulous Moolah grudge match live on MTV. Other bouts include a hard hitting World title match between champion Hulk Hogan and challenger Greg "the Hammer" Valentine, plus Tito Santana grapples with Bob Orton Jr. in a fantastic clash of technical greats, World tag champions Adonis and Murdoch attempt to upend Sgt. Slaughter and Pvt. Daniels in a fast paced battle, Antonio Inoki defends his Martial Arts title, twenty men clash in a battle royal, and other stars such as Paul Orndorff and Bob Backlund compete in singles action!

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Larry Zbyszko covers how he broke in the business, why he turned on Bruno, holding up the McMahons for huge paydays, Verne Gagne creating the NWO, Larry's martial arts prowess creating concern among promoters that he'd shoot on their champions, what Mr. Perfect stole from him, heat with Jericho, nearly becoming a Smackdown announcer, how he helped Bruno get into the WWE HOF, and more!

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A remarkably busy month as Vince snags several more top talents, Bruno Sammartino returns to the WWF after settling his lawsuit with the McMahon family, a non WWF title is defended on TV, more promotions are gobbled up by the expanding WWF, a former World champ is fired, a top WWF heel releases a rock album, Ole Anderson strikes back at Vince for "stealing" his promotion, the Road Warriors score a major title win, Mid-South sees a local favorite turn to the darkside, Memphis runs some mega cards, Florida is dealt a death blow as Dusty Rhodes jumps to JCP, the long Freebirds/Von Erich war settles in on a final battle, and much more!

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I am currently on disc 3 of the Mid South DVDR set -

it's OK but I do have a complaint:
most of the matches are arena house shows with no commentary

so although the matches may be "great" (as determined by the smark community) there are no reference points or background info on any of the feuds or workers and shaky arena match after shaky arena match grows tedious regardless of how hot the match is..I like the Mid South promotion and studio TV but this set is "meh"

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I've been watching some CCW from 89 that the good principal sent me. It's some good stuff, a young Furnas, the great dr Tom and Detroit Demolition. It's weird seeing Masa Chono working in a small building in TN.

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Tiger Mask 1980's cartoon 6 dvd box set starring Japanese Wrestler Tiger Mask with appearances from Abdullah The Butcher,Stan Hansen,Andre The Giant.



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TonyDaLoccsta wrote: Tiger Mask 1980's cartoon 6 dvd box set starring Japanese Wrestler Tiger Mask with appearances from Abdullah The Butcher,Stan Hansen,Andre The Giant.




THAT FUCKING TIGER MASK

THE "THEY CUT MY NECK SEVERAL TIMES, I SELL PILEDRIVERS AND THEN I WIN WITH A FUCKING TOPE" TIGER MASK II

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Philly fans are treated to a battle between World Champion Hulk Hogan and Greg "The Hammer" Valentine, plus Andre clashes with Big John Studd, Bob Backlund bids farewell to the WWF, Ken Patera returns, the Fabulous Freebirds and Kamala debut, Cyndi Lauper appears, Stampede talent shows up and more action from August of 1984...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85z1Z-f9GBo The AWA puts on a show on the Donahue set, complete with old ladies shitting on the "fake" product. Quite surreal.

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Just watched Wrestlemania I. Why you ask? I'm paying $9.99 a month I might as well watch something being I have no interest in what Daniel Bryan's favorite sexual position is. Interesting old school setup. Lesser matches first. Setting up Bundy a whole year in advance for the next Mania. They made the celebrities a big deal. I thought the sleeper match was Leilani vs. Wendi. They both worked their fat asses off in an action packed albeit short match. Main event was rubbish, Studd and Andre was rubbish. Matt Borne is one of the few guys who can get a bad match out of Steamboat. With all that thought, ultimately I kinda enjoyed it.

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WongLee wrote: Just watched Wrestlemania I. Why you ask? I'm paying $9.99 a month I might as well watch something being I have no interest in what Daniel Bryan's favorite sexual position is. Interesting old school setup. Lesser matches first. Setting up Bundy a whole year in advance for the next Mania. They made the celebrities a big deal. I thought the sleeper match was Leilani vs. Wendi. They both worked their fat asses off in an action packed albeit short match. Main event was rubbish, Studd and Andre was rubbish. Matt Borne is one of the few guys who can get a bad match out of Steamboat. With all that thought, ultimately I kinda enjoyed it.
You know what's funny..... at the time, my god, the old school guys were having a fit about Wrestlemania and how cartoony things were becoming and this wasn't what wrestling was about, dammit.  

You go back and watch that card, with the red, white and blue ropes and the old school feel of Madison Square Garden, and the no-nonsense interviews in the hallway behind the curtain, and no pyro, no TitanTron, no ridiculous entrances or music, no bullshit zoom-in/zoom-out shaky camera on big moves, announcers that actually sounded like they weren't reading a pre-rehearsed advertisement, wrestlers that wore my god white trunks or blue trunks, every single wrestler didn't basically look like the same guy just with different arms tats, no "General Managers" at ringside, ...I could go on.

But, my point is, that original Wrestlemania is a lot closer in concept to Ivan Koloff vs. Bruno or even Bruno vs. Buddy than the difference between today's wrestling and the first Wrestlemania.  

I don't know where it fell off the cliff.  I know for me, it was sometime around 2002/2003.  Yeah, I'm with you.  I'll go back and watch stuff from 1985 any day of the week.  I'm an old fogey I guess.

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St Louis fans are treated to the Hulk falling to a surprising foe, The Samoans clashing with Adonis/Murdoch/Studd in a broken ring, Bob Orton grappling with a legend, The Freebirds doing their thing, plus Kamala, Patera, JYD, Ventura, Schultz and some horrible commentary. Join me in the suffering!

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St Louis fans are treated to Hulk Hogan brawling with George Steele, Tito Santana testing his mettle with Mr. Wonderful, Wendi Richter fending off the wicked Fabulous Moolah, Sgt. Slaughter defending America from the attacks of commie scum, plus Beefcake, the Spoiler, JYD, Kamala and others all appear in action...

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Philly fans entered the Spectrum to see if Andre's giant fist could close Roddy's big mouth, plus the Samoans chase down Murdoch and Adonis, The Hammer is tested by Rocky Johnson, Polish Power meets Jesse Ventura, David Schultz appears to shoot on a jobber, a WWF champion suffers a career ending injury, Dick Graham delivers some terrible commentary and more action.....

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September of 1984 saw the Freebirds fly out of the WWF, A major star's career is cut short due to a sudden medical incident, A former NWA champ debuts for Vince, Dusty positions himself as Flair's top contender, The Brain is banished from the AWA, a former world champ leaves Verne's roster, two all-time great teams clash in Chicago, Pro Wrestling USA debuts, Lawler teams with a long time foe, The AWA sabotages the Von Erichs expansion plans, A major heel turn rocks Texas, Watts attempts to replace JYD with Master Gee, Cornette is scalped, 34,000 fans witness a Puerto Rican Stadium supercard, JCP loses a top star to Vince and many more news and results!

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Jimmy Garvin covers his early days as a teenage manager, death threats from fans, fighting Danny Hodge, creating a gimmick that was ahead of it's time, the nutty WCCW fans, debauchery with the Freebirds, booking while drunk, why he left WCCW while business was still booming, how the Road Warriors handled being asked to job to Garvin, why the AWA feared Garvin would not be professional, how one of the WWF's biggest stars stole his gimmick, the day a hurricane hit his house, why he hated his JCP babyface run, why he never went to the WWF, and much more!

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Toronto fans are offered up a rather pitiful card, full of bad refereeing, poor announcing, lousy matches, and botches...all sort of saved by a double main event of Andre the Giant facing Kamala and Sgt. Slaughter brawling with the Iron Sheik....this was a rough one to get through....

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Just watched the 1-18-1986 NWA Saturday Night Show. Was very surprised to see "Ray Taylor" gets squashed by the Barbarian (and I mean a very impressive squash including Barbarian power slamming him and then hitting him with the diving headbutt from 3/4 across the ring). Ray Taylor (or Traylor) was of course later on Big Bubba and then Bossman. He looked green as green can be here.

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Watching Survivor Series '88 right now to get into the Turkey Day mood. Just watched the first match. Warrior was the lone survivor. Bad News walked out on his teammates. Brunzell ditched the bees tights for the tie-dyed tights from his AWA days. Owen Hart got his testicles busted by Valentine's skull. Danny Davis was eliminated in about one minute. Good stuff.

On to the tag match.

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Just finished the 20-man tag match. Phenomenal million-dollar booking all the way. First 20 minutes were about as fast-paced and exciting as anything you could ever want. Tully Blanchard was gold, tagging in and then tagging right back out instead of facing the Barbarian. Dynamite and Jacques Rougeau were in there together for a bit without killing each other too. Rougeaus were the first to be eliminated though, so they had time to high-tail it out. Demo/Powers of Pain finish seemed ok to me, but I can see how it may have been confusing to people in Richfield who didn't see Fuji grab the ropes initially or later hook the Conquistadors leg. Speaking of which, Estrada and Rivera were awesome in the masks. Great ending with them surviving all the way to the end. Good shit.

Watched a ton of wrestling tonight with the Hawks/Sharks on in the background. One of my favorite nights of the year. Gonna hit the hay now so I'm halfway productive tomorrow.

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Watched the 2nd half of SSeries '88 last night before bed. Still holds up incredibly well.

The last two matches were heavily overbooked with cutesy shit, but it was all majestically laid out and logical.

Bravo and Perfect won the third match. The match at one point was actually 4-against-1 with Bravo, Perfect, Rude and Andre vs. Roberts. Roberts got a pin on Rude (final ending to their feud) but then was destroyed by Andre to the point that Andre was DQ'd, and then Perfect just came in and got the pin on a half-dead Roberts. I was watching that and noticed all four are now deceased (Bravo/Perfect/Rude/Andre) and Jake is not. Harley Race was their 5th member by the way and looked like he was 70 years old. Scott Casey was on the other team because Brian Blair had quit beforehand.

The main event saw Hogan and Savage survive after Bossman was counted out, Akeem was DQ'd, Hogan was handcuffed to the ropes, Liz pick-pocketed the keys out of Slick's suit after he got knocked off the apron, and then Hogan gave her a hug and Savage went apeshit in the biggest foreshadowing ever without any acknowledgment from Gorilla and Jesse.

Speaking of the announcing, it was much easier to listen to than later combination of Gorilla and Heenan.
Great show.

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Survivor Series '89 on the network, and hoping later today some of the early ECW shows. Always enjoy Terry Funk on commentary.

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Blazer wrote: Watching Survivor Series '88 right now to get into the Turkey Day mood. Just watched the first match. Warrior was the lone survivor. Bad News walked out on his teammates. Brunzell ditched the bees tights for the tie-dyed tights from his AWA days. Owen Hart got his testicles busted by Valentine's skull. Danny Davis was eliminated in about one minute. Good stuff.

On to the tag match.

Dag, I was watching Survivor Series '87 Wednesday night as well.  I really like those first 4 or 5.

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I've been watching episodes of Monday night raw from October and November of 94.

Backlund turned heel and will meet Bret at survivor series.

Bret, Owen, Davey and the anvil are battling.

Yoko and the undertaker are building to survivor series.

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Macho on commentary with Vince

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Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Watching Survivor Series '88 right now to get into the Turkey Day mood. Just watched the first match. Warrior was the lone survivor. Bad News walked out on his teammates. Brunzell ditched the bees tights for the tie-dyed tights from his AWA days. Owen Hart got his testicles busted by Valentine's skull. Danny Davis was eliminated in about one minute. Good stuff.

On to the tag match.

Dag, I was watching Survivor Series '87 Wednesday night as well.  I really like those first 4 or 5.

Go back and watch Rick Rude in the main Event of the 1st Survivor Series.  He got his ass kicked by everyone on Hogan's team twice.  Took every bump imaginable.  I mean, he had no choice when everyone else on his team was 500 lbs but still.  Gold, Jerry, gold.

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I may re-watch the '87 Survivor Series tonight. I just can't stand that ladies match though :)

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nyhack56 wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Watching Survivor Series '88 right now to get into the Turkey Day mood. Just watched the first match. Warrior was the lone survivor. Bad News walked out on his teammates. Brunzell ditched the bees tights for the tie-dyed tights from his AWA days. Owen Hart got his testicles busted by Valentine's skull. Danny Davis was eliminated in about one minute. Good stuff.

On to the tag match.

Dag, I was watching Survivor Series '87 Wednesday night as well.  I really like those first 4 or 5.

Go back and watch Rick Rude in the main Event of the 1st Survivor Series.  He got his ass kicked by everyone on Hogan's team twice.  Took every bump imaginable.  I mean, he had no choice when everyone else on his team was 500 lbs but still.  Gold, Jerry, gold.

Ha!  I've been watching the 87-89 Survivor Series shows this week as well. They hold up really well, and the tag team elimination matches from the first two are a lot of fun. 


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It's amazing how great the stuff holds up. Part of that was due to the booking and part was due to the larger than life characters. Give credit to the production and the announcing on the broadcasts. Just love that era of PPV.

(Also, since there was only one PPV every four months and no Raws giving away matches every week on tv, the events were really special). Specific to Survivor Series, seeing all of those guys in the ring at the same time was just something you never saw, ever, on tv. It really was an incredible idea that is probably lost on newer fans.

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Baron Von Raschke covers his early days as an Olympian, being a teacher, how he was given the Nazi gimmick, who taught him the claw, training with Verne Gagne, how Mad Dog Vachon almost scared the Baron into retirement, dealing with Bill Watts, heat with the Road Warriors, his brief run with the WWF in the late 80's, and more!

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Philly fans were treated to a wild tag team encounter featuring the JYD and Sgt. Slaughter clashing with Nikolai Volkoff and the Iron Sheik (I linked the video - it's that good), plus World Champ Hulk Hogan attempts to bully the massive Big John Studd, the undercard sees Ken Patera, Greg Valentine and Brutus Beefcake battle some underdogs, plus and early appearance from David Sammartino.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/mlg-92384/

Toronto fans are offered up a rather pitiful card, full of bad refereeing, poor announcing, lousy matches, and botches...all sort of saved by a double main event of Andre the Giant facing Kamala and Sgt. Slaughter brawling with the Iron Sheik....this was a rough one to get through....

When I first watched it I legit LOL'd at the Volkoff/Cummings match.  I could never tell if Volkoff stiffed him on the clothesline or Cummings knocked himself out on a bad bump but I remember Nikolai's shit eating grin after that match to this day.

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broke wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/mlg-92384/

Toronto fans are offered up a rather pitiful card, full of bad refereeing, poor announcing, lousy matches, and botches...all sort of saved by a double main event of Andre the Giant facing Kamala and Sgt. Slaughter brawling with the Iron Sheik....this was a rough one to get through....

When I first watched it I legit LOL'd at the Volkoff/Cummings match.  I could never tell if Volkoff stiffed him on the clothesline or Cummings knocked himself out on a bad bump but I remember Nikolai's shit eating grin after that match to this day.
The guy looked an extra from Roseanne or something....

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WCCW presents a big card from the Cotton Bowl which sees Kevin Von Erich clash with Chris Adams, Mixed tag team shenanigans as trucker Stella Mae French teams with Mike Von Erich to engage in battle with Nicola Roberts and Gino Hernandez, Kerry Von Erich teams with Mike to face off with the Dynamic Duo and Jake the Snake, plus the Missing Link, the Fantastics, Butch Reed and other top stars of the era appear. The fans are HOT and the show features some unique showmanship as well as a dramatically executed kayfabe injury angle!

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Jim Cornette and Paul "Percy Pringle" Bearer come together for this recently released shoot interview which covers how Eddie Graham's death affected the business, Pringle hopping from Florida to JCP to WCCW to the WWF, horror stories from the Dallas Sportatorium, Bearer getting backstage heat during his run as a WWF stooge, the men in power who tried to save Bearer's career, fat shaming, heat with Sunny, Taker embarrassing Bearer to get Vince to pop, Taker's secret nickname, Vince torturing Howard Finkel, violence in and out of the ring in WCCW and much more!

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The WWF presents another rather horrible series of matches with Brutus Beefcake, Mr. Fuji, Big John Studd, David Sammartino and Moondog Spot all taking part in dreadfully dull singles matches. The tag team scene carries the day as Andre the Giant teams with Sgt Slaughter to clash with the foreign fanatics consisting of the Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff. The WWF tag champs Adonis and Murdoch put on a show to carry Afa and Sika to a fun outing and the Brisco Brothers make a rare WWF appearance in a squash match.

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This week's review is long overdue, as I take a look at the infamous shoot where Ken Patera gets shitfaced as it goes along, and things break down to ranting about Vince McMahon, homophobia, bodily fluids, casual racism, and other drunken nonsense...
Along the way we get stories about Verne Gagne, the McDonald's Incident, the Olympics, Billy Robinson's bullying, Dusty Rhodes, Andre, Backlund, sleeping in Pat Patterson's bed, working with Andy Kaufman, why he returned to the WWF as a babyface after being in jail, and much more!!!

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A unique documentary/shoot sees Jim Cornette heading to the United Kingdom. As we travel with Corny, we hear stories of why Brock was difficult to train, the Brawl for All, how to properly book a "shooter", horror stories from the road, jobbers breaking script, more reasons Russo sucks, riots in Memphis, along with an intriguing segment where Jim trains rookies, plus many other stories and misadventures!

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Outstanding recap on Cornette.

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Kevin Nash fires off on the Nasty Boys and Scott Hall's shoot fight that broke out in the ring, dealing with booker Kevin Sullivan, Bret Hart's attitude issues, why Nash wanted the Four Horsemen gone, how he picked up ring rats, doing jobs, drinking stories, brawling with Roddy Piper in the locker room, sharing women with Dennis Rodman, the AWA star who served as the Kliq's "godfather", who taught Nash to be lazy in the ring and much more!!

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I might watch this one.

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We set the wayback machine to October of 1984 as we travel to each major territory to examine the happenings. This month includes an NWA feud being settled on WWF TV, Roddy Piper gets rowdy with the Tonga Kid, several more major stars jump to the WWF, St. Louis fans are spoiled by having two top caliber main events go down in one night as NWA legends clash with the AWA's top stars, 3 promotions promise to trade talent to fend off the WWF invasion, Brody no shows a ton of scheduled AWA main events, the AWA crushes Vince in Chicago, Verne screw over his paying audience intentionally, a glimpse of "Psycho" Bob Backlund is seen, an infamously poor wrestler gets a Memphis push, the Von Erichs headline a stadium show, a famous Mid-South feud restarts, JCP has to rearrange their title scene after losing more talent to the WWF, Starrcade is set up and much more!!

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Prime Time Oct 1986 - damn good match between the Rougeaus and Hart Foundation at MSG.

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Watched WM XX on the WWE Network, the first time I've seen it since it originally aired. 

It seems that these shows are regularly edited for the slightest botches because I distinctly remember Ultimo Dragon tripping on the ramp during his entrance, but now there's a wide crowd shot during this and you don't see it. 

Also, very bizarre, but the highlight package before the main event featured blood and they showed it in black and white as they've done since the PG environment, but in the main event itself both HHH and HBK bleed like crazy and it's shown normally.   

They didn't seem to touch the horrible Goldberg-Lesnar match, and man did the fans hate both of them. 

I don't know if this was cut or never aired on the original PPV, but during Benoit's celebration they show Eddy Guerrero come out to celebrate with him, but they cut before his wife and kid hit the ring.  I think it might've never been shown on the original broadcast though.

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A Bret Hart question and answer conference with his fans covers his many beefs with Shawn Michaels, Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, HHH, Ric Flair and others. Hart also touches on the original booking plans for various points in his career, which workers he thinks influenced the work rate standards of each era, why his WCW run fell flat, who he wishes he had worked programs with through history, his best and worse matches and more!

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I picked up the 1991 battle royal at Albert hall show from Hammett recently and it's a good show for the time

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Terry Funk has some beers and tells war stories about Dusty Rhodes' locker room pipe dreams, Mick Foley's underwear, turning down the WWE's money to work indies instead, a bumbling WWF prop man, Brody playing football, shooting on Harley Race, Wahoo McDaniel with a gun, and other such fun!

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Kevin Nash dives into his ideals as a booker, and offers up what he feels the WWF should have done to salvage the cartoonish mess that was the era of the "New Generation". Plus stories on Kevin Sullivan, Bischoff and Dusty's booking battles in WCW...

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I got WWF Superstars from 1990-1992 for Christmas. I am halfway through 1990.

Ultimate Warrior is champ.

Mr. Perfect just won the IC Title Tournament a few weeks ago. He is starting a feud with Brutus Beefcake, I am assuming Beefcake will soon get into the jet ski or parasailing accident he had.

Demolition just introduced Crush and I guess turned heel.

The Earthquake just squashed Hogan on the Brother Love show.

Hercules just started teaming here and there with Paul Roma. Still faces at this point.

Jake Roberts is feuding with Bad News Brown.

Rhythm and Blues just formed. Valentine with his hair dyed jet black. Feuding with the Bushwhackers.

Ted DiBiase feuding with the Big Bossman

Savage and Sherri feuding with Dusty and Sapphire.

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Just watched the 2/15/86 and 2/22/86 NWA World Championship Wrestling (Sat Night) shows. This was the introduction of Flair's "Big Gold" belt. If you've never seen the belt when it was first introduced, it was absolutely gorgeous. The thing was glowing. Man, it took a lot of abuse over the years.

Jimmy Garvin just debuted with an interview also.

They are hyping the announcement of where the first Crockett Cup will be held (Tokyo a possibility!)

Love picking up on the minutia of these shows when you watch week to week. Great stuff.

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Jim Cornette is joined by Bobby Eaton, Les Thatcher, JJ Dillon, and Tommy Young for a rousing Q and A session covering JCP greatness, Paul Heyman sleaziness, Wardrobe malfunctions, the many changes in the business over the years, Corny's anger rampages, Bischoff being a douche, ICP idiots, and more!

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ECW's founder Tod Gordon covers how he got into the wrestling business, why the booker of ECW's first show was fired right after it finished, Missy Hyatt's locker room sex life, the drug scene, Sandman's party life, the night they ran a show in a strip club, how close Roddy Piper came to signing with ECW, the wrestling legend who passed up a payday to stay home and smoke crack, Jim Crockett and Eddie Gilbert's heat, territorial battles with the NWA, how Heyman screwed Gordon out of a lot of money and more!

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New Jack reveals how Paul Heyman would screw over ECW talent on payoffs and his desires to see someone sodomize Mr. Dangerously. He moves on to tearing into the Dudleys and wishing ill on their family. Plus he comments on the night he tried to kill Vic Grimes. ECW's valets being whores. The Mass Transit Incident. Why Abdullah the Butcher is not really hardcore. The ECW party scene. Missy Hyatt drug stories. In addition to a lot more insults and threats towards various others and more world views as Jack sees it!

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Power Pro Wrestling 1998. Reliving some teenage memories.

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Watched the Hidden Gems matches last night. For what it's worth if you don't have the network you can find a lot of them on Dailymotion right now.

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The Best of Eddie Gilbert - Volume One includes his TV debut in the late 70's, his violent feud with Tommy Rich, the Concession stand brawl, Gilbert's famous WWF angle with the Masked Superstar, Wrestling a fan in Continental, tons of promos, and of course a heavy dose of the never ending Jerry Lawler vs. Gilbert feud that raged in Memphis for 10 years.

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Sherri Martel covers her tumultuous early personal life before entering the sport, how she nearly became a teenage pro wrestler, how a battle royal bump nearly ended her career, low AWA payoffs, how toys made the Rockers better wrestlers, training and working with Moolah, her reaction to being locked in a room by Macho Man while he tried to "protect" Elizabeth, having to train Sweet Saphire for their Wrestlemania match, Randy Savage's massive script for Mania 7, how OJ Simpson screwed up WCW's plans, her drug issues - including passing out while at a meeting in Bischoff's office, the night Curt Hennig hid the AWA title as a rib, how the guys treated her in the locker room and more!!

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A look at some more of Eddie Gilbert's best matches and angles as we dive into Memphis for a bloodbath with Tommy Rich and Jackie Fargo, then we head to Philly for an all over the place brawl with Cactus Jack. Gilbert gets personal in Smoky Mountain Wrestling as he mocks Ricky Morton's family, which leads to the debut of the Unibomb. We return to Memphis for Doug Gilbert's infamous shoot on Jerry Lawler. Dennis Coraluzzo brings in Gilbert for a battle with Road Warrior Hawk - and we close with Gilbert's chicanery from his run in Global wrestling.

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The Road Warriors come to Japan and face the biggest names of the time as Jumbo Tsuruta, Tenryu, Giant Baba, Terry and Dory Funk, Killer Khan, “Animal” Hamaguchi and others match up with the young power houses. Many piledrivers are no sold, and many veterans are smashed along the way.

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November of 1984 sees an exodus of talent from the WWF, plus Snuka returns from hiatus to go after Piper, Andre gets an unplanned haircut, the WWF runs a card with NINETEEN cage matches(!), Bruno returns to MSG, Bruiser Brody and Ric Flair tangle in St Louis, The Omni plays host to a big tag team tournament, The AWA beats the WWF in a head to head battle for the Twin Cities, Wrestlers not showing up to work continue to haunt the AWA, the WWF messes with Pro Wrestling USA's touring plans, Jerry Lawler takes on monster heels, Kerry Von Erich heads to Hollywood, The Von Erich Family finds an unlikely friend, Mid-South heads back to the Superdome, Bill Watts books a major babyface turn, and Starrcade goes down in JCP - plus more news, notes and results!

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The final installment of the "Best of Eddie Gilbert" collection sees Gilbert in the Mid-South, building a stable with Missy Hyatt while her charge John Tatum finds himself left in the cold. We see Gilbert and company competing with Terry Taylor, The Fantastics, and The Missing Link. We next take a look at Gilbert's attempts to give a portrait of himself to a lucky fan, leading to a goofy blow off. Then comes Gilbert's alliance with Communists, leading to an epic angle with Bill Watts and the Russian flag. Dr. Death, Ted Dibiase and others all play a role. We close with the Freebirds picking a fight with "Cowboy" Bill Watts. I've added as many videos as possible so you can enjoy the journey along the way.

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Jim Cornette takes us from "A to Z" through history as we join him on a tour of his memorabilia from wrestling, comics and toys before sitting down for a formal interview covering payoffs, JCP business, his early days as a manager, his personal opinion of the Crockett family and their faults, Dusty's business sense and booking compared to his own, Elvis' love of wrestling, how wrestling prepared Johnny Weaver to work in a prison, his dislike of Paul Jones, terrible promos, Baby Doll being injured while wrestling Corny, the subject of the politically incorrect Cornette promo that was edited off of TBS before it could air and more!

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Kevin Sullivan sits down to give his take on wrestling history...Topics include the shooters fighting marks at carnivals, Kayfabe being broken on national TV in the 50's, unions in wrestling, stiffing jobbers, his original booking plans for Goldberg and the end of the streak, Nazis in MSG, developing the Satanic gimmick, Pillman's planned stunts as the "Loose Cannon", Sullivan aiding ECW against Bischoff's wishes, using surgical tools for a brutal TV bloodbath in SMW and more!!

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Watched the 3/29/86 episode of NWA Saturday Night (World Championship Wrestling on TBS) last night. Pretty solid show with some memorable angles that were funny as hell.

This was the week that Pistol Pez Whatley turned, out of nowhere, on Jimmy Valiant after Valiant, in a postmatch interview, said Pez was the greatest BLACK athlete in the world. Pez took offense to that, so he (of course) turned heel and cut off Valiant's pony tail.

Later we had the first in-ring confrontation between Flair and Morton. Flair was out during an interview during the RNR Express squash, and during the interview he's talking about Morton's fan as teenie girls and he deals with real women. Flair was in Daytona last week, and the college girls were so starved for a 20 dollar bill that he could have taken them to McDonalds and been declared king! (Camera is on Flair at this point in a little inset in the screen, and Schiavone and David Crockett don't realize it, and when Flair hits the 20-dollar-bill line, you see Schiavone in the background just lose it he's laughing so hard and stomping his feet).

Then later on, in probably the most absurd item of the show, Dusty comes out and says USA Today has been asking why an athlete of Dusty Rhodes' caliber ain't starting on some NFL team. Dusty says, jack, when he's making half a million dollars a year, he's earning more than 95% of the quarterbacks in the NFL, he owns three houses and a ranch, and he can have any woman in the world (except, not anymore since Baby Doll has "settled him down").

Just weird fucking shit, and hilarious all at the same time. All that said, Flair comes off more like the babyface in this era while Rhodes, spouting his bullshit, comes off more like an idiot heel. I can easily see them turning both guys the other way in hindsight. Not sure the world was ready for that in the mid 80s, but with Dusty's ridiculous shit, you can see the seeds already planted for people to start turning against him. Earlier in my re-watch in Feb of '86, he yelled at a woman in the audience to shut her fat ass up.

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I got the Pro Wrestling USA set from hammetime and this is gold. They can't spell people's names right on screen graphics or even get the name of the program correct. I heard the wrestlers in promos call the show several different things. I am also a huge fan of ""Bob Backland", "Jerry Lawlor", and others.

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12/23/91 episode of Prime Time Wrestling, they are about a month into the final version of PTW (the conference table set up). This show had the Nasty Boys losing to the New Foundation via DQ; Big Bossman over Kato and Ric Flair over dale (dusty) Wolfe. In a nice bit not only did the WWF video distort the belt that Flair was wearing but they distorted the belt on a ring side poster they showed.

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We return to Castle Cornette for round two of "A-Z in Wrestling History". After digging through more wrestling memorabilia, Corny covers the mega business Memphis was doing in the 70's, Nazi gimmicks, the man who tried to blind Jerry Jarrett and stab Jerry Lawler, Robert Fuller's failed booking run, Civil rights in wrestling, how Memphis dealt with a fan who knocked out a top babyface in a fight, the Memphis star who could have been NWA champ had an accident not curtailed his career, the night Lawler fought a boxer to play off the Ali vs Inoki hype, how a gimmick change turned a terrible wrestler into a main event talent, and more!!!

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The Meadowlands plays host to Hulk Hogan defending his WWF title against Big John Studd. Plus Jimmy Snuka butts heads with Bob Orton Jr, and JYD clashes with Mr. Wonderful. Roddy Piper is on hand to provide a race baiting promo. Bobby Heenan wrestles in possibly one of the worst matches of his career. Ken Patera, Johnny Valiant, George Wells and Buddy Rose face off with jabronis and a women's tag match sets the bar for boring...

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Watched the "first" episode of NXT. I liked the 1st vision of the Ascension than the current vision.

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The final portion of Jim Cornette's journey through history from A-Z sees yet another glimpse of the gems in Corny's personal collection. We are then treated to a in-depth look at Mid-South Wrestling as Jim covers why he had to take a paycut to get into wrestling, the night Danny Hodge broke his neck, a famous heel turn that almost never came to pass. Eddie Gilbert, Gary Hart and others booking skills. Wrestling being exposed in different ways each decade and many more tidbits!

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We travel back to 1998 for Big Van Vader's very first shoot interview. We hear about his upbringing in the mean streets of Los Angeles, his gridiron success in college, his Super Bowl experience, what gave him the itch to start wrestling, his training, working with stiff monsters like Stan Hansen and Bruiser Brody, AWA payoffs, being courted by Inoki and Baba and more! I added as much relevant video footage as possible to help capture Vader's story.

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Vader takes us back to his brutal match with Stan Hansen where his eye was knocked right out of it's socket, his thoughts on Bam Bam Bigelow and their tag team successes in Japan, his efforts to get Steve Austin into a top WCW position, Hulk Hogan's politics, the mess that was the WCW power structure, Ric Flair booking himself to beat Vader for the World title, his fake-MMA battles in the UWFI, how Harley Race became his manager, the WCW MINI MOVIES and more!!

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We return to MSG for a historic night of action as the first "Road to Wrestlemania" begins as Roddy Piper storms into a Capt. Lou Albano and Cyndi Lauper ceremony and causes chaos. The Hulkster battles the Iron Sheik, Jack Brisco competes in one of his final matches as the Briscos grapple with Dick Murdoch and Adrian Adonis, Tonga Kid and Superfly Snuka have a wild match with Bob Orton and Roddy Piper, top international junior heavyweights the Cobra and the Black Tiger try and win over the crowd, JYD has some unexpected issues with a jobber and more action!

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"New Japan Classics 33" featuring Antonio Inoki facing off with Abdullah the Butcher, the Masked Superstar and Bad News Allen. WWF Junior Heavyweight champion Tatsumi Fujinami collides with NWA Junior Heavyweight champion Les Thornton, plus Tiger Mask clashes with one of Mexico's top luchadores, Roland Boch and more!!

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Our trek through Vader's 8-hour shoot interview continues as we hear his memories of his wars with Mick Foley, the incident where Foley lost his ear, their stiff WCW battles, Super Vader clashing with Takada and others in the UWFI, being in the middle of the Arn Anderson/Sid Vicious brawl that ended with both men stabbed and sliced up from scissors, Flair and Hogan using politics to block Vader from the World title, being barred from Nitro tapings, his spin on the infamous Vader/Paul Orndorff backstage fight, his WCW departure and more!

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Vader covers the end of his WCW days, the final offer from Bischoff that Vader refused, his epic Tokyo Dome bout with Inoki, Shawn Michaels sinking Vader's WWF run, being legit hurt by Kane and Shamrock, the Kuwait arrest, his All-Japan career revival along with more in ring action from Japan courtesy of youtube!

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After hearing Tony and Conrad talk about Halloween havoc 90 a few weeks ago I started watching tv from around that time (power hour, main event, SN and Pro) and have been entertained, I forgot how much I liked WCW in this period. I watched the first 2 matches of clash 12 last night and looking forward to finishing it tonight.

Brad Armstrong as the Candyman with candy canes on his boots.

Candy man and tim Horner beat the M/E by DQ

Bob Holly submitting to Flairs figure 4

Some Sid squashes

A Vader squash

A RnR v M/E match

Bob caudle on SN commentary.

The black scorpion challenging Sting

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I really enjoyed the Halloween Havoc '90 episode and have been meaning to go back and watch that stuff too. I know the Steiners/Nastys match on the show is very good....just havent seen it in 20 years.

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I watched a little bit more of Clash 12 last night.

The women's match was brutal.

Rich beat bill Irwin, I always like to see rich get a win

The Steiners vs Madimum Overdrive was a squash but I thought M.O. Looked good. The match had a good tempo and both were laying in some stiff shots.

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Kerry Von Erich enjoys a home field advantage as NWA World Champ Ric Flair comes to Dallas to take up his challenge. Kevin Von Erich seeks revenge against Chris Adams in a "lumberjack" match, Mike Von Erich teams with Billy Jack Haynes to meet the menace of Jake the Snake and Gino Hernandez, plus the Fantastics duel with the Midnight Express, and the Freebirds butt heads with Akbar's Army!

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Rhodes covers in ring psychology, why he loves his Goldust gimmick, who his favorite opponents were, being fired 6 times, the story behind the "Hollywood Backlot Brawl", his dreams of working with Cody, Vince McMahon's many rules for the wrestlers, working with the new breed of WWE/NXT talent and more!

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New Jack imparts his unique perspective on us about his illicit love affair with Terri Runnels, the rumors that he has AIDS, why Mick Foley is not "hardcore", racism, drugs, why he never made it in the WWF, what star blocked him from getting a WCW contract, being offered cash by a WWE Hall of Famer to kill a cop and more!!

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Jim Cornette does a question and answer session with a crew of hardcore smarks during 1993's SMW fan fest. Topics include SMW's aborted WCW "invasion", the WCW mini movies, the art of cutting promos, a surprising take on "death matches", thoughts on Lucha Libre coming to America, fans rioting, the real Mama Cornette, the ins and outs of running SMW and more!

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I've been watching WWF tv from around summerslam 95. They had an interesting roster around that time. Jean Pierre, Waylon Mercy, Man Mountain, Hakushi, Rad Radford, savio, Skip, HHH, Isaac and then the usuals. It's too bad Shawn and Diesel ran Jean Pierre out he was entertaining.

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I'm probably biasis because I am a Douglas fan but I thought the dean Douglas persona was entertaining. His matches with Razor and the Kid were good as was his part in their feud.

Bam Bam and Godwinn v the million dollar corp has been entertaining so far on superstars and the Horowitz / Hakushi v Skip and Redford match was good.

Overall superstars has been a good show for the 4 weeks I have watched. Raw has been bogged down a little with the president Gorilla announcements and boardroom coverage from the triple header main event fall out. I feel like when possible they should have saved those announcements for Challenge / Action Zone or Mania and just churned out a condensed version for the other shows whenever possible. It probably would have helped the Action Zone since it was a one match show for the most part. It could made it feel different than the rest of the shows.

The roof top Raw intro was cool, I liked that new intro a lot 

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The Wrestling War in 1983/84 is gone over month by month in this look at all the noteworthy news, gossip and results. Tidbits include: Ole Anderson's attempt to expand nationally without the NWA's blessing, the Grand Wizard's death causing a break in kayfabe, Mr. T almost heads to Memphis for a Jarrett show, the AWA is attacked by the IRS thanks to McMahon's meddling, the WWF teases a WORLDwide expansion, the Von Erich's draw everywhere - but Papa Fritz doesn't want to leave Texas, The Freebirds locker room fight with two legendary tough guys, Bruiser Brody gets the AWA kicked out of an arena, Bobby Heenan's surprising plans had the WWF not come calling, Buddy Rose plots to screw over Don Owens, Vince running out of money and nearly loses the war by default, the hall of famer the AWA tried to bring in to replace Heenan, and more!!!

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The Masked Superstar, Bill Eadie, takes us through his early days as a Mongol working in outlaw territories, the Georgia war with Ann Gunkel facing off with the NWA's best, learning to work heel, how and why he was given the Masked Superstar gimmick, Wrestlers taking gimmick prizes and keeping them to spite promoters, why he turned down a WWWF run, stiffing guys who would not sell, the infamous Ole Anderson heel turn on Dusty at the Omni, wacky Ray Stevens stories, Ole attempting a national expansion, the WWF buyout, WCW burning Atlanta to the ground and more!

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The Honky Tonk Man takes us back to his WWF run, including stories on Hogan getting him his gig, why his early TV matches were doomed to fail, why the heels hated working with him, heat with agent Jay Strongbow, "breaking" Jake the Snake's neck, Steamboat messing up their title match, his issues with Vince McMahon and Dick Ebersol, how Macho Man reacted to finding out Honky wasn't going to lose to him, the Warrior's workrate, being double crossed by Vince before a national TV show was set to air, his thoughts on the roster top to bottom, Animal Steele molesting Elizabeth and more!!

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Stan Hansen covers many topics including: the history of Japanese professional wrestling, his early days in Texas working for the Funks, his feud with Bruno Sammartino where Bruno ended up with a broken neck, why he worked so stiff, his classic bout with Andre the Giant, Bruiser Brody's role as a friend and teacher to Hansen, his brutal matches with Big Van Vader, his controversial run as AWA World champ and the blow up that followed it, Baba's illness and death, the injuries that ultimately ended his career and more!!!

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Steve Corino, Baby Doll, Kevin Sullivan and Ivan Koloff come together for a retrospective on Dusty Rhodes' career. Topics include: Koloff working Dusty in their early days in Canada, the Army of Darkness, Rhodes' booking partners over the years, Baby Doll getting heat for dating a jobber, Verne Gagne shooting on Koloff in the locker room, Koloff's wars with Bruno in the WWWF, Rhodes putting himself over while booking, Ron Garvin's run as NWA World champ, Barry Windham's fall from Rhodes' grace and more!

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Been watching '82 Mid-South on WWE Network...how did they NOT see Dibiase's heel turn coming a mile away?

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Managers Gary Hart and Oliver Humperdink come together to talk about their careers - topics include: Why Jim Cornette, JJ Dillon and others were failures as managers, Humperdink fighting with promoters, why Hart pushed bad wrestlers when he was booking, Brody and Abby the Butcher's refusing to do jobs, scripted promos, Hart's heat with Sting, fans with unique weapons, the best and worst wrestlers they managed and more!!

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Jim Ross, Bret Hart and Jim Cornette come together for a Q and A session which covers why the "Austin 3:16" was almost doomed, how OJ Simpson was responsible for Jake "the Snake" Roberts leaving Smoky Mountain Wrestling, JR's heel turn in 1996, the fake Razor and Diesel,the night Pillman pulled a gun on Austin on WWF TV, Shawn Michaels bombing as WWF champ, the night a Hall of Famer crapped his pants on a live RAW, JR having to fight with Vince McMahon over signing Mick Foley, the Montreal Screwjob, alternative plans for the Hitman vs. HBK, the crazy money Steve Austin was drawing and more!

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Round 2 of the best of Mid-South wrestling sees the JYD seeks revenge against Ted Dibiase and the rest of the Rat Pack, with Mr. Olympia standing by his side. Bill Watts buries the JYD after he leaves for the WWF, Butch Reed dominates a former World champ, Nick Bockwinkel attempts to outclass Dusty Rhodes, plus lots of blood, babyface vigilance, heels being EVIL and wrasslin' in front of hot hot crowds!

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December of 1984 sees Cyndi Lauper return to the WWF for a wild angle, a major babyface leaves the WWF, Roddy Piper's DUI causes a break in Kayfabe, TNT features an infamous wedding(!), a drunken Capt Lou injures another wrestler with a knife, 20/20 reveals (GASP) wrestling is fake, Lou Thesz returns to St. Louis, a legendary heel joins the babyfaces in Georgia to battle Jimmy Hart's goons, Dusty Rhodes teams with Ole Anderson- again..., the AWA loses another star, Brody pulls his no showing stunts again, a fan threatens the life of Ted Dibiase, the Russians maul another JCP babyface and more!

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Raven is placed into the role of booker and tasked with how he would handle Scott Hall and Kevin Nash coming to ECW in 1996.

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I've been watching NWA World Wide from 1988. Jimmy Garvin and Kevin Sullivan is picking up, and I just saw the set up for the weightlifting contest between The Road Warriors and The Powers of Pain. Paul Jones might be the worst manager in history.

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Captain Lou offers up 50 years of his personal wrestling life including stories on why he left the Army, getting kicked out of college, being blackballed from the New York wrestling scene when he was still a jabroni, working with Jackie Gleason, why George Steele rarely cut promos, drinking stories, nasty ribs, Bruno's paydays, why he left the WWF in 1994, midgets with bombs, Vince almost making a movie in 1984, a burial of Harley Race, Andre bar fights, and more!!

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victhestick wrote: I've been watching NWA World Wide from 1988. Jimmy Garvin and Kevin Sullivan is picking up, and I just saw the set up for the weightlifting contest between The Road Warriors and The Powers of Pain. Paul Jones might be the worst manager in history.

The 1988 WWW set is a lot of fun.  I watched that about a year or two ago and talked about it quite a bit in this thread.  Brought back some good memories.  The Horsemen/Midnight Express stuff gets good as it heats up later in the year.

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Another round of Mid-South action sees Ted Dibiase and Duggan engage in a wild brawl, the Midnight Express take their villainous ways to the ring against Mr. Wrestling II and Magnum TA, Bill Dundee plays the role of Superman, plus the Rock and Roll Express, Buddy Landel, Butch Reed and others engage in battles of good vs. evil - played out inside the squared circle.

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Blazer wrote: victhestick wrote: I've been watching NWA World Wide from 1988. Jimmy Garvin and Kevin Sullivan is picking up, and I just saw the set up for the weightlifting contest between The Road Warriors and The Powers of Pain. Paul Jones might be the worst manager in history.

The 1988 WWW set is a lot of fun.  I watched that about a year or two ago and talked about it quite a bit in this thread.  Brought back some good memories.  The Horsemen/Midnight Express stuff gets good as it heats up later in the year.


That's actually why I started watching it, my friend brought up the angle where the Horsemen jumped Beautiful Bobby and I can't remember ever seeing it.

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The Last Stampede of Bill Watts is witnessed by thousands as he teams with Stagger Lee to seek revenge upon Jim Cornette and his Midnight Express. Ted Dibiase is seen in three different encounters attempting to cease the rise to stardom Magnum T.A. is enjoying, plus Hacksaw Jim Duggan joins the Rock and Roll Express in battle with Ernie Ladd and the Midnight Express!

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Greg Gagne, Jim Brunzell and Larry "The Ax" Hennig take questions from a raucous group of fans. Topics include: Tall tales from working in Japan, money today compared to the old days, Hennig roughing up Brunzell when he was a rookie, why Brunzell hates George Scott, behind the scenes of filming "The Wrestler", Bobby Heenan's drinking, the full and epic story of the night Mad Dog Vachon tried to leap from an airplane full of wrestlers, why Gagne quit wrestling, plus more tales of wrestling wars, failed territorial takeovers and more!

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/awaqandareview/

Greg Gagne, Jim Brunzell and Larry "The Ax" Hennig take questions from a raucous group of fans. Topics include: Tall tales from working in Japan, money today compared to the old days, Hennig roughing up Brunzell when he was a rookie, why Brunzell hates George Scott, behind the scenes of filming "The Wrestler", Bobby Heenan's drinking, the full and epic story of the night Mad Dog Vachon tried to leap from an airplane full of wrestlers, why Gagne quit wrestling, plus more tales of wrestling wars, failed territorial takeovers and more!

"Gagne had wars with Mad Dog Vachon. Verne told him to work stiff or else Vachon would eat him out."
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khawk wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/awaqandareview/

Greg Gagne, Jim Brunzell and Larry "The Ax" Hennig take questions from a raucous group of fans. Topics include: Tall tales from working in Japan, money today compared to the old days, Hennig roughing up Brunzell when he was a rookie, why Brunzell hates George Scott, behind the scenes of filming "The Wrestler", Bobby Heenan's drinking, the full and epic story of the night Mad Dog Vachon tried to leap from an airplane full of wrestlers, why Gagne quit wrestling, plus more tales of wrestling wars, failed territorial takeovers and more!

"Gagne had wars with Mad Dog Vachon. Verne told him to work stiff or else Vachon would eat him out."
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The WWF charges into MSG with a card featuring a triple main event of sorts as Andre the Giant collides with the mighty Ken Patera, JYD aligns with Jimmy Snuka to tangle with Roddy Piper and Bob Orton in a Texas Tornado tag team bout, plus Tito Santana grapples with IC champion Greg Valentine. The rest of the card is brutally bad as Bret Hart, Don Muraco, Blackjack Mulligan, the Spoiler, Big John Studd and others face lesser talents in uninspiring encounters.

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I've been very slowly watching WWF on the Network starting at 1996. I'm up to King of the Ring 2000. The build-up to that PPV is some of the best wrestling television I've ever seen. There's so much going on. I love that everyone has more than one rival at a time, and that mid-carders and tag teams are able to get main event rub by proxy. No one comes off as being a jobber, the wins mean something and having the KotR tournament in the background keeps everything going so that they didn't throw out meaningless matches.

If they could combine that level of writing with the in-ring talent they have today, I'd be a very happy bunny.

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Kevin Sullivan covers the backstage madness that he endured while trying to book WCW while dealing with Hulk Hogan's politics, Hall and Nash's own ideas for the NWO, Eric Bischoff focusing more on ending the WWF than bettering WCW, the relationship between Brian Pillman and Steve Austin, heat with David Hasselhoff, issues with the Road Warriors, the NWO expanding with jabronis, drug stories, heat with Benoit over Woman, and much more!

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Kriss wrote: I've been very slowly watching WWF on the Network starting at 1996. I'm up to King of the Ring 2000. The build-up to that PPV is some of the best wrestling television I've ever seen. There's so much going on. I love that everyone has more than one rival at a time, and that mid-carders and tag teams are able to get main event rub by proxy. No one comes off as being a jobber, the wins mean something and having the KotR tournament in the background keeps everything going so that they didn't throw out meaningless matches.

If they could combine that level of writing with the in-ring talent they have today, I'd be a very happy bunny.

Just curious, as I'm big into thorough re-watches lately.  How are you going about watching this? You talk about the buildup, so I'm assuming you're watching Raws and not just the PPVs.  Have you watched every Raw since 1996?
If so, that's incredible.  How long has that taken?

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Blazer wrote: Kriss wrote: I've been very slowly watching WWF on the Network starting at 1996. I'm up to King of the Ring 2000. The build-up to that PPV is some of the best wrestling television I've ever seen. There's so much going on. I love that everyone has more than one rival at a time, and that mid-carders and tag teams are able to get main event rub by proxy. No one comes off as being a jobber, the wins mean something and having the KotR tournament in the background keeps everything going so that they didn't throw out meaningless matches.

If they could combine that level of writing with the in-ring talent they have today, I'd be a very happy bunny.

Just curious, as I'm big into thorough re-watches lately.  How are you going about watching this? You talk about the buildup, so I'm assuming you're watching Raws and not just the PPVs.  Have you watched every Raw since 1996?
If so, that's incredible.  How long has that taken?


All the Smackdowns too. We didn't get Smackdown in the UK until much later. I cheat though, I skip through almost all the matches,so each show only takes 20-30 minutes. I have it on when I'm going through old-timey rassling results in online newspapers, so I'm not just sitting down watching it. The in-ring action for 2000 was pretty average at best for the most part.

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Been watching some AAW from 2015. Just finished the United we stand show. I've never seen much of Kingston before but he came across like he legit hates everyone. Hero v Tomasso was far and away the match of the night.

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Jim Cornette takes us through Jim Herd and Ole Anderson's sinking of WCW in 1990. Topics include: Corny's role in getting the Undertaker to the big time, Ric Flair getting heat for setting TV rating records, the moment Herd lost the faith of the wrestlers, how WCW's security staff ruined the biggest match of the year, many stories of WCW incompetence, the Midnight Express' big angle that was scrapped by Herd after it was filmed, why Eddie Gilbert was fired from the creative team, ROBOCOP, Corny hurting himself to avoid trouble with the cops, the night a wrestler challenged a convicted murderer while in jail in the deep south, The saga of the BLACK SCORPION, locker room orgies, Corny's plan to use a gun in Herd's office when he quit and much more!

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I've been watching "The AWA Collection" on the Youtubes. They've got a pretty good TV run of 1984. Baron and Crusher just won the titles. Martel just won the belt. Ventura and Regal are battling the Fabulous Ones. Blackwell and Adnan are not getting along and Brody is about to debut.

There was an interesting match a few shows back that featured tag champs Jerry Blackwell and Ken Patera vs. Buck Zumhoff and Steve Olsonoski in a 2 out of three fall match.

Oddly, Zumhoff pinned Blackwell in the first fall. After that the Sheiks just brutalize their opponents. They injure Steve O out side the ring, and then beat the hell out of Buck, but get DQed for refusing to pin him.

It was a great match, but I don't remember ever seeing it before. Anyone ever seen this match? It was shocking to see Buck get the first fall.

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So apparently AAA Triplemania will be streamed on Twitch and I thought I could fall asleep to that (can't be arsed to find a stream for that other NHB thingy) and at this moment they have Perro Aguayo (Sr) vs Mascara Dos Mil and they will probably do some more old ass main events after that. Me likey

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Terry Funk sits down with Bill Apter to cover his career highpoints. Topics include: His battles with Jack Brisco, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Jerry Lawler, Abdullah the Butcher and others. How Dory Jr. fought to get Terry the NWA strap, why Funk was willing to harm himself so brutally for the sake of entertainment, the devotion of the Japanese fans, his one and only match against his brother, how a magazine headline got Apter in trouble with Vince McMahon Sr., Road Warrior Hawk's drug use, Bruiser Brody's death, who the best NWA champion ever was and more!

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January of 1985 sees the WWF lose a main eventer while he's in the middle of a hot program, Hogan discovers a giant new opponent in Japan, a nearly 60-year-old legend returns to the ring on WWF TV, a 1970's dream match goes down in St. Louis, Verne Gagne cons the fans, the Road Warriors get into a locker room fight after a jobber stops selling for them, a WWF headliner jumps to the AWA, Brody gives Verne more headaches, Pro Wrestling USA nearly falls apart as the promoters squabble, the WWF battles against some loaded cards from the competition in key cities, plus more news, notes and results!

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Greg Gagne talks about Vince's take over and Pro Wrestling USA.

Any know where the rest of this is?

How accurate is Greg's take?

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRg4sfX6Hs

Greg Gagne talks about Vince's take over and Pro Wrestling USA.

Any know where the rest of this is?

How accurate is Greg's take?
http://wrestlingclassics.com/.ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=132856
Gagne's full of tall tales on a lot of subjects.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRg4sfX6Hs

Greg Gagne talks about Vince's take over and Pro Wrestling USA.

Any know where the rest of this is?

How accurate is Greg's take?
http://wrestlingclassics.com/.ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=132856
Gagne's full of tall tales on a lot of subjects.

Thanks a lot.
It seems like the people who chimed in didn't understand that he was booking Pro Wrestling USA and not the AWA, or didn't realize that PW USA was cross-promotional and the booker could have used talents from many territories.

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Societal dynamics are explored as Bill Watts' Mid-South Wrasslin' promotes Butch Reed and JYD in a "ghetto" street fight. We also get a look at Brickhouse Brown and Master Gee, who are pegged to fill JYD's boots as the black superstar of the area. They even step right into his feud with Reed. The Fantastics are pushed to the limit of their ample skills by both the Midnight Express and the Guerrero Brothers in tag team action. Plus "Exotic" Adrian Street gives the locals a taste of androgynous life as he fights Chris Adams.

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The second part of January 1985 includes a look at the death of legendary promoter Eddie Graham and some of the root causes of his suicide, Kerry Von Erich competes in perhaps the most infamous match of his career, a talent swap between Bill Watts and Fritz Von Erich leaves Jim Crockett out in the cold, the WWF attacks all over the country once again, Jerry Lawler and Eddie Gilbert brutalize one another, The WWF marches into Mid-South's region with JYD headlining, Tully Blanchard's "Perfect 10" is revealed, JCP brings in 3 former NWA World champions to compete, Crockett invades a WWF town only for the fans to rebel against their product, AWA and NWA champions collide on a loaded JCP mega show, plus more news and notes!!

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This round of Mid-South action sees casual racism as Jose Lothario and the Guerreros feud, Jim Cornette gets an unplanned haircut in brutal fashion, before Magnum TA and George Wells head to the big time they have to survive a ghetto street fight with Ernie Ladd and Butch Reed, plus booker Bill Dundee shows off his superhuman side, plus the Rock and Roll Express battle the Midnight Express 20 feet above the ring on a rickety scaffold!

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Philly fans are treated to the Hulkster colliding with Brutus Beefcake with the World title at stake, plus Bruno Sammartino returns to the ring to team with his son against Bobby the Brain and Mr. Wonderful. Barry Windham tangles with Dick Murdoch in the match of the night, with Nikolai Volkoff, Tony Atlas, Mike Rotunda, Hillbilly Jim and others taking part in action with lesser competition.

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"The War to Settle the Score" sees Hulk Hogan battle "Rowdy" Roddy Piper inside of the mecca that is Madison Square Garden. MTV aired the match live as part of a special that also saw a plethora of celebrities add their opinion on Piper's recent antics. Plus Cyndi Lauper's charge Wendi Richter suffers a major setback, A Donald Trump dream match is booked, Tony Atlas shows his support for female masturbation, plus many bad bad bad matches.... bad.....

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More from the best of Mid-south sees the Rock and Roll Express tangle with both the Guerreros and the Midnight Express for tag team supremacy. Plus Kevin Von Erich and Chris Adams' feud can't be contained to Texas as they come to Watts' backyard for another chance to fight. Brad Armstrong tries to grapple with Ted Dibiase, but Ted is more interested in cheating to win. Plus the "Exotic" Adrian Street attempts to mangle pretty boy Terry Taylor.

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February 1985 saw the WWF and MTV present "The War to Settle the Score" which directly set up Wrestlemania, the Hulkster goes to the Grammys in style, several Hall of Famers leave the WWF circus, Vince McMahon's love of a pop song alters WWF booking plans, David Schultz shoots on Mr. T and winds up unemployed, a former World champ is arrested, St Louis nearly undergoes a major ownership shift, Georgia turns to rookies to salvage the promotion, the AWA creates a new title, the Road Warriors nearly start another riot, Verne and a headliner have a falling out, Sgt. Slaughter ends up with a very unique partner to face the Road Warriors in Chicago, Pro Wrestling USA puts on a major card in the WWF's backyard despite the promoters feuding with each other and much more!!

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Rey Mysterio Life of a Masked Man. Bought a bunch of WWE DVD sets for $3 a set at a discount store. I'm on this one now.

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martini wrote: Rey Mysterio Life of a Masked Man. Bought a bunch of WWE DVD sets for $3 a set at a discount store. I'm on this one now.
Ollie's Bargain Outlet? They always have some for $3

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"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan teams with Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy to face off with "Dr. Death" and Ted Dibiase in a match of brawny men punching each other in the face. Blood and bruises can't stop the desire to destroy their opposition.... Next Brad Armstrong does his best to have a boring match with the top heel in the territory as he drags Dibiase through a tedious encounter. The Guerreros put on a showcase of heelish havoc as they grapple with the ever popular Rock and Roll Express. The monstrous trio of Kamala, the One Man Gang and Dr. Death combine their fearsome abilities to challenge the mighty Butch Reed and his fleet-footed friends Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson. We close with a violent brawl between Hacksaw Duggan and Dibiase where the rules have been dismissed and it's a fight to the finish!

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Wahoo McDaniel covers his hard fought wars with Billy Graham, Ric Flair, Johnny Valentine and others as he traveled around the world as a headline star. He also touches on his early days in the NFL, the lengths he'd go to in order to be properly paid by promoters, why JCP failed, the unique experience of watching he and Ric Flair's sons wrestle one another in school, Lex Luger's vanity, wacky times with Dick Murdoch and Manny Fernandez, riots, the fans attacking the heels, adventures with wrestling bears and more!!

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Ric Flair crossed many time zones to defend his NWA gold against international stars, one of the icons of the NWA and WCW signs with JCP, Barry Horowitz gets his first push...sort of...., Jimmy Hart and Jerry Lawler have their final showdown, Lawler teams with a notorious heel, a champion walks out of World Class without dropping the strap, the Von Erichs continue their blood feud with Chris Adams and Gino Hernandez, one of the most famous matches in Mid-South history is set up, Houston fans are treated to a loaded card, Jim Crockett loses another headliner to the WWF, a former World champion departs JCP as well, plus the WWF invades many southern towns as JCP tries to fire back by heading into a WWF stronghold. Plus more news, notes and results from February 1985!!

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"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan takes us through his early days as a stud athlete, being broken in by Fritz Von Erich, how family connections got him a gig with the WWWF, life traveling the territories, homesteading in Mid-South, fighting with the fans as a heel, being arrested with the Iron Sheik while riding together, his subsequent firing which saw him nearly go to the NWA, the JCP/WWF war, being picked to win the first Royal Rumble, knocking Andre the Giant out on TV, the Ultimate Warrior's diva behavior, and more!

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aug 14th 1982

World Champion Ric Flair visits Memphis tv station for first time and is greeted by Jerry Lawler. They end up having a match.

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Watched a partial Philly show last night Richard Land sent me a while back...WWF Philly October 1982. Morales-Graham, Rose-Backlund, Fuji-Patterson, Strongbow-Saito.

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"Mean Gene" covers a range of topics including Macho Man's relationship with Elizabeth, breaking in with the AWA, the Russian monster that was suppose to face Hogan before everything fell apart, the WWF taking all of the AWA stars and how Verne handled business meetings with departing talent, what role Gene could play today if he were still in his prime, Pat Patterson's genius, the toughest guys to get a decent promo out of, life with Andre, being an eyewitness to David Schultz attacking a reporter, his uncordial WWF departure, what story caused the WCW hotline to be flooded with calls, Legend's house, the Hall of Fame, sex tapes and more!

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Recently watched the first 3 episodes of WCCW on the network.

Bronco has to be the worst ref in the history of the world. His 3 counts look horrible.

Kerry looks very impressive; he did a second rope spring board knee drop that looked great.

Having 2 refs in the ring for a tag match is stupid.

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saw some matches with Gino Hernandez. I thought Gino's finisher where he did the flying elbow off the turnbuckle but with his back to his opponent was lame. never saw the logic in it. did enjoy seeing him pin Dusty Rhodes clean though. that was a rarity. even if it was a 2 out of 3 fall match.

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Mid south I think it was 1984
Ric Flair, Butch Reed, Dick Slater, Steve Williams, Jim Duggan, Ted DiBiase, Dick Murdoch.
Loaded Roster

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Watched the last Prime Time Wrestling of 1986 last night. The main event was a surprisingly good Hercules vs. Tito match that had a lot of different elements cooking. Honky Tonk Man attacked him before the bell when he was leaving his match. Hercules took advantage and worked over Tito's left leg for a good 15 minutes with various moves. Tito finally made his superman comeback and worked over Herc's left leg using many of the same moves (ramming into the turnbuckle). Tito set up the figure four, middle of the ring, but Heenan left the announce booth and rang the bell. Ref re-started the match after Fink got in and announced what happened. Tito worked over Herc for another five minutes in a cat and mouse trying to set up the figure four again. Herc kicks out and sends Tito to the ropes, where Heenan hits him when the ref wasn't looking and Herc gets the pin.

Both guys looked strong. Fun match. Had me rooting for Tito to get that figure four locked in again, which considering the match is 31 years old, is kinda amazing.

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Wrestlemania 1 shook the wrestling world to it's core in March of 1985. Plus the WWF signed 3 other contracts worth potentially millions of dollars tp their bottom line. Also covered is the stories of Ted Turner and Vince McMahon butting heads over money and other issues as their business relationship crumbles, an Amazon invades the women's division, a celebrity is injured by Hulk Hogan, an infamous murder suspect nearly becomes part of the Mania event, Mr. T proves to be a lousy guest, the headliners Maina paydays cause some ill feelings, Bruno Sammartino thrashes the some WWF stars while doing public relations for the company, plus more news and notes!

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Been watching Southwest from the early 80's the past few evenings. One clip was Brody-Leduc from San Antonio with Scott Casey as the ref, and then "The Mummy" comes in and destroys Casey while Brody is held down.

I remember that being a bloody cover and/or article of one of the Apter mags as a kid and it's always kind of cool to have the memory of seeing one of those covers back then come to life with the actual video of the still pics you saw in the article or on the cover.

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I have vague memories of seeing Tully Blanchard and the Rock & Roll Express in Southwest.  I think the USA channel carried it at some point maybe in 82.  Not for long. 

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Ultimark wrote: I have vague memories of seeing Tully Blanchard and the Rock & Roll Express in Southwest.  I think the USA channel carried it at some point maybe in 82.  Not for long. I actually just finished a Tully shoot where he covers this. It'll be out in a few days. 



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Barry Darsow and Bill Eadie sit down to cover their run as one of the top teams of the 80's, growing up with a batch of other Minnesota natives who all became wrestlers, Eadie's near death experience which he says verified the fact that there is an afterlife, how Ric Flair helped make Darsow a star, Andre drinking stories, Haku bar fight stories, issues while working with the Road Warriors and Rougeau Brothers, the infamous match in a semi truck bed that led to Darsow being fired from WCW, and more! 

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Caught up on my Hammettime dvds, baseball season is over, and hockey last night was weak, so I reupped my WWE Network subscription.

Watched the May 11, 1985 World Class Episode. Texas Stadium matches...

Kerry vs. One Man Gang. Excellent match. Kerry was in his prime. Gary Hart gets his head shaved.

First part of the 12 man tag team match was next, which was more disorganized than I remembered it, but still super fun.

Here's the bad part. The next episode is not online! BOO!!! I didnt realize this until after I watched it. Was looking forward to the post match angle where Adams and Gino destroy the car.

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Starrcade '85 last night on the Network.

10 matches. I watched the first eight...and get this, 12 guys bled:

Manny Fernandez
Abdullah
Ron Bass
Black Bart
JJ Dillon
Billy Graham
Jimmy Valiant
Miss Atlanta Lively - Ron Garvin
Eaton
Condrey
Magnum
Tully

Still have Russians/RnR and Flair/Dusty.

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Blazer wrote: Starrcade '85 last night on the Network.

10 matches. I watched the first eight...and get this, 12 guys bled:

Manny Fernandez
Abdullah
Ron Bass
Black Bart
JJ Dillon
Billy Graham
Jimmy Valiant
Miss Atlanta Lively - Ron Garvin
Eaton
Condrey
Magnum
Tully

Still have Russians/RnR and Flair/Dusty.


Finished this show tonight.  Total number of guys who bled = 18.

Add to the list:
Ricky Morton
Robert Gibson
Ivan Koloff
Don Kernoodle (who was OUTSIDE the cage)
Ric Flair
Arn Anderson (on a RUN-In at the end).
18 fucking guys bled.  LOL

Awesome show, seriously.  Really fun watch.

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First half of AWA Super Clash 3 tonight on the Network.

It actually wasn't THAT bad. Some of the matches were rushed and a bit sloppy, but nothing is terrible.

So far:
Rock N Roll RPMS and Cactus vs. Guerrero Bro (it is clear that Lee Marshall didn't know the RPMs names)

Eric Embry vs. Jeff Jarrett (World Class Light Hvywt Title)

Jimmy Valiant v. Wayne Bloom (and old TBS squash)

Ice Man Parsons v. Brickhouse Brown (Texas Title)

Top Guns and Wendy Richter v. Bad Company & Madusa (Rice and Dukes are green as hell here)

Greg Gagne v. Ronnie Garvin (Intl TV Title)

Lingerie Street Fight Battle Royal

Half to take a break here. Will watch the rest tomorrow.

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One thing that really hurt this show is the lack of discussion of the feuds leading up to it, the lack of video packages and the lack of pre-match interviews.  It seemed like they spent more time hyping the lingerie battle royal than the actual matches.  Granted, I know they hyped the hell out of the card on the weekly tv leading up to it, but as a snapshot in time, this show doesn't have any of that context.  Lee Marshall was just fucking awful on play by play too.  Nice guy, but awful.  Didn't talk about the issues and didn't know the moves.

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Marshall sucked in the AWA. Never liked him one bit.

Watched The Golden Age of Quebec Wrestling volumes 2 and 3 over the last few days. Some great rare stuff there, including Montreal TV from Eddie Quinn back in the 50's (Killer Kowalski, Yvon Robert, Johnny Rougeau, Len Montana), a Bravo-Bockwinkel non title match from Montreal from December 1983, Martel defending the AWA title against King Tonga and Jim Garvin in Montreal, Martel getting a non title pin win on Stan Hansen in April 1986, some early Rougeaus, an Andre handicap match from the TV studio, lots more. Very fun stuff. Quality varies from match to match but it doesn't kill the fun of what your watching.

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khawk wrote: Been watching Southwest from the early 80's the past few evenings. One clip was Brody-Leduc from San Antonio with Scott Casey as the ref, and then "The Mummy" comes in and destroys Casey while Brody is held down.

I remember that being a bloody cover and/or article of one of the Apter mags as a kid and it's always kind of cool to have the memory of seeing one of those covers back then come to life with the actual video of the still pics you saw in the article or on the cover.

I've been watching Southwest too.  Is this match on the Youtubes?  If so do you have a date or way I can find it easily?

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The Final Countdown on Amazon Prime. Great flick from 1980 with Martin Sheen and Kirk Douglass on the USS Nimitz and getting sucked through a time portal to December 6, 1941, hours before Pearl Harbor is attacked. Made my ten year old sit through it with me yesterday afternoon, and he kinda enjoyed it after I explained some of the time travel issues and the Jap bombers being outdated. Good stuff.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: khawk wrote: Been watching Southwest from the early 80's the past few evenings. One clip was Brody-Leduc from San Antonio with Scott Casey as the ref, and then "The Mummy" comes in and destroys Casey while Brody is held down.

I remember that being a bloody cover and/or article of one of the Apter mags as a kid and it's always kind of cool to have the memory of seeing one of those covers back then come to life with the actual video of the still pics you saw in the article or on the cover.

I've been watching Southwest too.  Is this match on the Youtubes?  If so do you have a date or way I can find it easily?

My copy is an actual disc, not sure about the youtubes thing. I can try to find the date for you tonight as I think I have it on my list. mid-late 83 is what I am thinking.

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Just some quick hits from over the week-

Watched Batman vs. Superman, Dawn of Justice. Thought it was very good and better than many of the reviews.

Youtube: Henning and Hall vs. Regal and Garvin (non-title, AWA belts) from the Riviera. Really enjoyed this. Doug MacLeod tried not to get pulled down by Verne on commentary. Regal was a bump machine and doesn't get enough credit. Fun stuff.

Starrcade '86 - Having a hard time getting through this one with all of the gimmicks. Dusty vs. Tully first blood was not that good, Valiant vs. Jones, Ronnie Garvin v. Big Bubba, ...not a lot of quality here with all of the gimmicks. Stuck on the scaffold match now, which is a waste.

WWE Legends - Outdoor shows. Good stuff, forgot how fun these shows are. Showed some footage of Rogers/O'Connor from Comiskey Park 1961.

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Rude/Perfect vs Warrior/Texas [size=Tornado.]
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Saturday Night's Main Event #1 from May 1985

The opening match was actually very good: Windham, Rotundo and Steamboat vs. Sheik, Volkoff, and Steele with Animal's face turn.

Fun Piper's Pit with Orndorff.

Hogan defends the title vs. Orton (Orton DQ'd when Piper interferes)

Moolah loses to Richter with a roll up.

JYD beats Gentleman Pete Doherty.

This one only ran 54 minutes on the Network for some reason. Did they edit out a music video?

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I'm watching the TNA weekly PPVs. They are actually pretty entertaining thus far. It is cool to have a mainstream alternative to compare to what WWF/E was offering at the time.

There are some cringeworthy moments like the midget in the trash can, the Johnsons, Cheex, etc., but it has been fun so far.

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The October 1985 Saturday Nights Main Event.  Lots of utter goofiness, but it's awesome fun.  This is the on SNME I somehow missed as a kid and never saw in full.  Even watching the NBC production values of the time is fun.  Best part is listening to Uncle Elmer during the wedding.  Dude was a wreck.  I'm assuming this was legit, but he was nervous as hell and mispronounced many of the words.  

Hogan vs. VolkoffPiper vs. Orndorff in a bounty matchElmer vs. Jerry Valiant - over in six secondsAndre and Atlas vs Bundy and StuddDream Team vs. Poffo and Garea.

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martini wrote: I'm watching the TNA weekly PPVs. They are actually pretty entertaining thus far. It is cool to have a mainstream alternative to compare to what WWF/E was offering at the time.

There are some cringeworthy moments like the midget in the trash can, the Johnsons, Cheex, etc., but it has been fun so far.

Those were great days in the old OSW chat room. Totally random shows. You'd never know who was showing up or who was no showing on the PPV.

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LAF wrote: martini wrote: I'm watching the TNA weekly PPVs. They are actually pretty entertaining thus far. It is cool to have a mainstream alternative to compare to what WWF/E was offering at the time.

There are some cringeworthy moments like the midget in the trash can, the Johnsons, Cheex, etc., but it has been fun so far.

Those were great days in the old OSW chat room. Totally random shows. You'd never know who was showing up or who was no showing on the PPV.

I'm trying to stay away from spoilers from those years the best I can. It is amazing to see so many come through before they were stars or before the ascended. And it's also funny to see all the past their prime people.

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Tully Blanchard touches on his father's early days as a football player, wrestler and promoter. Next Tully's own background in sports, and how it came together when he became a wrestler himself is touched upon. Blanchard covers the many legends of the sport who served as teachers for him as he grew into a regional star and eventually a nationally known heel. The sad story of Blanchard's friend Gino Hernandez and his fall into a world of drugs in the Dallas underground is gone over, which then transitions into Tully's own woeful tale of drugs wrecking his life. Talk of the glory days of the Horsemen drawing big money and living the high life leads into talk of the downfall of JCP. Blanchard's WWF run and his limited return to wrestling finish out the interview. Along the way we hear stories on the Magnum TA feud, why Blanchard refused to put over Terry Funk in WCW, the injury that ended his dabbling with indy dates, helping prisoners reform their lives and more!!

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I proudly present the 6,329th review of Wrestlemania 1 on the internet! It is a necessary evil as I climb through wrestling history month-by-month. Inside I cover the somewhat surprising story the main event tells -something I don't remember grasping in previous viewings over the years. Plus, Wendi Richter continues to deliver poor matches amid major hype, Buddy Rose is good at this whole pro wrestling thing, King Kong Bundy is a lying liar, Special Delivery Jones may have Wolverine-like recuperative powers, JYD manages to get winded from laying on the mat, the WWF rulebook changes match from match, Captain Lou is sedated, Barry Windham's collarbone gives him CTE, an MSG janitor gets his Wrestlemania moment, and more!

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Prime Time Wrestling 9-20-1988.

Vince McMahon sat in for Gorilla (not sure if this is when Gorilla had his minor heart attack). Blue Blazer made his debut with a slightly earlier version of his costume and mask, which looked really cheao. There was an awful match between Hercules and JYD. The Rockers won a squash, and Bad News Brown had a fairly competitive match against a non-Killer Bee Jim Brunzell (back to the tie-dye).

Main Event was Bulldogs vs. Rougeaus 20 minute broadway from SummerSlam '88. Superstar Graham seriously said "brother" and "GORILLAMONSOON" and "my man" about 100 times in the match. Vince even made fun of his after the match when they came back to the studio, and his performance here may have been the reason he was let go. It's funny because his commetary on the house shows from that time was not as awful, but it's like he snorted cocaine before the show and just lost his mind.

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6-7-86 and 6-14-86 NWA World Champ Wrestling Saturday Night.

Goddamn this promotion was scorching hot at the time, and everybody and everything was interwoven. Dusty's feuding with Ole, Flair, he's got the James Boys tag-team feud with the Midnights.

I forgot that they brought Steve Regal in, and he and Jimmy Garvin reformed their tag-team, as they were AWA champs less than five months previous to this.

Forgot how good Ole was on the stick too.

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I was thinking of doing the run of Heenan era Prime Time Wrestling on the Network but the number of squashes or Lanny Poffo vs. Jose Luis Rivera type matches would drive me nuts.

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broke wrote: I was thinking of doing the run of Heenan era Prime Time Wrestling on the Network but the number of squashes or Lanny Poffo vs. Jose Luis Rivera type matches would drive me nuts.
I’ve been working on that for the better part of the last five years on disc with obviously several breaks in between.  I have the run from April 86 through beginning of ‘89 so far.  It’s weird, because sometimes I can watch several over the course of a couple of days, but then you get burned out on it quickly.  For the most part, it’s great stuff, even the squash matches.

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January 1985 WWF card at MSG.
A surprisingly entertaining Andre vs. Patera match.
Spoiler vs. Rick McGraw - brutally boring.
Card from 24/7-
Moondog Rex defeated Terry Gibbs (10:14)
Bret Hart defeated Rene Goulet (14:32)
Jim Neidhart defeated Tony Garea (12:05)
The Magnificent Muraco (w/ Mr. Fuji) defeated Swede Hanson (10:54)
Blackjack Mulligan defeated Moondog Spot (6:40)
Andre The Giant defeated Ken Patera (w/ Bobby Heenan) by DQ
Big John Studd (w/ Bobby Heenan) defeated George Wells (7:19)
Bob Orton & Roddy Piper defeated Jimmy Snuka & The Junkyard Dog (8:45) in a Texas Tornado Tag Team Match
The Spoiler defeated Rick McGraw (8:59)
Tito Santana defeated Greg Valentine (c) by Count Out (20:21) to retain the WWF Intercontinental Championship

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^ Pretty good Santana vs. Valentine match. Went back and re-watched it this morning because I was falling asleep last night when I watched this.

Hard hitting as fuck, no flippity-flop bullshit. Crowd was hot, great story. Valentine absolutely took Tito's head off early in the match with a forearm. At the end, Tito came back with a vicious flying burrito that knocked Valentine out of the ring for the countout win. I think they had a trio of matches at MSG. This was the one not included on a Coliseum Home Video, but the lumberjack match and the curfew match are both on CHVs. Good shit. Go out of your way to track these down.

Also- favorite line of the night with Gorilla and Okerlund on the call (which is an enigma in its own right), Gorilla said that 95% of wrestlers are "college graduates". LOL.

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WWF at MSG Dec 28, 1984.
This may be one of the most loaded cards in history.
This was the show where they brought in Dick Clark and Cindy Lauper to do the angle with Piper smashing the record over Albano's head.
Also, a super hot Tonga Kid/Snuka vs. Piper/Orton tag match.
That awesome (for the time) Black Tiger vs. Cobra match for the WWF Jr Heavyweight Title that was on one of the earlier Coliseum Best of the WWF tapes.
Add to that, John Stossel's mug is on camera the entire time because this was the show that he filmed and did backstage interviews for 20/20.  He's ringside opposite the camera for the entire show.
Not enough?
Antonio Inoki is here to fight Dr. D David Schultz for the Martial Arts Title.
Not enough?
The Brisco Brothers get a shot against Adonis and Murdoch for the tag titles.  (Kinda funny seeing these guys go right after the Lauper angle).
Barry Windham steamrolled Mr. Fuji in about 15 seconds because they were running late.
Then, Hogan beat Sheik in a rematch from January for the title.
Loaded show, fun watch.

Full results:
Brutus Beefcake (w/ Johnny V) pinned SD Jones at 13:22 with a running kneelift
Salvatore Bellamo pinned Johnny Rodz at 5:36 with a reverse crossbody off the middle turnbuckle; prior to the bout, Howard Finkel introduced Bellomo's parents who were sitting in the crowd
World Martial Arts Champion Antonio Inoki pinned David Schultz at 5:16 with an enzuiguri (Schultz and Inoki's last MSG appearance)
The Junkyard Dog pinned Paul Kelly at 3:05 with the powerslam (JYD's MSG debut)
The Cobra pinned the Black Tiger to win the vacant WWF Jr. Heavyweight Title at 12:29 with a tombstone and senton bomb off the top; after the bout, the Black Tiger attacked the Cobra after Cobra offered to shake hands; moments later, the Cobra retaliated by hitting Tiger with a steel chair (Best of the WWF Vol. 1)
Jimmy Snuka & the Tonga Kid fought Roddy Piper & Bob Orton Jr. to a double disqualification at 14:58 when all four men began brawling in the ring and Snuka shoved the referee to the mat; after the bout, Snuka & Tonga cleared the ring of the opposition (Rowdy Roddy Piper's Greatest Hits)
Mike Rotundo pinned Rene Goulet at 10:38 with an airplane spin
WWF Tag Team Champions Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch fought Jack & Jerry Brisco to a double count-out at 26:46 when all four men began brawling on the floor; after the match, the challengers put Adonis & Murdoch in simultaneous figure-4 leglocks
Barry Windham pinned Mr. Fuji at the 19-second mark with a bulldog
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned the Iron Sheik (w/ Freddie Blassie) at 3:31 with a powerslam and the legdrop (WWE's Top 50 Superstars of All Time)

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January 1986 Saturday Night's Main Event from the SunDome in Tampa.

Highlight of the show was a really well-done Hogan vs. Terry Funk title match. Loved this as a kid, as this holds up just as well today. Two near falls that looked like Funk was going to win the belt (closest Hogan had come to losing the title up to that point). The first one came after a Funk piledriver, the other after Jimmy Hart nailed Hogan with the branding iron. The rest of the match, Funk bounced around and took maniacal bumps like Curt Hennig. He was great. Super hot match, and this was when Hogan was still cool.

Opener had Piper, Orton and Jesse vs. The Hillbillies (Cousin Junior had been replaced by Cousin Luke).

George Steele's love affair with Elizabeth began this night. Savage beat Steele in a quick match. Volkoff beat Corp. Kirchner with some hijinx in a Peace Match, and Steamboat/JYD beat Muraco/Fuji in a decent tag match to end the show.

Lots of fun segments in between with water slides and "fun in the sun" and a great 1985 year end video set to Billy Ocean.

I eat this shit up :)

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NWA World Championship Wrestling Saturday Night 6/28/1986 and 7/12/1986.

6/28 episode is the last buildup to the Great American Bash before it started in Phily at Veterans Stadium on 7/1 with Flair vs. Hawk, so the show had an angle where the Horsemen took out both Road Warriors (piledrove Animal on the floor).

7/12 episode was shot at Dorton Arena in Raleigh (what a cool venue....glass windows on all sides up to the ceiling). Shaska Whatley was shaved by Jimmy Valiant. Dusty calls Ole an "old man", yikes. Nikita and Magnum are heating up (Magnum down early in the Best of 7), but Nikita is also going to get a crack at the World Title. Wahoo beats Tully by DQ in a National Title match (he would later on win that belt). NO signs yets of Manny's turn on Jimmy Valiant. Good stuff.

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Cody Rhodes vs. Ibushi from Wrestle Kingdom 12 tonight.

Decent match, but lord have mercy Brandi Rhodes.

Would.

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Blazer wrote: NWA World Championship Wrestling Saturday Night 6/28/1986 and 7/12/1986.

6/28 episode is the last buildup to the Great American Bash before it started in Phily at Veterans Stadium on 7/1 with Flair vs. Hawk, so the show had an angle where the Horsemen took out both Road Warriors (piledrove Animal on the floor).

7/12 episode was shot at Dorton Arena in Raleigh (what a cool venue....glass windows on all sides up to the ceiling). Shaska Whatley was shaved by Jimmy Valiant. Dusty calls Ole an "old man", yikes. Nikita and Magnum are heating up (Magnum down early in the Best of 7), but Nikita is also going to get a crack at the World Title. Wahoo beats Tully by DQ in a National Title match (he would later on win that belt). NO signs yets of Manny's turn on Jimmy Valiant. Good stuff.


I recall the Dorton Arena episodes too and agree that it had a great look on TV. The crowd for this World Championship Wrestling taping was incredibly hot. You'd never guess that the promotion was dying on its feet in about two years.

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tamalie wrote: Blazer wrote: NWA World Championship Wrestling Saturday Night 6/28/1986 and 7/12/1986.

6/28 episode is the last buildup to the Great American Bash before it started in Phily at Veterans Stadium on 7/1 with Flair vs. Hawk, so the show had an angle where the Horsemen took out both Road Warriors (piledrove Animal on the floor).

7/12 episode was shot at Dorton Arena in Raleigh (what a cool venue....glass windows on all sides up to the ceiling). Shaska Whatley was shaved by Jimmy Valiant. Dusty calls Ole an "old man", yikes. Nikita and Magnum are heating up (Magnum down early in the Best of 7), but Nikita is also going to get a crack at the World Title. Wahoo beats Tully by DQ in a National Title match (he would later on win that belt). NO signs yets of Manny's turn on Jimmy Valiant. Good stuff.


I recall the Dorton Arena episodes too and agree that it had a great look on TV. The crowd for this World Championship Wrestling taping was incredibly hot. You'd never guess that the promotion was dying on its feet in about two years.

I forgot to mention the final match was Midnights vs Road Warriors.  This was the angle where Baby Doll ran down and potatoed Cornette in the back of the head.  This absolutely blew the roof off the place.  The place was on fire. You’re totally spot on.  Crowd was electric.  Magical stuff.

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Blazer wrote: WWF at MSG Dec 28, 1984.
This may be one of the most loaded cards in history.
This was the show where they brought in Dick Clark and Cindy Lauper to do the angle with Piper smashing the record over Albano's head.
Also, a super hot Tonga Kid/Snuka vs. Piper/Orton tag match.
That awesome (for the time) Black Tiger vs. Cobra match for the WWF Jr Heavyweight Title that was on one of the earlier Coliseum Best of the WWF tapes.
Add to that, John Stossel's mug is on camera the entire time because this was the show that he filmed and did backstage interviews for 20/20.  He's ringside opposite the camera for the entire show.
Not enough?
Antonio Inoki is here to fight Dr. D David Schultz for the Martial Arts Title.
Not enough?
The Brisco Brothers get a shot against Adonis and Murdoch for the tag titles.  (Kinda funny seeing these guys go right after the Lauper angle).
Barry Windham steamrolled Mr. Fuji in about 15 seconds because they were running late.
Then, Hogan beat Sheik in a rematch from January for the title.
Loaded show, fun watch.

Full results:
Brutus Beefcake (w/ Johnny V) pinned SD Jones at 13:22 with a running kneelift
Salvatore Bellamo pinned Johnny Rodz at 5:36 with a reverse crossbody off the middle turnbuckle; prior to the bout, Howard Finkel introduced Bellomo's parents who were sitting in the crowd
World Martial Arts Champion Antonio Inoki pinned David Schultz at 5:16 with an enzuiguri (Schultz and Inoki's last MSG appearance)
The Junkyard Dog pinned Paul Kelly at 3:05 with the powerslam (JYD's MSG debut)
The Cobra pinned the Black Tiger to win the vacant WWF Jr. Heavyweight Title at 12:29 with a tombstone and senton bomb off the top; after the bout, the Black Tiger attacked the Cobra after Cobra offered to shake hands; moments later, the Cobra retaliated by hitting Tiger with a steel chair (Best of the WWF Vol. 1)
Jimmy Snuka & the Tonga Kid fought Roddy Piper & Bob Orton Jr. to a double disqualification at 14:58 when all four men began brawling in the ring and Snuka shoved the referee to the mat; after the bout, Snuka & Tonga cleared the ring of the opposition (Rowdy Roddy Piper's Greatest Hits)
Mike Rotundo pinned Rene Goulet at 10:38 with an airplane spin
WWF Tag Team Champions Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch fought Jack & Jerry Brisco to a double count-out at 26:46 when all four men began brawling on the floor; after the match, the challengers put Adonis & Murdoch in simultaneous figure-4 leglocks
Barry Windham pinned Mr. Fuji at the 19-second mark with a bulldog
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned the Iron Sheik (w/ Freddie Blassie) at 3:31 with a powerslam and the legdrop (WWE's Top 50 Superstars of All Time)

Dag, you've been watching some awesome stuff here recently.  I've always loved this card and the way the crowd responded to some of the angles.  The Snuka/Tonga Kid vs. Piper/Orton match was fantastic from a reaction point of view.

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Watched some 1982-83 Montreal/Detroit George Cannon shows last night..."Superstars of Wrestling". Some of the action was decent but it was more a nostalgia trip as I used to get that show off and on as a kid up here.

At one point Sailor White (aka Moondog King) told George Cannon he was going to come to his house and take a crap on his lawn. lol.

Aside from that a Destroyer vs. Mr. Hito match which was pretty good, A Dino Bravo-Billy Robinson contract signing for the International title, and a pretty decent promo out of John Bonello (future WWF job guy) were some of the highlights. Also a Stampede Promo for an 11/21/82 show.

Fun. One more disc of that to go later this week,

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Just watched Clash of the Champions 9 from Nov 1989.  I forgot how damn good this show was from top to bottom.  There was only really disappointing match, which was the opener between the Road Warriors and Freebirds with a lame DQ finish.  Otherwise, an electric crowd with great hard-hitting matches and fun booking.  Ross and Solie were outstanding on the call.  Flair/Funk I quit was phenomenal, although I was annoyed with Gary Hart going over to Solie every five minutes in complete view of everyone to ask for the time.  Ross had a great call at the end, “the Japanese have attacked Flair! The Japanese have attacked!”  Steiners vs. Skyscrapers was great.  Pillman/Luger was hard hitting as fuck.  Absolutely great show top to bottom. And Luger destroyed trophies at the end to top it off. 🏆 

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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/wrasslin-back-day-march-1985-part-2/

Part 2 of our look into March 1985 sees the AWA stars bomb in St. Louis, 2 legendary sports broadcasters call the action for a special WWF radio broadcast, Harley Race has a falling out with his business partners, Jim Crockett and Ole Anderson invade the WWF's territory with Vince's former stars, the story of the wrestler who sued a promoter over payoffs, the Road Warriors get physical with fans during a TV taping, Pro Wrestling USA runs a mess of a TV taping as the wrestler's feuds are unclear and WWF angles are pushed, Baltimore fans are treated to a card loaded with JCP and AWA talent, plus more news, notes and results!

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Clash 8 from September 1989. First time I've seen this in full since the original airing.

Road Warriors vs. SST: Hot opener where the SST took a viscious doomsday off the top rope.

Z-Man debuts over Cuban Assasin: Never understood the appeal with this guy.

Sid vs. Ranger Ross: Sid looks unfuckingstoppable here. Absolutely amazing moves. Total squash. Pulled out some wicked moves at the end before the powerbomb like some kind of helicopter razor's edge.

Steiners vs. Freebirds: Robin Greene screws over Scott, Birds retain the titles. Scott Steiner here is just absolutely unbelievable, hitting standing frankensteiners on both Freebirds.  Go out of your way to see this.

Pillman beat Norman the Lunatic. Good match, Pillman was a different guy before the injuries. Could move.  Awesome high flying stuff off the top rope.

Rotundo vs. Doc: Blow off to the Varsity Club.  Williams wins it.  Good match.

Luger beat Tommy Rich is the surprise of the night. HELL of a match. Rich worked his ass off.

Flair/Sting vs. Dick Slater/Muta. Good hard hitting match, ends with Funk interfering and putting a plastic bag over Flair's head, Sting was hit in the leg with the branding iron. Total carnage.

Overall, good shit.

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Should mention this also-

Been watching these MLB Network "Presents" documentaries lately. They're fantastic. They did one on Billy Martin.

Something I didn't know about. I was aware of the five stints as manager with NY for Martin. After they won the Series in 1977, Billy was drinking a lot. During the '78 season, he got into a huge bar fight. Steinbrenner was forced to fire him because it was so bad. Billy's agent actually told him to resign for health reason so Steinbrenner would be forced to honor his contract, and so Billy did just that. Steinbrenner was pissed at the agent, but he kinda respected the move and thought it was good. Steinbrenner didn't really want to fire Billy, and Billy didn't want to leave. But it had to happen. So they bring in Bob Lemon from the White Sox (incidentally, there was a rumor just before this that the Yankees and White Sox were going to trade managers). Bob Lemon took over. Here's the crazy part that I was just too young at the time to remember...

Five days after Billy Martin gives his tearful resignation speech, the Yankees bring him back for old timers day. They announce his name to the crowd, and he runs onto the field and of course gets a standing ovation. On the scoreboard, they announce that Billy Martin will be coming back in 18 months to be the manager for the 1980 season.

WTF?!

Bob Lemon became a "lame duck" manager who would go on to win the World Series with the Yankees in '78, but this was the first time in baseball history that a manager was announced to take over a position 18 months in advance.

Lemon did a nice job turning around the '78 team. Crazy part, the '79 team stunk and they ended up canning Lemon and bringing Billy back early in '79.

Really good piece for you NY cats if you get a chance to watch it.

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Watched some All Japan Classics last night. Billy Robinson and Horst Hoffman, The Destroyer winning over the Super Destroyer and unmasking him as Don Jardine (aka The Spoiler), Abdullah the Butcher and The Sheik running wild, Harley Race defending the NWA title against Jumbo Tsuruta. Pretty fun stuff.

Sometimes it's nice to turn the action on without having to listen to the announce team trying to be funny or whatever. With the announcing in Japanese all you really get is the excitement of their words for the most part, and it's ok.

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I've been watching Portland Clips of the 70 & 80s.  Young Roddy Piper, Buddy Rose, Rip Oliver and the Clan, Rick Martel, Matt Borne, The SheepHerders, Dr. D David Schultz, Dynamite Kid, Brett Sawyer, Ed Wiskoski...
It's pretty good stuff.  Buddy, for as much of an asshole as he was on message boards, is gold here.  He turns back and forth too often, but the turns at least have some logic to them.
Brett Sawyer does one of the bloodiest blade jobs ever.
Oliver is a strong heel.  The rest of the Clan at times is a bit generic, but they are tolerable. 
It was odd to see the Sheepherders with long hair & working face & even more shocking was Dr. D David the Redneck Schultz working face.
NWA Champion Harley Race and Martel have a great 2 out of 3 falls match together.  Of course they split the first two and Martel has Harley in the sleeper when time expires.
There is some Lonnie Mayne stuff at the end including his death announcement.  This is the first time I've ever seen him.  He's quite an odd character.  Funny at times and annoying AF at others.
Don Owens as promotor is a very good on air personality.  He's always pissed when someone interferes and screws up a match.  Schultz demands a match vs. Buddy next week and he tells them no because their matches are too bloody for TV and people are complaining, but they can have a match on Tuesday because that's not a TV taping.  Way to pump the house show!
I love the fact that you can buy tickets at Referee Sandy Barr's Flea Market on Saturdays, and of course the TV commercials are great.  I'm really interested in purchasing that HI-FI system that allows you to record from 8-Track to 8-Track.  You can get it for $10 a month.

It's a lot like Southeastern/Continental with the same guys at the top of the card and them continually turning on each other, but the Portland guys are better wrestlers and characters, and the angles used to create the turns are fresh & different each time.

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I agree except I always found Southeastern to have a "slimier" vibe amongst the heels. Portland had it a bit but not to the same level.

Schultz worked face in Calgary too. Him as a face seems wrong. Like if Rick Steamboat was booked as a heel.

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Read this stuff from Portland's Wikipedia page... I'd bet Buddy typed this him self and that's why there are no citations.


Between 1976 and 1985, "Playboy" Buddy Rose became famous for drawing more money than any other wrestler in the history of Portland Wrestling.[citation needed] In 1982 and 1983, Rose wrestled for the WWF, but on his days off he returned to the Northwest and worked one-night stands for Don Owen.[citation needed] Rose was credited with sold-out venues on both the East and West coasts.[citation needed]

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LOL probably a pretty good bet

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I've never bought he idea thay "so-and-so" sold out an arena. Hogan and Zbyszko both credit themselves for the Shea Stadium crowd. On the house shoes I've gone to I would look at the card as a whole and see if it was worth plunking my money down for. Ive never based my decision on a certain person being there (sole exception was Andre the Giant coming to SIouz City to be in a battle royal. That doesn't count because I was around 12at the time and thus it wasn't my decision plus the tickets were free)

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Magnum TA, JJ Dillon and Tully Blanchard discuss their memories of the Four Horsemen's legendary first run in JCP. Topics include how the men kept their egos in check while working in a group atmosphere, party life, Dusty Rhodes' booking, Blanchard and Magnum's wars, the car wreck that ended Magnum's career, the exodus of Horsemen members to the WWF in 1988/89, and more!

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Part 3 of our look back at the wrestling world in March 1985 sees Bruiser Brody creating waves in Japan, an MMA legend debuts as a teenage pro wrestler, Memphis brings in the AWA champ - just not the one who happens to be legally holding the title, The Freebirds turn heel during an infamous angle in Florida, Gary Hart and Chris Adams have a falling out in Texas, Fritz teases expansion, a Hercules backstage brawl story, subterfuge in San Antonio sees Joe Blanchard lose his promotion, an arson nearly sees a promoter arrested, WTBS becomes a wrestling hub with the fate of the nation's wrestling landscape in the balance, Bill Watts threatens to book the Road Warriors with shooters if they don't listen, Dusty plots a closed circuit counterstrike to Wrestlemania, domestic violence gets a big pop, plus more news, notes and results!!

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Prime Time Wrestling Sept 27 , 1988.

Starts off with an awful Danny Davis vs. Brian Blair match and ends with the really brutal Bravo vs. Muraco match from Summer Slam 1988.

However, in between all of that were a couple of decent things:

Young Stallions vs. Conquistadors for what seems like the 95th time, but I may be confusing that with the 600 Stallions vs. Shadows matches. However, you need to seek this out just for the finish. Powers shoots one of the CQs in and holds him up him in the old Hart Foundation finish while Roma climbs to the top rops and hits the missile dropkick. This is one of the best finishers I've ever seen in my 35 years of watching wrestling. Roma gets up in the air probably 12-13 feet and is absolutely horizontal when he makes contact and then falls to the ground doing a sumersault and lands on his head but is able to tuck it and protect himself. Spectacular stuff. Looked amazing.

Also we saw Gorilla and Bobby meet up at Churchill Downs. Ron Bass was there too. Bobby wants to buy a horse. Gorilla and Bass talk back to each other. Great stuff.

Also we saw the transformation of One Man Gang into Akeen, which I hadn't seen since it aired. Can't believe anything like this would ever see the light of day in 2018.

Squashes matches with Bossman and Santana also were on the show and Mike Sharpe beat NWA jobber mainstay Tommy Angel.

I love these shows and hate them at the same time, if that is possible :)

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The AWA put on a super card in the weeks following Wrestlemania featuring Sgt. Slaughter and Jerry Blackwell locked in a cage with the Masked Superstar, King Tonga, and Sheik Adnan in a bloody war of attrition. Verne Gagne returned to the ring to team with his son Greg to avenge recent evil doings from Nick Bockwinkel and Mr. Saito. Curt and Larry Hennig go blow for blow with the Road Warriors. The Tonga Kid's rise continues he partners with Jim Brunzell to tangle with cagey vets Billy Robinson and Bobby Duncum. The mid-west's favorite Nazi, Baron Von Raschke partners with Buck Zumhofe as they clash with their sworn enemies Steve Regal and Jimmy Garvin. Bob Backlund and Brad Rheingans bring their grappling A-games into a bout with Larry Zbyszko and Butch Reed, plus more action! Along the way we enjoy some technical gaffes, Bob Backlund managing to have the worst match on the card, good old fashion promotional propaganda, music videos and other fun.

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I've never seen Starcage, but I need to track that down. Kinda fascinated by some of those makeshift teams (Reed in the AWA, whom I thought was teaming with Garvin at the time as his bodyguard.)

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Just watched Baseball Seasons: 1980. Very well down video by A&E and Lionsgate. Focused on the pennant races for all four divisions with lots of original footage from the playoffs and World Series. Heavy focuse on the Dallas Green Phils and the Royals of course.

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Blazer wrote: Just watched Baseball Seasons: 1980. Very well down video by A&E and Lionsgate. Focused on the pennant races for all four divisions with lots of original footage from the playoffs and World Series. Heavy focuse on the Dallas Green Phils and the Royals of course.
Wow, that sounds awesome actually.  Where would I find that?

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Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Just watched Baseball Seasons: 1980. Very well down video by A&E and Lionsgate. Focused on the pennant races for all four divisions with lots of original footage from the playoffs and World Series. Heavy focuse on the Dallas Green Phils and the Royals of course.
Wow, that sounds awesome actually.  Where would I find that?


These originally ran on MLB Network from 2011 through about 2014.  MLB put together a DVD with all ten seasons from the decade of the 80s.  Got it as a present for Christmas.  It's on Amazon for about ten bucks.

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Prime Time Oct 4, 1988.

Lots of stuff going down in this episode. The first Mr. Perfect viginette airs, this one of him playing pool in Vince's basement and he runs a 9-ball rack. Later on in the show, a match from the Meadowlands with Perfect vs. Jim Brunzell would air, which was pretty competitive.

Also, Akeen debuted in the ring with his new entrance music and dancing and shit. Slick was there. Pretty much a squash of course.

Also they aired the angle where Heenan tried to sell Hercules to DiBiase to become Ted's new slave. Herc of course rejected that shit, so all hell broke loose, ending with Herc swinging his steel chain over his head and almost decapitating the front row of fans behind the podium at the Superstars taping.

This led to fun banter between Gorilla and Bobby for the rest of the show, with Gorilla implying Herc was going to show up on the Prime Time set. Also, the WWF crew missed one segment when Gorilla accidentally left his Diet Coke on the table. Product placement!

Sam Houston lost to Ron Bass in the opener. Bass almost raked the spurs over Houston's head, but Beefcake made the save.

Dino Bravo beat B Brian Blair (looks like the Killer Bees are officially broken up).

Bossman beat Koko from Summerslam 88 *(love the missile dropkick from Koko on Bossman in this match though).

Fun stuff. The Gorilla/Bobby chemistry is awesome. They're also starting to hype the Sugar Ray Leonard boxing match they would help promote on PPV in November.

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Blazer wrote:  They're also starting to hype the Sugar Ray Leonard boxing match they would help promote on PPV in November.
Who was he fighting, Donny LaLonde?

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I watched a long run of Puerto Rico matches from WWC. They sure did like blood in the islands. The fans get pretty rowdy too.

Lots of Carlos Colon vs. Abdullah or Ayala. Lots of barbed wire matches.

The Invaders vs. the Sheepherders were great bloody matches.

Invader I wrestles in a bunch of matches.

Leo Burke makes an appearance in a "boxing match" vs. The Invader, who has Macho Camacho in his corner.

I also saw waaaaaay too much Chickie Starr.

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I binge watched a bunch of Stampede today.

Obviously it had a bunch of young Brett & Owen Hart matches. The British Bulldogs wrestled as partners and as singles.

It was also cool to see a young Chris Benoit.

The Stomper was a huge fan favorite. I was only familiar with him in the AWA.

Bad News Allen was a good lead heel even if the Beer Belly Share Croppers didn't like him.

Later Mike Shaw did a nice job too.

An odd situation happened. Jason The Terrible unmasks Zodiak and the announcer, Ed Whalen, sees Zodiak's face and says, "I don't know him."

Was there more to this angle? Why unmask a guy if there's no payoff? It was Barry O under the mask.

Also I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on something. They mention on more than one occasion that they were shut down by the athletic commission and fans waited outside but were turned away. The next show was going to be on an Indian Reservation to get around it. Later that are hyping a show but aren't sure which venue it will be.

Was this for real or part of an angle? It seems real, because I can't understand why you wouldn't want to announce where a card was going to be.

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I'm now on to some Japanese matches.

I watched Vader's premier and was shocked that he beat Inoki.

There was a really wild Brody & Hansen vs. The Funks match.

I just watched a young Andre take on Stan Hansen. Andre was a great monster heel when he was young.

I'm looking forward to the next match which is from 79 featuring Harley Race and Abdullah. Abby is young and agile here.

So far so good.

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I watched the Kayfabe Commentaries Brother Love 1990 WWF Timeline last night. It was enjoyable enough, not overly memorable, but a guy like Pritchard comes across to me as genuine as he talks about what he remembers and that's always a huge plus in these things.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I binge watched a bunch of Stampede today.

Obviously it had a bunch of young Brett & Owen Hart matches. The British Bulldogs wrestled as partners and as singles.

It was also cool to see a young Chris Benoit.

The Stomper was a huge fan favorite. I was only familiar with him in the AWA.

Bad News Allen was a good lead heel even if the Beer Belly Share Croppers didn't like him.

Later Mike Shaw did a nice job too.

An odd situation happened. Jason The Terrible unmasks Zodiak and the announcer, Ed Whalen, sees Zodiak's face and says, "I don't know him."

Was there more to this angle? Why unmask a guy if there's no payoff? It was Barry O under the mask.

Also I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on something. They mention on more than one occasion that they were shut down by the athletic commission and fans waited outside but were turned away. The next show was going to be on an Indian Reservation to get around it. Later that are hyping a show but aren't sure which venue it will be.

Was this for real or part of an angle? It seems real, because I can't understand why you wouldn't want to announce where a card was going to be.


I remember from Dynamite Kid's book that Stampede had been in hot water over Bad News using a fork on him in a street fight. The end result was a few shows on the reservation.

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khawk wrote: I watched the Kayfabe Commentaries Brother Love 1990 WWF Timeline last night. It was enjoyable enough, not overly memorable, but a guy like Pritchard comes across to me as genuine as he talks about what he remembers and that's always a huge plus in these things.
That sounds good.  How long ago was it filmed?

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victhestick wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: I binge watched a bunch of Stampede today.

Obviously it had a bunch of young Brett & Owen Hart matches. The British Bulldogs wrestled as partners and as singles.

It was also cool to see a young Chris Benoit.

The Stomper was a huge fan favorite. I was only familiar with him in the AWA.

Bad News Allen was a good lead heel even if the Beer Belly Share Croppers didn't like him.

Later Mike Shaw did a nice job too.

An odd situation happened. Jason The Terrible unmasks Zodiak and the announcer, Ed Whalen, sees Zodiak's face and says, "I don't know him."

Was there more to this angle? Why unmask a guy if there's no payoff? It was Barry O under the mask.

Also I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on something. They mention on more than one occasion that they were shut down by the athletic commission and fans waited outside but were turned away. The next show was going to be on an Indian Reservation to get around it. Later that are hyping a show but aren't sure which venue it will be.

Was this for real or part of an angle? It seems real, because I can't understand why you wouldn't want to announce where a card was going to be.


I remember from Dynamite Kid's book that Stampede had been in hot water over Bad News using a fork on him in a street fight. The end result was a few shows on the reservation.

Thanks

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Blazer wrote: khawk wrote: I watched the Kayfabe Commentaries Brother Love 1990 WWF Timeline last night. It was enjoyable enough, not overly memorable, but a guy like Pritchard comes across to me as genuine as he talks about what he remembers and that's always a huge plus in these things.
That sounds good.  How long ago was it filmed?

Had to look it up...filmed on June 8 2017.

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Rick Steiner covers his days as an NCAA wrestler, how Verne Gagne and George Steele brought him into wrestling, the Olympian who was meant to be Steiner's first tag team partner, Scott Steiner's rampage in the CNN towers, shooting with other pro wrestlers who had legit backgrounds, performing dangerous ribs while driving town to town, the Steiners failed WWF run, getting heat for abusing a midget, beating up Konnan in WCW, Rick and Meng fighting marines in a bar, Bill Watts roughing up his talent, how his TNA run convinced him to retire and more!!

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The WWF presents one of their best tag team matches of the era as Ricky Steamboat and Tito Santana combine to battle Greg Valentine and Brutus Beefcake. World Champion Hulk Hogan faces Paul Orndorff, who finds himself in a moral crisis. The undercard is full of a healthy dose of bad matches (Ivan Putski), inane commentary, steroids and Bret Hart trying to steal the show while tangling with George Wells.

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Blazer wrote: NWA World Championship Wrestling Saturday Night 6/28/1986 and 7/12/1986.

6/28 episode is the last buildup to the Great American Bash before it started in Phily at Veterans Stadium on 7/1 with Flair vs. Hawk, so the show had an angle where the Horsemen took out both Road Warriors (piledrove Animal on the floor).

7/12 episode was shot at Dorton Arena in Raleigh (what a cool venue....glass windows on all sides up to the ceiling). Shaska Whatley was shaved by Jimmy Valiant. Dusty calls Ole an "old man", yikes. Nikita and Magnum are heating up (Magnum down early in the Best of 7), but Nikita is also going to get a crack at the World Title. Wahoo beats Tully by DQ in a National Title match (he would later on win that belt). NO signs yets of Manny's turn on Jimmy Valiant. Good stuff.

Finally getting back into my Crockett ‘86 run.  Watched the 7/19 episode of NWA World Championship Wrestling tonight.  This week they move from Raleigh to the capital of South Carolina - Columbia.  David Crockett states they will make it a goal to hit all of the state capitols :)
This is another memorable venue.  They did a lot of tv tapings from this building. Its the one that has light blue walls and you can see the ornamental work on the sides of the stage on the camera side.
Anyway, the crowd is absolutely electric.  The second to last match was a fantastic match between the Andersons and the RnR Express that went the time limit draw.  They had a Dusty/Magnum vs Midnights match to end the show with a classic “we gotta go!” moment about three minutes into the match.  Still a super hot show to go out of your way to see if nothing more than the Andersons/RnR match and the electric crowd.
For some reason, there wasn’t a July 26 episode.  The next one in my run is August 2, which I believe they will announce the Dusty title win, so should be good.


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It was the Township Auditorium in Columbia, SC.

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Bruce Hart covers the Dungeon training camps, discovering the Dynamite Kid, the night a Canadian reporter tried to expose the Stampede business as phony (spoiler: David Schultz is involved), the locker room fight that left Bruce with a broken jaw, Brian Pillman's locker room fights with much larger men, Bruce's aborted WWF run, the Montreal Screwjob, Owen's death, his thoughts on the next generation of Harts in wrestling and more!

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The August 2, 1986 World Championship Wrestling was the same night as the final card of the Great American Bash tour, held at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. They were banging the drum hard for that card, trying to get people seeing the TV show on a free to air basis via WTBS-17 in Atlanta to buy tickets at the last minute. From my recollection, the show featured Tony Schiavone and David Crockett doing sit down interviews at the WTBS set backdrop with various stars from the promotion. However, the few matches were all on tape from arenas, either the syndicated ones or leftovers from when World Championship Wrestling went on tour that July. Dusty was definitely there with the NWA World Title belt. Bill Dundee and Buddy Landell made their debut after coming over from Memphis.

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I'm at home with a sick kid all day, so here is what I've watched so far today:

Inside the Steel Cage

Grand Slams

Most Embarrassing Moments

Brains Behind the Brawn


I love watching this stuff, but I have seen several segments more than once just watching the first few here. 

I'm not complaining, but I wonder if the people at the Network actually look at the match listings when they pick which videos to upload.

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First time I saw Inside the Steel Cage was President's Day 1987. No idea how I remember that, but I know we had the day off from school and we went to this new video store a town over from our usual spot. They also have the Big Event there too. Asked my mom to check that out also. Had a fun day watching those!

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tamalie wrote: The August 2, 1986 World Championship Wrestling was the same night as the final card of the Great American Bash tour, held at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. They were banging the drum hard for that card, trying to get people seeing the TV show on a free to air basis via WTBS-17 in Atlanta to buy tickets at the last minute. From my recollection, the show featured Tony Schiavone and David Crockett doing sit down interviews at the WTBS set backdrop with various stars from the promotion. However, the few matches were all on tape from arenas, either the syndicated ones or leftovers from when World Championship Wrestling went on tour that July. Dusty was definitely there with the NWA World Title belt. Bill Dundee and Buddy Landell made their debut after coming over from Memphis.
Just finished watching this over the weekend.  I'll post my review a bit later.  A hidden surprise on this episode- albeit brief, its the first on camera appearance for Terri Runnels.

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tamalie wrote: The August 2, 1986 World Championship Wrestling was the same night as the final card of the Great American Bash tour, held at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. They were banging the drum hard for that card, trying to get people seeing the TV show on a free to air basis via WTBS-17 in Atlanta to buy tickets at the last minute. From my recollection, the show featured Tony Schiavone and David Crockett doing sit down interviews at the WTBS set backdrop with various stars from the promotion. However, the few matches were all on tape from arenas, either the syndicated ones or leftovers from when World Championship Wrestling went on tour that July. Dusty was definitely there with the NWA World Title belt. Bill Dundee and Buddy Landell made their debut after coming over from Memphis.The AWA ran a show in 1989 that must have aired live because Lee Marshall implores fans to come down to the arena and watch the rest of the card in person. 
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A look into JCP's debut on WTBS sees an awesome promo from Ole Anderson delivering threats, Jimmy Valiant's boogie, Dusty Rhodes being awesome, wacky music videos, Ric Flair living up to his rep as the "Nature Boy", Tully Blanchard looking for a classy whore, and other fun from some of the best wrestlers of the era! 

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: tamalie wrote: The August 2, 1986 World Championship Wrestling was the same night as the final card of the Great American Bash tour, held at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. They were banging the drum hard for that card, trying to get people seeing the TV show on a free to air basis via WTBS-17 in Atlanta to buy tickets at the last minute. From my recollection, the show featured Tony Schiavone and David Crockett doing sit down interviews at the WTBS set backdrop with various stars from the promotion. However, the few matches were all on tape from arenas, either the syndicated ones or leftovers from when World Championship Wrestling went on tour that July. Dusty was definitely there with the NWA World Title belt. Bill Dundee and Buddy Landell made their debut after coming over from Memphis.The AWA ran a show in 1989 that must have aired live because Lee Marshall implores fans to come down to the arena and watch the rest of the card in person. 

That would likely be the show they ran in Chicago...Villa Park. Aired live on some of the Sportschannel outlets. Zbyszko defending vs. Greg Gagne in the main event, shortened to ten minutes or so because TV time ran out/curfew/some other BS.
EDIT: From Claw's archives:
6/23/89 Villa Park, IL @ Odeum AWA Champion Larry Zbyszko drew Greg Gagne Colonel DeBeers beat Derrick Dukes Chavo Guerrero & Mando Guerrero & Hector Guerrero beat Texas Hangmen & The Executioner (Tom Stone) Wendi Richter beat Candi Divine Ken Patera & Scott Norton beat Destruction Crew Mike Enos & Wayne Bloom dq Akio Sato beat Paul Diamond dq Tommy Jammer beat Johnny Stewart Mike George beat Rockin Randy Att: 175 paid
DeBeers/Dukes was a paint challenge match IIRC. 

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Boz1515 wrote: I'm at home with a sick kid all day, so here is what I've watched so far today:

Inside the Steel Cage

Grand Slams

Most Embarrassing Moments

Brains Behind the Brawn


I love watching this stuff, but I have seen several segments more than once just watching the first few here. 

I'm not complaining, but I wonder if the people at the Network actually look at the match listings when they pick which videos to upload.



I find that they haven't really considered the binge-watcher with the way the Network is set up right now. Let's say you're watching a month of WWE. You have to put up with all the "moments ago" and "earlier tonight" segments designed for people who were watching the show live and channel hopping. Add that to the "last week" stuff and if you watch two shows in a row you can end up watching the same thing five times. Netflix have got it right with the options to skip recaps and opening credits.

Also, from the few I have looked at, the Coliseum video uploads don't have chapter breaks, which should be included on every upload for exactly this reason.

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Dave Meltzer talks up his past as a writer, how he was able to get promoters and wrestlers to give him information - in spite of kayfabe, Billy Graham's WWWF title run, Bill Watts being a racist, Bruiser Brody's murder, the Montreal Screwjob, McMahon's steroid trial, and other bits from history!

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