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 Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 04:11 am
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Kid_Naitch wrote: Good point. He wasn't asked to do much last year. It seems like the Bolts are calling on him more this season and he ain't delivering, though. For all the weapons he has (Gates, Tomlinson, Kaeding, Chambers), I say bust.

You're kidding on Chambers right?  He flat out sucks.  His scouting report from one of the fantasy sites I use was:  Overrated.  He's injury prone and not good at catching things.

Tomlinson is only a weapon if Norv would actually use him.  He's getting less than 20 carries a game.

Norv sucks.  Plus his name is Norv.



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Denver QB Jay Cutler.

Basically "anyone" is better than Jake Plummer - right?

We shall see. Shanahan panicked last year when he made the move (costing them a playoff spot) and I don't see them making it this year either.

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It's kind of funny how Shanahan's "genius" moniker was forgotten once Elway retired.



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They were gonna be one and done in the playoffs, and dump Plummer for Cutler at the end of the season.  It really didn't change anything.



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They were headed to the playoffs and didn't make it though. No forward progression this year either. Was that the plan?

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Lose with Plummer and cut him, or lose with the kid who is going to start next year.  Why not roll the dice.  It didn't work out, but it didn't destroy the team like many people claim.

Jake was never going to start this year, so what happened at the end of last year doesn't really effect this season.

Many people say Denver would have made the playoffs if they kept Plummer as the starter.  Why does Jake Plummer=gauranteed wins?   It's not like they switched from Brady to Cutler.  Plummer wasn't known for winning big games, so why the assumption that they automatically win because Jake is the QB, but lost because Cutler was the QB.



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They lost a home game vs Seattle down the stretch that was a Cutler mistake fest. They would have won that one with Plummer in.

See now this "we are going to go backwards for a little while" mentality surfaced after they "tried the switch" and it hasn't worked and not before. That's my problem with it. They were in the AFC Championship game two years (and were favored to win it)

Forgive me my hatred for Mike Shanahan runs deep.

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beejmi wrote: They lost a home game vs Seattle down the stretch that was a Cutler mistake fest. They would have won that one with Plummer in.

See now this "we are going to go backwards for a little while" mentality surfaced after they "tried the switch" and it hasn't worked and not before. That's my problem with it. They were in the AFC Championship game two years (and were favored to win it)

Forgive me my hatred for Mike Shanahan runs deep.


Who threw more picks than Plummer?  You can't say he wouldn't have had one of his classic 4 int games.  Don't get me wrong...they probably would have won.  I like Jake Plummer.  I was disappointed that he retired and didn't play for the Bucs this year.  When they made the switch then missed the playoffs I said "Fuck em.  It serves them right."

But...

Do you honestly think Jake would have lead them to victory over the Colts or the Pats last year?  Fuck No!!!  Shanahan knew that too. So make the switch.  Get the kid a few games experience, if he leads you to the playoffs then it's a bonus for next year.  Cutler was going to start this year, so why not go into this season with some games under his belt.  Maybe this is the year you can beat the Colts and the Pats.  We know in hindsight it isn't so, but it could have been a genius move.  Staying pat wasn't going to do any good.  Shanahan took a small risk that could have, and still may payoff later.



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He needed to make that move earlier in the season. Once you are in the final four games and (if the season had ended at that point) they would have been in the playoffs.

Not buying the Colts and Pats thought process. Denver has had the Pats number for a few years and the Colts were prone to the big choke. It was Shanahan saying "This is all about me" and making the move.

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beejmi wrote: Not buying the Colts and Pats thought process. Denver has had the Pats number for a few years

 

Maybe you're thinking of some other team...

• Jan. 9, 2005 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 49, Denver 24
• Jan. 4, 2004 - AFC Wild Card - Indianapolis 41, Denver 10



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Uh uh. You are quoting Colts results. They have done well against the Pats. The Colts (until last year) were a sure bet to choke in the playoffs. I just think the move was ill-advised and mis-timed.

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Oops reeding compreehenshun iz not mi strong suut.



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