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 Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 04:35 pm
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pjstef wrote: Do the Sox/Yanks games draw because its Sox/Yanks or because that's the heavily hyped matchup? 

Ratings due to hype? I don't think I buy that. ESPN hypes what is covers. If it were a matter of simply hyping, then ESPN might have done more numbers for their NHL games - or for Arena ball.

That's a flawed argument/comparison.  Those two don't have the built in audience for the sport that baseball does.

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BigJ wrote: pjstef wrote: Do the Sox/Yanks games draw because its Sox/Yanks or because that's the heavily hyped matchup? 

Ratings due to hype? I don't think I buy that. ESPN hypes what is covers. If it were a matter of simply hyping, then ESPN might have done more numbers for their NHL games - or for Arena ball.

That's a flawed argument/comparison.  Those two don't have the built in audience for the sport that baseball does.

What about the Chicago Bulls? They drew ratings because they were hot and people wanted to see Jordan. Afer Jordan left the entire league suffered. If it was only hype then the network could have focused on Shaq or Kobe and still done as well.

By the way I am not convinced that there isn't an east coast bias. But the merits of a rivalry or a hot team go beyond hype, that is all I am saying.

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sek69 wrote: Before I voice my opinion, let me state for the record I live in Pittsburgh so as already defined in the thread I'm not counted as "east coast" in this discussion.

Having said that, I think the whole East Coast Bias thing is just mostly whining from sports fans who live in the boonies who are envious of the Yankees and Sox. I don't even care about either team, but if you really think the only reason they get publicity is because of some sort of bias, there's nothing else that can really be said. 


What's funny is that the East Coast Bias only seems to exist in baseball. What team gets on prime time more than seemingly any other every year? The Steelers. No one gives a shit about either NY team outside of NY, and no one gave a shit about the Patriots until they started winning Super Bowls.  Who gets all the attention in the NBA? The Lakers (and before that, the Bulls). In hockey, as stated before, no one gives a shit outside of Detroit and Pittsburgh (which I'd argue has a more rabid fanbase but again it's still hockey).  

I totally disagree, the East Coast bias is strong in college and pro basketball. When Portland and Seattle were good they used to get little to no coverage and still don't. The Knicks continually get plenty of coverage and are treated as some great franchise even though they've been around 60 years and have only 2 rings. David Stern is always involved in Knicks business he doesn't do that for any other team. The Pac 10 gets nowhere near the amount of coverage that the Big East and the ACC do.



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I still say that a significant factor in this perception is that the whole country can watch east coast sports events as regularly scheduled and most prime time evening events on the west coast take place too late to capture a large viewing audience in the east.



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silentkiller wrote: I totally disagree, the East Coast bias is strong in college and pro basketball. When Portland and Seattle were good they used to get little to no coverage and still don't. The Knicks continually get plenty of coverage and are treated as some great franchise even though they've been around 60 years and have only 2 rings. David Stern is always involved in Knicks business he doesn't do that for any other team. The Pac 10 gets nowhere near the amount of coverage that the Big East and the ACC do.

The thing that's lost in this entire argument is that nobody's taking into account that sports is a business.  The NBA's revenue stream is based on market share. NYC is the biggest market in the US; so, by Stern's thinking, what's good for the Knicks is good for the whole NBA.  The sad reality is that Portland and Seattle are small markets in comparison. 

As far as coverage of the Knicks goes, there was tons of coverage, but for all different reasons.  They were a goddamned train wreck this year.  Negative stories was 90% of their coverage.  Choosing between that type of coverage and no coverage, I'd take no coverage every single time.



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Does anyone have a breakdown of how many dates for National College basketball games on ESPN/ABC/CBS are shown for say the ACC vs Big East vs SEC vs Big 12 vs Big 10 vs Pac 10 for last year?

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: silentkiller wrote: I totally disagree, the East Coast bias is strong in college and pro basketball. When Portland and Seattle were good they used to get little to no coverage and still don't. The Knicks continually get plenty of coverage and are treated as some great franchise even though they've been around 60 years and have only 2 rings. David Stern is always involved in Knicks business he doesn't do that for any other team. The Pac 10 gets nowhere near the amount of coverage that the Big East and the ACC do.

The thing that's lost in this entire argument is that nobody's taking into account that sports is a business.  The NBA's revenue stream is based on market share. NYC is the biggest market in the US; so, by Stern's thinking, what's good for the Knicks is good for the whole NBA.  The sad reality is that Portland and Seattle are small markets in comparison. 

As far as coverage of the Knicks goes, there was tons of coverage, but for all different reasons.  They were a goddamned train wreck this year.  Negative stories was 90% of their coverage.  Choosing between that type of coverage and no coverage, I'd take no coverage every single time.

The Knicks suck and have sucked for the last bunch of years and they always had a ton of coverage even before it's a trainwreck. The Knicks are always presented as some sort of great franchise even though they only have 2 championships in 60 years. The San Antonio Spurs have a better history than the Knicks and are one of the top teams in the league this decade and they have had anywhere near the coverage the Knicks have had.



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Principal_Raditch wrote: Does anyone have a breakdown of how many dates for National College basketball games on ESPN/ABC/CBS are shown for say the ACC vs Big East vs SEC vs Big 12 vs Big 10 vs Pac 10 for last year?

I'd like to see those numbers as well.  Right now, everybody's just guessing. 



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thunderbolt wrote: I still say that a significant factor in this perception is that the whole country can watch east coast sports events as regularly scheduled and most prime time evening events on the west coast take place too late to capture a large viewing audience in the east.

I think that's a HUGE part of this perception.  Hell, I didn't even know who won last night's Red Sox @ Mariners game when I got the paper this morning, because it got over too late fot the Globe to report it.     



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JB5 wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: Absolutely, it exists. It's even worse now that New York and/or Boston teams dominate three of the four major leagues (thank God for the NHL, which the US media outside of Detroit ignores).

I'd add Pittsburgh and Buffalo to the US Media that cares about the NHL.

the flyers get major media coverage from philly/s.jersey area. in fact, the nhl gets major coverage in cities that supports an nhl team.



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Just noticed this...

Nah, no east coast bias - not at all.  MLB does it itself.  Note that Yanks/Red Sox thing is static, not like it rotates thru today's games at all.  Let's skip a day.


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OK, assume that MLB, ESPN whatever is in this business to maximize profit.

Why would they think that people just do not care as much about the westcoast MLB teams? Obviously they must think that way, as they would not turn down the exposure if they thought it would earn them more.

In the NBA coverage I hear a lot more about the Lakers than I do about the Dodgers in MLB coverage. I don't take it as bias, but rather that they feel that more fans overall would rather hear about the Lakers. I don't think it is an attempt to squeeze anyone out.


Maybe the west coast is just not perceived as a hotbed for baseball?

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BigJ wrote: Just noticed this...

Nah, no east coast bias - not at all.  MLB does it itself.  Note that Yanks/Red Sox thing is static, not like it rotates thru today's games at all.  Let's skip a day.



i would have this as the lead headline myself. i would change the headline however, saying that you have 3 teams within 1 game of the division lead.



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Hey, shouldn't we be doing an online chat for Game 1 of the Red Sox/Yanks series.

Oh crap...fanning the flames...sorry. 



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