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 Posted: Tue Feb 24th, 2015 09:58 pm
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Tamalie, thanks for all the details you're providing in this thread. Great information. I have a question for you. When were 1984's title changes revealed to the public? Granted, we've only got 4 title changes the entire year, an amazing fact to consider today.

Hogan wins the WWF title from the Iron Sheik
Santana wins the IC title from Muraco
Adonis and Murdoch win the tag titles from Johnson and Atlas
Valentine wins the IC title from Santana

The first two took place on house shows, the latter two took place during TV tapings. I know that the Hogan title switch was loudly trumpted the following weekend on TV, likely because they wanted to get the ball rolling on selling tickets for cards with Hogan in the main event. I can't remember how soon after Santana's win in Boston that TV viewers were informed of that fact, but I seem to remember (I was just shy of my 13th birthday at the time) that they also did an insert into the syndicated shows to announce his victory.

The tag title change wasn't aired for a few weeks after it was taped and I thought I remember reading somewhere that they didn't bill Adonis and Murdoch as champs until after it aired. Can you confirm or correct this?

I have no idea about Valentine's win. I do know that I saw a house show in Buffalo two days after the Brantford taping where he beat Santana, and Valentine came to the ring with the belt and was announced as the new champ, so I assume he was billed as champ right from day 1, but given the fact that Buffalo's less than 2 hours from Brantford, there may have been some kayfabe worries over fans attending both shows. Once they got out of the area, perhaps they were a little quieter about the title change until it could air on TV.

Can you add anything to this topic? There were also the Atlas/Johnson (December, 1983) and Windham/Rotunda (January, 1985) title changes in the same time frame. Were they handled the same as the Adonia/Murdoch victory?



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 Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2015 09:42 am
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Ok- finishing up the April 14th episode, and Jose Gonzalez is going to get a win over a jobber, Tony Colon.

Is Gonzalez the other Invader? And, is this the guy who killed Brody??



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Blazer, please keep on posting your thoughts on the shows. I'm glad to fill in the margins with additional information.

Regarding the lag in time between title change tapings and airings, it broke down like this in late 1983 and into 1984.

- Tony Atlas and Rocky Johnson defeated The Wild Samoans in Allentown, PA on November 15, 1983 to win the WWF Tag Team Title with the match airing December 10, 1983

- Hulk Hogan defeated The Iron Sheik to win the WWF Championship on January 23, 1984 in New York with the match airing January 28, 1984

- Tito Santana defeated Magnificent Muraco in Boston for the Intercontinental Title on February 11, 1984 with the edited match airing February 25, 1984

- Adrian Adonis and Dick Murdoch defeated The Wild Samoans for the WWF Tag Team Title on April 17, 1984 in Allentown, PA with the match airing May 26, 1984

- Greg Valentine defeated Tito Santana for the Intercontinental Title in London, ON on September 24, 1984 with the match airing October 13, 1984

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One thing I noticed regarding the title wins, and Tamalie mentioned it breaking down also, was that the interview insets did not synch up with the TV tapings or the house shows. In fact, I believe they taped some of the interview insets ahead of time and then screwed up airing them early. I swear the set I am watching has an interview with Okerlund announcing the Hogan title win and airing the weekend before it was supposed to happen at MSG. Also, the Santana win was mentioned in the interview insets but wasn't recognized on the arena taping for several weeks. It did seek like a logistical mess at the time.



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Blazer wrote: One thing I noticed regarding the title wins, and Tamalie mentioned it breaking down also, was that the interview insets did not synch up with the TV tapings or the house shows. In fact, I believe they taped some of the interview insets ahead of time and then screwed up airing them early. I swear the set I am watching has an interview with Okerlund announcing the Hogan title win and airing the weekend before it was supposed to happen at MSG. Also, the Santana win was mentioned in the interview insets but wasn't recognized on the arena taping for several weeks. It did seek like a logistical mess at the time.
That's because the LA tapings were 2 weeks behind until about the summer of 1984. In the East Coast that problem didn't exist.



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Just finished the April 21st episode. Backlund does an interview with Okerlund for an upcoming card at MSg (April 23 vs. Valentine) and talks about how he's been helping out with the Special Olympics and going around talking to young athletes about not taking steroids. Remember, this is Spring of 1984.

How can you NOT like Backlund?



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The 4/28/84 episode has the first appearance of Albano on Piper's Pit talking about Cyndi Lauper, and they show a little bit of the music video.
The 5/5/84 episode includes the debut of Adonis and Murdoch, who had a tough time disposing of Garea and SD Jones.
Rocky Johnson and Piper had a confrontation in Piper's Pit after Roddy asked Johnson to shine his shoes.
Some of the racial undertones with Piper and Schultz are amazing.  This stuff wouldn't see the light of day today.
Schultz gave possibly the best interview in the history of pro wrestling for an upcoming card where he was going to wrestle Backlund.  He said, "Backlund comes out talking about being a family man, well we're family men too (Dr D and Orndorff).  We've got three or four families all over the country, little kids all over the place!"  Okerlund "OH MY WORD!"



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Adrian Adonis and Dick Murdoch debuted at the December 27, 1983 taping in St. Louis. They proceeded to appear in St. Louis on January 16, February 10, March 23, April 6, May 5, and June 15.

Running along side this, they finally hit the Allentown and Hamburg tapings on March 27 and 28, April 17 and 18, May 8 and 9, and May 29 and 30.

Apart from one match on All American Wrestling, the Allentown and Hamburg taping matches with Adonis and Murdoch started airing in early May. They didn't go on the road until mid June. So they had the WWF Tag Team Title in hand without ever going on the road except for St. Louis, where the cards were taped for local and third string syndication TV, and several cards in California which originally just involved Adonis.

Adonis actually appeared on several California cards in 1983 and 1984 with Murdoch joining him on some later cards before they started a fulltime house show circuit. I think Adonis worked these cards because he lived in LA at the time and the WWF usually didn't bring a full crew out there, relying on locally based wrestlers to fill spots on the shows.

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Wow, I haven't updated this in two months. I was watching mostly the 1988 Worldwide set until baseball started, but with that along with the NHL and NBA playoffs going on, wrestling viewing has taken a back seat.

I just finished the May 26, 1984 episode of Championship. Adonis and Murdoch defeated Atlas and Johnson for the tag belts. It's a unique change in that it was a clean pin (Adonis with the roll-up from behind, no trunks pulled). Of note on the show, "Bulldog" Buzz Sawyer debuted, managed by Lou Albano. No reference to the MadDog name.

Piper's Pit is now focused on the buildup to Albano/Lauper. Lauper was supposed to be on the Pit this week, but Albano said her plane was late in arriving.

Piper has backed away from managing duties for Orndorff, Dr. D and Orton, as he doesn't accompany them to the ring anymore.

Okerlund seems more and more disinterested as the co-host/commentator with Vince. Okerlund really does come off like a carnival barker during the broadcast.

Not much else going on. Valentine and Santana are starting their build to the IC belt matches on house shows. Valentine wants the world title and IC belt, and in an interview even said "if I can find the right partner, I'd like to go after the tag belts".

The shows are a much slower build comparted to the 1988 Crockett stuff, but they are still a fun watch.



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Sawyer didn't last maybe 4-6 weeks before leaving. I think I remember seeing him on Superstars 2 times. I remember him being at the Spectrum for 1 card.



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This is cool, keep going.

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Thanks. Meant to point out, for the first five months of the show, Okerlund was doing all of the house show "insert" interviews in front of an empty ring in the empty arena. I always imagined these were after the tv tapings. Although, its hard to tell if they didnt just have a ring set up somewhere in a building in Stamford. Anyway, these were the interviews where he'd interview three or four guys in succession, which always kind of a suspension of disbelief since he'd bring out a villain, then a face, then maybe another face who was feuding with the first villain. So, you had to imagine there were security guards set up off camera to prevent these guys from killing each other in the 60 seconds between interviews. In the previous week, Okerlund interviewed the Iron Sheik, then brought out Santana, then brought out Slaughter. Sheik and Slaughter wanted to kill each other. I always found these interviews interesting. Anyway, long story short, this week these empty arena interviews moved to the Titan tv control center, which I had never seen before. At some point they will move to the set with the brownish/gold backdrop and the WWF logo, but this week they were in the control center with all of the tv monitors in the background.

Really looking forward to later in the year by appearances of the Freebirds, The Spoiler, Windham and Rotundo debuting, the Briscos, Hillbilly Jim, Andre's hair cut, and other things. Right now, things are a little stagnant though. The same six guys seem to be on every show: Slaughter, Santana, Orndorff, Schultz, Valentine and usually someone else mixed in: Snuka, Orton, Backlund (who may be done now).

Can't believe the push B Brian Blair is getting though.



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Buzz Sawyer debuted at the Spectrum on May 5, 1984. He was gone by mid June, no showing several weeks of appearances on the way out. He worked two sets of Allentown and Hamburg tapings. I don't know if he left due to issues with money, his push, clashing with Vince or just generally being nearly as much of a lunatic as he was portrayed as.

Gene Okerlund was a pretty bad match commentator. He had a good voice and plenty of charisma, but no idea how to really call a match and get stuff over. So we'd get plenty of "What a move!", "Wow!", "Here we go!" or humdrum facts about the wrestler. It was almost as if he was doing generic commentary for a video game. He was soon rightfully moved off the gig except for the odd MSG or Boston Garden show and he was done with those shows by early to mid 1986.

As much as the wrestling mags tried to make it about Richter vs. Moolah, it was really Lauper vs. Albano with Piper as an instigator.

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June 10th episode is pretty historic. The infamous Piper/Snuka coconut Pit aired. Must have been taped somewhere else, as it didnt necessarily look like the Allentown set, but not sure. Also, the debut of Jesse Ventura aired. It's easy to forget how awful he was in the ring. Also, on another Pit segment later in the show, Piper and Albano promise Cyndi Lauper to appear next week.



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