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 Posted: Sat Feb 14th, 2015 03:17 am
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How did Denver wind up as part of their territory?

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Denver and Milwaukee were once affiliated with Jim Barnett's booking office. When he went to Australia, he sold the towns to Gene Reed (Denver) and Dennis Hilgart (Milwaukee) who then affiliated with Verne Gagne for talent.

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Thanks. Milwaukee at least makes some geographical sense with a Minneapolis base. Denver seems like a long way to go once a month, and maybe not that cost-effective. Surprised that someone local didn't try to start their own circuit.

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Do we know all the towns/areas that Jim Barnett's booking office controlled before the move to Australia?


I would be interested to see that list.

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Gene Reed died around 1997 amid suspicious circumstances, and it never was followed.up to any degree that I heard of. It was sort of like a Herb Abrams deal, with Reed asssociating himself with the wrong crowd and one day they find him dead. The Observer had a brief mention and then nothing afterward.

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One Fan Gang wrote: Gene Reed died around 1997 amid suspicious circumstances, and it never was followed.up to any degree that I heard of. It was sort of like a Herb Abrams deal, with Reed asssociating himself with the wrong crowd and one day they find him dead. The Observer had a brief mention and then nothing afterward.Purely speculation of course as much of this came out later on but Zane Bresloff was co-promoting boxing, wrestling and concerts with Barry Fey who would go on to file for bankruptcy, owing nearly 5 million to creditors.  Might have owed money to Reed or have gotten Reed somehow involved with this "wrong crowd" prior to 97.  

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One Fan Gang wrote: Gene Reed died around 1997 amid suspicious circumstances, and it never was followed.up to any degree that I heard of. It was sort of like a Herb Abrams deal, with Reed asssociating himself with the wrong crowd and one day they find him dead. The Observer had a brief mention and then nothing afterward.Abrams wasn't a shady death was it?  Just a coke binge, right?  In a diaper, I know. 

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I don't know if hookers and cocaine cast any kind of shadow on Herb. The sex and drug communities may have been aghast at being shown as associated with him.

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I would have thought Denver would have made more sense to be tied to the Amarillo Office since they were doing shows in Pueblo anyways, and Denver is only another 100 miles.

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TerryWWWF wrote: Thanks. Milwaukee at least makes some geographical sense with a Minneapolis base. Denver seems like a long way to go once a month, and maybe not that cost-effective. Surprised that someone local didn't try to start their own circuit.
In response to your question, I looked at a map to see and think about how this would have worked. The big problem is Denver was a big population center that had Boulder, Fort Collins, Pueblo, and Colorado Springs nearby, but lacked a second money town. Salt Lake City would seem to fit into that role, but there is no direct interstate highway route between it and Denver. A Denver territory would likely have been a Portland style promotion with weekly shows in a smaller venue and a decent circuit of towns but without even what Seattle meant to that group. To paraphrase a term the Observer once did about the Portland promotion, "no one would get rich, but no one would starve". For Gene Reed, using AWA talent for a once per month show in a 7,000 seat building that had cheap rent meant low overhead and good money.

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On the subject of Denver, I always remember seeing Randy Morse as a name on the lower card in the early 80s for sure and possibly earlier. He was hardly a world traveler although he did a little work elsewhere. Was Morse a homesteader per se, or a weekend warrior?

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Did Dory Funk Sr. ever own all or part of Denver?

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I don't think Dory Funk Sr. ever owned all of Denver. It's possible he had a piece of the town at some point or perhaps ran a show there with his Amarillo crew in opposition. Regarding the latter scenario, he did that at least once or twice in Phoenix against the local office in the early 1970s.

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Regarding Milwaukee, Barnett stopped running it in 1963. We had one of those wonderful Jack Pfeffer cards in 1964 with Pat O'Connor on top against Moose Cholak and the undercard with Jack Wilson, Big Hammer (whoever he was) I think Matt Schmelling, Green Giant, et al. Hilgart started with the AWA in April 1966. Wonder if Milwaukee needed to be bought at that point. I've not heard that.

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tamalie wrote: I don't think Dory Funk Sr. ever owned all of Denver. It's possible he had a piece of the town at some point or perhaps ran a show there with his Amarillo crew in opposition. Regarding the latter scenario, he did that at least once or twice in Phoenix against the local office in the early 1970s.
I believe that the only AWA card(s) the Funks ever appeared on were in Denver. 



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