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 Dusty Rhodes & Dick Murdoch never held the AWA belts and so are an exception to the rules (hah) as they always were back in the early 70s

Greg Gagne and Jim Brunzell held the titles for an amazing fourteen straight months, defeating all comers in 77-78 (and then held it for 2 straight years 81-83!)

this is an interesting matchup

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PUH-LEASE. Fat Boy & Dirty Dick. 

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Texas Outlaws

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I prefer the High Flyers here. More athletic team.

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I had to vote High Flyers too-  they had great success and I probably should have seeded them higher

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Flyers.

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I never saw these two teams until long after they had both broken apart (thank you video!).  Based on the magazines, I would have chosen The Outlaws.  having actually seen both teams work.  I vote Gagne & Brunzell.

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the outlaws. fat dusty and dirty dick were awesome, greg gagne wasn't.

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This would be a great match. In the end though I see the High Flyers coming out on top.

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The only time I ever could stand Dusty was when he was a heel and teamed with Dicky. Texas Outlaws.

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Outlaws here.

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Outlaws. Everything I've seen of them was just so entertaining to watch.

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 The Bad Guys

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What a fuckin' joke.  Reminds me of a presidential election - too many people who don't know shit about the subject with a vote that counts.

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BigJ wrote: What a fuckin' joke.  Reminds me of a presidential election - too many people who don't know shit about the subject with a vote that counts.
 

Rhodes and Murdoch were only in the AWA together for 9 months. They were the number two heel team on the roster. A very good team no doubt but their status in the AWA has been overblown due to these factors. Being in the movie The Wrestler. Their two matches against Bruiser & Crusher in Chicago are widely available in tapes trading circles. Their TV match against Robinson and Muraco being on DVD. And the stars both men became later.

Gagne & Brunzell teamed together for over 10 years.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: the outlaws. fat dusty and dirty dick were awesome, greg gagne wasn't.
This is case in point what I'm talking about.


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BigJ wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: the outlaws. fat dusty and dirty dick were awesome, greg gagne wasn't.
This is case in point what I'm talking about.



sorry that i didn't vote for mighty gagne big J. if his daddy wasn't the owner of the company, he would have been selling cars for a living. i'm no big fan of dusty rhodes either, he was just a gimmick wrestler that became powerful over time. i just think that brunzell was alot more talented then greg, but he couldn't hold a candle to murdoch, so that means dusty/murdoch wins.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: BigJ wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: the outlaws. fat dusty and dirty dick were awesome, greg gagne wasn't.
This is case in point what I'm talking about.



sorry that i didn't vote for mighty gagne big J. if his daddy wasn't the owner of the company, he would have been selling cars for a living. i'm no big fan of dusty rhodes either, he was just a gimmick wrestler that became powerful over time. i just think that brunzell was alot more talented then greg, but he couldn't hold a candle to murdoch, so that means dusty/murdoch wins.

 

Greg was just as talented a wrestler as Brunzell was. really.

Also the Flyers were good in the 70's, but I think they had better bouts and more variety of challengers in the 80's and were a better team at that point. They should have won this round in my opinion, but the 80's version "should" do better than the 70's version. IMO.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: if his daddy wasn't the owner of the company, he would have been selling cars for a living.

 

I rest my case.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

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BigJ wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: if his daddy wasn't the owner of the company, he would have been selling cars for a living.

 

I rest my case.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

you have your opinion and i have mine.

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BigJ wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: if his daddy wasn't the owner of the company, he would have been selling cars for a living.
 
I rest my case.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.


But Greg IS selling cars nowadays, isn't he?  Maybe--just maybe--fbf2001 has a point...

I mean, think about it; do you really think if Verne hadn't given Greg a ready-made career vehicle, he would've pursued wrestling on his own, or had promoters begging him to come to their territory?  He definitely wasn't a no-brainer star; IMO, his workrate was average (slightly above average during his prime, but for the most part average) and his his look was well below average.  I couldn't stand him when the AWA first caught my attention on the ESPN shows back in 1985, and on the ESPN Classics shows today--with the magic that is DVR--his matches are the only ones I consistently fast forward through. 

IMHO, he is just so lacking in the charisma department it is almost sad, really.  If I live to be a thousand, I will never understand how anybody found his work exciting. 

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: BigJ wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: if his daddy wasn't the owner of the company, he would have been selling cars for a living.
 
I rest my case.  This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.


But Greg IS selling cars nowadays, isn't he?  Maybe--just maybe--fbf2001 has a point...

I mean, think about it; do you really think if Verne hadn't given Greg a ready-made career vehicle, he would've pursued wrestling on his own, or had promoters begging him to come to their territory?  He definitely wasn't a no-brainer star; IMO, his workrate was average (slightly above average during his prime, but for the most part average) and his his look was well below average.  I couldn't stand him when the AWA first caught my attention on the ESPN shows back in 1985, and on the ESPN Classics shows today--with the magic that is DVR--his matches are the only ones I consistently fast forward through. 

IMHO, he is just so lacking in the charisma department it is almost sad, really.  If I live to be a thousand, I will never understand how anybody found his work exciting. 

you have to remember something, greg fit right in with most of the workers in the awa at the time. most were over the hill like his dad, mad dog vachon, crusher, and von raschke. they worked slow and that is what their audience was used to. the fans didn't know any better.even though i lived in the northeast, i watched georgia and mid-atlantic growing up, more of the "southern style" which to me was a faster and more hard hitting action. that's why i thought the awa, much like alot of the old wwwf style, was boring to me as a kid. but as i said earlier, it's just my opinion....

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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote:  I couldn't stand him when the AWA first caught my attention on the ESPN shows back in 1985, and on the ESPN Classics shows today--with the magic that is DVR--his matches are the only ones I consistently fast forward through. 


 

This is a big part of the problem with your perception. If you had had a chance to view greg's work in the 70's and early 80's, and note that the fans reacted to him just as they did for any young babyface, you might have appreciated his work more.

 

As for freebirdsforever's "everyone in the AWA was over-the-hill" comment. This is an opinion, as he noted, and nothing else. AWA fans from that time frame ("home territory" fans, to be more specific) will tell you that Mad Dog, Crusher, Raschke, et al were all viable components of a successful wrestling organization in the 70's. Again, and he stated this himself, it all depends on what you grew up/became accustomed to watching. I was able to enjoy the AWA the same way he enjoyed his southern wrestling and their style. I might feel the same way if I grew up watching what he did, and he might feel the same way if he grew up with the AWA as his primary territory.

The concepts, angles, and basic wrestling were all the same at the end of the day, it's just the players that were different.

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