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 Posted: Mon Apr 4th, 2016 11:15 pm
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Even with floor seating, it is impossible to put 101,000 into that stadium especially when you consider production seat kills and the field level suites being covered by moveable seating tiers. There is some seating flexibility from what is called rail seating. The seats in each fixed row are not anchored to the concrete. They're anchored to a rail which is then anchored to the concrete. By removing the armrests from each rail, an extra seat can be added to the row and expand the capacity. I'm not sure if that method was employed last night.

In addition to the seating bowl, AT&T Stadium has what it calls Party Plazas outside the stadium. These plazas have giants screens and stadium concessions and require a paid ticket for admission. So whether it's WrestleMania, the Cowboys, big concerts like George Strait or international soccer matches, AT&T Stadium counts the plaza fans in the total. It's ridiculous. Those fans aren't in the stadium itself and in fact could be anywhere. It would be like claiming the attendance for WrestleMania in 1985 was 500,000 by combining the MSG total with all the closed circuit TV venue crowds. My guess is they had 85,000 in the house and another 8,000 on the Party Plaza or the armrests were removed to get everyone indoors.

By the way, American Airlines in Dallas probably holds about 19,000 for Raw after seat kills are factored in. Right now there are 206 tickets on StubHub with a low price of $132 if you want to be on the highest tier. Lower level at mid ring is $417. People are asking for $450 up to $2,000 (good luck getting that) for floor seats.

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tamalie wrote: In addition to the seating bowl, AT&T Stadium has what it calls Party Plazas outside the stadium. These plazas have giants screens and stadium concessions and require a paid ticket for admission. So whether it's WrestleMania, the Cowboys, big concerts like George Strait or international soccer matches, AT&T Stadium counts the plaza fans in the total. It's ridiculous. Those fans aren't in the stadium itself and in fact could be anywhere. It would be like claiming the attendance for WrestleMania in 1985 was 500,000 by combining the MSG total with all the closed circuit TV venue crowds. My guess is they had 85,000 in the house and another 8,000 on the Party Plaza or the armrests were removed to get everyone indoors.

Yeah, that sounds like a numbers joke.  The question is, were there actually more paying customers for this than Wrestlemania 3?  I always heard Wrestlemania 3 was 87,000+.  So if this was closer to 85,000 then there is some serious garbage here lol.

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I was there. There were lots of fans standing in the concourse. They remained there for the entire show at least 5 or 6 deep. I know this because they blocked the stair entrance each time I got up for bathroom breaks or concession. 

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Dave Scherer blasts people who defend WM:

I have seen a lot of people on social media, including some in (or formerly in) the business, say how WrestleMania was great and if you didn't like it you don't understand the business. I have seen some fans say it too. Ironically, many of them watch wrestling one day a year now, so sure, you guys are happy seeing things like three older guys beat up the crew that just pinned the tag champions (and later see one member of the popular tag team champions get laid out by someone that qualifies for AARP).

You liked seeing the guy that lost to Fandango beat the new guy, the same person that demanded the match to dispose of the guy that lost to Fandango two years ago.

You loved seeing The Rock destroy the Wyatt family.

But guess what? As those guys continue to get older, this generation has very few talents that ten years from now will be able to be put in the spots that The Rock, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels and even Chris Jericho were in last night.

Also, despite a clear edict from the fan base that they did not want to see babyface Roman Reigns win the WWE Title, Vince ignored what they wanted and did it anyway. Unlike a few years ago when he was forced to give the paying customers what they wanted and got to drop confetti from the rafters for Daniel Bryan, this year he got to go off the air with a dead crowd and a champion that the vast majority of the fans don't want in that role.

For all of you that say people that didn't like the show don't understand the business, I counter that you all don't understand that unless you are putting the framework in place for the future, you will reach a point where most of your assets are gone and you will be in a barren place.

I 100 percent agree with the manta, "Live for today" but a wise person also plans for tomorrow. When you look at the finishes and character development (or lack thereof) from last night, WWE only did half of that last night.



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AS much as it pains me to say this, but Scherer is right

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They did this shit in the past. They jobbed HHH to Warrior in about 10 seconds. Austin never put Rock over. But then there was WCW to take away the dead wood. Today less so.

Reading the reports though made me wonder whether WM was an advert for Raw rather than vice versa. Whether that is Network thinking. Because I could see a total reboot tonight as the likes of Styles go mediaeval on the likes of Jericho and dismantle them. And maybe Heyman will turn heel on Lesnar by signing up Reigns.



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kargol wrote:  Austin never put Rock over.
Didn't Rock beat Austin at Wrestlemania 19?

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tamalie wrote: Even with floor seating, it is impossible to put 101,000 into that stadium especially when you consider production seat kills and the field level suites being covered by moveable seating tiers. 
Only a few sections of seats were blocked by staging, and the party plazas were open. The 101k figure could be legit.
The show itself was average at best. Glad I didn't pay PPV prices for it.



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Boz1515 wrote: kargol wrote:  Austin never put Rock over.
Didn't Rock beat Austin at Wrestlemania 19?

He may have done, but I was thinking of the time when Rock was meant to beat him for the IC title and Austin refused.  Would have helped make Rock a lot earlier.



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Outside of a couple highlights (Womens and ladder matches were the best things on the show) it was pretty lacklustre overall.  I wanna share in some of the dope the booker was smoking.



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Ok, so it was the booking that everyone seems to have a problem with...

Jericho/Styles...Jericho hadn't beaten Styles at all before that match. I get that people wanted Styles to go over, but it's not insane that he didn't either.

I don't get the McMahon/Taker ending either, at least, not a clean win. I expected some sort of interference. But it seemed like they didn't even care about the big stipulation.

I thought Lesnar/Ambrose went exactly as planned. Ambrose comes out looking like the sympathetic face that won't give up. Got his ass whipped around for 20 minutes.

6 man tag match, heels got the win. But the post match stuff was the WM "moment". Fans upset that New Day lost didn't care. Hasn't this been going on for decades?

I just don't get the hate. It wasn't a crazy awesome show. But that had more to do with the match choices for me, as I don't care for LoN at all (waste of Rusev)and I would've gone with Zayne vs. Owens for IC title and had the ladder match for US title (like rossi mentioned).

But everyone worked hard and did their best to put on a good show.

Haters just want to hate.

My son's best friend went, and he and his Dad came over last night and said that the boos for Reigns were loud, but that they were definitely outdone by the cheers when he won.

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DaNkinator wrote: Jericho/Styles...Jericho hadn't beaten Styles at all before that match. I get that people wanted Styles to go over, but it's not insane that he didn't either.


Several people have said that but I'm almost positive that Jericho and Styles are now 2-2 in their series.  They exchanged victories on TV and Styles won at the last PPV, then Jericho won at WM.  I think people were fine with Styles winning 2-1 in the best of 3 series, but then it started to make no sense when Styles had to beg Jericho for a 4th match after he already won, and then he winds up losing that match he begged for.  That's just not the way you book a babyface.

I thought Lesnar/Ambrose went exactly as planned. Ambrose comes out looking like the sympathetic face that won't give up. Got his ass whipped around for 20 minutes.

The match was substantially shorter than that, maybe 12-13 minutes, and Lesnar dominated 90% of it and only sold the weapons shots, then still won.  Again, not the way you book a babyface IMO.  Not to mention that the weapons were a perfect way to have Lesnar lose while still remaining strong and elevating Ambrose nonetheless.  Lesnar didn't need that win at all and Ambrose looks awful for losing it.

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srossi wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Jericho/Styles...Jericho hadn't beaten Styles at all before that match. I get that people wanted Styles to go over, but it's not insane that he didn't either.


Several people have said that but I'm almost positive that Jericho and Styles are now 2-2 in their series. 


Pretty sure this is true, a 2-2 tie.  If I recall correctly, Jericho won the 2nd match, and it may have been on Smackdown.

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Thing is, it's so easy to be critical of everything anymore and tear something apart because you didn't like who won. It hardly matters who wins and loses anymore, and once you get past your favorites losing you had a bunch of guys who went out and worked their asses off to put on a good show. They were missing a TON of guys who should've been headlining, nothing you can do there. It's not old timely smoke filled arena wrestling anymore, it's entertainment, and the E put on a show Sunday, albeit an extremely long one. I enjoyed the show for what it was, it wasn't the best Mania, but certainly not the worst. I don't read spoilers before the show so I didn't have any expectations of who "should've" been there and wasn't #omgworstshowever once it was over. I don't get mad when the guys I want to win don't, because it doesn't matter, just like how I don't get mad at tv shows when the characters do something stupid. It's all part of the storyline, WM isn't the season finale, and everyone who went batshit crazy because AJ lost on Sunday can calm down because he's the next number one contender now....see, it's not the end of the world.



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The Lesnar result I'm good with. The Styles and New Day results (and to a lesser extent the women's match) did not elevate who they should (or could in the case of the women)have elevated.



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