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Kalisto defeats Ryback to defend the U.S. Title in a decent match during the pre-show. Mauro Ranallo with excellent commentary and Jerry Lawler embarrassed himself as usual. Kalisto wearing a Hayabusa-inspired outfit and Lawler had no idea who he was or that he died and made fun of him. 

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10-woman match is up next.

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Brie used the Yes-lock to make Naomi tap and then Nikki came down to celebrate with Team Total Divas.

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Is this earlier than it normally starts? Raw is usually 1am over here.

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Pre-show started at 5:00 PM ET as opposed to 7:00 PM for other PPVs, but that's normal the last few years for WM.

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That belt looks awesome. Nice of the E to now call it a womens title. Before you know it they're going to let their women employees vote.

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WongLee wrote: That belt looks awesome. Nice of the E to now call it a womens title. Before you know it they're going to let their women employees vote.
Much better belt. I like it. And I think it was nice for Lita to unveil it. 

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Usos win a quick and completely forgettable match against the Dudleys. Even more disappointing than I imagined.

Usos get booed out of the building for stopping the Dudleys from putting them through a table and then putting them through tables instead. 

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I guess the battle royal is on the main show this year?

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Match was completely meaningless. So curious to see how this Wrestlemania pans out. I think it will be mostly suckage but would love to be wrong.

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Kickoff show is pushing Shane-'Taker at least 5 times harder than HHH-Reigns. I wonder if that doesn't close the show.

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Fans are super pumped. The announcers being introduced and getting huge reactions. Cole booed like crazy, JBL cheered.

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I'm giving away a blowjob from beej if anyone can name one song this multiplatinum recording artist has done.

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5th Harmony sing the anthem. No one knows who they are. Was that Rob Feinstein shown on camera?!

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starting with the clusterfuck ladder match for the IC title

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Video package of early WM matches without Hulk Hogan pictured. WWE's production team deserves an Academy Award for exiting to pull that off.

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Ladder match for the I-C title to kick things off. This could be the best match of the show.

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I hope they give Sammy the favor back from Friday night.

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srossi wrote: Ladder match for the I-C title to kick things off. This could be the best match of the show.there are only 2 people in the match that most fans care about, Owens and Zayn.  The rest?  Meh.

No way will this be best match of the show

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Someone behind German announce team wearing this shirt: "Roman Reigns sucks worse than Batman vs. Superman".

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They just showed 50 different language announce teams. I hope every single one of their tables get broken.

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I wish, just once in WWE or TNA with multi-person ladder matches, the first person introduced grabs a ladder, and positions it under the title and starts to climb, forcing the other competitors to haul ass out to stop them, wasting energy from the get go

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Either Ziggler is selling well or he really hurt his leg badly.

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IS it me, or does it appear WWE removed the big ass screen in the stadium

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mike3775 wrote: IS it me, or does it appear WWE removed the big ass screen in the stadium
It's still there. 

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Zack Ryder wins! WTF?!

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Ultimate upset

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If you bet on Ryder you won some legit money in Vegas. I can't imagine the odds against him.

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Owens still hasn't moved from that suplex. Brutal.

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Overall a few crazy spots and Sin Cara really shined here, but a middle-of-the-road multi-man ladder match as far as these things go. Enjoyable though. Hearing nearly 100,000 fans chant "Ole Ole Ole Ole" as Zayn climbed the ladder was really cool for anyone who saw El Generico get that chant in a high school gym.

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As I said in the what's wrong with wrestling thread, these ladder matches are shit. What kind of injuries came out of that match. It has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling and IMO isn't "entertaining". With that said, glad to see the Long Island guy get his moment.

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srossi wrote: I guess the battle royal is on the main show this year?
Yeah where is this? 

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WongLee wrote: As I said in the what's wrong with wrestling thread, these ladder matches are shit. What kind of injuries came out of that match. It has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling and IMO isn't "entertaining". With that said, glad to see the Long Island guy get his moment.
Maybe it's just dumb luck, but not many (if any) serious injuries have ever come out of a WWE ladder match, expect for the original Sin Cara, and he got injured sneezing. We'll see how everyone here is tomorrow. Some certainly looked like they were in bad shape. 

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Time for Jericho vs Styles. I really hope they tear it down.

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Styles brings back the Styles Clash. I know Jericho has specifically asked to take that move before. But Jericho kicks out and the match continues.

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Jericho wins catching the codebreaker out of a springboard attempt. I don't understand the point of jobbing Styles here at all.  Definitely the best match of their series though. 

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That match had piss poor pacing. And of course the wrong person won.

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Well that was a surprise. Not that great a match either. Maybe *** at best. So now what do they do with AJ?

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WongLee wrote: Well that was a surprise. Not that great a match either. Maybe *** at best. So now what do they do with AJ?turn him into a jobber like they do with every other talented wrestler that Vince didn't make

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Kinda sucky match. Nothing special.

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Ryder backstage interview. His left eye is swelled almost shut.

The New Day up next yet. Crowd LOVES them. They make their entrance out of an oversized box of Booty-Os. That's original. 

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brodiescomics wrote: Kinda sucky match. Nothing special.TO many of the "hit a move, take a 35 second rest" to "hit a move, take another 35 second rest" in that match

I bet if you take out all the times they hit a move and then laid out "exhausted", the match would lose 5 minutes of time

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Well with the Battle royal being on later in the Card. I think its a sign who will be winning that match. A returning John Cena.

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mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: Well that was a surprise. Not that great a match either. Maybe *** at best. So now what do they do with AJ?turn him into a jobber like they do with every other talented wrestler that Vince didn't make

Obviously this will be AJ's way or reason to introduce the Bullet/Balor club tomorrow on RAW
Also, AJs payday losing to Jericho is bigger than any time he won or defended the TNA title.  Probably better than his paycheck as IWGP Champion too

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mike3775 wrote: brodiescomics wrote: Kinda sucky match. Nothing special.TO many of the "hit a move, take a 35 second rest" to "hit a move, take another 35 second rest" in that match

I bet if you take out all the times they hit a move and then laid out "exhausted", the match would lose 5 minutes of time

People complain when wrestlers sell. They complain when wrestlers don't sell. They can't win. 

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Superstar wrote: mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: Well that was a surprise. Not that great a match either. Maybe *** at best. So now what do they do with AJ?turn him into a jobber like they do with every other talented wrestler that Vince didn't make

Obviously this will be AJ's way or reason to introduce the Bullet/Balor club tomorrow on RAW

Ding ding ding. I certainly hope so, but very likely. 

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The six man is destroying the crowd.

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Superstar wrote: mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: Well that was a surprise. Not that great a match either. Maybe *** at best. So now what do they do with AJ?turn him into a jobber like they do with every other talented wrestler that Vince didn't make

Obviously this will be AJ's way or reason to introduce the Bullet/Balor club tomorrow on RAW
So AJ Styles needs help beating a part timer? 

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WongLee wrote: The six man is destroying the crowd.the card so far has been doing that.  Its like there is no pacing at all tonight in any of the matches

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WongLee wrote: The six man is destroying the crowd.
I can't get into it. A lot of wasted talent here on the League side. None of them are over in the least anymore. 

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I hope Big E is ok on that spot, looked like Rusev missed catching him and Big-E's head hit the ground hard

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mike3775 wrote: I hope Big E is ok on that spot, looked like Rusev missed catching him and Big-E's head hit the ground hard
Looked pretty sick.

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Sheamus pins Woods. The crowd HATES this. All the wrong guys are winning tonight.  And this was a short nothing match that has no heat after the cereal box. 

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brodiescomics wrote: mike3775 wrote: I hope Big E is ok on that spot, looked like Rusev missed catching him and Big-E's head hit the ground hard
Looked pretty sick.
It did.  That was a great spot though

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Shawn Michaels interrupts Barrett's promo. He's dressed to wrestle. Mick Foley is out. Steve Austin then comes out throwing up middle fingers!

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that woke the crowd up finally. That was the loudest the crowd been all night

Rusev sold the stunner like a champion

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Everyone hits their signature spots. When was the last time Austin did any move at all? The legends lay out the League. Biggest pop of the night which really shows you WWE's problem.

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Perfect. Saved that dud.

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Woods tries to get Austin to dance with him. He briefly does, then stuns him. Monster pop. Legends drink beer as The New Day retreat. 3 guys who have been retired forever just laid out half the active roster.

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Thought AJ vs Y2j was great,

League vs New Day was just ok.

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thank god Austin didn't dance

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srossi wrote: Everyone hits their signature spots. When was the last time Austin did any move at all? The legends lay out the League. Biggest pop of the night which really shows you WWE's problem.Thats because Vince hasn't made any top stars since Cena, Orton, Bautista.  And fans are sick of two of the three, and 1 has transitioned into movies really well.

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So the new champions get punked by retired legends...


and Stone Cold soaks the canvas in beer before the next match.  Does that ever effect the next match?

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Lesnar vs. Ambrose next. This has to really deliver. It has the potential to be a MOTY candidate. Ambrose MUST find a way to win though. They can't keep putting over old guys and part-timers. The push of Ambrose to next year's WM main event should begin tonight. 

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Didn't someone say Bobby Roode was down there?  What if he were to appear in the battle royal?

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Boz1515 wrote: So the new champions get punked by retired legends

Not a title match so New Day still champs. They changed it weeks ago. 

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That left me cold. Foley looks like he has permanent neurological damage. As said earlier, three really old guys just destroy seven guys in their prime. This makes no sense and is the very definition of hot shotting it. Brock vs. Ambrose next. If this isn't a five star match nothing will be and this card will rank right up there with Wrestlemania IX.

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Boz1515 wrote: So the new champions get punked by retired legends...


and Stone Cold soaks the canvas in beer before the next match.  Does that ever effect the next match?
was non title match.

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Boz1515 wrote: Didn't someone say Bobby Roode was down there?  What if he were to appear in the battle royal?

Bobby Roode appeared ringside at NXT Takeover Friday night. He won't be going to WWE. 

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WongLee wrote: That left me cold. Foley looks like he has permanent neurological damage. 
I don't know about neurological damage, but he walks like an 80-year old, much worse than the last time I saw him, and it's pretty sad. Even sadder that hobbling like that he beat the living shit out of Sheamus without any problem at all. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: That left me cold. Foley looks like he has permanent neurological damage. 
I don't know about neurological damage, but he walks like an 80-year old, much worse than the last time I saw him, and it's pretty sad. Even sadder that hobbling like that he beat the living shit out of Sheamus without any problem at all.
Thats because in WWE, old timers are tougher than current wrestlers.

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Lesnar doing nothing but suplexes has gotten old now that he's more than 2 years into his comeback. He was such a great and versatile wrestler back in the day.

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: So the new champions get punked by retired legends

Not a title match so New Day still champs. They changed it weeks ago.

Oh that's right.  When did it become 3-on-3?

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srossi wrote: Lesnar doing nothing but suplexes has gotten old now that he's more than 2 years into his comeback. He was such a great and versatile wrestler back in the day.was great with Cena, and the first opponent after Cena, now its boring

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This is the most selling Lesnar has done in a long ass time

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I don't even understand. Lesnar wins pretty quickly and convincingly. A few chairs and kendo sticks but nothing special at all. Huge disappointment.  They're just BURYING everyone under 60 on this show. 

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man that match stunk as well. Whoever said this is as bad as WM 9 is correct. There is no saving this WM at all now

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Absolute crap. Like someone said earlier, everyone who shouldn't be winning is winning. I had high hopes for this match as I've become a big Ambrose fan. His match against Trips on the last PPV was fantastic from beginning to end. This was just nothing.

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Think its been good so far. The Street fight was good for what it was.

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WongLee wrote: Absolute crap. Like someone said earlier, everyone who shouldn't be winning is winning. I had high hopes for this match as I've become a big Ambrose fan. His match against Trips on the last PPV was fantastic from beginning to end. This was just nothing.
They told a very convincing story that Ambrose was totally overmatched except when he used a weapon, and even then it wasn't enough. Well that sure helped him. 

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WongLee wrote: Absolute crap. Like someone said earlier, everyone who shouldn't be winning is winning. I had high hopes for this match as I've become a big Ambrose fan. His match against Trips on the last PPV was fantastic from beginning to end. This was just nothing.So did I.  I swear, its almost like Vince is deliberately killing anyone who HHH builds up in NXT on the main roster to make a point about his "superior" booking abilities

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bpickering wrote: Think its been good so far. The Street fight was good for what it was.can you send me some of whatever you are taking please  :)

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HOF recap. They need to show lots of highlights of this and NXT because they have nothing else.

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mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Think its been good so far. The Street fight was good for what it was.can you send me some of whatever you are taking please  :)

Yeah I'd like to believe there's a shroom out there that I can take that would make the last couple of matches tolerable. 

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srossi wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Think its been good so far. The Street fight was good for what it was.can you send me some of whatever you are taking please  :)

Yeah I'd like to believe there's a shroom out there that I can take that would make the last couple of matches tolerable.
There has to be. 

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: So the new champions get punked by retired legends

Not a title match so New Day still champs. They changed it weeks ago.

When did it (the tag match) become 3-on-3?

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mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Think its been good so far. The Street fight was good for what it was.can you send me some of whatever you are taking please  :)

I just don't bitch and moan about who wins and who loses. I been entertain by the card so far. The only one that be a little boring been the six man tag. How ever the surprise at the end save it. 

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They should of play the man called sting when Stinger came out.

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looks like the Diva triple threat is next.

Hopefully this will steal the show, but my hopes are significantly lower now after the last 3 matches

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bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Think its been good so far. The Street fight was good for what it was.can you send me some of whatever you are taking please  :)

I just don't bitch and moan about who wins and who loses. I been entertain by the card so far. The only one that be a little boring been the six man tag. How ever the surprise at the end save it. 
The card has been lackluster.  There has not been any decent pacing at all. 

People said Saturday (HHH included) that people are going to have to step up after that NXT show Friday, and so far, I have nopt seen any stepping up at all, except for Zayn in the clusterfuck ladder match, where someone who is a jobber basically becomes the new barry horowitz

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Snoop rapping during Sasha's ring entrance. She gets the biggest pop of anyone under 40 tonight. If she doesn't win I give up.

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srossi wrote: Snoop rapping during Sasha's ring entrance. She gets the biggest pop of anyone under 40 tonight. If she doesn't win I give up.
Yeah big pop.  Snoop did a really good job with the intro.

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bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Think its been good so far. The Street fight was good for what it was.can you send me some of whatever you are taking please  :)

I just don't bitch and moan about who wins and who loses. I been entertain by the card so far. The only one that be a little boring been the six man tag. How ever the surprise at the end save it. 

Aside from who won, the street fight was bad. Bunch of suplexes, some cane shots, F5, over.  Nothing to it. How about Ambrose taking a crazy bump like an F5 off the top through a table or something if he had to job. That was a Smackdown match. 

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Boz1515 wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: So the new champions get punked by retired legends

Not a title match so New Day still champs. They changed it weeks ago.

When did it (the tag match) become 3-on-3?


It was a 4 on 3 handicap match announced a couple of weeks ago. 

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srossi wrote: Snoop rapping during Sasha's ring entrance. She gets the biggest pop of anyone under 40 tonight. If she doesn't win I give up.I have no issues if Lynch or Banks wins.  I just hope Charlotte drops the belt tonight

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So far only Sasha and The New Day have received special entrances. Even that has been lackluster.

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: So the new champions get punked by retired legends

Not a title match so New Day still champs. They changed it weeks ago.

When did it (the tag match) become 3-on-3?


It was a 4 on 3 handicap match announced a couple of weeks ago. 


No, I mean when did they drop Barrett out of the match (4-on-3 to 3-on-3)?

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This womens match has already had more faster paced action than the last 3 matches combined

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Sasha damn near broke her neck but saved it. Becky takes out Ric Flair! This match is killing it.

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srossi wrote: Sasha damn near broke her neck but saved it. Becky takes out Ric Flair! This match is killing it.match of the night so far

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Charlotte moonsault off top rope to floor. Already the best women's match in WM history.

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mike3775 wrote: srossi wrote: Sasha damn near broke her neck but saved it. Becky takes out Ric Flair! This match is killing it.match of the night so far


Yeah fantastic moonsault by Charlotte

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If every women's match is like this, the days of the womens matches being piss break times will be over

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Lol. Charlotte makes Becky tap to retain. Match of the night by far but again the wrong winner. Just incredible how tone deaf Vince is.

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I agree, but I see Charlotte dropping it tomorrow or next week

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Hell of a match. Match of the night so far.

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I can't believe they gave it that much time.  That was great.

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I've never seen June Byers vs. Penny Banner but I'll bet that was the greatest womens match of all time. The right person won and Naitch was the perfect sneaky heel. Fantastic work by all three. Where do they go with Charlotte next?

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So WWE is going to close with loud Boo's

Taker vs Shane now

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Hell in a Cell next. Well, this pretty much is the last chance to save the show. It'll be either spectacular or atrocious. There can be no in between.  I like and respect both guys and am really rooting for them to absolutely crush it without crippling each other. 

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WongLee wrote: I've never seen June Byers vs. Penny Banner but I'll bet that was the greatest womens match of all time. The right person won and Naitch was the perfect sneaky heel. Fantastic work by all three. Where do they go with Charlotte next?Wasn't Flair holding the woman who nailed him outside the ring from coming back in to continue the match?  If it was, perfect booking playing on something 10 minutes prior

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mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: I've never seen June Byers vs. Penny Banner but I'll bet that was the greatest womens match of all time. The right person won and Naitch was the perfect sneaky heel. Fantastic work by all three. Where do they go with Charlotte next?Wasn't Flair holding the woman who nailed him outside the ring from coming back in to continue the match?  If it was, perfect booking playing on something 10 minutes prior

He prevented Sasha from breaking up the submission. It was Becky who dove on him though. I believe that was payback for Flair forcibly kissing her in the incident that we can no longer talk about (we can't talk about a lot of stuff lately). 

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Sure it will be Charlotte vs Banks one on one at next ppv.

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mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: I've never seen June Byers vs. Penny Banner but I'll bet that was the greatest womens match of all time. The right person won and Naitch was the perfect sneaky heel. Fantastic work by all three. Where do they go with Charlotte next?Wasn't Flair holding the woman who nailed him outside the ring from coming back in to continue the match?  If it was, perfect booking playing on something 10 minutes prior

Flair was holding back Sasha, it was Becky who hit him with the tope.

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Show. Stolen.

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For the record, I'm thinking the battle royal will be the cool down match between the 2 main events. They can't use the women in that role anymore since no one can follow them.

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Shane's entrance is with his 3 sons. That's kinda cool. Always nice to see disadvantaged children get their one moment in the spotlight.  The kids are given to Linda and Shane's wife, who are now all sitting ringside. 

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srossi wrote: Shane's entrance is with his 3 sons. That's kinda cool. Always nice to see disadvantaged children get their one moment in the spotlight.  The kids are given to Linda and Shane's wife, who are now all sitting ringside. speaking of disadvantaged kids, I'm shocked WWE hasn't highlited the special section way towards the back they have for make-a-wish kids

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Maybe they won't even have the battle royal tonight. Since Rock still has not be on. He twitted a picture of him at 2am this morning going over in the ring what he was doing at Mania.

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WongLee wrote: mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: I've never seen June Byers vs. Penny Banner but I'll bet that was the greatest womens match of all time. The right person won and Naitch was the perfect sneaky heel. Fantastic work by all three. Where do they go with Charlotte next?Wasn't Flair holding the woman who nailed him outside the ring from coming back in to continue the match?  If it was, perfect booking playing on something 10 minutes prior

Flair was holding back Sasha, it was Becky who hit him with the tope.
ahh ok.  Thanks, and you as well srossi.

I thought him interfering didnt hurt at all, considering he was brought into the match by them

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bpickering wrote: Maybe they won't even have the battle royal tonight. Since Rock still has not be on. He twitted a picture of him at 2am this morning going over in the ring what he was doing at Mania.
If Vince wants to kill morale for about 30 guys, that would be a great way to do it. 

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Maybe they won't even have the battle royal tonight. Since Rock still has not be on. He twitted a picture of him at 2am this morning going over in the ring what he was doing at Mania.
If Vince wants to kill morale for about 30 guys, that would be a great way to do it.
considering there has not been any PPV bonuses since the network launched, its not like they losing out on any extra pay

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mike3775 wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Maybe they won't even have the battle royal tonight. Since Rock still has not be on. He twitted a picture of him at 2am this morning going over in the ring what he was doing at Mania.
If Vince wants to kill morale for about 30 guys, that would be a great way to do it.
considering there has not been any PPV bonuses since the network launched, its not like they losing out on any extra pay

Everyone still wants to be on the show, and I've heard there is some kind of bonus for WM because there was a lot of talk about Titus losing it for his suspension. 

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What this match needs is Shane dropping an elbow off the top of the cage through the announce table. Almost nothing else will be acceptable. But it's very unlikely to happen.

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Undertaker?

More like Twinkie-taker lol.  He looks very winded often.  Big bump by Shane on the steps.

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Shane is going toe-to-toe with 'Taker but Ambrose was booked to be overmatched against Lesnar. Really?

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srossi wrote: Shane is going toe-to-toe with 'Taker but Ambrose was booked to be overmatched against Lesnar. Really?Ambrose doesn't have the McMahon last name

Steph woulda done better against Lesner

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Boz1515 wrote: Undertaker?

More like Twinkie-taker lol.  He looks very winded often.  Big bump by Shane on the steps.
Taker keeps himself in good shape, but all them ol' timers will tell you there's a difference between "good shape" and "ring shape".  Vader mentioned that you'd better not get tired against Hansen because he'd make you pay, and I believe it because The Lariat was never what anybody would ever call "in shape" but he never got gassed in the ring.

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srossi wrote: Shane is going toe-to-toe with 'Taker but Ambrose was booked to be overmatched against Lesnar. Really?
Undertaker is literally just lying around in the ring lol.

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Bolt cutters. They're leaving the cell. Big bump coming up?

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No one gave the German announcers a heads up on that spot. That was for WWII, fuckers.

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LOL them TV cords were wound in to tightly, Shane had to save that spot by walking towards Taker and even then, the cord didn't pop lose

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srossi wrote: What this match needs is Shane dropping an elbow off the top of the cage through the announce table. Almost nothing else will be acceptable. But it's very unlikely to happen.
If he does it, you heard it here first. 

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Shane is fucking nuts.  Much safer bump than Foley's, but still...

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no interference.

No shocker in this match

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Insane bump by Shane.

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They did what they needed to do to make this seem like a huge match. Not always pretty but they damn near killed each other.

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I like how Taker carried him back to the ring, rolled him in, and then laid back down for a minute lol.  We were laughing over here.

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Boz1515 wrote: I like how Taker carried him back to the ring, rolled him in, and then laid back down for a minute lol.  We were laughing over here.

Yeah very weird. He might've been legit too blown up to do anything because psychology-wise that made no sense. 

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Ok impressive albeit idiotic bump. So what was the point to that match with the finish they had. Also, the crowd is going to shit all over Trips and Roman much worse than previously thought. Enjoy your internal injuries Shane.

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Shane getting stretchered out. Not sure how much is legit and how much is for show. Probably both.

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45 minutes left for The Rock, a battle royal, and the main event.

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Battle royal. Wow, Baron Corbin making his WWE main roster debut. Don't see any other NXT guys.

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DDP in the battle royal!

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srossi wrote: Shane getting stretchered out. Not sure how much is legit and how much is for show. Probably both.for show.

If they were really concerned, no way would the ref be the one holding his neck to put him on a stretcher with 3 EMT's there, and no way they not use a neck brace to transport him up that long ramp and have an EMT holding the neck to stabilize it.

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Shaq and Show are gone. Wide open now.

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srossi wrote: Battle royal. Wow, Baron Corbin making his WWE main roster debut. Don't see any other NXT guys.
I didn't hear if they had a tournament to enter the Royal like they did last year.

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brodiescomics wrote: My money is on Baron Corben.
Only one that makes sense. So Tatanka will win. 

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Yeah, no intro for him I guess?  I did not see who eliminated Mark Henry.

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Corbin eliminates Tatanka.

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Tatanka is there too.
Yeah, no intro for him I guess?  I did not see who eliminated Mark Henry.

He's back.

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brodiescomics wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Tatanka is there too.
Yeah, no intro for him I guess?  I did not see who eliminated Mark Henry.

He's back.

....and gone.

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brodiescomics wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Tatanka is there too.
Yeah, no intro for him I guess?  I did not see who eliminated Mark Henry.

He's back.

Not anymore. Kane and Darren Young eliminated him. 

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Corbin wins! Finally some inspired booking. Huge NXT chant.

Eliminated Kane last. 

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brodiescomics wrote: My money is on Baron Corben.
Money

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brodiescomics wrote: brodiescomics wrote: My money is on Baron Corben.
Money

Well I sure Vince looks at him and sees main event in him.

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srossi wrote: Corbin wins! Finally some inspired booking. Huge NXT chant.
Eliminated Kane last. 


Corben's got something. Good look, but super green and can't really talk. Hopefully they will keep him in NXT a bit longer for some seasoning.

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Add me to the list that is glad Corbin won. Of course by Summerslam he'll be jobbing to Curtis Axel.

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Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders doing a routine to the only band Vince knows, AC/DC. And only 20 minutes for main event including entrances.  Maybe they just gave up and decided to cancel it. 

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And here comes The Rock.

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mike3775 wrote: srossi wrote: Shane getting stretchered out. Not sure how much is legit and how much is for show. Probably both.for show.

If they were really concerned, no way would the ref be the one holding his neck to put him on a stretcher with 3 EMT's there, and no way they not use a neck brace to transport him up that long ramp and have an EMT holding the neck to stabilize it.

So it was total 100% show

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brodiescomics wrote: I think Rock may have gotten a bigger pop than Stone Cold.
There's no comparison between the two anymore. 

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srossi wrote: brodiescomics wrote: I think Rock may have gotten a bigger pop than Stone Cold.
There's no comparison between the two anymore.

But, in Texas?

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brodiescomics wrote: srossi wrote: brodiescomics wrote: I think Rock may have gotten a bigger pop than Stone Cold.
There's no comparison between the two anymore.

But, in Texas?

WM has mostly tourists at this point, like the Super Bowl. 

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So seriously, this is going to run WAY past 11:00 PM and it's been on since 5:00 PM. Is this necessary? Most of it hasn't been very good, just bloated.

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We have to be going pass 11pm. I know on the Network they can go over but on Reg PPV?

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I think it would be hilarious if The Rock talks so long that HHH gets bumped and they just go off the air.

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I've always hated this guy. I do not get him. He's completely unfunny, highly obnoxious, and is marginally talented.

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101,763 is the attendance they're going with. Have no idea how legit that is but fuck you Hogan and your 93,000, fuck you!

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101,763. Can't wait for Meltzer to shit all over that.

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They set a WM record, but not stadium record

Which WM was the last stadium show to not set an attendance record for the venue?

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Here come the Wyatts! Interrupting The Rock. More current stars getting laid out by an older one no doubt.

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No Harper. Sad he's too injured to even walk out at WM.

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I haven't watched in a while...who is the new Wyatt?

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brodiescomics wrote: I haven't watched in a while...who is the new Wyatt?
Braun Strowman, big lumbering unathletic guy who was Vince's first choice to replace Cena against Taker until he saw him work a little bit. 

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srossi wrote: brodiescomics wrote: I haven't watched in a while...who is the new Wyatt?
Braun Strowman, big lumbering unathletic guy who was Vince's first choice to replace Cena against Taker until he saw him work a little bit.

He looks legit retarded.

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right about now, the Wyattts should be beating the living fuck out of the Rock, but no, Rock has to neuter tham to appease Vince

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mike3775 wrote: right about now, the Wyattts should be beating the living fuck out of the Rock, but no, Rock has to neuter tham to appease Vince
I have no problem with Rock doing his thing as long as it ends with him being beaten down. But likely it will end with him beating all 3 up. 

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srossi wrote: mike3775 wrote: right about now, the Wyattts should be beating the living fuck out of the Rock, but no, Rock has to neuter tham to appease Vince
I have no problem with Rock doing his thing as long as it ends with him being beaten down. But likely it will end with him beating all 3 up.
Exactly what I am afraid of as well.


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If Rock wins here, WM was a waste of time.

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Rock calling for a referee. He wants to have a real match. Crowd explodes. It's Rowan who is answering the challenge since Wyatt is hurt I believe.

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Rock wins in 6 seconds. Announced as new record. Lol

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Ok I have to say no Point to that one.

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And here comes Cena.

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congrats Vince, you just killed another up and comer.

And you wonder why ratings are down and viewers are not tuning in anymore, because has beens and washed up people keep getting wins over the current roster

And now Superman arrives, for fucks sake, WM has gotten worse.

I pity the idiots who paid for this show on PPV or for tickets to it live.

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Rock and Cena lays out everyone. Fans all over Cena.

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WWE has officially killed the Wyatts tonight.

this is fucking pathetic

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No one cares about the other 2, but Wyatt himself could've been something and they've consistently made him a joke. This is the worst yet.

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There was NO iconic moment there, what just happened was the future of WWE being buried once and for all by a washed up part timer yet again.

Might as well release the entire Wyatt family now, they can't do anything to save them now.

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I just dont get it either. Feed them the 2 stooges, but Bray should not take a single bump from them.

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Just awful. Just awful. The show is even worse than it looked on paper. And now it's 11:00 PM and dragging and I really just want to go to bed.

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I would love to hear someone explain why that angle "was best for business"

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Did Bray fuck Linda McMahon or something. This has been such a prolonged burial and the guy is fantastic.

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The only way to save that segment was to have Cena come out and turn on the Rock. That would be a Wrestlemania moment.

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srossi wrote: Just awful. Just awful. The show is even worse than it looked on paper. And now it's 11:00 PM and dragging and I really just want to go to bed.This WM has officially gone down as the absolute worst WM I have ever seen,  and that says alot, as there have been plenty of bad WM's over the years, especially the years they were getting killed by WCW

Depending on what the extra features are on the bluray for the HOF, I may not even bother with the bluray(I buy for the HOF only) as I don't want to waste one cent on this abortion of a show.

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brodiescomics wrote: The only way to save that segment was to have Cena come out and turn on the Rock. That would be a Wrestlemania moment.
That would have to lead to another match between them, which would be even worse. 

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Yeah, I found Rock's segment to be uninspired and a waste of time.  There may be more people tonight, but I like Wrestlemania 3 better lol.

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Like this HHH-Reigns video package at least. I believe it's an Avenged Sevenfold song. Reminiscent of Attitude Era video packages.

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Boz1515 wrote: Yeah, I found Rock's segment to be uninspired and a waste of time.  There may be more people tonight, but I like Wrestlemania 3 better lol.
well yeah, you had Steamboat/Savage, Hogan/Andre, Piper/Adonis, plus King Kong Bundy elbow dropping a midget

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Why are they doing the Roman/Trips video package for the 20th time. Christ.

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srossi wrote: brodiescomics wrote: The only way to save that segment was to have Cena come out and turn on the Rock. That would be a Wrestlemania moment.
That would have to lead to another match between them, which would be even worse.

They could run that shit for a year for the rematch at WM 33. There are 100 babyfaces they could feed to a heel Cena. It could work.

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Dear Lord. Now I have to deal with a post-apocalyptic Stephanie. I really can't take any more. Why can't Vince just jerk off in the middle of the ring for the next 20 minutes? Same effect and probably less painful to watch.

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What. The. Fuck.

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HHH will spend hours talking about how guys like Finn Balor need to learn about entrances and playing to cameras, and then he takes part in this debacle. Do they not realize they're embarrassing themselves? And NJPW puts on better entrances too, just for the record.

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Rusev on a tank easily trumps every single one of these entrances this year.

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After Stephanie's Sensational Sherri rant, the crowd will still make HHH the face, will they not?

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This is gonna get ugly. The Cena boos were almost playful compared to this. They HATE Reigns like they caught him finger-banging their daughters.

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Reading the comments here have been much more entertaining than actually watching WM. I'm glad the WWE network let's you watch other shows while current product airs. Halloween Havoc 89 has been a fun watch.

I wonder if the WWE collects data of what else was watched on the network when WM or any other current PPV or other current show runs.

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Pretty sad they had to mute the crowd mics for Reigns entrance real fast as they were louder than his entrance music

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Oh, and no cool entrance for Reigns. And not coming through the crowd. So his entrance has actually been scaled BACK tonight.

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Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.

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the muting of the crowd is hilarious, like the crowd knows it, so they getting louder and louder with the boo's

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Wow. Crowd hates him.

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Lol. Cameras zoomed in on the ONE guy clapping for Reigns as boos rained down. HHH mostly booed too so the crowd is just going to shit all over this.

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bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.Please say which WM has been worse than this one

Someone earlier said its worse than 9, and I agree this is way worse.


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I really hope they have sonething big planned here, like a Balor Club run in beating down both guys. Lol. There's just no acceptable finish to this match. 

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the crowd is hilarious, no matter how hard WWE tries, they realize they getting muted so they getting louder and louder, to the point they coming through the announcer mics

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LOL this is hilarious, you can hear the ref in the ring clear as day,

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We are going to get the pin and quick cut to black when Reigns wins

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bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.I don't know dude I just read this whole thread & this sounds like absolute garbage....& this piece of shit card started at 5 est? holy fuck that's way way too long for a wrestling show.....6 fucking hours, & I remember bitching & moaning at wm 4 & it was no one near this long.Glad I watched TWD finale instead...wwe & pretty much 90% othervwrestling now blows chunks.

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LOL and the crowd erupts in cheers with the HHH low blow

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mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.Please say which WM has been worse than this one

Someone earlier said its worse than 9, and I agree this is way worse.



4,9,13

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carpetbeggar wrote: bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.I don't know dude I just read this whole thread & this sounds like absolute garbage....& this piece of shit card started at 5 est? holy fuck that's way way too long for a wrestling show.....6 fucking hours, & I remember bitching & moaning at wm 4 & it was no one near this long.Glad I watched TWD finale instead...wwe & pretty much 90% othervwrestling now blows chunks.
It'll be nearly 7 hours soon and all they got to show for it is a great women's match, a crazy Shane bump, and I enjoyed Styles-Jericho more than most but the finish ruined it. 7 hours for that. 

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Either crowd is totally dead now or they pretty much turned the mics off. You could hear a pin drop.

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bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.Please say which WM has been worse than this one

Someone earlier said its worse than 9, and I agree this is way worse.



4,9,13
I would rather watch 4 again, I would rather watch 9 again, and I was at 13, but wouyld watch it again.

This abortion, not a chance in hell of me ever watching it again after tonight. 

4,9,13 all have two or three matches worth watching again, tonight, like srossi stated, you have a 3 way womens match, and 1 bump by Shane(just the spot, not the match itself) as major points of the show.  The rest, belong at the first stage of a sewage treatment plant.

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srossi wrote: Either crowd is totally dead now or they pretty much turned the mics off. You could hear a pin drop.they turned the mics off

You could hear the crowd through the announcer mics, and earlier you could hear the ref telling HHH how much time had elapsed in the match.

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bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.Please say which WM has been worse than this one

Someone earlier said its worse than 9, and I agree this is way worse.



4,9,13
I thought 4 was too long, but I liked it, I liked 9 myself, besides hogan's bullshit at the end, and had no problem wittoh13o seek it out...t..Im not going to watch this one ever, as it doesn't sound like there is nothing I need to see, plus everyone seems to hate it, you're the only one Ive encountered on the web so far who has seemed to like it, everyone else thinks it's garbage....and no women's match post 1997 is going to get me to seek it out the majority suck.

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carpetbeggar wrote: bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.Please say which WM has been worse than this one

Someone earlier said its worse than 9, and I agree this is way worse.



4,9,13
I thought 4 was too long, but I liked it, I liked 9 myself, besides hogan's bullshit at the end, and had no problem wittoh13o seek it out...t..Im not going to watch this one ever, as it doesn't sound like there is nothing I need to see, plus everyone seems to hate it, you're the only one Ive encountered on the web so far who has seemed to like it, everyone else thinks it's garbage....and no women's match post 1997 is going to get me to seek it out the majority suck.
Look for the match on youtube tomorrow, its by far the only great thing about tonights show.

Those three stole the show tonight

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Fans loudly chanting for Nakamura despite mics being turned off. That is awesome.

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srossi wrote: Fans loudly chanting for Nakamura despite mics being turned off. That is awesome.They are desperately trying to mute the crowd, but all they doing is making it worse

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Sorry the only thing I thought was bad was the Rock vs Wyatt stuff.

Thought its been a good show.

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Think the main event has been very good so far.

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mike3775 wrote: srossi wrote: Fans loudly chanting for Nakamura despite mics being turned off. That is awesome.They are desperately trying to mute the crowd, but all they doing is making it worse

It might as well be an empty arena match. They destroyed the atmosphere. Better to allow the chants and boos than to have dead silence. 

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bpickering wrote: Sorry the only thing I thought was bad was the Rock vs Wyatt stuff.

Thought its been a good show.
I wish that was the only wrong thing about the show.


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mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Sorry the only thing I thought was bad was the Rock vs Wyatt stuff.

Thought its been a good show.
I wish that was the only wrong thing about the show.


 

Well thats your opinion.


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The crowd is so into this main event match, they are chanting "OLE"

Zayn is more over than Reigns

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People can kick out of finishers while they are totally beat up here at Wrestlemania.

But if the Rock hits a Rock Bottom on a perfectly fresh guy, it is over in 6 seconds.

LOL.

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bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Sorry the only thing I thought was bad was the Rock vs Wyatt stuff.

Thought its been a good show.
I wish that was the only wrong thing about the show.


 

Well thats your opinion.


My opinion seems to match pretty much every other place I have been posting at as well, as well as 5 different chatrooms, and facebook.

like someone said earlier, you seem to be the only one who thinks this has been a decent show

A decent show would not have part timers taking out current stars, and wouldn't have 3 washed up old timers take out 4 men, and have a non wrestler Rock beart someone in 6 seconds.

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mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.Please say which WM has been worse than this one

Someone earlier said its worse than 9, and I agree this is way worse.



4,9,13
I would rather watch 4 again, I would rather watch 9 again, and I was at 13, but wouyld watch it again.

This abortion, not a chance in hell of me ever watching it again after tonight. 

4,9,13 all have two or three matches worth watching again, tonight, like srossi stated, you have a 3 way womens match, and 1 bump by Shane(just the spot, not the match itself) as major points of the show.  The rest, belong at the first stage of a sewage treatment plant.


I was at 13.  I don't think I've seen it since, but I'd watch it again for Austin/Bret and that LOD/Nation street fight.  

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LOL @ piping in cheers with Reigns music and crowd is visibly booing

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Main event was very good I thought. 2nd best match of the night with the Woman's match being 1 st

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Blazer wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: mike3775 wrote: bpickering wrote: Not the worst show not the best show either. Last years was better.Please say which WM has been worse than this one

Someone earlier said its worse than 9, and I agree this is way worse.



4,9,13
I would rather watch 4 again, I would rather watch 9 again, and I was at 13, but wouyld watch it again.

This abortion, not a chance in hell of me ever watching it again after tonight. 

4,9,13 all have two or three matches worth watching again, tonight, like srossi stated, you have a 3 way womens match, and 1 bump by Shane(just the spot, not the match itself) as major points of the show.  The rest, belong at the first stage of a sewage treatment plant.


I was at 13.  I don't think I've seen it since, but I'd watch it again for Austin/Bret and that LOD/Nation street fight. 
Exactly, there are two matches on all three listed that are watchable still, but tonights, only 1.

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bpickering wrote: Main event was very good I thought. 2nd best match of the night with the Woman's match being 1 stThe crowd chanting OLE shows how much into Reigns they were

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Abortionmania 32 is officially over now

Wonder how much editing they will do for the replay, especially with the crowd in the main event

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Seven hours of my life I'll never get back. Damn you Vince.

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WongLee wrote: Seven hours of my life I'll never get back. Damn you Vince.So glad I netflixed my WWE Network

After this show, I feel WWE owes me money for my time being wasted

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You know what they didn't do?  None of the backstage interviews with Legends like we normally see.

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All this WM needed was for Hulk Hogan to come running out after eigns pinned HHH, talk to HHH, HHH waving him towards Reigns, and having Hogan pin Reigns to capture the WWE title again.

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The awesome music video at the end almost made it seem like this show was good.

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Boz1515 wrote: You know what they didn't do?  None of the backstage interviews with Legends like we normally see.
They did have time constraints you know, something had to give  :)

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Ladder match was good, surprise win helped

Styles vs Y2j was a great match.

New Day vs League was just ok. Win was booked to set up Foley Austin and HBK.

Brock vs Dean was good.

Womans Title match was best match of night

Hell cell was good

Battle Royal was ok like the person who won.

Main event was great.

Like I said not best but not the worst. I enjoyed it. I would give it 6/10

Only crap stuff was the rock/wyatt stuff

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mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: Seven hours of my life I'll never get back. Damn you Vince.So glad I netflixed my WWE Network

After this show, I feel WWE owes me money for my time being wasted

Anyone who would watch 7 straight hours of one wwe show needs their heads examined....and no im not going to say no offense because that is just stupid for guys in their 40's and older to be doing that.....actually no one should be doing that....this isn't pro wrestling...it isn't what we grew up on on, it never will be again....it's time to face the facts. An intervention is in order.

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bpickering wrote: Ladder match was good, surprise win helped

Styles vs Y2j was a great match.

New Day vs League was just ok. Win was booked to set up Foley Austin and HBK.

Brock vs Dean was good.

Womans Title match was best match of night

Hell cell was good

Battle Royal was ok like the person who won.

Main event was great.

Like I said not best but not the worst. I enjoyed it.

Only crap stuff was the rock/wyatt stuff


Ladder match was a middle-of-the-road spotfest, not great, not bad.  Definitely a shocking winner.

I enjoyed Styles vs. A.J. but the wrong guy won and this better set up something huge with the Balor Club tomorrow or they've already killed off another new guy.

New Day vs. League was a SD! match, not good at all, all the post-match stuff was short-sighted and further buried lots of guys who were already buried.

Brock vs. Dean was an abomination and I hated every single second of it with a passion.  Far away the worst thing on this show.

Women's title match was awesome.  Will probably get MOTY votes.

Hell in a Cell was basically one crazy spot. 

Battle royal was a nothing match but I liked that they gave the rub to Corbin.

Main event was pretty boring IMO.  I liked the swinging neckbreaker spot off the table.  Other than that, it was a decent Raw main event.

Rock/Cena stuff was hideous. 

This isn't counting a 2-hour Kickoff Show featuring several matches that were completely forgettable, except Ryback vs. Kalisto was decent.

7 hours was just way too long for what was delivered and the main event that was built towards.  The corpse was bloated and decayed before Reigns ever set foot in the ring. 

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Another reason the live crowd probably wasn't in a great mood by the time it was over. From PWInsider:

We have heard from numerous people that the entrance process into WrestleMania at AT&T Stadium is a slow, tedious (and in some cases violent) process due to the way the staff at AT&T Stadium is conducting entry.

Longtime Elite member Jim Deveraux sent word that gates did not open until about an hour ago and the process to enter was not at all orderly. A few correspondents have told us that the staff has not been very helpful. We have heard reports that people waited through the line, got to checkpoint to get in and were told they were in the wrong line and sent to another line to wait before they could enter.

A match was advertised to take place in the first hour of the pre-show, so fans were getting very anxious about not getting in to see it (there are less than 20 minutes left in the pre-show as I wrote this).

Jim said that over time, it became crazy. As he put it, "It's broken down into near anarchy - people are chanting this is bulls***, leaping fences, getting tackled by security, kids crying, people fainting in the heat. Line barely moves. Unbelievable."

I spoke with Mike Johnson and he confirmed that the process was slow and arduous as the staff at Dallas Cowboys' Stadium is treating the crowd as they do for a football game and taking them slowly through security checkpoints. The problem seems to be that the process should have started earlier.

The US Title match is about to start so there will be some unhappy people at the event live.

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Cool Picture Zack holding Razors Ic title then Razon holding Zack's IC title


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bpickering wrote: Cool Picture Zack holding Razors Ic title then Razon holding Zack's IC title



That is very cool.  I'm happy for Zack and I hope he doesn't drop the belt tomorrow to Larry Zbyszko, but I wouldn't be surprised.  I wonder what this means for Mojo Rawley?

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WWE.com had the balls to put up a Twitter poll asking if you enjoyed WM. With 3,671 votes in the past few minutes, it's 51% Yes, 49% No.

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So the unexpected length of the show has fucked with several people, including the Taz post-WM podcast which wound up going on the air during the main event, and the Beyond Wrestling indy show which was scheduled for a midnight bell time to allow people time to get to the building after watching WM but obviously that didn't happen.

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Brie Bella seems to have retired tonight, thus Nikki coming out to celebrate with her and all the ladies lifting her on their shoulders. Twitter comments by many WWE stars are basically saying goodbye to her.

The original plan was for her to retire this summer, but rumors started 2 weeks ago that she was wrapping up tonight or tomorrow night instead. 

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Funny thing about this thread is nobody officially put the result of Reigns v HHH...that match was so unimportant despite being the headline one for the title.

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kargol wrote: Funny thing about this thread is nobody officially put the result of Reigns v HHH...that match was so unimportant despite being the headline one for the title.
It's because we were all running towards our beds.

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carpetbeggar wrote: mike3775 wrote: WongLee wrote: Seven hours of my life I'll never get back. Damn you Vince.So glad I netflixed my WWE Network

After this show, I feel WWE owes me money for my time being wasted

Anyone who would watch 7 straight hours of one wwe show needs their heads examined....and no im not going to say no offense because that is just stupid for guys in their 40's and older to be doing that.....actually no one should be doing that....this isn't pro wrestling...it isn't what we grew up on on, it never will be again....it's time to face the facts. An intervention is in order.
It was WM, one would expect them to have at least an attempt at a decent show in that 7 hours though. 

I don't know how it was anywhere else, but in my house it was split depending on age brackets on enjoyment of the show.  My youngest kids, loved the show(at least until bedtime), the preteens/younger teens were so-so for the show, but anyone over 20 hated the show.  So I guess that will make WWE happy in a way, that kids liked the show, but it also shows a major screw up on their part by having Superman appear long after his biggest fans went to bed for the night

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Outside of the obvious build-up and winners for some of the matches, these were the things that disappointed me:

 - No backstage segments with Legends.  (Unless I missed them when I was in the bathroom which is possible, this show was really long lol).

- Undertaker blowing up and lying on the mat with Shane working around him.  If someone were to go back and watch this match over and take a stopwatch to figure out how much time Undertaker was lying on the mat or in a rest hold, I'm convinced it would be a non-flattering number.  I understand the "Undertaker love" and respect what he has done in the past, but people paid a lot for these tickets.  He probably needs to get in shape if they are gonna book him like that, otherwise he should come out with Austin, Foley, Michaels, etc.  The streak is over, this match looks pretty insignificant going forward, so why the spotlight with all of that time?

- The tag match switcheroo:

I forgot about the tag match being switched to non-title, but during the pregame show Booker T's entire commentary discussion was over this being a 3 vs 4 handicap tag.  For some reason, it turns into a 3-on-3 match.  I don't recall hearing a reason, maybe Barrett was hurt or something?




Things I liked:


- The stage was cool, so were the effects.

- Surprise winner in the I.C. match with Ryder.

- Women's match given time, entrance with Snoop etc.





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I really don't get the hate on the show. The pre show was mainly filler, we at it on ay my house but were cooking and doing other things while it was on, so it wasn't that important. The US title match was pretty cool, the others, meh.
Thought the main show was good. The only match I was disappointed in was the HIAC, I was expecting more violence and action than the spot, rest, spot, rest we got. The bump was crazy but did anyone else notice the crash pad under the announce table?
Brock/Dean was good, sure Brock won but Dean showed he can hang, just like he did with HHH last month. It gives him the rub to be in main events even though he lost this one.
AJ/ Jericho was good, I don't get the hate for AJ not winning, he won the last 3 matches, one loss won't kill him and both guys looked good out there.
Divas match got my vote for best of the night.
Ladder match was good, some really cool spots from Sami, and I like that Ryder won, that was unexpected and pretty cool.
Battle Royal was decent, I'm not a Corbin fan but it's someone new, so who knows. I was hoping that Titus would return early from his suspension and win, but it was not to be.
The Rock segment didn't bother me, it's the Rock, and he beat Rowan, who is the Wyatt job guy. Most people won't remember this segment in a few weeks, and since the Wyatts are injured I don't think this will lead to any long term negative effects on them. And I'd rather Cena come back in this segment than in a match.
Main event was OK,  solid but nothing spectacular. Everyone knew Reigns was winning, now it's a matter of where they go from here with it.
I'd give the show a 7.5/10, other than the HIAC for me, everything else was pretty solid. And if you discount the preshow matches, it was a solid 4 hr+ card.

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The show was way too long and frontloaded for the best matches, which tends to give people a lesser opinion of it going away. However, it was still a decent show. The issue is the WWE is using Roman Reigns in a way the fans don't want to see and which won't get over. These days jeering Cena is something people do more as creatures of habit than out of passion and he's always had a significant fan base which is how the dueling chants got started and why you can justify leaving him as a babyface. Reigns doesn't have that core support, so there's no one to alienate by turning him. If he were to give a blistering interview on Raw tonight, letting loose the emotions likely boiling inside him, blasting the fans and telling them to go to hell while attacking a sacred cow fan favorite in a heelish manner, the guy would be over like crazy right away as a heel and would be looked at by fans as a cool heel by Summerslam. The WWE's insistence on driving a square peg in a round hole baffles me when the solution is in front of them.

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OK - Everybody thinks Roman should go heel. And I believe WWE is taking him there because Rock didn't "put him over" like he did when he won the Rumble. BUT there was no way they were going to turn HHH face, because it goes against their plans.

So who does Roman turn heel on? Can't be Cena, because he'd get cheered if he beat him down. Who is so popular that he could turn on and become despised? Ambrose? Maybe, but he loses every match anyway. Does he just join with HHH and the Corporation? That might work because Rollins needs to be the face because people love him.

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Although Dean Ambrose is the best bet as a first foe for Roman, I think you could accomplish a heel turn for Roman by having him just act like a prick and "ruin" some stuff the fans like. Are AJ and Kalisto having a barn burner match? Have Roman come in and spoil the match by attacking them. Is Sami Zayn about to beat Kevin Owens? Roman can nail him with chair. Make Roman cost Zack Ryder the IC Title when he's about to get another upset win. Fans want to boo him. This would be the easiest turn ever.

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Reigns doesn't have the capability to cut a "blistering promo". It would come off goofy. He needs to stop talking. Heel, babyface, or tweener, he needs to stay kicking ass and saying nothing. He had a brooding look and isn't nearly as bad a worker as people pretend he is. He will get over if he doesn't talk. But WWE thinks every main eventer needs to cut a 20 minute promo every week.

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I think if Roman Reigns cut a heel promo, the inner rage he's likely feeling over the fans rejecting him would carry him through and the content could and should draw from that. He doesn't have to talk for twenty minutes then or afterwards, but he'd need to tell the fans to go to hell while thinking back to the embarrassment he felt for not getting the win last year in the Bay Area where he has so much family and so on. It's probably all wishful thinking. The WWE is deaf, blind, and dumb on this one.

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When's Rollins due back?? I want heel-Reigns vs. face-Rollins. However many RAW shows it takes make this happen bookers!;)

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chrob61 wrote: When's Rollins due back?? I want heel-Reigns vs. face-Rollins. However many RAW shows it takes make this happen bookers!;)
He's not even close to coming back yet. 

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srossi wrote: 101,763 is the attendance they're going with. Have no idea how legit that is but fuck you Hogan and your 93,000, fuck you!

Dag, that is harsh.  I will say this, I think there is a pretty good argument that Hulk and Andre drew their audience in large part, as compared to this show, where they drew 101,000 on the WWE brand in general.  This of course, being the same WWE brand that Hogan had a big hand in building in the first place.

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ESPN saying legit attendance was between 85,000-95,000.

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srossi wrote: ESPN saying legit attendance was between 85,000-95,000.
Really? Dag kayfabe still really isn't dead I guess.

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srossi wrote: ESPN saying legit attendance was between 85,000-95,000.
Though ignorant, I still have to ask....what makes it legit?


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Even with floor seating, it is impossible to put 101,000 into that stadium especially when you consider production seat kills and the field level suites being covered by moveable seating tiers. There is some seating flexibility from what is called rail seating. The seats in each fixed row are not anchored to the concrete. They're anchored to a rail which is then anchored to the concrete. By removing the armrests from each rail, an extra seat can be added to the row and expand the capacity. I'm not sure if that method was employed last night.

In addition to the seating bowl, AT&T Stadium has what it calls Party Plazas outside the stadium. These plazas have giants screens and stadium concessions and require a paid ticket for admission. So whether it's WrestleMania, the Cowboys, big concerts like George Strait or international soccer matches, AT&T Stadium counts the plaza fans in the total. It's ridiculous. Those fans aren't in the stadium itself and in fact could be anywhere. It would be like claiming the attendance for WrestleMania in 1985 was 500,000 by combining the MSG total with all the closed circuit TV venue crowds. My guess is they had 85,000 in the house and another 8,000 on the Party Plaza or the armrests were removed to get everyone indoors.

By the way, American Airlines in Dallas probably holds about 19,000 for Raw after seat kills are factored in. Right now there are 206 tickets on StubHub with a low price of $132 if you want to be on the highest tier. Lower level at mid ring is $417. People are asking for $450 up to $2,000 (good luck getting that) for floor seats.

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tamalie wrote: In addition to the seating bowl, AT&T Stadium has what it calls Party Plazas outside the stadium. These plazas have giants screens and stadium concessions and require a paid ticket for admission. So whether it's WrestleMania, the Cowboys, big concerts like George Strait or international soccer matches, AT&T Stadium counts the plaza fans in the total. It's ridiculous. Those fans aren't in the stadium itself and in fact could be anywhere. It would be like claiming the attendance for WrestleMania in 1985 was 500,000 by combining the MSG total with all the closed circuit TV venue crowds. My guess is they had 85,000 in the house and another 8,000 on the Party Plaza or the armrests were removed to get everyone indoors.

Yeah, that sounds like a numbers joke.  The question is, were there actually more paying customers for this than Wrestlemania 3?  I always heard Wrestlemania 3 was 87,000+.  So if this was closer to 85,000 then there is some serious garbage here lol.

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I was there. There were lots of fans standing in the concourse. They remained there for the entire show at least 5 or 6 deep. I know this because they blocked the stair entrance each time I got up for bathroom breaks or concession. 

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Dave Scherer blasts people who defend WM:

I have seen a lot of people on social media, including some in (or formerly in) the business, say how WrestleMania was great and if you didn't like it you don't understand the business. I have seen some fans say it too. Ironically, many of them watch wrestling one day a year now, so sure, you guys are happy seeing things like three older guys beat up the crew that just pinned the tag champions (and later see one member of the popular tag team champions get laid out by someone that qualifies for AARP).

You liked seeing the guy that lost to Fandango beat the new guy, the same person that demanded the match to dispose of the guy that lost to Fandango two years ago.

You loved seeing The Rock destroy the Wyatt family.

But guess what? As those guys continue to get older, this generation has very few talents that ten years from now will be able to be put in the spots that The Rock, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels and even Chris Jericho were in last night.

Also, despite a clear edict from the fan base that they did not want to see babyface Roman Reigns win the WWE Title, Vince ignored what they wanted and did it anyway. Unlike a few years ago when he was forced to give the paying customers what they wanted and got to drop confetti from the rafters for Daniel Bryan, this year he got to go off the air with a dead crowd and a champion that the vast majority of the fans don't want in that role.

For all of you that say people that didn't like the show don't understand the business, I counter that you all don't understand that unless you are putting the framework in place for the future, you will reach a point where most of your assets are gone and you will be in a barren place.

I 100 percent agree with the manta, "Live for today" but a wise person also plans for tomorrow. When you look at the finishes and character development (or lack thereof) from last night, WWE only did half of that last night.

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AS much as it pains me to say this, but Scherer is right

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They did this shit in the past. They jobbed HHH to Warrior in about 10 seconds. Austin never put Rock over. But then there was WCW to take away the dead wood. Today less so.

Reading the reports though made me wonder whether WM was an advert for Raw rather than vice versa. Whether that is Network thinking. Because I could see a total reboot tonight as the likes of Styles go mediaeval on the likes of Jericho and dismantle them. And maybe Heyman will turn heel on Lesnar by signing up Reigns.

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kargol wrote:  Austin never put Rock over.
Didn't Rock beat Austin at Wrestlemania 19?

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tamalie wrote: Even with floor seating, it is impossible to put 101,000 into that stadium especially when you consider production seat kills and the field level suites being covered by moveable seating tiers. 
Only a few sections of seats were blocked by staging, and the party plazas were open. The 101k figure could be legit.
The show itself was average at best. Glad I didn't pay PPV prices for it.

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Boz1515 wrote: kargol wrote:  Austin never put Rock over.
Didn't Rock beat Austin at Wrestlemania 19?

He may have done, but I was thinking of the time when Rock was meant to beat him for the IC title and Austin refused.  Would have helped make Rock a lot earlier.

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Outside of a couple highlights (Womens and ladder matches were the best things on the show) it was pretty lacklustre overall.  I wanna share in some of the dope the booker was smoking.

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Ok, so it was the booking that everyone seems to have a problem with...

Jericho/Styles...Jericho hadn't beaten Styles at all before that match. I get that people wanted Styles to go over, but it's not insane that he didn't either.

I don't get the McMahon/Taker ending either, at least, not a clean win. I expected some sort of interference. But it seemed like they didn't even care about the big stipulation.

I thought Lesnar/Ambrose went exactly as planned. Ambrose comes out looking like the sympathetic face that won't give up. Got his ass whipped around for 20 minutes.

6 man tag match, heels got the win. But the post match stuff was the WM "moment". Fans upset that New Day lost didn't care. Hasn't this been going on for decades?

I just don't get the hate. It wasn't a crazy awesome show. But that had more to do with the match choices for me, as I don't care for LoN at all (waste of Rusev)and I would've gone with Zayne vs. Owens for IC title and had the ladder match for US title (like rossi mentioned).

But everyone worked hard and did their best to put on a good show.

Haters just want to hate.

My son's best friend went, and he and his Dad came over last night and said that the boos for Reigns were loud, but that they were definitely outdone by the cheers when he won.

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DaNkinator wrote: Jericho/Styles...Jericho hadn't beaten Styles at all before that match. I get that people wanted Styles to go over, but it's not insane that he didn't either.


Several people have said that but I'm almost positive that Jericho and Styles are now 2-2 in their series.  They exchanged victories on TV and Styles won at the last PPV, then Jericho won at WM.  I think people were fine with Styles winning 2-1 in the best of 3 series, but then it started to make no sense when Styles had to beg Jericho for a 4th match after he already won, and then he winds up losing that match he begged for.  That's just not the way you book a babyface.

I thought Lesnar/Ambrose went exactly as planned. Ambrose comes out looking like the sympathetic face that won't give up. Got his ass whipped around for 20 minutes.

The match was substantially shorter than that, maybe 12-13 minutes, and Lesnar dominated 90% of it and only sold the weapons shots, then still won.  Again, not the way you book a babyface IMO.  Not to mention that the weapons were a perfect way to have Lesnar lose while still remaining strong and elevating Ambrose nonetheless.  Lesnar didn't need that win at all and Ambrose looks awful for losing it.

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srossi wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Jericho/Styles...Jericho hadn't beaten Styles at all before that match. I get that people wanted Styles to go over, but it's not insane that he didn't either.


Several people have said that but I'm almost positive that Jericho and Styles are now 2-2 in their series. 


Pretty sure this is true, a 2-2 tie.  If I recall correctly, Jericho won the 2nd match, and it may have been on Smackdown.

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Thing is, it's so easy to be critical of everything anymore and tear something apart because you didn't like who won. It hardly matters who wins and loses anymore, and once you get past your favorites losing you had a bunch of guys who went out and worked their asses off to put on a good show. They were missing a TON of guys who should've been headlining, nothing you can do there. It's not old timely smoke filled arena wrestling anymore, it's entertainment, and the E put on a show Sunday, albeit an extremely long one. I enjoyed the show for what it was, it wasn't the best Mania, but certainly not the worst. I don't read spoilers before the show so I didn't have any expectations of who "should've" been there and wasn't #omgworstshowever once it was over. I don't get mad when the guys I want to win don't, because it doesn't matter, just like how I don't get mad at tv shows when the characters do something stupid. It's all part of the storyline, WM isn't the season finale, and everyone who went batshit crazy because AJ lost on Sunday can calm down because he's the next number one contender now....see, it's not the end of the world.

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The Lesnar result I'm good with. The Styles and New Day results (and to a lesser extent the women's match) did not elevate who they should (or could in the case of the women)have elevated.



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