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Philadelphia became the first major American city with a soda tax on Thursday despite a multimillion-dollar campaign by the beverage industry to block it.
The City Council gave final approval to a 1.5 cent-per-ounce tax on sugary and diet beverages.
Only Berkeley, California, had a similar law. Soda tax proposals have failed in more than 30 cities and states in recent years. Such plans are typically criticized as disproportionately affecting the poor, who are more likely to consume sugary drinks.
But Democratic Mayor Jim Kenney sold the council on the idea with a plan to spend most of the estimated $90 million (U.S.) in new tax revenue next year to pay for prekindergarten, community schools and recreation centres.
"Thanks to the tireless advocacy of educators, parents, recreation centre volunteers and so many others, Philadelphia made a historic investment in our neighbourhoods and in our education system today," the mayor said after the vote.
The tax, which passed 13-4, is a hard-fought win for the city. The soda industry spent millions of dollars in advertising against the proposal, arguing that the tax would be costly to consumers. The plan also attracted national attention and dollars, with former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Texas billionaires John and Laura Arnold, advocates for less consumption of sugary drinks, funding ads in support.
Immediately after the vote, beverage bottling businessman Harold Honickman promised to fight the tax in court.
"I'd love to start a case tomorrow," he said, noting he could file a lawsuit as soon as this weekend.


Honickman spent an estimated $1.7 million fighting the tax. He said the tax would mean sales will go down and jobs will be lost.
Teamsters Local 830 secretary-treasurer Daniel Grace agreed a legal battle is ahead.
"We offered alternatives, and they didn't want to listen," Grace said.
Many communities where soda tax proposals have failed sought it as a way to discourage consumers from buying sugary beverages for health reasons.
The case could certainly be made for a healthier Philadelphia, where more than 68 per cent of adults and 41 per cent of children are overweight or obese. But Kenney focused on public interest over public health in making the argument to tax sugary drinks.
He said last week that Americans generally reject other people telling them what's healthy for them, so his administration tried to stay away from that. He said any health benefits coming from the tax are just a bonus.
The tax won't start getting collected until Jan. 1, but it will enter into the fiscal budget July 1.
The tax will be levied on distributors. If they pass it entirely on to consumers, a six-pack of 16-ounce bottles, for example, would go up $1.44.
Some of the money raised by the tax will go to pay for city employee benefits and pet projects of council members and to build up municipal provide budget reserves.
Groups of pre-K students clustered outside City Hall on Thursday doing geyser experiments with soda and Mentos, and they gathered in the hallway near chambers with headbands reading "Pre-K rocks!"
The No Philly Grocery Tax group had a big display on the plaza with stacks of drinks and graphs showing how much consumers would pay if the tax passed.

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And all that money is going towards maintaining the parks and schools.

Why do I not believe that.

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beejmi wrote: And all that money is going towards maintaining the parks and schools.

Why do I not believe that.

Politicians always seem to use school funding as a "hostage" to get what they want.  Any time the government wants to raise taxes or gain a new source of tax revenue (such as lottery, casinos, etc), they claim that the money will be used for school funding. Despite these claims, the schools in my area (Maryland) seem to always battle to get adequate school funding in the budget every year despite new casinos popping up all over the state. I really wish that an independent auditor would investigate this...

1) Is the money not going to schools but going into somebody else's pocket?

OR

2) Are schools really receiving all of the additional funding but their expenses (teacher salaries, new school construction, technology costs, etc) exceed the funding?

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Remember when people used to claim that it was conservatives that wanted to have a say over every aspect of your life?  Fun times, fun times.

First they came for the bottles of pop, the light bulbs, the e-cigs, BPA plastic, super-sized meals, bug repellent, seat belts, and the puddles on your property...



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I guessed correctly. What does that FTW Eagles fan say about this?

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One Fan Gang wrote: I guessed correctly. What does that FTW Eagles fan say about this?
The fat black kid? He lives in CA.



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More affluent people people live in the suburbs and will never pay this tax.
 
It is fairly well known that Philly has several former-politicians on their payroll collecting $150,000+ pensions each year. Money gotta come from somewhere.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: And all that money is going towards maintaining the parks and schools.

Why do I not believe that.

Politicians always seem to use school funding as a "hostage" to get what they want.  Any time the government wants to raise taxes or gain a new source of tax revenue (such as lottery, casinos, etc), they claim that the money will be used for school funding. Despite these claims, the schools in my area (Maryland) seem to always battle to get adequate school funding in the budget every year despite new casinos popping up all over the state. I really wish that an independent auditor would investigate this...

1) Is the money not going to schools but going into somebody else's pocket?

OR

2) Are schools really receiving all of the additional funding but their expenses (teacher salaries, new school construction, technology costs, etc) exceed the funding?

There are so many fundamental flaws with our school system that money can't even help much.  We spend more money on our schools per student than any country in the world I think, and it doesn't seem to make an impact. 



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srossi wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: And all that money is going towards maintaining the parks and schools.

Why do I not believe that.

Politicians always seem to use school funding as a "hostage" to get what they want.  Any time the government wants to raise taxes or gain a new source of tax revenue (such as lottery, casinos, etc), they claim that the money will be used for school funding. Despite these claims, the schools in my area (Maryland) seem to always battle to get adequate school funding in the budget every year despite new casinos popping up all over the state. I really wish that an independent auditor would investigate this...

1) Is the money not going to schools but going into somebody else's pocket?

OR

2) Are schools really receiving all of the additional funding but their expenses (teacher salaries, new school construction, technology costs, etc) exceed the funding?

There are so many fundamental flaws with our school system that money can't even help much.  We spend more money on our schools per student than any country in the world I think, and it doesn't seem to make an impact.

That's because that claim is very misleading.  we may spend that much if broken down per student, but the portion of that budget being spent on actual instruction/education is way less, as most of it is spent on overhead.

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...aaaand the tax raises nearly $13 million less than anticipated. You know, it's almost like Dems/Libs/Leftists don't know a fucking thing about economics and just make up laws based on their feelz. What's their answer to the soda tax shortfall? Why, it's raise property taxes, of course!

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/03/philadelphia-soda-tax-fizzles-brings-in-13-million-less-than-expected/



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So the tax wasn’t about making the population healthier it was about making money off of the people.

This is why I rarely get behind anything because I know it’s usually bullshit



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Franchise wrote: So the tax wasn’t about making the population healthier it was about making money off of the people.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttt?!  Why I never!



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But how much has been saved because people are not drinking so many fizzy drinks? Days lost through ill-health, hospitals being bunged up by fatties &c?



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kargol wrote: But how much has been saved because people are not drinking so many fizzy drinks? Days lost through ill-health, hospitals being bunged up by fatties &c?
Just going out on a limb here, but I'm going to say it's somewhere south of fuck-all. 



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kargol wrote: But how much has been saved because people are not drinking so many fizzy drinks? Days lost through ill-health, hospitals being bunged up by fatties &c?
Yeah because the sole reason people are fat is because of soda.  It's not like genetics, no exercise, and a million other unhealthy things you can shovel into your mouth might also be a contributing factor.  To answer your question, I'm thinking exactly 56 cents. 



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