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I figure it would be easier if we put up just one official I hate Cops thread, we can make Rossi the mod and let Wong be his assistant, it would be so much easier or us all instead of having to scroll more than 4 subject headers to find something new to bitch about.

Mods, please make this a sticky.:)

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My little guy will know not to trust the Police.

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Take a day off from this board and still get blamed for shit. I haven't even started any of the recent cop threads on here. Katook, much like his corrupt family members, has the wrong man. The truth is the cops have made it so you don't have to go far to find cop haters anymore. I was an OG though. :)

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katook wrote: I figure it would be easier if we put up just one official I hate Cops thread, we can make Rossi the mod and let Wong be his assistant, it would be so much easier or us all instead of having to scroll more than 4 subject headers to find something new to bitch about.

Mods, please make this a sticky.:)


Make it a sticky?

How about an entire new forum?

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Ever notice how the argument about cops is similar to the argument about Muslims? They're all bad... not they aren't... yes they are... no...

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beejmi wrote: katook wrote: I figure it would be easier if we put up just one official I hate Cops thread, we can make Rossi the mod and let Wong be his assistant, it would be so much easier or us all instead of having to scroll more than 4 subject headers to find something new to bitch about.

Mods, please make this a sticky.:)


Make it a sticky?

How about an entire new forum?

Beej slides under the radar because he's not as vociferous as myself and Wong, but our fearless leader is actually a big-time "cop-hater" from way back and was posting cop threads before even I was, maybe as far back as the OSW days.  Katook didn't realize what kind of board he was joining I guess.

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yellowdog wrote: Ever notice how the argument about cops is similar to the argument about Muslims? They're all bad... not they aren't... yes they are... no...
For me, there's a clear difference.  I suppose it depends how you define "bad" as I think anyone who identifies too strongly with any religion is an asshole because there are certain horrible concepts that you have to accept to be in the club, and for Muslims it's worse than most.  But that said, you can still be entirely non-threatening to society as a devout Muslim even if you believe most of that wacked out shit. 

With a cop, even if you're not killing and violating rights at every turn, you HAVE to, as a condition of employment, cover for those who do.  That's an entirely different story which is why I don't buy into the "few bad apples" theory.  If you rat, you're no longer a cop, at least not for long.  So by definition, cops are criminals.  If any regular citizen is convicted of covering up a murder, home invasion, robbery, etc., we go to jail too.  Cops get a promotion for doing the same, or at least get to keep their hefty pensions so they can feed their drinking habit well into their senior years. 

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The cop must have feared for his life from a Killer Deer.
Seriously what is wrong with some of these fuckers. 


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A much sillier level of douchiness than the normal murder, but being that it has it's own thread now and everything, listen to a retired NYC detective talk about makeup and female Olympic athletes.  It's as cringe-worthy as you would think.  Only the best and brightest for NY's Finest.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/bo-dietl-nerve-000000795.html

Thanks to the folks at Fox News, the world has been provided with another round of idle, misinformed musings about the way women should look. Sports Court tapped Bo Dietl and Mark Simone to air their opinions on whether or not female athletes should feel empowered by wearing makeup, and the conversation was as cringeworthy as you could imagine.

Simone, a radio and TV personality (Donald Trump is a big fan) argued that women should wear makeup in order to get sponsorships from makeup brands. This reasoning is fine, once you forget that there are a few other sponsorships available to athletes as a result of winning at the Olympics — not just from cosmetic companies.

Following Simone’s somewhat questionable commentary, Dietl, a former New York City Police Department detective and media personality (which obviously makes him very qualified to weigh in on the topic) took the conversation to a new level of ignorance. “When you see an athlete, why should I have to look at some chick’s zits or some guy’s zits on his face? Why not a little blush on her lips, and cover those zits?” he said to host Tamara Holder. “I like to see a person who wins that gold medal go up there and look beautiful.”

A man who seems confused about where blush typically goes should probably keep quiet about how much makeup a woman should or shouldn’t wear. “A little lipstick, a little something doesn’t hurt the track stars, doesn’t hurt the people that are competing.” Interesting he would mention that considering the opposite also doesn’t actually hurt the viewers. But whatever!

Dietl, in the name of feminism, opined that he believes men should also wear a bit of makeup to look more presentable on camera, saying that Michael Phelps could use a little “blushitation” — his words, y’all — to collect his medals. “Don’t look like a white rat,” he said of the swimmer’s appearance. Dietl also noted that he himself had no makeup on for the segment, subjecting us to the same agony he feels every time he sees a pimple on an athlete.

“Would you put money behind a gal that won the gold medal and looks liked a washed-out rag?” Dietl asked, sounding more like a tanning bed victim than an expert with any credibility. “No. If she looked beautiful, and looked a little happy-looking, then you’d support her.” Perhaps we’d do the same if Dietl took some of his own advice. Or just stopped talking altogether — either one.

Bottom line: These athletes are some of the most physically fit human beings in the world and have worked and trained hard to accomplish their goals.

Appearance is important, but that’s not going to win you a gold medal. If female athletes — or male athletes, for that matter — feel empowered wearing makeup, then they should do what makes them feel good. If they would prefer to leave the highlight and contour to the beauty bloggers, that’s also acceptable.

And if Dietl has any more dumb opinions on this subject, perhaps he should take a good look at how he presents himself before opening his mouth to criticize an Olympian.

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beejmi wrote: katook wrote: I figure it would be easier if we put up just one official I hate Cops thread, we can make Rossi the mod and let Wong be his assistant, it would be so much easier or us all instead of having to scroll more than 4 subject headers to find something new to bitch about.

Mods, please make this a sticky.:)


Make it a sticky?

How about an entire new forum?
Great idea.

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Great news for the cop haters. 100 people have been shot since this month. Isn't a non-confrontational police force great?

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BlueThunder wrote: Great news for the cop haters. 100 people have been shot since this month. Isn't a non-confrontational police force great?
Oh stop.  Even at their best, cops rarely prevent shootings, they just make an arrest after the shooting.  At their worst, which is what we usually see, they escalate violence and create more shootings.  This "non-confrontational" police force narrative that you're trying to spread, based on one pussy friend that you have, is a myth.  There's no evidence that the police have changed tactics at all.  

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Shaking my head wondering if Rossi is suffering from cognitive dissonance, or just plain ignorance.

No shit they usually make an arrest after a shooting, 99% of the time they aren't there in the first place.

Secondly, to enlighten the ignorance, any time a cop fires his firearm, a taser, of his can of act right spray, he is required to submit in writing a report of who, what, where, when and why, and cops absolutely hate paperwork or having their actions reviewed by sob sister Captains, many of which are political appointees who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and sure as hell have never done any street work and whose daily routine is writing reports and eating donuts.

The same ones who actually believe that it's perfectly reasonable to expect a 5'10" 225 lb. cop to be able to subdue a 6'4" 350 Lb. monster high on drugs with a simple wristlock, or that you have to let the bad guy get away with at least 1 or 2 free shots at you before shooting back, and why didn't you shoot him once in the arm or leg to wound the poor misunderstood cretin who just tried to kill you, after all it works just like that in the goddamm movies.

I'm not even trying to be insulting, the averege Joe Blow or message board poster has about as much an idea what police work is like as they do biochemical engeneering on the molecular level to produce a better disease resistant ear of corn.


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katook wrote: Shaking my head wondering if Rossi is suffering from cognitive dissonance, or just plain ignorance.

No shit they usually make an arrest after a shooting, 99% of the time they aren't there in the first place.

Not everything's about you, snowflake.  I was replying to BT's post that seemed to insinuate that less aggressive police tactics are causing shootings to increase.  So you basically just said the same exact thing I did.  Of course the police aren't usually there to stop a shooting before it happens, nor do I expect them to be, which is my point.

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Using KC as an example, there's a website which shows where all the homicides in the city occur

http://homicide.kansascity.com/map

If you click on it and then select year, say 2015 it shows where all the murders are. So looking at that map, only 2 occured north of the river (where I live) and actually only one with 10 miles of me. The majority occur in the shitty parts of the city, which I"m sure is the case in most major towns. So from my perspective, if cops here locally slowed down their efforts up north (because it's a different police dept) than downtown, should I really care that much? It's not like I'm in the middle of a war zone, and pretty much shit all happens here other than cops questioning me walking my dogs or expired tag issues.

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katook wrote:

Secondly, to enlighten the ignorance, any time a cop fires his firearm, a taser, of his can of act right spray, he is required to submit in writing a report of who, what, where, when and why, and cops absolutely hate paperwork or having their actions reviewed by sob sister Captains, many of which are political appointees who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and sure as hell have never done any street work and whose daily routine is writing reports and eating donuts.

The same ones who actually believe that it's perfectly reasonable to expect a 5'10" 225 lb. cop to be able to subdue a 6'4" 350 Lb. monster high on drugs with a simple wristlock, or that you have to let the bad guy get away with at least 1 or 2 free shots at you before shooting back, and why didn't you shoot him once in the arm or leg to wound the poor misunderstood cretin who just tried to kill you, after all it works just like that in the goddamm movies.

I'm not even trying to be insulting, the averege Joe Blow or message board poster has about as much an idea what police work is like as they do biochemical engeneering on the molecular level to produce a better disease resistant ear of corn.


I don't know about your neck of the woods but up here in the wicked city the ONLY way you make Captain is going up the ranks from patrolman via a civil service test. There is no such thing as a political appointee for any police position in New York City or Long Island except the Commissioner. A captain is usually a precinct commander. They all know the streets because they started their careers in the street. If a high profile crime goes down in their district their asses are right out their in the street with the other blue clowns.


Just how many 6'4" 350lb. monster does a cop come across every day. Ummmm....none. How about getting the pigs to stop shooting and beating unarmed teenagers and pensioners?  The complete pussiness of your average pig baffles me. I mean these guys are literally afraid of everything.


I don't know a thing about biochemical engineering and I'm sure nobody on this board, with the possible exception of tamalie who knows fucking everything :) , do either. Police work, with its rigid high school graduate requirements, obviously has thousands of subhumans on the "job" with double digit IQ's so knowing what police work is like is something that a fairly bright 5 year old can learn.

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srossi wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Great news for the cop haters. 100 people have been shot since this month. Isn't a non-confrontational police force great?
Oh stop.  Even at their best, cops rarely prevent shootings, they just make an arrest after the shooting.  At their worst, which is what we usually see, they escalate violence and create more shootings.  This "non-confrontational" police force narrative that you're trying to spread, based on one pussy friend that you have, is a myth.  There's no evidence that the police have changed tactics at all.  


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html?_r=0

http://nypost.com/2016/07/09/how-the-ferguson-effect-is-destroying-chicago/

Oh, and it isn't just "one pussy" that's de policing, it's pretty much every cop I know.

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BlueThunder wrote: srossi wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Great news for the cop haters. 100 people have been shot since this month. Isn't a non-confrontational police force great?
Oh stop.  Even at their best, cops rarely prevent shootings, they just make an arrest after the shooting.  At their worst, which is what we usually see, they escalate violence and create more shootings.  This "non-confrontational" police force narrative that you're trying to spread, based on one pussy friend that you have, is a myth.  There's no evidence that the police have changed tactics at all.  


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/us/murder-rates-cities-fbi.html?_r=0

http://nypost.com/2016/07/09/how-the-ferguson-effect-is-destroying-chicago/

Oh, and it isn't just "one pussy" that's de policing, it's pretty much every cop I know.

Well I'm not reading the NY Post article because I'd lose brain cells and I assume you're just lightening the mood by including that as a serious "reference" and want me to rebut it by citing the Weekly World News.  But the NY Times article you posted a link to merely talks about an uptick in homicides and literally begins with the words "Experts cannot agree".  Surprsie, surprise, the "YouTube effect" theory is credited to Commissioner Bratton and the "Fergusen effect" is a term coined by a St. Louis police chief. 

In the very article you cite as proof, it says, "The agency’s director, James Comey, has linked rising crime to less aggressive policing — the “viral video effect,” he called it this week, rejecting the more racially charged “Ferguson effect.” His theory, however, found little support from the White House, law enforcement groups, criminologists or even the group that gave him the new data on Friday."

Alrighty then.  So someone with an agenda talked out of his ass and everyone laughed at him, even law enforcement groups.  And even that guy rejected the "Fergusen effect" at least.  And all this is in the article YOU provided me.  I could've linked you to that article to prove my point actually. 

You're searching for a correlation that doesn't exist, especially when you consider that crime was on the rise, especially in Chicago, long before Fergusen.  This is like the reverse of the "broken windows theory", which has repeatedly been disproven by actual data which shows that crime was plummeting long before Rudy was ever elected, nationally, in NY, everywhere, but he loves to take credit for it.     

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More fearing for lives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3737500/Graphic-video-shows-two-NYPD-cops-pinning-punching-black-man-police-say-serial-burglar-broke-detective-s-nose.html

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Another case of the cop acting completely appropriately, according to supervisors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/16/father-utterly-terrified-after-trooper-points-gun-at-his-7-year-old-during-traffic-stop/?utm_term=.0483732f5d95

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What a nightmare for that father and daughter.

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Franchise wrote: What a nightmare for that father and daughter.
But it's the father's fault for being "negative" about the experience online.  LOL 

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why can't the officers do a little work before pulling the gun? Talk to the guy and find out it's a rental, maybe call the rental place, I'm sure they have someone on call. Why not let the dad stay in the car? If the officer was worried about him running how about he just takes the keys while he looks into this? That way the father can sit with his daughter. The police need all the help they can get to clean up their image and stuff like this doesnt help.

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Franchise wrote: why can't the officers do a little work before pulling the gun? Talk to the guy and find out it's a rental, maybe call the rental place, I'm sure they have someone on call. Why not let the dad stay in the car? If the officer was worried about him running how about he just takes the keys while he looks into this? That way the father can sit with his daughter. The police need all the help they can get to clean up their image and stuff like this doesnt help.
Because the cops have one job and one job only and that's to not get shot, even in the most unlikeliest of scenarios.  They're lives are worth more than everyone else's.  If they have to murder a family of 12 and their dogs because there's a 0.5% chance they might be killed, they'll do it.  Even though they signed up for the lifestyle and we didn't.   

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: why can't the officers do a little work before pulling the gun? Talk to the guy and find out it's a rental, maybe call the rental place, I'm sure they have someone on call. Why not let the dad stay in the car? If the officer was worried about him running how about he just takes the keys while he looks into this? That way the father can sit with his daughter. The police need all the help they can get to clean up their image and stuff like this doesnt help.
Because the cops have one job and one job only and that's to not get shot, even in the most unlikeliest of scenarios.  They're lives are worth more than everyone else's.  If they have to murder a family of 12 and their dogs because there's a 0.5% chance they might be killed, they'll do it.  Even though they signed up for the lifestyle and we didn't.  
Cops are slightly more intelligent than hobo ejaculate. They do not possess the brainpower to understand whatever scenario is unfolding in front of them so they go right into primal mode. The police departments want people with barely average IQ's that will blindly follow orders. If you bring a high IQ and deductive reasoning to the table, the police do not want you. I mean really. They do not want you.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836


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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: why can't the officers do a little work before pulling the gun? Talk to the guy and find out it's a rental, maybe call the rental place, I'm sure they have someone on call. Why not let the dad stay in the car? If the officer was worried about him running how about he just takes the keys while he looks into this? That way the father can sit with his daughter. The police need all the help they can get to clean up their image and stuff like this doesnt help.
Because the cops have one job and one job only and that's to not get shot, even in the most unlikeliest of scenarios.  They're lives are worth more than everyone else's.  If they have to murder a family of 12 and their dogs because there's a 0.5% chance they might be killed, they'll do it.  Even though they signed up for the lifestyle and we didn't.  
Cops are slightly more intelligent than hobo ejaculate. They do not possess the brainpower to understand whatever scenario is unfolding in front of them so they go right into primal mode. The police departments want people with barely average IQ's that will blindly follow orders. If you bring a high IQ and deductive reasoning to the table, the police do not want you. I mean really. They do not want you.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836



It's the same line of thinking as the military, but that makes more sense since military kids are meant to be sent to slaughter. Cops actually need to think occasionally. 

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I haven't read through the entire highjinx of this thread, but is anybody here supporting the notion that the black police officer who shot the black criminal who was pulling a gun in Milwaukee was acting in an aggressive and racist manner?  Because that's what CNN wants people to think, even excluding the criminal/victim's sister's suggestion to "go burn down the suburbs". 

It's fucking insanity.

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If the police are gonna shoot you when you ain't got a gun, you fo sho oughtta know that they will when you do.

It's pretty stupid to think otherwise.

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HBF wrote: I haven't read through the entire highjinx of this thread, but is anybody here supporting the notion that the black police officer who shot the black criminal who was pulling a gun in Milwaukee was acting in an aggressive and racist manner?  Because that's what CNN wants people to think, even excluding the criminal/victim's sister's suggestion to "go burn down the suburbs". 

It's fucking insanity.

I didn't see any video (if it exists) so I have no idea.  People need to stop with the racism bullshit though.  It's a power play, pure and simple, an act of state-sponsored aggression to assert control.  It has nothing to do with the race of the cop.  He's one of them, and wants to take out who he perceives as thugs as much as any white cop does.  Maybe moreso, because he might come from those neighborhoods and knows that those thugs are him without the badge.  Prison guards are the same way, even worse.  Mostly lowlifes with low histories of being around crime (if not directly involved in it) who love the power of a little authority and use it like a high school bully does.  The race of the authority figure is completely irrelevant, and although I would never pretend that blacks don't get targeted more than whites by cops, the race of the so-called perpetrator rarely has anything to do with it either.  Cops assert authority and they do it violently.  Period.  Black Lives Matter need to start getting more inclusive (and yes, stop being so fucking racist themselves) and reach out to the thousands of people of all colors and races who have been victimized.  Nothing changes as long as it's black vs. white.  The cops are all laughing at them by alienating so many.  They know there will never be real repercussions that way.   

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Great news!  The first pet murder by the NYPD to result in a monetary win of any kind in civil court!  Only $21,500 and a settlement but sets a precedent for larger suits in the future.  Of course, this is all just coming out of taxpayer dollars, but people are trying to get it to come out of pension funds.  Yeah, a pipedream but we can try.
http://www.silive.com/westshore/index.ssf/2014/06/settlement_in_dog-shooting_law.html


STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- Patricia Ratz's pit bull, Baby Girl, was more than just a dog.
Rescued by Ms. Ratz before she could be euthanized by Animal Care and Control, the 2-year-old was a loyal companion and friend and a playmate to Ms. Ratz's kids.
So after Baby Girl was fatally shot and killed by police in a tragic incident in Travis' Schmul Park last year, Ms. Ratz sued the city, seeking to deter further pet killings, her lawyer said.
Ms. Ratz recently settled the suit in Brooklyn federal court for $21,500, court records show.


"It was never a money thing," said Ms. Ratz in a telephone conversation. "I want to stop them from killing animals."
"We hope that the police department and the city treats animal-shooting cases more fairly in the future, and hope this is a sign they'll do so," said Ms. Ratz's lawyer, Leah M. Busby of the Law Office of Ronald L. Kuby.
Ms. Ratz said she had incurred $17,000 in veterinary bills in an unsuccessful bid to save her pet's life.
A spokesman for the city Law Department, which handled the legal case for the city and NYPD, said the settlement "was in the best interests of all parties."
According to Ms. Ratz, she and her sister had brought their three pit bulls to Schmul Park for an outing on April 6, 2013. Two of the dogs – not Baby Girl – began to fight, and when Ms. Ratz put her hand between the two dogs, trying to break up the battle, one of the dogs bit her hand.
A police officer and another officer in civilian clothing, both on scene, drew their guns in response to her screams and began firing, shooting more than eight rounds, Ms. Ratz said.
She said the park was filled with children.
Police sources said all three dogs were off their leashes, and the officers rushed to the scene because of Ms. Ratz's screams.
According to police, responding officers had tried to help Ms. Ratz, and in the attempt to get the dog off her, fired off some shots.
At the time, multiple NYPD sources characterized it as a "cut-and-dried" instance of an officer shooting an aggressive dog to protect the public.
But Ms. Ratz and her sister, Kathleen Dixon, maintained their dogs posed no threat.
Both said Baby Girl had run off in fear after a bullet struck her paw, but the officers kept firing off rounds, hitting her again from behind until the dog eventually collapsed. The other dogs had also been scared off, they said.
Ms. Dixon said she was calming the dogs down when the officers fired.
Baby Girl succumbed to her wounds five days later, despite multiple surgeries to try to save her.
Before her tragic end, the 2-year-old pit bull spent her days playing with Ms. Ratz's three young children, snuggling up with the family rabbit and two cats, and simply enjoying being alive.
"Adopt one and tell me if you think they're still dangerous," Ms. Ratz recently told the Advance, referring to those who assume all pit bulls are vicious.
According to Advance reports, Baby Girl cheated death in the fall of 2012 when she was minutes away from being euthanized.
Courtney Bellow, of the Northeast Region of Special Needs Animal Rescue and Rehabilitation (SNARR), said the group tries to match at-risk dogs with a home before they're put down.
Ms. Bellow paired Baby Girl with Ms. Ratz, who already had fostered three dogs, one of which she adopted. Ms. Bellow said animal shelter volunteers who dealt with the dog raved about her good behavior.

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Staten Island police are a bunch of cunts...if anybody deserves to get hit in the head with a baseball bat, it's a Staten Island cop under the age of 30

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Superstar wrote: Staten Island police are a bunch of cunts...if anybody deserves to get hit in the head with a baseball bat, it's a Staten Island cop under the age of 30There's a reason for that. Staten Island would be considered a plum assignment because of the low crime rates and mostly middle class to upper middle class demographic. A cop who is under 30 with only a scant few years on the job who gets assigned there is probably well connected and a second, third, or maybe even fourth generation piggy. This would make their sense of entitlement even worse then your average mouth breather cop.

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This needs a bump.

There's a video at the link, not that it will matter even if people hear it with their own ears.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/21/aclu-connecticut-state-troopers-caught-o

One Friday evening last September, Connecticut resident Michael Picard was doing what he usually does: standing on a strip of grass by an Interstate onramp and protesting the government.

Picard, a local privacy activist, often protests police DUI checkpoints, which he believes are unconstitutional and a waste of money. That night he was holding a sign warning motorists of a DUI checkpoint farther up the road. Picard, like any good protester these days, also had a camera to document his interactions with police.

What he ended capturing on video is now at the center of a civil rights lawsuit filed Monday on Picard's behalf by the Connecticut ACLU against three state troopers, whom Picard claims illegally seized his camera and then conspired to fabricate charges against him. Unbeknownst to the officers, though, the camera was still recording.

According the lawsuit, Connecticut state trooper John Barone confronted Picard, saying he had received complaints from passing motorists that Picard, who also open-carries a handgun, was waving his gun in the air. (The ACLU says there were never any such complaints and that Picard kept his gun holstered at all times.) After claiming it was illegal for Picard to film him, Barone snatched the camera and put it on the roof of his police cruiser while he and other officers discussed what charges to hit Picard with.

"You want to punch a number on this either way?" Barone asked one of his supervising officers, police slang for opening an investigation and entering a case number. "Gotta cover our ass."

"We could hit him with reckless use of the highway by a pedestrian and creating a public disturbance," Sgt. John Jacobi suggested.

"And then we claim in backup we had multiple people who stopped to complain," Master Sgt. Patrick Torneo added later in the conversation. "They didn't want to stay and offer a statement, so we took our own course of action."

The officers ticketed Picard, returned his camera and gun, and told him to protest in another location. It took Picard more than a year to get the criminal charges against him dismissed.

In the lawsuit, the ACLU says the three state troopers retaliated against Picard, violating his First Amendment rights to protest and film the government, as well as his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure.

"Community members like me have a right to film government officials doing their jobs in public, and we should be able to protest without fearing political retribution from law enforcement," Picard said in a statement. "As an advocate for free speech, I'm deeply disappointed that these police officers ignored my rights, particularly because two of the troopers involved were supervisors who should be setting an example for others. By seeking to hold these three police officers accountable, I hope that I can prevent the same thing from happening to someone else."

A spokesperson for the Connecticut State Police said the issue was subject to an ongoing investigation and declined to comment.

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Perhaps the epitome of everything we talk about.  A good explanation in the text and the 16 minute video detailing the absurd escalation of this incident, from friendly to violent, is in the link.  But no, cops don't have time to harass people for no reason, so we've been told.  Exactly how long does a completely innocent person on the street have to withstand harassment or be detained for no reason?  And how transparent is it to basically play the game of "Why you upset?" "I'm not upset." "You seem upset." until the person actually becomes upset so you have some slim justification for harassing them further.  The cop resigned to avoid being fired but will never do a day of jail time despite this assault and unlawful detention.  

http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/05/tackled-punched-and-cuffed-for-sitting-o

The encounter between Travis Cole, a white police officer, and Dejuan Yourse, a black man sitting on the porch of his mother's house in Greensboro, North Carolina, starts calm and friendly but ends with Yourse lying face down on the front lawn, restrained by handcuffs and Cole's knee on his shoulder, complaining that "you tried to beat my ass for real." The senseless escalation of the interaction between Cole and Yourse illustrates how even seemingly mild-mannered cops can be clueless about the indignities they are inflicting on innocent people yet supersensitive to any perceived questioning of their authority. That double standard is compounded by a legal system that fails to hold cops responsible for the crimes they commit when they make bogus arrests. In the 16-minute body camera video of the incident, which happened last June, it is easy to identify the point at which things start to go south: about eight minutes after Cole arrives with another officer, C.N. Jackson, in response to a report of a possible attempted burglary. That is when Cole pokes Yourse in the chest and orders him to sit back down. Yourse, who has repeatedly suggested that a neighbor named Charlie can verify his identity, is heading for Charlie's house when Cole makes it clear he is not free to go.

Yourse has not done anything illegal, and at no point during the encounter does Cole or Jackson seem to think he might actually be a burglar. "Usually if someone is trying to break into a house, they're not gonna sit on the porch" in broad daylight, Cole notes, and as Yourse points out, "the address is on my ID." Cole says he believes Yourse when he says he is "just sitting here, chillin', waiting on my Moms," who has the key to the house. Cole even speculates that "somebody outside the cul-de-sac" must have called the police, since anyone who lived nearby would have recognized Yourse. Although Yourse's mother is not answering her cellphone, Cole says it's not necessary to bother the neighbors. "I believe you," he says. "You have your ID. You told me your name. It matches up."

Yet Cole stays and continues to grill Yourse—about his prison tattoos, his possible outstanding warrants (Yourse says he has none), even the pronunciation of his last name. Yourse tolerates it all with a smile. But after Cole prevents him from leaving the porch, he starts to show his irritation. "Why are you doing this?" he asks. "Why are you talking to me like that?" Cole seems genuinely puzzled by Yourse's anger at being treated like an intruder on the porch of the house where he grew up. "Dejuan, relax," he says. "What's going on? I didn't do nothing." Yourse responds, "I didn't do nothing either." Cole wonders why "you seem a little animated," as if there must be some explanation other than the treatment he is receiving from Cole. "I'm just trying to prove to you I live here," Yourse says, "and you start looking at me like I'm lying." He says he is upset because "a cop is on me in my own house, and I ain't did nothing."

Maddeningly, Cole does not seem to get it. In his mind, he has been patient and understanding, so there is no reason for Yourse to be upset. So when Yourse calls a friend (or maybe a relative) to complain that "the police is over here, and they're harassing me," Cole loses it. He tries to grab the phone, Yourse objects, and Cole orders him to stand up so he can be handcuffed. Cole ends up tackling Yourse on the porch, punching him in the face, and handcuffing him behind his back. Yourse insists that he's not resisting, so there is no need for violence, and Cole says "you were resisting the whole time." When Yourse asks why Cole suddenly decided to handcuff him, the officer says "you can't use the phone and call people and say get over here." On the way to the police car, finding Yourse insufficiently submissive, Cole tackles him again and kneels on him while Jackson tells him to "be an adult." To which Yourse replies, "What about you?"

Yourse was charged with resisting arrest and assaulting an officer. Those charges were dropped, presumably after Cole's superiors had a look at the body cam footage. The Washington Post reports that "an internal affairs investigation, which was completed on Aug. 30, found that Cole violated the Greensboro Police Department's rules on use of force, courtesy toward the public, arrest, search and seizure, and compliance with laws and regulations." Cole quit the department in the midst of the investigation, and Jackson resigned last week, but no criminal charges have been filed against Cole—a decision that the police chief, city attorneys, and the Greensboro City Council recently urged prosecutors to reconsider.

"It's because he didn't commit a crime," Chief Assistant District Attorney Howard Neumann told the Greensboro News & Record last week. "I'm confident that's what the law says. To charge him would be a violation of my role as a prosecutor." The News & Record paraphrased Neumann as saying "law enforcement officers are entitled to use whatever force they think is necessary to arrest somebody they reasonably believe has committed a crime." And what crime did Cole reasonably believe Yourse had committed? According to Neumann, "Cole decided he was going to place this guy under arrest for obstruction."

It's not clear exactly what Yourse supposedly obstructed or how he obstructed it, but apparently it had something to with his phone call, his refusal to surrender his phone, or maybe both. Yet Yourse was never charged with obstruction, and the police department concluded that his arrest was not justified, which means the force Cole used to effectuate it was not justified either.

"There was nothing in that video that prompted Officer Cole to go from zero to a 1,000 in less than a second," Greensboro Councilwoman Sharon Hightower told the News & Record. "Certainly police have the right to use force. I think that Officer Cole crossed the line."

It is hard to disagree with that assessment. On the face of it, Cole is guilty of trespassing, assault, and kidnapping. The fact that he had a badge while committing those crimes should not make a difference, but of course it does.


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I understand that the Connecticut Po-Po has such a difficult job since they have such a gang problem ever since the Mean Street Posse stopped patrolling the streets to keep everyone safe at night. They are just stressed out just from the thought of a thug in a Rolls Royce possibly running a traffic light.

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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/06/cop-didnt-shoot-attacker-over-fear-of-national-scrutiny-superintendent-says/?e=oarIkM7VQgDBYw

News in Chicago today. This is the other side of it. The lib spin and media outrage now has officers afraid to use their weapons. A female officer got her head bashed in because of it. Dude was high on PCP and screwed her up pretty good. This would have been the choir boy with the family crying on the news if he had been shot.

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So how is it that ER docs and nurses deal with people high on PCP and Meth without guns and manage to take them down without killing them, but cops aren't capable of doing so? 
The attack went on for a few minutes? DId her partner stand around jerking off while watching? 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So how is it that ER docs and nurses deal with people high on PCP and Meth without guns and manage to take them down without killing them, but cops aren't capable of doing so? 
The attack went on for a few minutes? DId her partner stand around jerking off while watching? 

Psst...This is a quote from the Superintendent.  It's complete bullshit, speaking of spin.  It doesn't even make any sense of the surface.  A cop handled a situation badly and got her ass kicked while her partner cowered in fear, and suddenly that becomes "Cops are afraid to use their guns!"  Obviously, they are using them plenty, that's the problem. 

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I think ER Docs & Nurses are tougher then Cops.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: I think ER Docs & Nurses are tougher then Cops.
I don't envy them. The few times I've had to go to the ER, there are tons of homeless, drunks, drug addicts, and every other dreg of society, all in some kind of pain or having a bad day, and none very reasonable. And the ER doctors and nurses deal with them all calmly and professionally and do their best to help them. But of course doctors and nurses have to be educated and not semi-literate thugs like cops. Education is always a big factor when it comes to violence. The dumber you are, the quicker you resort to it. That's why criminals and cops are such a volatile combination. 

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Blazer wrote: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/06/cop-didnt-shoot-attacker-over-fear-of-national-scrutiny-superintendent-says/?e=oarIkM7VQgDBYw

News in Chicago today. This is the other side of it. The lib spin and media outrage now has officers afraid to use their weapons. A female officer got her head bashed in because of it. Dude was high on PCP and screwed her up pretty good. This would have been the choir boy with the family crying on the news if he had been shot.
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