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KGB wrote: Hours after losing the election and she couldn't stop crying?  Apart from the fact that this is in line with reports of her alcohol abuse, is this the temperment of a would-be world leader?  Christ, no wonder we've never elected a broad as President.
Um, what?  I have friends who post every ultra right wing conspiracy theory imaginable, and even I have never heard rumors of alcohol abuse, much less a substantiated claim.  This is where Hillary haters lose all credibility.  At least know why you hate someone.  You don't need to make shit up.  Now I have no doubt you can link me to all sorts of things claiming she's an alcoholic, as well as a pedophile, a cannibal, and a dog fucker to the extent that even Gary Vannucci would say, "Hey, no more dog fucking", but I don't think there's any credible reports of this. 



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LAF wrote: A lot of people who viewed Trump as emotionally immature react to his winning by being emotionally immature
A lot of people also said Trump would react in a mocking way to the defeated should he win. He actually appeared to be somewhat humbled by his selection to be the president.



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Mike Rowe chimes in on Facebook with his usual excellent post:

Hey Mike. You’ve been very quiet. Everything OK? I just wanted you to know that I voted for you. I was also hoping you might explain what the hell happened on Tuesday, and say something to make me feel better about my fellow man.

Thanks,
Carol Savoy

Hi Carol
Last Friday, my dog posted a video that featured a man licking a cat with the aid of a device that’s designed for the specific purpose of making it easier for people to lick their cats.I’ve been silent ever since, because frankly, I couldn’t think of a better way – metaphorical or otherwise - to express my feelings about this election cycle. The entire country it seems, has been preoccupied with finding a way to lick a cat without actually putting their tongue on it.

Too oblique? Too weird? Ok, how about this analysis:

Back in 2003, a very unusual TV pilot called Dirty Jobs, Forrest-Gumped its way onto The Discovery Channel and found an audience – a big one. For Discovery, this was a problem. You see, Dirty Jobs didn’t look like anything else on their channel. It wasn’t pretty or careful. It took place in sewers and septic tanks, and featured a subversive host in close contact with his 8-year old inner child who refused to do second takes. Everyone agreed that Dirty Jobs was totally “off-brand” and completely inappropriate for Discovery. Everyone but the viewers. The ratings were just too big to ignore, so the pilot got a green-light, and yours truly finally got a steady gig.

But here's the thing - Dirty Jobs didn’t resonate because the host was incredibly charming. It wasn’t a hit because it was gross, or irreverent, or funny, or silly, or smart, or terribly clever. Dirty Jobs succeeded because it was authentic. It spoke directly and candidly to a big chunk of the country that non-fiction networks had been completely ignoring. In a very simple way, Dirty Jobs said “Hey - we can see you,” to millions of regular people who had started to feel invisible. Ultimately, that’s why Dirty Jobs ran for eight seasons. And today, that’s also why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

I know people are freaked out, Carol. I get it. I’m worried too. But not because of who we elected. We've survived 44 Presidents, and we'll survive this one too. I’m worried because millions of people now seem to believe that Trump supporters are racist, xenophobic, and uneducated misogynists. I'm worried because despising our candidates publicly is very different than despising the people who vote for them.

Last week, three old friends – people I’ve known for years - each requested to be “unfriended” by anyone who planned on voting for Trump. Honestly, that was disheartening. Who tosses away a friendship over an election? Are my friends turning into those mind-numbingly arrogant celebrities who threaten to move to another country if their candidate doesn’t win? Are my friends now convinced that people they’ve known for years who happen to disagree with them politically are not merely mistaken – but evil, and no longer worthy of their friendship?

For what it’s worth, Carol, I don’t think Donald Trump won by tapping into America’s “racist underbelly,” and I don’t think Hillary lost because she’s a woman. I think a majority of people who voted in this election did so in spite of their many misgivings about the character of both candidates. That’s why it’s very dangerous to argue that Clinton supporters condone lying under oath and obstructing justice. Just as it’s equally dangerous to suggest a Trump supporter condones gross generalizations about foreigners and women.

These two candidates were the choices we gave ourselves, and each came with a heaping helping of vulgarity and impropriety. Yeah, it was dirty job for sure, but the winner was NOT decided by a racist and craven nation – it was decided by millions of disgusted Americans desperate for real change. The people did not want a politician. The people wanted to be seen. Donald Trump convinced those people that he could see them. Hillary Clinton did not.

As for me, I’m flattered by your support, but grateful that your vote was not enough to push me over the top. However, when the dust settles, and The White House gets a new tenant, I’ll make the same offer to President Trump that I did to President Obama – to assist as best I can in any attempt to reinvigorate the skilled trades, and shine a light on millions of good jobs that no one seems excited about pursuing. http://bit.ly/2fG1SxI

Like those 3 million “shovel ready” jobs we heard so much about eight years ago, the kind of recovery that Donald Trump is promising will require a workforce that’s properly trained and sufficiently enthused about the opportunities at hand. At the moment, we do not have that work force in place. What we do have, are tens of millions of capable people who have simply stopped looking for work, and millions of available jobs that no one aspires to do. That's the skills gap, and it's gotta close. If mikeroweWORKS can help, we're standing by.

If not, I suppose we'll just have to find another way to lick the cat.

Mike

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Hours after losing the election and she couldn't stop crying?  Apart from the fact that this is in line with reports of her alcohol abuse, is this the temperment of a would-be world leader?  Christ, no wonder we've never elected a broad as President.
Um, what?  I have friends who post every ultra right wing conspiracy theory imaginable, and even I have never heard rumors of alcohol abuse, much less a substantiated claim.  This is where Hillary haters lose all credibility.  At least know why you hate someone.  You don't need to make shit up.  Now I have no doubt you can link me to all sorts of things claiming she's an alcoholic, as well as a pedophile, a cannibal, and a dog fucker to the extent that even Gary Vannucci would say, "Hey, no more dog fucking", but I don't think there's any credible reports of this.
Please do not desecrate the great Gary Vannucci and his dog issues.



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srossi wrote: Mike Rowe chimes in on Facebook with his usual excellent post:

Hey Mike. You’ve been very quiet. Everything OK? I just wanted you to know that I voted for you. I was also hoping you might explain what the hell happened on Tuesday, and say something to make me feel better about my fellow man.

Thanks,
Carol Savoy

Hi Carol
Last Friday, my dog posted a video that featured a man licking a cat with the aid of a device that’s designed for the specific purpose of making it easier for people to lick their cats.I’ve been silent ever since, because frankly, I couldn’t think of a better way – metaphorical or otherwise - to express my feelings about this election cycle. The entire country it seems, has been preoccupied with finding a way to lick a cat without actually putting their tongue on it.

Too oblique? Too weird? Ok, how about this analysis:

Back in 2003, a very unusual TV pilot called Dirty Jobs, Forrest-Gumped its way onto The Discovery Channel and found an audience – a big one. For Discovery, this was a problem. You see, Dirty Jobs didn’t look like anything else on their channel. It wasn’t pretty or careful. It took place in sewers and septic tanks, and featured a subversive host in close contact with his 8-year old inner child who refused to do second takes. Everyone agreed that Dirty Jobs was totally “off-brand” and completely inappropriate for Discovery. Everyone but the viewers. The ratings were just too big to ignore, so the pilot got a green-light, and yours truly finally got a steady gig.

But here's the thing - Dirty Jobs didn’t resonate because the host was incredibly charming. It wasn’t a hit because it was gross, or irreverent, or funny, or silly, or smart, or terribly clever. Dirty Jobs succeeded because it was authentic. It spoke directly and candidly to a big chunk of the country that non-fiction networks had been completely ignoring. In a very simple way, Dirty Jobs said “Hey - we can see you,” to millions of regular people who had started to feel invisible. Ultimately, that’s why Dirty Jobs ran for eight seasons. And today, that’s also why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

I know people are freaked out, Carol. I get it. I’m worried too. But not because of who we elected. We've survived 44 Presidents, and we'll survive this one too. I’m worried because millions of people now seem to believe that Trump supporters are racist, xenophobic, and uneducated misogynists. I'm worried because despising our candidates publicly is very different than despising the people who vote for them.

Last week, three old friends – people I’ve known for years - each requested to be “unfriended” by anyone who planned on voting for Trump. Honestly, that was disheartening. Who tosses away a friendship over an election? Are my friends turning into those mind-numbingly arrogant celebrities who threaten to move to another country if their candidate doesn’t win? Are my friends now convinced that people they’ve known for years who happen to disagree with them politically are not merely mistaken – but evil, and no longer worthy of their friendship?

For what it’s worth, Carol, I don’t think Donald Trump won by tapping into America’s “racist underbelly,” and I don’t think Hillary lost because she’s a woman. I think a majority of people who voted in this election did so in spite of their many misgivings about the character of both candidates. That’s why it’s very dangerous to argue that Clinton supporters condone lying under oath and obstructing justice. Just as it’s equally dangerous to suggest a Trump supporter condones gross generalizations about foreigners and women.

These two candidates were the choices we gave ourselves, and each came with a heaping helping of vulgarity and impropriety. Yeah, it was dirty job for sure, but the winner was NOT decided by a racist and craven nation – it was decided by millions of disgusted Americans desperate for real change. The people did not want a politician. The people wanted to be seen. Donald Trump convinced those people that he could see them. Hillary Clinton did not.

As for me, I’m flattered by your support, but grateful that your vote was not enough to push me over the top. However, when the dust settles, and The White House gets a new tenant, I’ll make the same offer to President Trump that I did to President Obama – to assist as best I can in any attempt to reinvigorate the skilled trades, and shine a light on millions of good jobs that no one seems excited about pursuing. http://bit.ly/2fG1SxI

Like those 3 million “shovel ready” jobs we heard so much about eight years ago, the kind of recovery that Donald Trump is promising will require a workforce that’s properly trained and sufficiently enthused about the opportunities at hand. At the moment, we do not have that work force in place. What we do have, are tens of millions of capable people who have simply stopped looking for work, and millions of available jobs that no one aspires to do. That's the skills gap, and it's gotta close. If mikeroweWORKS can help, we're standing by.

If not, I suppose we'll just have to find another way to lick the cat.

Mike
Thanks for posting. Mike Rowe rocks!



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Also, Democrats might want to think about distancing themselves from people that revel in identity politics, use terms like 'cisgendered' in real life, use the phrase 'straight white male' as an epithet, and they might want to denounce the five or so race riots we've had over the past eight years. Go back to keeping everyone focused on unemployment, wages, and basically be Democrats again.

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1. White working class pissed.  Looking for anyone they think will help.
2. Comey letter
3. Many people (including Democrats I know) said they would leave President blank on the ballot.
4. Bad campaign strategy - no visits to WI.

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Hours after losing the election and she couldn't stop crying?  Apart from the fact that this is in line with reports of her alcohol abuse, is this the temperment of a would-be world leader?  Christ, no wonder we've never elected a broad as President.
Um, what?  I have friends who post every ultra right wing conspiracy theory imaginable, and even I have never heard rumors of alcohol abuse, much less a substantiated claim.  This is where Hillary haters lose all credibility.  At least know why you hate someone.  You don't need to make shit up.  Now I have no doubt you can link me to all sorts of things claiming she's an alcoholic, as well as a pedophile, a cannibal, and a dog fucker to the extent that even Gary Vannucci would say, "Hey, no more dog fucking", but I don't think there's any credible reports of this. 

Complete bullshit.

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Here's the biggest smoking gun that Hillary failed to exploit:



That man ruined the lives of all the little Hulkamaniacs, tried to institute modern slavery, cost my "brother" the Intercontinental Title, bought-off Santa Claus and many other dastardly deeds.



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Tonight Bill Maher went OFF on his stunned liberal fans to the roar of defeaning silence:

"They made the white working man feel like your problems aren't real because you're mansplaining. Check your privilege. But if your life sucks, your problems are real. What should they do, chop their dicks off and check their privilege? If there's a silver lining to this personally for me, it's the 2 issues I've been on the case of liberals for, and you've been booing me about this for years and maybe you'll listen now: one is political correctness, you're outrageous with your politically correct bullshit and it does drive people away, and two is Islam...Democrats have become to a lot of Americans a boutique party of phony outrage and social engineering and they're not entirely wrong about that."

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Hours after losing the election and she couldn't stop crying?  Apart from the fact that this is in line with reports of her alcohol abuse, is this the temperment of a would-be world leader?  Christ, no wonder we've never elected a broad as President.
Um, what?  I have friends who post every ultra right wing conspiracy theory imaginable, and even I have never heard rumors of alcohol abuse, much less a substantiated claim.  This is where Hillary haters lose all credibility.  At least know why you hate someone.  You don't need to make shit up.  Now I have no doubt you can link me to all sorts of things claiming she's an alcoholic, as well as a pedophile, a cannibal, and a dog fucker to the extent that even Gary Vannucci would say, "Hey, no more dog fucking", but I don't think there's any credible reports of this. 

Did you miss the part where I said "reports of"?  Yeah, they're out there and from people who have observed her up close.  Wikileaks also contained some references to it.  Do I know for sure that it's true? No, but I'm certainly entitled to my conjecture.



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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Hours after losing the election and she couldn't stop crying?  Apart from the fact that this is in line with reports of her alcohol abuse, is this the temperment of a would-be world leader?  Christ, no wonder we've never elected a broad as President.
Um, what?  I have friends who post every ultra right wing conspiracy theory imaginable, and even I have never heard rumors of alcohol abuse, much less a substantiated claim.  This is where Hillary haters lose all credibility.  At least know why you hate someone.  You don't need to make shit up.  Now I have no doubt you can link me to all sorts of things claiming she's an alcoholic, as well as a pedophile, a cannibal, and a dog fucker to the extent that even Gary Vannucci would say, "Hey, no more dog fucking", but I don't think there's any credible reports of this. 

Did you miss the part where I said "reports of"?  Yeah, they're out there and from people who have observed her up close.  Wikileaks also contained some references to it.  Do I know for sure that it's true? No, but I'm certainly entitled to my conjecture.

That is such horseshit.  You sound like fucking Trump.  "people are saying..."  "I've heard rumors"   Yeah... they're out there... my neighbor told me so...  



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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Hours after losing the election and she couldn't stop crying?  Apart from the fact that this is in line with reports of her alcohol abuse, is this the temperment of a would-be world leader?  Christ, no wonder we've never elected a broad as President.
Um, what?  I have friends who post every ultra right wing conspiracy theory imaginable, and even I have never heard rumors of alcohol abuse, much less a substantiated claim.  This is where Hillary haters lose all credibility.  At least know why you hate someone.  You don't need to make shit up.  Now I have no doubt you can link me to all sorts of things claiming she's an alcoholic, as well as a pedophile, a cannibal, and a dog fucker to the extent that even Gary Vannucci would say, "Hey, no more dog fucking", but I don't think there's any credible reports of this. 

Did you miss the part where I said "reports of"?  Yeah, they're out there and from people who have observed her up close.  Wikileaks also contained some references to it.  Do I know for sure that it's true? No, but I'm certainly entitled to my conjecture.

I didn't miss that part, I just think it's a joke. There are LITERALLY "reports of" her being a prdophile. I wasn't making that part up, I've read them. There are so many alt-right sites that have said absolutely anything and everything about her, so what's the point?  I can post that she's given birth to an alien baby and you can then say that you've read "reports of" it. 



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I've read that all Libertarians are aliens.  Can't believe everything you read but that one might be true.



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I despise Bill Maher but can't argue with him as he rambles on the Dems politically correct bullshit.



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