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Once again, my sister asked me to communicate with my "contacts." 
It is another question about comic books.  This is something that I know very little about. 
My sister is looking for a birthday present for her husband.  She is looking for a "hard cover" book which has Batman stories from the 1970's.  
I did a quick search on Amazon and I think I understand the timeline somewhat.  There is a Gold, Silver and Bronze category for Batman cartoons. I think the Bronze may be what she is looking for because this seems to take in some of the late 1960's and early 1970's, but I am thinking she was looking for something from early to mid 1970's based on his age.  
Do they have hard cover books like that available?  He told her there was one he was looking at online.   I think the focus would be Batman from the 1970's. 
Can anybody out there put these clues together and come up with an answer if there is even such a book? 

A couple of you all helped last time, so I am going to throw this out there. 

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/156389565X?vs=1

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Well, that looks like it may be it. Reviews are a little shaky. I never knew there were so many actual books out there based on comic characters. Yikes!

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https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Adams-Omnibus-Denny-ONeil/dp/1401255515/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483534849&sr=1-6&keywords=batman+omnibus

This one is a little pricey, but a great collection of Neal Adams work from the 1970s.

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Can't go wrong with Adams.

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Thanks for the input. Oh, she would drop a hundred on him easy. They are both nuts. They drive each other crazy.

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That's a great book. Beautiful binding and nice quality paper. He'll love it.

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just some info for you.
The Golden age is from 1938-1955
The Silver age is from 1956-1969 (10 and 12 cent comic books)
The Bronze age is from 1970 to 1983

I love the art work in the silver age. I would have bought a nice copy of Batman/Detective comics/World Finest and frame it.

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The only thing I've had trouble with in the past when going back to try to read some of the silver age comics (both Marvel and DC) is that the dialogue and storylines sometimes are a bit lacking. I grew up on JLA Bronze Age though, more of a DC guy than Marvel.

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I'd put the Bronze age ending a bit later than 1983, say 1986 or so. That's when the stories got very dark and the classic comic book art fell away in favor of highly stylized art. From 1986 or so onward, any pretense that comics were for kids ended. It's also when the gimmicky stuff began with special covers and new series with issue #1s to cater to would be investors kicked in.

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tamalie wrote: I'd put the Bronze age ending a bit later than 1983, say 1986 or so. That's when the stories got very dark and the classic comic book art fell away in favor of highly stylized art. From 1986 or so onward, any pretense that comics were for kids ended. It's also when the gimmicky stuff began with special covers and new series with issue #1s to cater to would be investors kicked in.
For years they called end of Bronze as about 1976, when direct sales was new, then at 1979.
Now it seems they draw the line of the start of the "modern age" at 1986ish, as you say - Secret Wars for Marvel and the post-Crisis DC/Superman Byrne relaunch for DC.

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brodiescomics wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Adams-Omnibus-Denny-ONeil/dp/1401255515/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483534849&sr=1-6&keywords=batman+omnibus

This one is a little pricey, but a great collection of Neal Adams work from the 1970s.
Is Adam still around?  I quit collecting almost 33 years ago.  I still have a ton of comics from that era.  Luckily, I have taken care of them.  The most expensive ones have backings and they are all in protective covering.  I was fortunate to have my friend hold them for me when I was in the service.  Unfortunately, I left some baseball cards of nice value at home.  Those were sold while I was away.  

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"The Greatest Batman Stories Every Told" was published around 1989 and features a buncha' stuff from 1939 to the mid-80's. Basically, Batman pre-Dark Knight revamp.

https://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Batman-Stories-Ever-Told/dp/0446391239/

Fairly cheap, too. Only a few 70's stories in there, but it'd be a good companion piece to the others listed above. I think there's a hardback version out there.

If you want total 70's Bat-cheese, then there's the "Brave & The Bold Omnibus":
https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Brave-Bold-Bronze-Omnibus/dp/1401267181/

I caution this one, because it's sort of its own little world in regards to the character of Batman. Some things don't vibe with what Batman was doing in his other titles at the time. Yet I think these stories are fun because they're all Batman team-ups, usually self-contained one-issue stories, and sorta' similar to the 70's "SuperFriends" shorts.

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the squared circle wrote: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/156389565X?vs=1
I have this book (above linked) and recommend it. Color and good paper at a reasonable price. That entire series of Batman/Superman/etc in the 50s/60s/70s are good for a basic nice read.
Omnibus books are really nice but are your highest level of prestige format, if that is what the reader prefers.

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I saw several references to the Batman Bronze era being in the late 1960's???

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Papa Voo wrote: I saw several references to the Batman Bronze era being in the late 1960's???I'd disagree. Late 60's (and the Batman TV show) are still considered "Silver Age" by most comic-heads. Benlen's list is a great guide for "Age" boundaries. Been collecting since 1981 and those are years and eras I've always cited.

I've heard some discuss that the Silver Age didn't end until Gwen Stacy died in 1973. Think it was Kurt Busiek who popularized this. That's probably because not a lot of significant events signaled the change from "Silver" into "Bronze". Gwen's death was a significant event, so I can see why it's been considered.

To swing it back to Batman, his 70's stories are definitely "Bronze Age". I look to the fact that Ra's al Ghul debuted in 1971. Just a few years earlier (68-69), the Batman titles were closer to the Adam West TV show. The whole Ra's intro arc would have been out of place (for Batman) in the late 60's Silver Age.

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Thanks.

I did not even know there were Ages until two days ago. LOL. I am still not clear on the differences, but then again, I am not a comic book guy. But, it does sound interesting. I think I had a few Batman comics in the early '70's.

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If you want a fun primer on Batman through the different "Ages", check out the Batman Animated Series episode titled "Legends of the Dark Knight". Great stuff.

Main differences amongst the "Ages":
-Golden
Original superheroes. Superman, Batman, Justice Society, OLD Captain America, original Human Torch, Sub-Mariner and Captain Marvel (aka: "Shazam")

DC was pretty much the big player. They also had the Justice Society guys, like the original Flash (with the Hermes/FTD helmet), original Green Lantern (blonde hair, red shirt and a cape), plus the original Hawkman and Hourman, Dr. Fate, etc.

Superheroes were big until the end of WWII. A lot of plots involved fighting the Axis powers, for all companies. After the war, superheroes began to fade out of popularity. Batman and Superman remained, but everyone else kinda' faded away as sci-fi, monster, dinosaur, horror and war comics began to become popular. Batman and Superman began to fight aliens and monsters, too.

-Silver Age
Began when DC revamped and brought back the Flash. In his iconic, modern-day, red costume. They did the same with Green Lantern and the Atom, shortly after.

The Other Silver Age big bang was the debut/revamp of Marvel with "Fantastic Four #1". This kicked off modern Marvel, as we know it (more or less). Spider-Man, Hulk and Iron Man all appeared, almost immediately. All mixed in elements of "sci-fi" with the traditional superhero comics. They even thawed out Captain America (literally). DC took notice and began to re-push their heroes... creating what became the basis of modern-day DC.

Super-hero TEAMS also became popular. They had existed before (Justice Society, All-Winners, etc), but the Silver Age really played up the actual team as significant. Before, the team concept had kinda' been an afterthought. Without the Silver Age, there would've been no Justice League, Avengers, X-men, Teen Titans and others.

In the Silver Age, DC also established their "Multiple Earths" concept. In a nutshell, the old Golden Age heroes were on "Earth-2", where the modern Silver Age heroes were on "Earth-1". So this allowed for some cross-dimensional team-ups.

Bronze Age
1970 is a good start, but like I said, there was no one event that really signaled the start. Along with Gwen Stacy's death, I've also heard Speedy's heroine addiction as another starting point.

Bronze Age kinda' continued on with the Silver Age boom, but the stories and target audience began to change. Growing up, if you will.

The only two really "key" events I see in this entire area were the debut of the "All-New, All-Different X-men" in 1975 (combined with the debut of Wolverine in "Hulk" a few months earlier) and the debut of the Punisher in "Amazing Spider-Man" (1973?). Both had a heavy influence on the next "Age"...

Modern Age
I like to pick 1982, as that's when Marvel's "GI Joe" came out and I can't bring myself to label that as "Bronze", since it's SO 80's. Marvel killed their "Captain Marvel" with cancer around the same time, which was a pretty mature concept to introduce.

I think the big "key" that really started this was the debut of Spider-Man's black costume in issue 252 in late 1983/early 1984. Costume revamps became all the rage for awhile (especially at Marvel).

The other biggie was DC's "Return of the Dark Knight". The iconic Frank Miller "prestige format series" about a future Batman. It really brought "grim n' gritty" to not just Batman, but comics as a whole. Something that still continues to this day. "Watchmen" was around the same time, as well.


You can fill in other details (and I'm sure I forgot some things), but I think this is a good summary. Focuses solely on the superhero genre, but as we're talking Batman, I feel it's appropriate.

May be a lot of esoteric junk, but asking comic fans for advice or suggestions is like giving troops to the Huns.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: If you want a fun primer on Batman through the different "Ages", check out the Batman Animated Series episode titled "Legends of the Dark Knight". Great stuff.




As an aside, the Batman Animated series is excellent and still holds up so great today.  My son and I have watched the entire four volume set once and we're almost through it a 2nd time (halfway through Vol 3).  The old Superfriends sets don't hold up as well, but the writing on the BTAS is just excellent.

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I don't look at GI Joe as part of the overall Marvel Universe even though Marvel was the publisher. Some of the themes started to darken, but Marvel circa 1985 still would be recognizable to a reader circa 1975. By 1990, there had been a dramatic change, however. I still see "Return of the Dark Knight" as the beginning of the change and by 1988 things had demonstrably changed in the art and storytelling. The modern age slipped in there somewhere, culminating in stuff like Image Comics forming and other things occurring like the end of New Mutants and beginning of X-Force.

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GI Joe is my own personal mark for the "Ages", since it's when I really got into comics. Had been reading my big bro's comics since 1977, but 1982 is when I went head-first, on my own, into the world of comics. GI Joe was always its own separate thing and had absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the Marvel Universe. But it was a "gateway drug" and got me into superheroes.

If you ever encounter someone else who insists GI Joe #1 is the point, then you may laugh at them. Unless it's me. Then just say: "hey" (and mutter "dork" as you walk off).


Oh..and you may also laugh at me for calling it: "Return of the Dark Knight", when it's actually "The Dark Knight Returns". Whatever. Friends and I always called it: "The Dark Knight".

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