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 Posted: Tue Feb 14th, 2017 08:37 pm
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Surprised no one has posted about this yet.  Maybe no one here is an NBA fan or it's just much bigger news in NY than anywhere else.  Who's side do you take?  Almost everyone is universally supporting Oakley here.



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What is the issue? Who is James Dolan?



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Franchise wrote: What is the issue? Who is James Dolan?
Wow I guess this really did not make news nationally.  It's all people have been talking about in NY.

Dolan is the CEO of MSG and basically runs the Knicks and Rangers as well.  Oakley has had a long-standing feud with him for years and Dolan threw him out of the Garden a few days ago when he bought his own ticket to watch the Knicks play.  Oakley resisted and shoved some security guards and was tackled and arrested in plain view of fans who were cheering him on.  Dolan claims he was being drunk and belligerent, but no one has really backed up that story.  Dolan also wrote a scathing press release insinuating that Oakley was an alcoholic.  The NBA Commissioner and Michael Jordan had to step in to try to broker a truce between them because it has gotten pretty embarrassing.  Players left and right, including Lebron, have tweeted disparaging remarks about the Knicks and claim free agents won't sign there now because of how they treat their former players.   

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I'd heard that Oakley was heckling Dolan from a short distance, was asked and then told to stop, didn't, and got taken down for his troubles. The way in which the Knicks and Dolan tried to spin things afterwards was embarrassing to everyone. Nothing the Knicks do seems to work. Even their relative success is fleeting. However, Dolan is so ensconced it's hardly as if he's going anywhere.

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srossi wrote: Surprised no one has posted about this yet.  Maybe no one here is an NBA fan or it's just much bigger news in NY than anywhere else.  Who's side do you take?  Almost everyone is universally supporting Oakley here.

It's been posted in the police Blotter & NBA threads. I think most Knick fans take Oakley's side on this.

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tamalie wrote: I'd heard that Oakley was heckling Dolan from a short distance, was asked and then told to stop, didn't, and got taken down for his troubles.
Oakley has vehemently denied even this, and fans and players in the vicinity seem to take his side.  Cameras also show he was in his seat for less than 5 minutes and seemed to have no interaction with anyone before security came, so it certainly looks like Dolan just spotted him and said "Get rid of him".  Either way, the accusations of alcoholism really escalated things that seems unfounded too.



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James Dolan has accused more than one person he's feuded with of alcoholism minus any substantiation.

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What started the original feud between Oakley and Dolan?

I saw the incident at the game.

When did this all start and what was it over?

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I believe part of it was because Oakley was pissed that he wasn't invited to the Garden for any of the Knicks 70th anniversary celebrations. Oakley also said that the guards were all staring him down from the second he got into his seat. I'll say one thing, Oakley took absolutely zero bullshit from the MSG tards. Keep in mind, the majority of Garden security are retired NYPD. That speaks volumes right there.



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WongLee wrote: I believe part of it was because Oakley was pissed that he wasn't invited to the Garden for any of the Knicks 70th anniversary celebrations. Oakley also said that the guards were all staring him down from the second he got into his seat. I'll say one thing, Oakley took absolutely zero bullshit from the MSG tards. Keep in mind, the majority of Garden security are retired NYPD. That speaks volumes right there.
He's lucky he wasn't shot then. 



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tamalie wrote: James Dolan has accused more than one person he's feuded with of alcoholism minus any substantiation.
He also fired the head of security the next day without reason. Dolan is one the more well know owners in sports that isn't well like and usually the but of all jokes when it comes to running a franchise.

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WongLee wrote: I believe part of it was because Oakley was pissed that he wasn't invited to the Garden for any of the Knicks 70th anniversary celebrations. Oakley also said that the guards were all staring him down from the second he got into his seat. I'll say one thing, Oakley took absolutely zero bullshit from the MSG tards. Keep in mind, the majority of Garden security are retired NYPD. That speaks volumes right there.

It stems way before that.  Oakley has been outspokenly critical of the Knicks the past few years, rightfully so IMO.  A year or 2 ago, he tried to approach Dolan at the All Star Game, and Dolan cold-shouldered him.  This last incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Dolan has been a shit show since he inherited the team.  He has a Trump-level petulance about him, too.  He's very petty and vindictive even for a billionaire.  He pals around with Latrell Sprewell at Sunday's game as if they were lifelong friends.  Sprewell hasn't been at the Garden in like 12 years.  Just to show people "See?  I'm a good guy."

Oakley reacted hella-wrong, but no one is going to care, honestly, because of the douchey-ness of Dolan which trumps anything that Oakley could do in court of public opinion among the great majority of Knick fans and NBA players.

 

 



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Oakley is a whiny bitch..



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I don't care who you are, if you go to a public event and start yelling, you're doing it to get attention. Right or wrong, he got attention. I think it made Oakley look stupid even if Knick fans side with him because the team is in shambles. Dolan is ruining the Knicks, but Charles just showed that he's a hot headed bully. Just watch the video. Pretty clear



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The idea that a former player is persona non grata with a team always interests me. If we toss out players the likes of OJ Simpson, Rae Carruth, and Darren Sharper who are on an entirely different level, are there any teams who have players on the "do not invite or acknowledge" list apart from the Charles Oakley situation with the Knicks?

When some unsavory stuff in Kirby Puckett's life came out, the Twins distanced themselves from him, but he was never completely cut off. I know that Dave Keon, who is a legendary Toronto Maple Leaf player, went from 1975 to 2007 in personal exile from the team apart from a single appearance in the 1990s he later seemed to very much regret, transposing his anger with the by then deceased Leafs owner Harold Ballard onto successive regimes. However the Maple Leafs organization itself wanted and eventually got him back in the fold despite some lingering bitterness on Keon's part. Certainly after Ballard left and possibly before, Keon was never on any excommunicated list.

Who else was frozen out by a team?

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