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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 04:07 pm
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srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: I'd heard that Oakley was heckling Dolan from a short distance, was asked and then told to stop, didn't, and got taken down for his troubles.
Oakley has vehemently denied even this, and fans and players in the vicinity seem to take his side.  Cameras also show he was in his seat for less than 5 minutes and seemed to have no interaction with anyone before security came, so it certainly looks like Dolan just spotted him and said "Get rid of him".  Either way, the accusations of alcoholism really escalated things that seems unfounded too.

The one news story has Oakley and contingency, after first arriving at MSG, trying to get off the elevators at the office level, to try to pay Dolan a visit in his office confront him, well before tip off. Somehow Oak's group was not allowed to get off there or proceed to the offices, but this is what made security keep an eye on him from the outset.
Whether this really happened is the question. 

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None of that happened Oakley was banned from the Garden and wasn't suppose to be allowed in, Dolan or his security chief notices Oakley there and tries to get him out. People say he heckled Dolan, but from Dolan's mouth he said he didn't know Oakley was there until the issue with security.Dolan then said Oakley wasn't suppose to make it to his seat and then the chief of security is fired. Thats all you need to know Oakley was on unofficial ban list and the Chief of Security fucked up.

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Dolan is a weeping pustule on the ass of society.  Oakley should just end him.  The Knicks might be a bigger joke in terms of sports franchises than the Browns and the 49ers as they are currently constiituted.



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Adam Silver and Michael Jordan stepped in to help Charles Oakley and James Dolan fix their mess.

It's a mess the NBA commissioner believes never should've happened, and could've been avoided had the New York Knicks owner and team done a better job building relationships with former players.

"It was just a very bad situation," Silver told Bloomberg's Jason Kelly on Tuesday. "It was one of those moments that should've never happened. It's difficult from a security standpoint to say exactly what should've happened once the confrontation began, but all I know is that, these are the kinds of things you work to avoid. And you work by building relationships so they never happen."

Oakley and Dolan have had a strained relationship for years, and it recently reached a boiling point when the Knicks legend was forcibly removed from a game, arrested, and banned from Madison Square Garden. The team issued statements blaming Oakley, and Dolan further exacerbated the ordeal by suggesting the 53-year-old is an alcoholic and has personality problems.

Silver sympathized with the former All-Star.

"I felt the need to step in because I've known Charles Oakley for a long time, probably at least 20 years since he was a player, and now as a retired player, he's done things with the league office over the years. He's someone I know has a big heart. I think he feels he was misunderstood," he explained.

Silver and Jordan helped kickstart a reconciliation between Dolan and Oakley on Monday in a conference that saw them hash out their differences and apologize to each other. Dolan ended up inviting Oakley to the Garden as a guest and reportedly rescinding the ban.

Related: Oakley asks Knicks to apologize to fans after ban lifted

"I had the sense that if I got the two of them to sit down together, face to face ... they would both get the chance to get off their chest how they were feeling about the situation and move toward reconciliation," said the commissioner.

He acknowledged he didn't expect the longstanding feud to be completely resolved in one sitting, but called the meeting an "important first step."

Silver added he also talked to Oakley about becoming more involved in the league so he feels like he's part of the NBA family again.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2017 06:33 pm
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Hard to sympathize with either side. You have a terrible, sometimes bizarre owner feuding with a former employee who was a very dirty player.

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krazykid18 wrote: None of that happened Oakley was banned from the Garden and wasn't suppose to be allowed in, Dolan or his security chief notices Oakley there and tries to get him out. People say he heckled Dolan, but from Dolan's mouth he said he didn't know Oakley was there until the issue with security.Dolan then said Oakley wasn't suppose to make it to his seat and then the chief of security is fired. Thats all you need to know Oakley was on unofficial ban list and the Chief of Security fucked up.
Which makes total sense as to why Dolan scapegoated the chief of security.  He KNEW Oakley was in the building.  He was going to do this the whole time.  I blame Oakley for overreacting (he shouldn't be shoving security), but Dolan is petulant scumbag.



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New York Knicks owner James Dolan extended an olive branch of sorts to Charles Oakley after temporarily banning the former Knick from Madison Square Garden, but Oakley is a long way from forgiving Dolan, who had him forcibly removed from MSG and later accused him of having an alcohol problem just over a week ago.

Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green recently equated Dolan's treatment of Oakley with a "slave-owner mentality," and Oakley didn't refute that when asked about it in a phone interview with Sports Illustrated's Maggie Gray on Thursday.

"He's definitely a control freak," Oakley said. "He's got everybody in the Garden on pins and needles."

Oakley went on to compare Dolan to former Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling - who was forced to sell the team and banned from the NBA for life after being caught on tape making racist comments in 2014 - but said the league is allowing Dolan to get away with it.

"The other owners know this, that's the bad thing about it," Oakley said. "They're going to let this end up happening like (what) happened to the L.A. Clippers. It's that bad, but they won't talk about it. It's that bad."

Asked more pointedly if he thinks Dolan is a racist, Oakley didn't say yes or no. "This man's been around a long time," he explained. "I ain't heard nothing good about him."

Oakley was charged with assault for getting physical with the security guards who removed him from MSG, but he's not interested in having his charges dropped and being invited back to the Garden if it's just a publicity stunt or a sympathy case.

"I'd rather go to jail than for this to be (them) saying they did something for me," he said.

"I'd rather go to jail and just do two or three years for my assault case and come out and be a better person. Don't give me something now because everything is bad. That's what’s wrong. We cover stuff up because of money and power. This is a people issue. People see this."

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 Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2017 12:54 am
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Oakley sounds completely mental there. He'd rather go do 2-3 years for something he has no chance of getting 2-3 years for? I know NY fans hate Dolan because they feel entitled to 60 wins per season and he keeps throwing money after big names who do not do much, but sometimes it's best to just let an old player go away.

There also seems to be something wrong with Draymond Green. Not just for this, but then he also got ejected the same day, pretty much helped cost his team the title last year with his cheap shots, and just has zero maturity.

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nyhack56 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: None of that happened Oakley was banned from the Garden and wasn't suppose to be allowed in, Dolan or his security chief notices Oakley there and tries to get him out. People say he heckled Dolan, but from Dolan's mouth he said he didn't know Oakley was there until the issue with security.Dolan then said Oakley wasn't suppose to make it to his seat and then the chief of security is fired. Thats all you need to know Oakley was on unofficial ban list and the Chief of Security fucked up.
Which makes total sense as to why Dolan scapegoated the chief of security.  He KNEW Oakley was in the building.  He was going to do this the whole time.  I blame Oakley for overreacting (he shouldn't be shoving security), but Dolan is petulant scumbag.

I think this all about nails it. Funny thing is, Dolan admitted on Michael Kay that he screws up PR badly, so of course coming on TV to explain that was a disaster.

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So now Oakley just decides that Dolan is a racist...ugh..can't really state anything factual about Dolan other than "he doesn't like me" so he goes "He's another Donald Sterling.."



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Married Jo wrote: So now Oakley just decides that Dolan is a racist...ugh..can't really state anything factual about Dolan other than "he doesn't like me" so he goes "He's another Donald Sterling.."
I remember when Sterling openly discriminated against Koreans and hardly anyone in the NBA said a word....

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Married Jo wrote: So now Oakley just decides that Dolan is a racist...ugh..can't really state anything factual about Dolan other than "he doesn't like me" so he goes "He's another Donald Sterling.."
I heard the whole interview in context, and in fairness he was asked, several times, if he thought race played a factor in Dolan's treatment of him.  After being led down that path, he never explicitly said he was sure Dolan was racist and seemed to make the Sterling comparisons more as a way of calling him an overall asshole who isn't well-liked even by other owners.  Considering that reporters keep implying something about race and Oakley is very angry, I think he handled it better than many would.  Oakley never brought it up first though.  When someone repeatedly asks, "Is he racist?  Is he racist?  Is he racist?", eventually you have to comment on race, and then that becomes the headline.  He still never said "Yes" definitively.

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