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 Posted: Tue Sep 26th, 2017 08:42 pm
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Yea, after saying they would have the vote regardless. That was always bullshit.

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 Posted: Tue Sep 26th, 2017 08:51 pm
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DaNkinator wrote: Well, it's dead. McConnell announced about an hour ago that they won't even vote on it.
Lol @ the incompetence of this a 2nd time around in 3 months. You would think these dipshits would check this shit out with all the senators before they even go public and make sure they cover their bases and not expose themselves all over again. But, seems they didn't learn the first time around. 

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They are mirroring the chaos of Trump now.

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Ultimark wrote: They are mirroring the chaos of Trump now.
A lot of them are still trying to figure out how to deal with him.  Alabama was a shit-show with the fight over Sessions' Senate seat.  Trump backed the establishment candidate and lost a lot of his street cred with his area supporters, and some of his biggest allies including Bannon and Palin backed the other guy.  And the other guy won.  Of course both candidates were complete nutjobs.  But this was the second time in one day that Trump's tweet bullying to rally support amongst his base failed miserably.   

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He is deleting all of his previous tweets in support of Strange. By tomorrow the Trumpers will claim he was with Moore all along and that his support of Strange was fake news.

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Ultimark wrote: He is deleting all of his previous tweets in support of Strange. By tomorrow the Trumpers will claim he was with Moore all along and that his support of Strange was fake news.
So 1984.  "Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."



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srossi wrote: Ultimark wrote: He is deleting all of his previous tweets in support of Strange. By tomorrow the Trumpers will claim he was with Moore all along and that his support of Strange was fake news.
So 1984.  "Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."
That is exactly where we are today.  

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Something that really stood out to me regarding Repeal/Replace - before my daughter turned 2 she had a significant medical emergency. Total cost for this in Ontario - $14.00 (parking at the hospital)

Had this happened in New York State (just picking the closest state to where I live) Cost would have been $9800.00



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Well Paul might have won this battle. Supposedly Trump is going to sign an Executive Order allowing people to buy insurance across state lines and let individuals join associations for better deals. We'll see where this actually goes. Trump says a lot of things.



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 Posted: Thu Sep 28th, 2017 07:23 pm
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Well, let's hope so. I do think those reforms make sense. Doesn't solve the overall problem but should help. Of course, now the Dems are pointing out how that won't work. Both these parties suck.

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So the next step for Trump was to sign an EO (Boy for someone that pissed all over Obama for the amount of these, he's signed triple that amount in just 10 months) that ends subsidies for the ACA.

And from what I can tell, will have huge ripple effects on EVERYONE. Not just those that the subsidies applied to.

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DaNkinator wrote: So the next step for Trump was to sign an EO (Boy for someone that pissed all over Obama for the amount of these, he's signed triple that amount in just 10 months) that ends subsidies for the ACA.

And from what I can tell, will have huge ripple effects on EVERYONE. Not just those that the subsidies applied to.

Possibly, this will force both sides of the aisle to the table in an effort to actually fix health care rather than being in a bull-headed standstill while it slowly continued to go down the drain.



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Hopefully, though in the interim, upwards of a few million will lose their healthcare.

And the rest of us will be affected by affordability of current plans.

Edit: CBO analyses on killing ACA subsidies: Premiums will go up next yr by $2.3 billion...

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Ultimark wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Ultimark wrote:  I actually respect Paul on this because he is sticking to his position. He has some very good ideas on this topic (not all of them are good but some are) and should be listened to more.
Let's talk about those ideas here. 
The one I really like is to allow groups and associations - take the AICPA as an example to have their members band together and buy as a group.  In this case it would be accountants that have LLC's and are small businesses.  Right now, they have to buy on the individual market - with zero leverage.  Also, buying across state lines does make sense and would increase competition.  He is also for tort reform which makes complete sense.  Where I disagree with him is on the very bottom - very few protections for people.  I also think he doesn't want pre-existing conditions covered.  This is a hard topic and I think a solution has not been found.  It isn't really insurance if there is 100% certainty of loss.  However, I also understand the other side of this - a bad break shouldn't destroy a person. forever.  
I think all this merits more discussion.

I haven't read the link that was posted but have only read Ultimark's comments. I believe that a better plan would be to eliminate group coverage altogether (such as plans through employers, groups, associations, etc), make all plans available via the individual market, and make those plans affordable. Basically, I want to eliminate employers from being the insurance middleman.

When health insurance is tied to an employer, the employee's health condition can impact employment. For example, some companies refuse to hire smokers since smokers typically result in higher healthcare costs. Should smoking prevent a person from gainful employment? How about fat people? Older people? Where should the line be drawn?

When researching / applying for a new job, does a person really know the "total compensation" so he can compare job offers? Given each person's / family's unique health insurance needs, how can a person determine whether the insurance / insurance premiums offered by the prospective employer will meet his family's needs? A prospective company could offer you $5000 per year more than you are making than your current employer but if the insurance premiums are $10,000 more than you are paying with your current employer then you would actually be taking a $5000 pay cut taking the new job. Additionally, it is impossible to compare the coverage you would get with the new employer vs. the coverage that you already have since those facts aren't disclosed until you are actually hired and start selecting your employment benefits.

Instead of coverage being determined by your employer, I would prefer that employers provide a stipend to their employees that the employees can use to buy insurance on the individual market. If your employer offers a $5000 stipend and you purchase a $2500 plan, you can pocket the extra $2500. If your plan costs $10,000, the extra $5000 would come out of your pocket. This transparency would help people to make better insurance choices. It would also enable people to change employers without the fear of losing coverage or getting worse coverage than they currently have.

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That is a good idea BGF and I couldn’t agree more.



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