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Very few wrestlers are able to let it go and continue to appear on the indies well past their primes.  I worked shows with Ivan Koloff where he used a walker to get to the curtain and then limped babdly to the ring.  Yes today there are so many people with money they want to lose by promoting wrestling shows and paying whoever just got fired frooom WWE $1000's and while those guys can still go if they want too, there are far too many guys who this is all they can do to make a $.  What guys retired and never appeared in ring again on a indy show (not WWE/F, NWA territory days, AWA etc.)  Not including making fan Fest conventions that have sprung up the last 15 years or so.  Also not including guys who died young or were injured and couldn't get in the ring (Johnny Valentine, Magnum, Buddy Colt) A guy like Bruno Sammartino made TV commentary appearance but no in ring wrestling I can remember.  Pampero Firpo is another I don't recall making indy wrestling appearances.  Nick Bockwinkle or Verne Gagne never had to do it as I recall.



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This is a tough one. Good call on the topic!

I don't think Superstar Graham wrestled at all after WWF 1988. And even though he was in bad shape, he could have gone in without bumping.



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That's tough.  Even the richest and most successful guys (Hogan, Flair, Dusty, Piper) did indies.  Not sure if Savage ever did, if you count USWA as a territory and not an indy (which is stretching it by the time he was there).

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Savage appeared on USWA and SMW shows while under contract to the WWF. That is different than Ivan “Walker” Koloff appearing at an Indy show in 2002



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srossi wrote: That's tough.  Even the richest and most successful guys (Hogan, Flair, Dusty, Piper) did indies.  Not sure if Savage ever did, if you count USWA as a territory and not an indy (which is stretching it by the time he was there).
Other than his own show that he ran and wrestled Big Show in Memphis, did Hogan ever "wrestle" on an indy?  He's done tons of appearances.



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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: That's tough.  Even the richest and most successful guys (Hogan, Flair, Dusty, Piper) did indies.  Not sure if Savage ever did, if you count USWA as a territory and not an indy (which is stretching it by the time he was there).
Other than his own show that he ran and wrestled Big Show in Memphis, did Hogan ever "wrestle" on an indy?  He's done tons of appearances.

He also beat Curt Hennig in the XWF.  Those two might be the only official matches he had on the indies other than the overseas deal that he owned where he and Flair wrestled every night. 

In addition, he worked as a special referee for Reid Flair's in-ring debut against the Nasty Boys in North Carolina.  That was just a favor to Ric that he did for free, and he traveled with Jimmy Hart who was managing the Nastys in the match (and Hogan beat up Hart when he tried to interfere).  There's a cool pic somewhere of Hogan, Ric, Reid, and David Flair celebrating in the ring together after that match.  I know here in the northeast he also ran some angles at some minor league stadium shows where he would run in and beat up some indy heels from time to time, but I don't think he ever wrestled there.  It was just a thing to get him in the ring since he was already contracted to sign autographs and shill merch.

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Hogan worked an indy in Brantford, Ontario, in 2011. I was there. It was a pretty stacked show, but it wasn't a regular promotion: http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2011/05/15/18151081.html

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GregOliver wrote: Hogan worked an indy in Brantford, Ontario, in 2011. I was there. It was a pretty stacked show, but it wasn't a regular promotion: http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2011/05/15/18151081.html
Who did he wrestle?  It doesn’t say. 



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Once it became WWE it was a lot more about personal appearances than being in a match for these old guys. I'm not sure when that started or gotten accepted, as I doubt that the older guys like Buddy Rogers or mid-90s Wahoo McDaniel could have gotten away with it



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I think it became quite normal to see guys like Hall, Nash, Foley etc appear on TV without them wrestling matches very often, if at all. If they weren't gonna wrestle on WCW or WWF/E television, they weren't gonna get in the ring on an indie show.

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indikator wrote: Once it became WWE it was a lot more about personal appearances than being in a match for these old guys. I'm not sure when that started or gotten accepted, as I doubt that the older guys like Buddy Rogers or mid-90s Wahoo McDaniel could have gotten away with it
Speaking of Buddy Rogers, he was in the middle of hyping a match against Buddy Landel for Tri-State at the time of his death. I don’t know if he ever actually wrestled on the indies, but he was trying to. 



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He did Montreal and Ohio in the 60s and especially the latter one was an outlaw. Ohio was called something like "Wrestling Classics" at times, which was the name of their TV show at least. It was a collaboration of Rogers, Bobby Davis and probably Mark Lewin. Doing opposition to Farhat was back then doing opposition to Tunney as well so it was clearly not in the interest of the NWA for it to succeed. Hilariously it was called Wrestling Classics, as Rogers idea of wrestling was like 20 years old and based around spots. It's kinda what todays weekend warriors who at least on paper have had a 20 year career would say. Wrestling can be stupendiously onedimensional with such people



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indikator wrote: He did Montreal and Ohio in the 60s and especially the latter one was an outlaw. Ohio was called something like "Wrestling Classics" at times, which was the name of their TV show at least. It was a collaboration of Rogers, Bobby Davis and probably Mark Lewin. Doing opposition to Farhat was back then doing opposition to Tunney as well so it was clearly not in the interest of the NWA for it to succeed. Hilariously it was called Wrestling Classics, as Rogers idea of wrestling was like 20 years old and based around spots. It's kinda what todays weekend warriors who at least on paper have had a 20 year career would say. Wrestling can be stupendiously onedimensional with such peopleI remember reading about this. Johnny Barend, a longtime Rogers associate, was on top along with Lewin. They actually held the first pro wrestling card ever held at the Philadelphia Spectrum in 1967 or 1968. I don't remember Rogers being mentioned as a performer though.



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Barend is the guy that got Buddy’s WWWF Title Belt. Somebody got it from a relative out of the attic and sold it to HHH, I think it was one of the belt makers that found it.



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Superstar wrote: Barend is the guy that got Buddy’s WWWF Title Belt. Somebody got it from a relative out of the attic and sold it to HHH, I think it was one of the belt makers that found it.It was actually Buddy's old U.S. title belt which became the WWWF belt by proxy. When Buddy lost the title to Sammartino, Bruno was awarded the U.S. title belt. I don't think they had the classic Bruno WWWF belt until late 1963.



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