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 Posted: Thu Nov 9th, 2017 05:59 pm
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That ending was like a 'S & W Poster Of The Year Tournament' ending. Ring The Bell, Ring The Bell, then everyone runs away.


This got talked about for geeez, 10 years afterwards. At least.

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How about a 30 for 30 on this? Everything that was going on before, what happened during and the consequences? Could be interesting.

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I think there was a 'Bret Hart' documentary (name escapes me) that covered this

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beejmi wrote: I think there was a 'Bret Hart' documentary (name escapes me) that covered this

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Werk...even Herb implies that it was.



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WongLee wrote: Werk...even Herb implies that it was.
It really wasn't though.



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It was shocking enough to see that ending, but what blew my already spinning mind that night was immediately after the Survivor Series broadcast signed off, the WWF ran a promo for the December 7, 1987 In Your House: D-Generation X PPV. This promo marked the first time the now familiar DX theme was heard and the video footage was essentially the debut of their Titan Tron clip. The Attitude Era really had already begun much sooner, arguably in March 1997 when the Raw Is War format debuted. However, this was a point at which some of the last vestiges of the old family oriented WWF were shed away.

As for the match, there's no reason to believe it was a work. I think Bret both overstated the potentially damaging impact of him doing a semi clean job in Canada (there would have been interference for sure had he agreed to lose, heels never won clean in the WWF of that time period). It would have been enough to just put refusing to do the job, and he had every right to refuse to do the job, on the fact that he hated Shawn. This was personal not business. Bret was also naïve to think he was getting out of there with things going as planned and described. He should have sought a more acceptable compromise or been better prepared for funny business. It was like he never saw it coming.

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tamalie wrote: Bret was also naïve to think he was getting out of there with things going as planned and described. He should have sought a more acceptable compromise or been better prepared for funny business. It was like he never saw it coming.
I disagree with that part.  There had basically been one other screwjob in modern wrestling history: Moolah-Richter where Molah was more legit and Richter had no clue how to defend herself.  Once a finish was agreed upon, no matter how contentious things were in getting to that point, I don't think Bret was naïve to believe that the finish would be followed faithfully.  And he knew he would destroy Michaels in a shoot if anything funny was attempted.  The whole ref calling for the bell early thing would've never crossed his mind, and that doesn't make him naïve.  No one would've thought of that.  In retrospect, of course he shouldn't have allowed himself to be put in a submission move, but that's 100% hindsight being 20-20. 

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I don't think Bret was naive. I think Bret was an asshole for not dropping the belt in Canada. Plus it was Montreal. Especially back in those days, many in Quebec hated the rest of Canada.

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Ultimark wrote: I don't think Bret was naive. I think Bret was an asshole for not dropping the belt in Canada. Plus it was Montreal. Especially back in those days, many in Quebec hated the rest of Canada.

They still hate us. I hope they separate.

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