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You tell me whether you agree with this 'slant' or not

Job situation - better
Stock market - better
Tax Cut - good
Retailers - reported great Christmas sales
ISIS - almost a non-factor now

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BUTBUTBUT HE SAID.....SHIT!

Mostly good.

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I don't believe christmas was a good one other than for Amazon. If it was good Sams Club, Kmart, Sears, Pennys,and Macys would not be closing stores. Unemployment should go up due to these closings.

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If things are better for y'all down there, it's kind of a shame that Trump's shenanigans have distracted most people from them.

Slants being slants in politics and the media I imagine you can look at everything and come up with the opposite viewpoint rather easily. But really he's done himself a disservice going to war with the media if the things beej listed are "true".

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He has not done a GREAT job. There's enough negatives to keep it from being "great". But what he's done as far as a worker President goes has been top notch. I am beginning to think he runs his mouth to this extent to keep the focus on him and his personality instead of the work he's trying to put through. Because, if the news started debating every move he was trying to make, it could sway things in a different direction.

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khawk wrote: If things are better for y'all down there, it's kind of a shame that Trump's shenanigans have distracted most people from them.

Slants being slants in politics and the media I imagine you can look at everything and come up with the opposite viewpoint rather easily. But really he's done himself a disservice going to war with the media if the things beej listed are "true".

OK - what's worse?  Trump calling Haiti a "shithole country", or khawk calling every Asian politician a "slant".

And what Beej said is totally true, everything he's done is working.  I'm wondering about the long term effects of the tax cut though because our deficit isn't slowing down and unless he curbs the spending from within it's just going to make it worse by cutting taxes.

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beejmi wrote: Job situation - better
Stock market - better
Tax Cut - good
Retailers - reported great Christmas sales
ISIS - almost a non-factor now

Other than the tax cuts, how does Trump get credit for any of this? 

The job situation is what it is, steadily improving for many years but much worse under both Obama and Trump than really reported.

The stock market is too good and I keep saying this.  The next crash is going to be even more horrific than in 2008.  We've learned nothing.  A sign of a stable economy are realistic stock valuations, not this overly-manipulated bullshit where stock prices have no relation to performance.  

What the hell has Trump done in regards to ISIS?  They have been almost gone for years aside from what amounts to some PR stunts, but the Middle East situation is less stable than ever before.  Is anyone paying attention to what's happening in Iran right now?  If you've followed history even a little bit, including what happened right after the Arab Spring, you know this will end badly.

And this isn't taking into account the North Korea debacle, which is a very serious situation no matter how much Americans want to laugh at them.  Trump gets an F in foreign relations even if you want to credit him for the economy.

So yeah, this is far from a GREAT job.  The best thing he's done is roll back regulations to pre-'90s levels and cutting taxes.  Businesses are responding in a bit of a phony way here, extending exaggerated praise on him and making big monetary gestures to employees just to show that "it's working" in the hopes that Trump and future presidents will continue this pattern.  Although I agree with this, I also recognize the bullshit and am amused by it. 

So as far as substantive issues go, he gets one point with that.  That's far from a GREAT job since many economic issues are being ignored with spending and debt still totally out of control, foreign policy is a disaster, and his social stances are archaic.

  

 

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Superstar wrote: khawk wrote: If things are better for y'all down there, it's kind of a shame that Trump's shenanigans have distracted most people from them.

Slants being slants in politics and the media I imagine you can look at everything and come up with the opposite viewpoint rather easily. But really he's done himself a disservice going to war with the media if the things beej listed are "true".

OK - what's worse?  Trump calling Haiti a "shithole country", or khawk calling every Asian politician a "slant".

You know I saw how the slants thing read and decided to leave it in, made the over/under on a comment about it 3 posts in my mind. :) 

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Hasn't made this country any safer. Murders and violent crime are up.

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srossi wrote: beejmi wrote: Job situation - better
Stock market - better
Tax Cut - good
Retailers - reported great Christmas sales
ISIS - almost a non-factor now

Other than the tax cuts, how does Trump get credit for any of this? 

The job situation is what it is, steadily improving for many years but much worse under both Obama and Trump than really reported.

The stock market is too good and I keep saying this.  The next crash is going to be even more horrific than in 2008.  We've learned nothing.  A sign of a stable economy are realistic stock valuations, not this overly-manipulated bullshit where stock prices have no relation to performance.  

What the hell has Trump done in regards to ISIS?  They have been almost gone for years aside from what amounts to some PR stunts, but the Middle East situation is less stable than ever before.  Is anyone paying attention to what's happening in Iran right now?  If you've followed history even a little bit, including what happened right after the Arab Spring, you know this will end badly.

And this isn't taking into account the North Korea debacle, which is a very serious situation no matter how much Americans want to laugh at them.  Trump gets an F in foreign relations even if you want to credit him for the economy.

So yeah, this is far from a GREAT job.  The best thing he's done is roll back regulations to pre-'90s levels and cutting taxes.  Businesses are responding in a bit of a phony way here, extending exaggerated praise on him and making big monetary gestures to employees just to show that "it's working" in the hopes that Trump and future presidents will continue this pattern.  Although I agree with this, I also recognize the bullshit and am amused by it. 

So as far as substantive issues go, he gets one point with that.  That's far from a GREAT job since many economic issues are being ignored with spending and debt still totally out of control, foreign policy is a disaster, and his social stances are archaic.

  

 

Rossi is an even bigger buzz kill than Buzz Killington...

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It's been like watching a game of Russian (haw!) Roulette where every chamber has a bullet yet somehow the shooter keeps grazing himself versus blowing out his brains.

Been entertaining as hell from the outside, kind of re-confirms beliefs that America is a giant clown-car at heart.

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He has done nothing.

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I'm not too well versed on the stock market, but it does seem a little too good. Let me ask, are the companies doing well to justify the high prices? I do remember the dot.com craze in the 90s. They were outrageously high without even turning a profit.


I do know real estate, at least the Chicago market. The market has gone up, but nothing insane. In some neighborhoods and suburbs, the prices have finally rebounded from the crash. Luckily, I invested when the market crashed.


Funny, many "experts" warned that we'd be facing a Depression similar to 1929 if Trump won. In fairness, I don't really remember what Rossi said before the election regarding the economy. Well, now that the opposite happened, the narrative is that it's the Obama economy.

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BlueThunder wrote: Funny, many "experts" warned that we'd be facing a Depression similar to 1929 if Trump won. In fairness, I don't really remember what Rossi said before the election regarding the economy. Well, now that the opposite happened, the narrative is that it's the Obama economy.
I don't know if I said anything about the economy in general but I've been saying the same thing about the stock market for years: the other shoe is going to drop again.  I'm almost completely out of the stock market (as far as my individual brokerage account goes, I still have to rely on it for my pension, IRA, and 401(k), of course, which is scary enough).  Everyone here knows I went into cryptocurrency instead, and I'm looking at rental properties.  I've certainly missed out on some of this run-up, and I might miss out on more, but it's going to crash hard again, whether that's in 3 months or 3 years.  I don't think it can sustain this much longer than that.

There is no President that can single-handedly cause a Depression.  The original one didn't happen because of Hoover, even though he was a dipshit ill-equipped to handle it.  It happened because of an unsustainable run-up and average Americans having no sense of real value, just like what we saw in the '90s and just like what's going to happen again very soon.  It will have nothing to do with Obama or Trump or the next puppet.

   

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Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got three more years to fuck things up even more.

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Kriss wrote: Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got three more years to fuck things up even more.
This is the winner!!!

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srossi wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Funny, many "experts" warned that we'd be facing a Depression similar to 1929 if Trump won. In fairness, I don't really remember what Rossi said before the election regarding the economy. Well, now that the opposite happened, the narrative is that it's the Obama economy.
I don't know if I said anything about the economy in general but I've been saying the same thing about the stock market for years: the other shoe is going to drop again. 
   
Bold prediction there Kreskin..

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Kriss wrote: Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got seven more years to fuck things up even more.

Fixed
Obama has an awesome legacy.
 13 Million more on food stamps
 Lowest home ownership in years
 Never hit 3.0 GDP
 Doubled the national debt

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BlueThunder wrote: Kriss wrote: Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got seven more years to fuck things up even more.

Fixed
Obama has an awesome legacy.
 13 Million more on food stamps
 Lowest home ownership in years
 Never hit 3.0 GDP
 Doubled the national debt


None of your whataboutery has any bearing on the damage, possibly permanent, that Trump has done to the international image of the USA.

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Kriss wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Kriss wrote: Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got seven more years to fuck things up even more.

Fixed
Obama has an awesome legacy.
 13 Million more on food stamps
 Lowest home ownership in years
 Never hit 3.0 GDP
 Doubled the national debt


None of your whataboutery has any bearing on the damage, possibly permanent, that Trump has done to the international image of the USA.
I heard people say the same thing about Bush..

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Kriss wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Kriss wrote: Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got seven more years to fuck things up even more.

Fixed
Obama has an awesome legacy.
 13 Million more on food stamps
 Lowest home ownership in years
 Never hit 3.0 GDP
 Doubled the national debt


None of your whataboutery has any bearing on the damage, possibly permanent, that Trump has done to the international image of the USA.


Hahaha. The international image. Well, I think Trump is well liked in Poland, Hungary, Russia, Japan, South Korea, etc. He's of course criticized in the new and improved Islamic states of Germany, Britain, and France. Seriously, who cares what these cucked countries think of our alpha male President?

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If the election in Nov sees a shift in the Senate or House, then what happens to progression of any actual legislaion? Is is just another 2 years of deadlock?

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BlueThunder wrote: our alpha male President?
lolz if hes your version of an alpha male you been done kicked in the head by a horse one, two, or 139 times 

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BlueThunder wrote: Kriss wrote: Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got seven more years to fuck things up even more.

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Obama has an awesome legacy.
 13 Million more on food stamps
 Lowest home ownership in years
 Never hit 3.0 GDP
 Doubled the national debt

Never mind that the increase in food stamps was due to the recession in '07, before he took office. 

Same applies to the home ownership, an effect of the recession.  But you already knew that before regurgitating your Fox News BS.

National debt, no doubt doubled.  And now we have an administration and Congress that voted to add another $1.5T to that debt.


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DaNkinator wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Kriss wrote: Looking from the outside. In just over a year, he has taken the US from being the greatest country in the world to being just another country with a crazy leader. And he's got seven more years to fuck things up even more.

Fixed
Obama has an awesome legacy.
 13 Million more on food stamps
 Lowest home ownership in years
 Never hit 3.0 GDP
 Doubled the national debt

Never mind that the increase in food stamps was due to the recession in '07, before he took office. 

Same applies to the home ownership, an effect of the recession.  But you already knew that before regurgitating your Fox News BS.

National debt, no doubt doubled.  And now we have an administration and Congress that voted to add another $1.5T to that debt.




Look, I'm willing to admit that Obama inherited a steaming pile of shit from Bush. I'd like to think that most fair minded conservatives can at least give Obama that. He was a two term President. The food stamp increase grew throughout his presidency. Also, shouldn't an economy rebound much stronger than less than 3.0GDP right after a recession? 

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So isn't it said that it takes any new President 4 years to "fix" what the former President did? So Obama's first 4 years were to fix Bush, Trump's first 4 are to fix Obama, etc. So if that's the case, Isn't Trump fixing Obama's mess right now?

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the primary reason the debt grew so much under Obama was Bush was the first leader in the history of the World to cut taxes while waging war, and 2 wars at that, and they were still going on when Obama took office. Obama was not the liberal savior we were looking for but he'll go down in history as being one of the better presidents. Donald Dumbfuck is an utter embarrassment

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MadFrogVachon wrote: the primary reason the debt grew so much under Obama was Bush was the first leader in the history of the World to cut taxes while waging war, and 2 wars at that, and they were still going on when Obama took office. 
And they're still going on now too.  It would be a lot easier to feel sorry for Obama if he didn't keep the wars going, and keep Guantanamo open, and increase the surveillance state, and bail out the banks and car companies, and...yeah, he didn't give a shit about our deficit at all.  Just like Trump.  Just like the next dipshit, and the one after that. 

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he needed to bail out the banks and the car companies; thei failurs would've unleashed a domino effect that would have completely crippled the economy

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MadFrogVachon wrote: he needed to bail out the banks and the car companies; thei failurs would've unleashed a domino effect that would have completely crippled the economyYes, but it also created an incentive to make the same mistakes again or different mistakes that could put us in the same exact spot.  Both parties were responsible for the collapse.  Neither party owns it completely:
1. Easy home ownership rules - Clinton and Bush2. Glass Steagal repeal - Clinton and R Congress3. Removal of down tick rule (which gave short sellers free reign) - Bush4. Failure to understand Freddie or Fannie Mae - Dems in Congress5. Failure to understand leverage issues - both sides. 
The list goes on but it is unfair to blame just one side.  As for the topic of this thread, I would answer it if I were still in the first grade. 

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I see Trump making an ass out of himself in Davos, and even his best friend Piers Morgan can't get a positive interview out of him.

Again, I'm speaking from the outside, and the internal politics of the US don't really mean that much to me, but Trump's ridiculous and antagonistic attitude and rhetoric are not going to play out well in the long run.

It won't happen straight away, but there will now always be a reason not to do a deal with the US, not to open an office in the US, not to buy American, not to holiday in America. The cumulative effect will be slow, but it will be significant.



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