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 Posted: Mon Mar 5th, 2018 04:40 am
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Benlen wrote: beejmi wrote: Got commitments from 25,000 people for season tickets in 2 hours in SEATTLE
How big is the building they are playing in?

The plan at the moment is a complete gutting and renovation of the Key Arene which used to be the home of the Super Sonics. The problem is the capacity for hockey is a little over 17,000 and the lower bowl will have less than 9,000 seats.

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 Posted: Mon Mar 5th, 2018 06:15 pm
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Unless they get a new arena, I don't see how Seattle gets a team. The NHL has enough teams, probably too many and they have the smallest TV contract of the 4 major sports, by a large margin. Further expansion seems to be out of the question. I thought hockey had caught on in Carolina? I know it hasn't in FL.

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Ultimark wrote: Unless they get a new arena, I don't see how Seattle gets a team. The NHL has enough teams, probably too many and they have the smallest TV contract of the 4 major sports, by a large margin. Further expansion seems to be out of the question. I thought hockey had caught on in Carolina? I know it hasn't in FL.
Gary Bettman and the NHL owners will never learn. Right now expansion is the only revenue stream the NHL has at the moment.

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Mysterious wrote: Ultimark wrote: Unless they get a new arena, I don't see how Seattle gets a team. The NHL has enough teams, probably too many and they have the smallest TV contract of the 4 major sports, by a large margin. Further expansion seems to be out of the question. I thought hockey had caught on in Carolina? I know it hasn't in FL.
Gary Bettman and the NHL owners will never learn. Right now expansion is the only revenue stream the NHL has at the moment.
You might be right and they go this route.  A big mistake though.  Not saying Seattle shouldn't have a team.  If they get a new arena it would make sense.  I just think that one of the FL teams should be moved.  Eventually, this will cave in on itself....again.  

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I am a big hockey fan fwiw. I just know it is the 4th sport in the U.S. of the big 4.

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Ultimark wrote: Mysterious wrote: Ultimark wrote: Unless they get a new arena, I don't see how Seattle gets a team. The NHL has enough teams, probably too many and they have the smallest TV contract of the 4 major sports, by a large margin. Further expansion seems to be out of the question. I thought hockey had caught on in Carolina? I know it hasn't in FL.
Gary Bettman and the NHL owners will never learn. Right now expansion is the only revenue stream the NHL has at the moment.
You might be right and they go this route.  A big mistake though.  Not saying Seattle shouldn't have a team.  If they get a new arena it would make sense.  I just think that one of the FL teams should be moved.  Eventually, this will cave in on itself....again. 

I have to side with Seattle here for a minute, except if they actually do gut the Sonics old home it'll be a big waste of money.  I think they should just set it up as a hockey arena at the smallest possible cost, and then after the team is in place, build the new arena.  You can't blame Seattle if they don't want to commit a quarter to a half billion dollars to build an arena that as of today they don't need.  And I agree with your second piece 100%, the NHL has way more teams than it needs, and it should facilitate a move of a franchise that is failing rather than expand.  But like Mysterious wrote, that franchise fee has to look really good to Bettman right about now.  What would be totally ridiculous is if they do add a team in Seattle and two years down the road a franchise fails and needs to be contracted.



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I think Seattle can have a successful franchise. I believe they were one of the original cities in the NHL but might be wrong about that. They are thinning out the product too much.

I wonder how long Las Vegas will remain successful. It has been a great start because of how good the team is and it is a natural draw as a destination for fans from the visiting teams.

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I think the NHL will do very well in Seattle. The NBA has been gone since 2008 and there is no other major league winter sports team there. However, right now this is a $500 fully refundable deposit. Once the actual prices are released and fans are asked to put down real money, as well as when fans come to grips with the reality of a 40 plus game commitment with the random Tuesday night in February match ups against the Panthers and Senators, many fans will drop off.

It also remains to be seen if the NBA will attempt to return to Seattle and how that would impact the NHL. A new Seattle NBA team has the right to use the Supersonics name, colors, and logo. The Oklahoma City Thunder still claim the Sonics' history, but my gut says it would relinquish that to a new Sonics team and claim their own history from 2008 onward as a way to make a peace of sorts with the city and between the fan groups.

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Regarding the arena, Chris Hansen wants an NBA team there and had a proposal for a new, modern arena by Safeco Field and Century Link Field. However, the proximity of the proposed building to the Port of Seattle caused big problems. The port worried about a key road being jammed and impacting the process of getting goods out of the port. The city council denied approval for the arena and spearheaded the redo of Key Arena which is the former Seattle Center Coliseum. The plan is to gut the building completely, dig down further, and build a new arena under the roof which is a protected landmark. They did this in the mid 1990s and the resulting new arena was initially heralded, but was deemed inadequate in short order (and it truly was a patch up job, something people in Seattle never came to grips with). From what I've seen of the proposed renovation, this would be a vastly more substantial redo of the building. A new building would be better, but this renovation should create an arena that would be viable for several decades.

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Wait, a roof is a protected landmark? For God sakes, does the bullshit ever end?

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As Seattle Center Coliseum the arena was built as part of the 1962 World's Fair and is part of a campus that's the former grounds of that event and is shared with the Space Needle and some museums and other venues of culture. To be honest, the roof is a pretty interesting and unique piece of architecture and engineering. The train left the station on taking it down long ago and even if Seattle got a new arena, that roof would survive and the venue would be repurposed. Why the city is so set on keeping it a sports and entertainment arena instead of working with Chris Hansen, his NBA group, and the Port of Seattle is a mystery to me, because between the stadiums, the WaMu Theater, and other developments, that area is already getting built up. However, the Port has a lot of political clout and the city gave way and went with this renovation idea.

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