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 Posted: Tue Mar 20th, 2018 09:35 am
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Things have gone downhill since the demise of good old quaaludes



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The epidemic is real. I know lots of people affected by it.  Working class, middle class and upper class.

Yes people abused the prescribed drugs - HOWEVER, the drugs are extremely dangerous. A lot of teenagers from good homes crushed up pills in their mom's medicine cabinet and snorted them with their friends. Or partied with their friends pills when they busted their leg on a skiing trip.

The opiods pills got pushed and pushed into regular homes. Practically everybody knew somebody who got prescribed those pills at one time. People like to get high, so the temptation to abuse is there. The next thing you know, the kids are hooked on the pills and need to get their own, from the street. That's where their nightmare begins.

Basically, those pills in the medicine cabinet were a legal form of heroin, with a blessing from the medical community. Used as prescribed, they were ok. But if you abused them, your life would never be the same. Did the labels come with a warning "DANGER - ABUSING THIS DRUG WILL TURN YOU INTO A HEROIN ADDICT. YOU WILL STEAL. YOU WILL SUCK DICK. AND THEN YOU WILL DIE". Nope. The real problem is that most of the people who abused them didn't know how dangerous they were and how it would turn them into hopeless addicts. They just wanted to have a little fun on a Saturday night.

I know a lot of people hooked. Some have OD'ed and died. A lot of them ended up on heroin/fentnyl. None of them started on the stuff that eventually killed them. It all started with a little bottle of oxys....

Were quaaludes etc. back in the day as dangerous as the opiods?

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The problem though is that when you start forcing cuts in production, those who are hospitalized and need them (ie hip surgery) are seeing supplies now limited. It's already happening with Dilaudid. Our supplies have been cut 1/3, and that includes PCA pumps used for post op patients. The targeting of this peception that it's a crisis on the street, is going to create a legit crisis for inpatients.

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Well, Trump feels that we should go back to the fried egg commercials from the 80's to combat the problem, as that's where he's stuck on everything.

We've reached a whole new level of incompetence as a nation. Old, stupid, out of touch guys that have no one's best interest outside of their own greed.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: The problem though is that when you start forcing cuts in production, those who are hospitalized and need them (ie hip surgery) are seeing supplies now limited. It's already happening with Dilaudid. Our supplies have been cut 1/3, and that includes PCA pumps used for post op patients. The targeting of this peception that it's a crisis on the street, is going to create a legit crisis for inpatients.
Some providers are changing to a 200 mg ibuprofen + 500 mg acetaminophen regimen instead of a standalone opioid for all pain regimens - including post-op. Surprisingly, many patients that would have routinely been prescribed an opioid before are having good results with the ibuprofen + acetaminophen regimen.

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Just in case Trump has to step down before he loses in 2020, wondering what Pence would do lol.

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If you're going to have a war on drugs, have a war on drugs.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: The problem though is that when you start forcing cuts in production, those who are hospitalized and need them (ie hip surgery) are seeing supplies now limited. It's already happening with Dilaudid. Our supplies have been cut 1/3, and that includes PCA pumps used for post op patients. The targeting of this peception that it's a crisis on the street, is going to create a legit crisis for inpatients.I am being completely serious here. That is one of the most frightening posts I have ever read. Coming from a medical professional like Raditch who has inside knowledge and not just an anecdote from an anonymous stranger, this is simply unbelievable. So now the very sickest and broken amongst us are destined to die in agony? I really hope Jeff Sessions gets stomach cancer.

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FFS, this woman is a legit retard.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kellyanne-conway-on-avoiding-opioids-eat-the-ice-cream-have-the-french-fries-2018-03-22

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Kriss wrote: The heads of Big Pharma should be packing their bags for a non-extradition country right now.

On a slightly connected note, I can recommend the Oscar-nominated short documentary "Heroin(e)" on Netflix. It deals with this subject and the role naloxone has in saving lives. There are people who are against naloxone, and I can only presume they are Republicans, who believe that drug addicts are more likely to overdose if they know they can be saved if first responders have naloxone. I can imagine this being a belief held by people like Pence who might get into Trump's ear about this.

They're not drug dealers. They're drug pushers big difference.

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Kriss wrote:...There are people who are against naloxone, and I can only presume they are Republicans, who believe that drug addicts are more likely to overdose if they know they can be saved if first.
From many of the Facebook memes that I have seen and hospital patients that I have spoken with, some people are against naloxone since they believe that most drug addicts are the dregs of society responsible for the majority of the crimes and other ills that plague our society. They believe that if it weren't for the drug addicts, we would all have a higher quality of living while saving tax dollars since less money would be needed for prisons, law enforcement, court-mandated drug rehabilitation on the taxpayer dime, etc. Overdoses are a way to "thin the herd" of drug addicts and actually are viewed as a good thing for the society at large by these people. Some people are bitter that naloxone is "free" to addicts while people with other diseases such as diabetes and cancer have to pay for their medications. If illegal drug use is against the law, then why should police officers, first responders, etc. support this illegal activity by saving the OD victim's life?

What these people fail to realize is that the majority of naloxone administrations are not given to drug addicts who overdosed. The majority of naloxone administrations are given to people with legitimate narcotic prescriptions who take their opioid medications incorrectly (too high of a dose, doses taken too soon, with alcohol, etc). In many cases, these "legitimate" overdoses are simply medication errors by people who are no longer able to care for themselves and have nobody caring for them.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Kriss wrote:...There are people who are against naloxone, and I can only presume they are Republicans, who believe that drug addicts are more likely to overdose if they know they can be saved if first.
From many of the Facebook memes that I have seen and hospital patients that I have spoken with, some people are against naloxone since they believe that most drug addicts are the dregs of society responsible for the majority of the crimes and other ills that plague our society. They believe that if it weren't for the drug addicts, we would all have a higher quality of living while saving tax dollars since less money would be needed for prisons, law enforcement, court-mandated drug rehabilitation on the taxpayer dime, etc. Overdoses are a way to "thin the herd" of drug addicts and actually are viewed as a good thing for the society at large by these people. Some people are bitter that naloxone is "free" to addicts while people with other diseases such as diabetes and cancer have to pay for their medications. If illegal drug use is against the law, then why should police officers, first responders, etc. support this illegal activity by saving the OD victim's life?

What these people fail to realize is that the majority of naloxone administrations are not given to drug addicts who overdosed. The majority of naloxone administrations are given to people with legitimate narcotic prescriptions who take their opioid medications incorrectly (too high of a dose, doses taken too soon, with alcohol, etc). In many cases, these "legitimate" overdoses are simply medication errors by people who are no longer able to care for themselves and have nobody caring for them.

It's such a silly argument even from an economic point of view.  Drug addicts without a friend or family member who has naloxone take their drugs in public restrooms (usually restrooms of libraries are the first choice from what I've read) in the hopes that they'll be found quickly if they OD.  This requires the calling of 911 and first responders to be drawn away from other emergencies, the public building is often shut down for hours afterwards, and the drug addict is still taken to the hospital to be worked on and probably given...naloxone!  It's just much less effective by this point because more time would've passed, so I guess some people are rooting for them to die because they're assholes, but we're still paying for all of this whether they live or not. 

Not one person stops taking drugs because naloxone isn't readily available, because that's why it's called a fucking addiction.  This isn't a rational action.  Tons of taxpayer dollars are still being spent here and you're driving drug addicts into public places for their own safety but to the detriment of others in society who have to stumble over their bodies.  Hospitals still have to treat them in an emergency situation and try to save their lives whether they have any money or not.    



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