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 Fewer people are watching baseball now, than at any point in the last ten years. That, according to a Marist poll which surveyed fan interest in the game.


  According to the poll, a mere 44 percent say they watch the game, while 56 percent said they do not. Those numbers represent the lowest viewership percentages for “America’s Pastime,” since 2009.



  As Paul Bedard writes in the Washington Examiner, it’s not just the American public that seems to have lost interest in the game.


    “So far, Trump hasn’t joined in the practice of presidents throwing out the first pitch on opening day, started by William Howard Taft in 1912. Only one president since then, Jimmy Carter, didn’t participate.”

While the declining numbers in raw viewership are bad enough for baseball, the problem gets worse when you consider that MLB has taken its biggest fan losses among younger viewers
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    According to the poll, “Older Americans (51 percent of those age 45 or older) are more likely than younger Americans (37 percent of those under the age of 45) to say they are baseball fans.”


    The problem this poses for baseball in particular, cannot be understated. Unlike more action-packed, less expensive sports like football and basketball, many children get involved in baseball because their fathers and older brothers played, or were fans of the game. If the younger generation isn’t watching, who is going to teach their kids about the game?


    In addition, the sport has also become more regional. According to Marist, a small majority of baseball fans live in the Northeast and Midwest. But only 39 percent of those in the South and West called themselves baseball fans.


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The game moves too slowly for the Smartphone crowd.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: The game moves too slowly for the Smartphone crowd.
Yes! The above, plus who wants to play late March baseball in a freezer like Detroit??  Can you imagine sitting in your seat in 40 degree weather for 3+ hours??
I thought they had some kind of rule that the home teams early on should be in domes, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Arizona or California?? If not, they should enact that rule.

Also, isn't it ironic that Tampa Bay at NY Yankees was postponed due to snow?  The Yankees couldn't have played that series in Tampa, in the dome? 

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I’ve lost interest in sports across the board and know many people who feel the same way. I don’t have hours of time to commit to something that doesn’t pay me.

We have taken our kids to baseball and football games in the past and they could care less; They would rather watch WWE, a movie or watch things on YouTube.

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Is there too much of it? I look at the table, and each team has 81 home games. And nine or ten of those are against the same four opponents they face every year.

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Baseball is the worst. The era of specialization has resulted in endless pitching changes which makes almost every game a 3hr + marathon now. The Phillies new genius is taking things even further. Could take 4 hrs to play a 9 inning game soon.

The ratings decline is not just the fault of an inattentive fan base. It is the fault of baseball as well.

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kargol wrote: Is there too much of it? I look at the table, and each team has 81 home games. And nine or ten of those are against the same four opponents they face every year.The table?  I can tell you are from the UK.  You are lucky.  Every EPL game will last just under 2 hours with a break in the middle.  I have actually starting to watch myself a bit.  If the NFL is not careful, the EPL may become more popular.  OK, in the states that won't happen but interest is definitely much higher than it was just 5 years ago. 

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Looking at attendence on Easter day there were about 5 games with under 15000. That surprises me since it was opening weekend for baseball.
Oakland is struggling. They are offering a free game for anyone in two weeks. We'll see how many show up

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There are certain teams that have given up before the season starts. Just look at the joke of a franchise is Miami. Why would anyone pay to watch them unless you want to travel to MIA to watch your team against them? There are some seriously cheap prices in stub hub. There are teams that simply are not putting a product on the field that people should pay to see.

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Baseball posts on this board has fallen over the years. The interest in baseball here at S&W is minimal. 

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Ultimark wrote: kargol wrote: Is there too much of it? I look at the table, and each team has 81 home games. And nine or ten of those are against the same four opponents they face every year.The table?  I can tell you are from the UK.  You are lucky.  Every EPL game will last just under 2 hours with a break in the middle.  I have actually starting to watch myself a bit.  If the NFL is not careful, the EPL may become more popular.  OK, in the states that won't happen but interest is definitely much higher than it was just 5 years ago.
I can take that a bit further.  My team play in the second tier.  So we get 46 matches against 23 other teams.  No repeat fixtures - home and away once each.

Next season there will be six new teams.  Three relegated from the Premier, three promoted from League One.  Replacing teams that are promoted up and relegated down.  (Indeed as I type we are one place and two points above the relegation zone...)

Plus there are two knockout Cup competitions, we will have at least one game in each.

So there is a constant flux.  Next season we are bound to play teams we have not played for a while; if we get relegated we will probably play a couple we have never played before, in 143 years of history.  So there is a decent enough incentive to keep going.  Especially given the almost habitual (for us) tight end to the season - since 2011 we have been relegated from the Prem, lost in the promotion play-offs, and twice avoided relegation on the last day of the season; once when we scored with almost literally the last touch of the season. 

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Ultimark wrote: ...Every EPL game will last just under 2 hours with a break in the middle.  I have actually starting to watch myself a bit.  If the NFL is not careful, the EPL may become more popular.  OK, in the states that won't happen but interest is definitely much higher than it was just 5 years ago.
I think a big reason that English Premier League (and other soccer/football leagues) are catching on in the US is because they are on when no other live sports events are televised in the US. On the weekends in the US, most sporting events do not start until around 12 noon - 1 pm Eastern time. English Premier League games typically come on at 7:00 am and 10:00 am. During the weekday, most English Premier League games come on at 3:00 pm Eastern time. Most US sporting events don't come on until 7 pm Eastern. Since there is nothing else on to watch, the die hard sports fan tunes in.

 

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The attendance issue in baseball is getting worse. Last night there were several games under 15,000. Some of that can be attributed to the weather in the NE and Midwest but in Miami they had 7000 and the temp was 85 degrees.

The games take way too long now. Endless pitching changes and nonsense. Even the new rules are not helping. The Phillies had a 3.5 hour game last night. Not even a full 9 innings since they didn't have to bat in the bottom half. 18,000 in attendance which isn't awful when you consider how cold it was.

While the NFL definitely has issues, I think the first to hit the ceiling will be baseball. Attendance wise, only those teams that win are going to see strong attendance unless you are the Cubs. The majority of revs are locally sourced. Teams that didn't make long term deals will now find that the market is contracting. In the era of cord cutting, there just isn't that type of $ to throw around anymore. That is why the experiments with FB and other streaming outlets are starting to happen. Baseball can see the writing on the wall and needs to find new sources of revenue.

I don't see it. The big stars will still get paid by one of the 10 teams that can afford to do so. The rest will try to build teams so that their young players all have great years around the same time before having to be broken up. The young people will not watch baseball. Not with the slow moving nature of the game and especially not with how long it takes now.

This offseason, a certain type of veteran had a hard time finding a deal. The union screamed collusion but that isn't it. The system is changing into a have and have nots. If you are not a superstar don't expect a 2000% increase in pay at contract time. The new reality is going to hit some of these guys very hard.

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I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong but I really feel like professional sports have peaked and their best days are behind them.

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Franchise wrote: I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong but I really feel like professional sports have peaked and their best days are behind them.I am getting that sense as well.  Not sure about the NBA yet.  They could be an exception or I may be biased considering the Sixers are finally good.   It is pretty clear for the other 3 though.  It doesn't mean that every city is the same story but nationally there really is no question anymore.  Baseball, football and hockey have problems.  The NFL is probably the furthest away of the 3 from actually feeling any pain because networks continue to pony up unreal $.  However, in baseball with the majority of $ being locally sourced, there are probably about a dozen franchises that could be in trouble over the next 10 years.  Same with hockey in the states.  

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Problems? Sure. But they're all making money hand over dick.

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Not every franchise is and some are going to have big problems very soon.

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Baseball is a boring sport.

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Ultimark wrote: Not every franchise is and some are going to have big problems very soon.
No, they're all making money because of revenue sharing, and revenue has never been higher than it is now. Thanks to things like new technology, fantasy leagues and ticket re-sellers, they're taking in ridiculous amounts of money.

If "big problems" arise, they'll be manufactured by Oakland and Tampa, which want new venues. But they're not genuine, and there are no viable relocation sites left so there isn't a lot of leverage.

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Yeah, which franchises are hurting?

The Pirates were in the black before the season began with the revenue coming in.

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If you look at MLB attendance over the past 25 or so seasons, there have been a ton of new stadiums that opened. A new stadium always get a honeymoon period of two or three seasons. Everyone wants to see it for the first time. Going to a game is a conversation topic. A game that ought to draw 22,000 would draw 40,000 instead, even chilly games in April and games in September when the home team was 18 games out of first place. The new stadium boom is over. Every team that needed one now has one, with the Dodgers and Royals getting nice renovations, except for the A's and Rays. MLB attendance will no longer get that bounce from teams drawing an extra million plus fans per season over the course of a few with it happening to more than one team at time.

MLB teams won't feel any pain in the next decade because most have local TV contracts that pay huge amounts and run for a very long time. Most MLB teams also have highly favorable revenue splits on their stadiums.

The NHL is the one that might have teams in trouble although not in the sense that any will fold or such a thing. The issue that league has, as always, is that it's more reliant on sources other than TV revenue than the NFL, MLB, and NBA by a vast distance because the league has such low TV revenues by comparison. I believe the Dodgers get more money on their local TV contract, before we add in the national money, than the NHL teams get combined off of their U.S. national TV contract with NBC. The NHL teams that would have trouble are the usual suspects like the Coyotes and Panthers who are in non traditional NHL markets with arenas located in the distant suburbs that make going to a game on a weeknight a chore many would rather leave undone. What the NHL has in its favor are enough places to put sick teams if relocation comes to pass. Quebec is an open market in Canada. There are places like Kansas City, Portland, Houston, and Cleveland off the top of my head Stateside with arenas and interest. Seattle would top the list if not for expansion likely going there.

The NHL never took proper advantage of the Gretzky era, especially after he went to LA, to get a national TV contract in the U.S. that paid big and got the league exposure. The Sports Channel America boondoggle from 1988-92 coincided with Wayne still being in his prime with the Kings and with Mario Lemieux riding high with the Penguins. The NHL has never fully recovered from that and from the lockout cancelling the 2004-05 season right when the ESPN deal was up for renewal which resulted in an offer that was a pittance and put the league on the little watched OLN and its successor Vs. until it evolved into NBC Sports Network which remains a niche channel to a great extent.

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MEts are 10 -1 who cares

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The Orioles are trying a "Kids Cheer for Free" program this year. 2 kids under the age of 9 are allowed in for free with one paying adult. Also offering $1.50 hot dogs and $4 beers:

https://sports.yahoo.com/baltimore-orioles-0-tickets-antidote-baseballs-attendance-woes-142016925.html

The grand experiment is barely a week old, so the Baltimore Orioles still aren’t entirely certain of the long-term effect their newest tier of ticket prices will have on the organization. It is one thing to lower the cost of getting into Camden Yards. It is something different altogether to make that price $0.

The rest of the story won't post for some reason. Available through link above

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krazykid18 wrote: MEts are 10 -1 who caresThis will make the argument presented in this thread relevant. The Mets are the hottest team in baseball and are coming home this weekend. The weather is supposed to be pretty springlike. However, they are playing a meh Milwaukee team so that might effect the attendance. Curious to see how this goes.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Baseball is a boring sport.
That's not a new development.

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Papa Voo wrote: Yeah, which franchises are hurting?

Oakland. They had their revenue sharing cut 30% last year and 15 % this year by the league. They still don't give a shit. After opening day they are averaging about 9000 a game in attendance. They are offering one free game to get people back in the park. They raise their parking fees to 50 bucks this year which is insane.

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It isn't true rev share in the sense that it all equals out. It doesn't. It is a luxury tax. The Pirates have a bad deal compared to other teams. $20m in local TV rev. The Phillies have $100m and a very long deal. National contracts bring in about another $55m however that is anticipated to decline when the next cycle comes which I think is around 2020 or 2021. Can't recall offhand. Players salaries are not the only expense that teams have. Not by a long shot. The big market teams will be fine but the small market teams are going to have problems. Big problems.

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Benlen wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Yeah, which franchises are hurting?

Oakland. They had their revenue sharing cut 30% last year and 15 % this year by the league. They still don't give a shit. After opening day they are averaging about 9000 a game in attendance. They are offering one free game to get people back in the park. They raise their parking fees to 50 bucks this year which is insane.
Miami obviously.  

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So you have Oakland in big trouble? Out of 30 franchises? Someone is always last in revenue.

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Mia, det, balt, kc, sea, tor lost money last year.

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Benlen wrote: Mia, det, balt, kc, sea, tor lost money last year.
Baltimore has really been hurting since the Montreal Expos became the Washington Nationals. The Orioles used to have a monopoly on baseball in the Maryland / DC / Virginia area. Add in that the Nationals have had a more competitive team over the past several years and a large number of fans are jumping off the Baltimore bandwagon to root on the Nationals.

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No MLB owner is going to sell at a loss, so they're all fine.  They just keep getting money from NY, Boston, and L.A. like welfare queens until they decide to sell at a huge profit.  Fuck any of them preaching poverty.

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The Marlins were just sold for $1.2 billion. The guy who sold the franchise paid $158.5 million for it.

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TerryWWWF wrote: The Marlins were just sold for $1.2 billion. The guy who sold the franchise paid $158.5 million for it.
Now that's  making money!

The books probably show a 'loss' over the years though (hilariously)

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Benlen wrote: Mia, det, balt, kc, sea, tor lost money last year.
Baltimore has really been hurting since the Montreal Expos became the Washington Nationals. The Orioles used to have a monopoly on baseball in the Maryland / DC / Virginia area. Add in that the Nationals have had a more competitive team over the past several years and a large number of fans are jumping off the Baltimore bandwagon to root on the Nationals.

Too bad for them. Washington DC is one of the oldest baseball markets in this country and it was a shame that they were without a team for so long thanks to the shenanigans of Peter Angelos

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silentkiller wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Benlen wrote: Mia, det, balt, kc, sea, tor lost money last year.
Baltimore has really been hurting since the Montreal Expos became the Washington Nationals. The Orioles used to have a monopoly on baseball in the Maryland / DC / Virginia area. Add in that the Nationals have had a more competitive team over the past several years and a large number of fans are jumping off the Baltimore bandwagon to root on the Nationals.

Too bad for them. Washington DC is one of the oldest baseball markets in this country and it was a shame that they were without a team for so long thanks to the shenanigans of Peter Angelos

Yeah, if the Orioles weren't able to build up enough of a fanbase in the 35 years or so that they had the market to themselves, then that's their problem.  There's really no excuse that not only did the D.C. fans bail, but many fans in the surrounding areas prefer the Nationals too.  They're clearly a more exciting team.

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The Phillies owners paid $30m in 81, I think. Gotta be worth $2B now. Pretty damn good investment.

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Ultimark wrote: The Phillies owners paid $30m in 81, I think. Gotta be worth $2B now. Pretty damn good investment.
$1.7B  https://www.forbes.com/teams/philadelphia-phillies/

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$1.7B? OK, I guess I would take that. Around $800m of that is Middleton. Still a lot of other families involved. The charter reads that no one can own 50.0% or more.

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If MLB wants increase attendence bring back juiced balls and the steroids boys. They saved the league last time.

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Blue Jays sucking hard. Down several thousand fans per game. Painful to watch. God awful team this season. Pitching which was supposed to be astrength has been abysmal.

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7 teams under 20,000 fans a game


White Sox, Cleve, Cincy, Pitt, Oakland, Tampa and Miami


Marlins at 10,000 a game


Low viewership has turned into low attendance

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beejmi wrote: 7 teams under 20,000 fans a game


White Sox, Cleve, Cincy, Pitt, Oakland, Tampa and Miami


Marlins at 10,000 a game


Low viewership has turned into low attendance

Florida can't even support 1 team and Tampa needs to move.  Miami needs to be given a chance to see what Jeter can do.  It's the first 2 months of his re-building project and the fans are just pissed that he gutted the team (again) but you have to see where it goes over the next 2 years. 



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