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Not *literally* no one, but years go by and it doesn't get thought about much and then you go "Holy shit, that actually happened".

- Courtney Cox appeared on Nitro several times at the height of "Friends" hysteria to try to talk David Arquette out of wrestling

- Little-known referee Mark Johnson was a full-fledged member of the NWO reboot at one point

- Evander Holyfield boxed Matt Hardy on SNME

- Jake Roberts appeared on an ECW PPV

- Rob Feinstein managed to make TV as a performer for ECW, WCW, and the WWF during the late '90s

- The Hart Foundation spray painted the "N word" in the Nation of Domination's locker room

- New Jack and Shark Boy formed a comedy team in TNA

- Rico Constantino pinned Ric Flair cleanly on Raw

- Black Bart was a full-fledged WWF jobber for a year, not far removed from being named World Class' first "World" champion

- Eric Bischoff beat Terry Funk for the WCW Hardcore title

- CM Punk's first high-profile feud was with Raven and it lasted more than 6 months in both ROH and TNA

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David Sammartino wrestled a match on Nitro.

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If not for WWE.com mentioning it this morning, I totally forgot that Holyfield came in to box Matt Hardy.

Until you mentioned it, I completely forgot Courtney Cox' nipples were on Nitro.

A couple I don't know at all, like the N word being spraypainted, Feinstein, and the New Jack/Shark Boy team. But the others I remember clearly (but admittedly wouldn't have brought them up in conversation if you didn't mention it).

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Disco Inferno pinned Manabu Nakanishi after twatting him with a disco ball from the roof.

Maestro made his Nitro debut on a descending piano. With Ken Shamrock's fake sister.

Brooklyn Brawler in a battle royal under the name MVP, with a gimmick that would be renamed Knuckleball.

Ciclope and Damien 666 beating Harlem Heat by pinfall on Nitro.

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srossi wrote:
- The Hart Foundation spray painted the "N word" in the Nation of Domination's locker room


That's what DX said.  I thought the storyline would go that DX did it to frame the Hart Foundation, but WWF dropped it fairly sharpish.

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Rene Goulet pinning Akira Maeda with a standard suplex on WWF TV in the 80's.
Randy Savage doing a job for Bruiser Bedlam in SMW

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Kriss wrote: David Sammartino wrestled a match on Nitro.
That was very bizarre as David had been retired for 5 years at that point, wasn't actively competing, and basically never wrestled again with the exception of some fanfest matches 15 years later.  He wrestled Dean Malenko on Nitro for the Cruiserweight title and the connection there is that David and Joe Malenko were tag partners during an All-Japan tour in 1990.  I always wondered if maybe that's how he got the match.

And consider this: David Sammartino holds wins over hardcore legends Atsushi Onita and Cactus Jack, and once beat Genichiro Tenryu too.

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I love this topic.

- In the summer of 1986, before the Machines vs. Heenan Family angle really got going, the WWF teased one of Big John Studd and King Kong Bundy turning babyface after they got into a shoving match following a disqualification loss to the British Bulldogs on TV and then had King Tonga bodyslam Studd on TV when only Andre and Hogan had accomplished this feat, setting off a brief feud before the future Haku got channeled into the Islanders tag team.

- The WWF intended to push the Moondogs again during the summer of 1986 and recorded a match at the Championship Wrestling taping in Poughkeepsie with Jimmy Hart as their manager, only to scrap the idea and quietly burn the bout off on All American Wrestling.

- Andre The Giant was announced as a Royal Rumble '91 participant in the long list of wrestlers Mean Gene would rattle off during the promo segments. Then he was quietly removed from the match with no fanfare and never had a WWF match again despite the promotion teasing he'd wrestle again during the course of that year.

- Shawn Michaels vs. Tito Santana at WM8 was to have been Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty, but Marty got fired right after the Barbershop window angle. He had a girlfriend who 19 or 20 and was denied entry to a nightclub where alcohol was sold for being underage. They made a big scene and the police were called. Marty had some drugs (cocaine, I think) on him and was arrested. He didn't make it back until November or December. Tito got his Mania spot.

- Iron Mike Sharpe did some TV squash jobs for the WWF as late as mid 1995.

- The Bushwhackers were in the WWF as a babyface tag team getting house show and TV wins as late as September of 1996 and even were in an angle with Brian Pillman.

- Tom Zenk was in WCW into the spring of 1994.

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Owen Hart had some televised matched on WCW Worldwide in the very early 1990s.

Also on WCW Worldwide, the Freebirds and the Southern Boys had a best of three series for the Southern tag team trophy, which I don't think was ever used again.

Brian Pillman had a weird series of matches where he faced jobbers like Rip Rogers and George South in gimmick matches. Weird shit like no falls count in the first five minutes, and match where both men started with ten points and lost a point if they touched the mat with anything apart from their feet. Pillman's opponent lost a point by doing a cartwheel.

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The Owen hart stuff in WCW was an interesting visual.

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Great stuff. Didn't remember any of these. Saw Owen in WCW through the magic of old rasslin tapes but otherwise drew a blank on these.


I also fell off a ladder last September and had a double skull fracture , a concussion and was laying in a pool of spinal fluid so maybe my memory isn't up to par just yet.

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Brooklyn Brawler got a main event title shot at MSG against Boy Toy in 1997.

Terry Gordy appeared in ECW.

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beejmi wrote:

I also fell off a ladder last September and had a double skull fracture , a concussion and was laying in a pool of spinal fluid so maybe my memory isn't up to par just yet.
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The Conquistadors beat Sam Houston and Terry Taylor clean on TV. Then the cameramen completely ignores the Conquistadors who inadvertently walk out to pay attention to Taylor heel turn.

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The night Goldust died. I can't remember how or when Goldust returned.



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Jim Neidhart and JYD as a tag team in 1993 in WCW.

JW Storm was doing an undefeated streak gimmick in 1990 or 91. Brad Armstrong was the one who ended the streak.

Erik Watts in ECW

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broke wrote: Erik Watts in ECW
I absolutely have no recollection of this at all. Scotty Riggs I remember, but not Erik Watts. 

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Bret Hart worked in Toronto as Buddy "The Hearthrob " Hart in the spring of 1984, so as not to confuse the fans with Brett Hart (Barry Horowitz) He also got a clean pin on Kabuki

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WongLee wrote: beejmi wrote:

I also fell off a ladder last September and had a double skull fracture , a concussion and was laying in a pool of spinal fluid so maybe my memory isn't up to par just yet.
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You're supposed to set up a wooden table behind the ladder to break your fall.




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lobo316 wrote: The night Goldust died. I can't remember how or when Goldust returned.




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lobo316 wrote: The night Goldust died. I can't remember how or when Goldust returned.

Rhodes started doing a sort of Born Again Christian thing in the ring - dressing all in white and doing promos about how "He Is Coming".  And of course the swerve was that the "he" was Goldust.

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Chris Benoit wrestled three WWF dark matches in June 1995, losing to Bob Holly, Adam Bomb and Owen Hart. On at least one occasion, he was managed by Ted DiBiase.

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Bruno Sammartino wrestled once in Amarillo, in February 1980, in a tag team match to help get his son over.

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One of Owen Hart's matches from WCW



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- Black Bart was a full-fledged WWF jobber for a year, not far removed from being named World Class' first "World" champion


I remember this because it made me think
"Shit, this guy was the WCCW 'World" Champion and now he can't beat anyone in the WWF"
and
"If he's willing to job so much for the WWF, how bad was the pay in WCCW that this seemed like a better alternative?"

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khawk wrote: - Black Bart was a full-fledged WWF jobber for a year, not far removed from being named World Class' first "World" champion


I remember this because it made me think
"Shit, this guy was the WCCW 'World" Champion and now he can't beat anyone in the WWF"
and
"If he's willing to job so much for the WWF, how bad was the pay in WCCW that this seemed like a better alternative?"

Gary Hart's autobiography goes into detail about how bad WCCW was during the Black Bart era.  Although certainly bitter that he had been pushed out as booker by Ken Mantell, it was clearly every bit the shit-show that Hart claims.  Seceding from the NWA and then going with Black Bart of all people when other World champions were Hogan and Flair, it was just a disaster and the loyal Dallas fans were pretty shell-shocked by David and Mike's deaths by that time and were checked out, as was Fritz.   

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I remember seeing that picture of Ted and Chris in an apter mag around the time Chris debuted in WCW and being pissed that the WWF didn’t sign him. (I was a WWF loyalist at that point). I didn’t know much about anything as a 16 year old fan without internet but it only took one WCW match for me to see Chris was badass.

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Just to be fair with World Class regarding their world champion, I believe Rick Rude was the champ when Fritz left the NWA, which wasn’t a terrible move by any means.  Rude and Pringle were fun together.  That’s when the shit went down after a few months.  Rude bolted for Crockett, and they went with Chris Adams, which also wasn’t bad.  At some point in the summer, Adams was either arrested or finally had to serve jail time for beating up the stewardess.  That’s when Fritz was in a bind and they gave it to Black Bart (may have even been a phantom change).  Black Bart had been Mid Atlantic champion up until a few weeks earlier when he lost to Rob Garvin.  It was obvious he was going to be a transitional champion to Kevin at the Cotton Bowl show.  I’m doing this all by memory, but I don’t think Black Bart held the belt for more than 4-6 weeks until the Cotton Bowl.  It’s not like Fritz severed ties with the NWA with the sol purpose of strapping Bart and riding him to the moon. Just typical World Class circumstances happened and lots of bad luck.

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srossi wrote:

- Black Bart was a full-fledged WWF jobber for a year, not far removed from being named World Class' first "World" champion

Technically, Rick Rude was the first World Class "World" Champion, when they decided to go on their own in the Spring of 1986. Chris Adams then beat him, over the summer. Black Bart then "beat" Adams in what I believe was a phantom title switch, circa September 1986. Didn't last long, as Kevin Von Erich soon beat him for the championship.
Bart as a heel champ was a flop, but he was in and out of World Class, UWF and other places for a few years, afterwards. He went to the WWF in 1990. It's splitting hairs, but it's like saying "former NWA World Champion Ronnie Garvin was jobbing in the WWF within 3 years".
I think one point of confusion about Bart being World Class's "first" World champ is that they started running on ESPN in the late summer or fall of 1986. These were current, first-run shows and not the "Legends of World Class" package that came later.

Here's one I can add: in 1998, the BUSHWHACKERS appeared in ECW.
Junkyard Dog also appeared for ECW sometime in the mid to late 90's. I think it was more of a special appearance and don't believe he actually wrestled.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Junkyard Dog also appeared for ECW sometime in the mid to late 90's. I think it was more of a special appearance and don't believe he actually wrestled.

JYD appeared as part of an introduction of legends when they held a PPV in Marietta, Georgia. This was the night when JYD and New Jack had a back stage fight over some money they JYD allegedly owed to New Jack. JYD had a band-aid on his face when he came out, and he was wearing an ECW t-shirt, since his shirt was bloody after the fight.

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kargol wrote: lobo316 wrote: The night Goldust died. I can't remember how or when Goldust returned.

Rhodes started doing a sort of Born Again Christian thing in the ring - dressing all in white and doing promos about how "He Is Coming".  And of course the swerve was that the "he" was Goldust.

The intention was Dustin Runnels would get over in the WWF as himself minus the Goldust gimmick. It was a spectacular failure. After a month or two, he started doing the Born Again gimmick as a heel. It seemed like the initial intention was for him to be a Christian heel. He made a lot of comments about the far out Attitude Era sleaze and was portrayed a very unhip and dull while he prayed. Then the Goldust thing came up with the "He Is Coming" stuff. Perhaps they thought being this overt about mocking religion was going too far. During the RTC stuff Stevie Richards was known as Father Steven for a week, two tops, before that got dialed back.
 
When Faarooq and Bradshaw came together as the Acolytes, they were managed by The Jackyl for a few weeks before he left TV and they wound up with Undertaker's Ministry of Darkness.
 
Jackyl had previously managed the Oddities as grotesque heels who were angry over being cast out by society. Then he was dropped as their manager after a couple of weeks which led to Sable introducing them as friends of hers who were misunderstood, leading to them being fun loving, comedy babyfaces.
 
Rick Rude didn't bolt on World Class. He lost the World Class Title at the July 4, 1986 Reunion Arena show to Chris Adams and then stuck around until a couple of weeks past Labor Day. The trouble started when Adams got arrested. They wanted to transition the belt to Kevin Von Erich but didn't have a single major league level heel worthy of carrying the belt. They'd have been better off vacating the title and then paying some freelancer of note above the odds money to come in and lose cleanly to Kevin. Bart didn't have the title for more than about two weeks.
 
When the WWF rebooted its syndicated shows in the fall of 1986, the first taping cycle of Wrestling Challenge, which replaced All Star Wrestling, had Gorilla Monsoon teamed with Ernie Ladd and Johnny Valiant. It didn't work and by the next taping, the now familiar Gorilla Monsoon pairing with Bobby Heenan was in place.
 
For a while in the fall of 1986, Adrian Adonis was gone from the WWF. He wasn't mentioned at all and his feud with Roddy Piper was transferred to Magnificent Muraco and Bob Orton Jr. taking the spot against the Rowdy One. Adonis was off TV after the SNME that aired on 10/4/86. That show was taped 9/13/86. Adrian was gone after the 9/15/86 taping of Superstars. He didn't appear at a WWF card until 11/14/86 and not on TV until the 11/29/86 SNME which was taped 11/15/86. Where he was and why he wasn't mentioned hasn't been explained as far as I can recall.

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Rick Rude working a tour for AJPW in 1991

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I have a million more of these that pop into my head but by the time I'm ready to write them down, I can't remember them.

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Harley Race making a brief appearance in the AWA during it's dying days.

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srossi wrote: I have a million more of these that pop into my head but by the time I'm ready to write them down, I can't remember them.Welcome to middle age. 

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When Mike Ramada was NWA world champion, part of the deal was the wasn't allowed to lose non-title matches without peirmission of the NWA board. So, while the NWA world tag team champions were picking up a pay check as jobbers on the WWF C-shows, the NWA world heavyweight champion was working as a "cop" on Nitro.

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That The Mighty Igor was AWA World Champion in 1965 for a week.

That Boris Malenko was AWA Tag Team Champion with Bob Geigel in 1961.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: That The Mighty Igor was AWA World Champion in 1965 for a week.

That Boris Malenko was AWA Tag Team Champion with Bob Geigel in 1961.

That most of us weren't born for those!

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broke wrote: Harley Race making a brief appearance in the AWA during it's dying days.
I actually remember this well because he was presented as a legit threat to win the AWA belt.  And I also remember thinking that putting the strap on Harley may have gotten the AWA some footing, especially if he went to Japan to put over Saito or somebody else on a tour.  But of course, he was like so many other big names that went through the AWA at that time, he was in for a taping and gone.

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A bunch of WWF cups of coffee in the mid 80's: Wrestling II, Buzz Sawyer, Spoiler, Gama Singh, Missing Link.

Kenny from Spirit Squad beating Ric Flair a few times

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Kriss wrote: When Mike Ramada was NWA world champion, part of the deal was the wasn't allowed to lose non-title matches without peirmission of the NWA board. So, while the NWA world tag team champions were picking up a pay check as jobbers on the WWF C-shows, the NWA world heavyweight champion was working as a "cop" on Nitro.
Who were the tag champs at the time?

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Kriss wrote: When Mike Ramada was NWA world champion, part of the deal was the wasn't allowed to lose non-title matches without peirmission of the NWA board. So, while the NWA world tag team champions were picking up a pay check as jobbers on the WWF C-shows, the NWA world heavyweight champion was working as a "cop" on Nitro.
Who were the tag champs at the time?

I have vague recollections of David Young jobbing in the WWF (before his TNA push a couple years later).  Young and Rick Michaels were NWA Tag champs at the time of Rapada (late 2000) so maybe this is the reference.  Can't remember if they ever jobbed as a team, but probably. 

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Regarding Rick Rude doing an All Japan tour in 1991 post WWF/pre WCW, a few interesting names made tours there in the early to mid 1990s. Rather than All Japan perennials like Stan Hansen and Steve Williams, I'm thinking about Ray Traylor going there as Big Bubba Rogers after leaving the WWF and his Big Bossman gimmick behind in 1993, but before going to WCW later that year. Another one was Ted DiBiase. He left the WWF after Summerslam '93 and started touring with All Japan. He'd have likely been still wrestling there as late as the Pro Wrestling NOAH breakaway at which point he was in his mid 40s, but suffered a neck injury and wound up retiring before 1993 was done.

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srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Kriss wrote: When Mike Ramada was NWA world champion, part of the deal was the wasn't allowed to lose non-title matches without peirmission of the NWA board. So, while the NWA world tag team champions were picking up a pay check as jobbers on the WWF C-shows, the NWA world heavyweight champion was working as a "cop" on Nitro.
Who were the tag champs at the time?

I have vague recollections of David Young jobbing in the WWF (before his TNA push a couple years later).  Young and Rick Michaels were NWA Tag champs at the time of Rapada (late 2000) so maybe this is the reference.  Can't remember if they ever jobbed as a team, but probably. 


The two guys from Texas. Khris Germany and Kit Carson.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Kriss wrote: When Mike Ramada was NWA world champion, part of the deal was the wasn't allowed to lose non-title matches without peirmission of the NWA board. So, while the NWA world tag team champions were picking up a pay check as jobbers on the WWF C-shows, the NWA world heavyweight champion was working as a "cop" on Nitro.
Who were the tag champs at the time?

I have vague recollections of David Young jobbing in the WWF (before his TNA push a couple years later).  Young and Rick Michaels were NWA Tag champs at the time of Rapada (late 2000) so maybe this is the reference.  Can't remember if they ever jobbed as a team, but probably. 


The two guys from Texas. Khris Germany and Kit Carson.

I don't remember them at all, not even as NWA names.

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I’ll throw this one out there as I just watched this show the other night and had totally forgotten this.  The Young Stallions got a title shot against the Hart Foundation on Saturday Nights Main Event and actually came within an eyelash of getting the pinfall victory.
This was the October 1987 show with the uniting of the Megapowers.

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Johnny Polo calling Vince McMahon "Vic" when they co-hosted one of the syndicated shows.

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tamalie wrote: Regarding Rick Rude doing an All Japan tour in 1991 post WWF/pre WCW, a few interesting names made tours there in the early to mid 1990s. Rather than All Japan perennials like Stan Hansen and Steve Williams, I'm thinking about Ray Traylor going there as Big Bubba Rogers after leaving the WWF and his Big Bossman gimmick behind in 1993, but before going to WCW later that year. Another one was Ted DiBiase. He left the WWF after Summerslam '93 and started touring with All Japan. He'd have likely been still wrestling there as late as the Pro Wrestling NOAH breakaway at which point he was in his mid 40s, but suffered a neck injury and wound up retiring before 1993 was done.
Traylor was awesome in AJPW.

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Blazer wrote: I’ll throw this one out there as I just watched this show the other night and had totally forgotten this.  The Young Stallions got a title shot against the Hart Foundation on Saturday Nights Main Event and actually came within an eyelash of getting the pinfall victory.
This was the October 1987 show with the uniting of the Megapowers.

They actually beat them in a non-title match to set this up. One of the biggest upsets in WWE history. 

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Yep, they beat them on Superstars of Wrestling that summer. The Harts lost to the Stallions that summer and the Killer Bees. Trying to recall without looking it up... I think the Bees win happened first via pinfall after they used the masks. The Stallions may have been a funky reverse decision with Mr T coming down to reverse the call. Good stuff. Then of course those two teams ended up co-winners in the Survivor Series.

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The Young Stallions got a nice push in the early fall of 1987 as change of pace opponents for the Hart Foundation since the British Bulldogs and their feud with the Harts was played out, the Killer Bees were also played out, the WWF hadn't yet figured out what to do with the Rougeaus, and Strike Force had just become a team and were getting established ahead of getting the belts. It was over by the time WM4 passed.

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Superstar wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: That The Mighty Igor was AWA World Champion in 1965 for a week.

That Boris Malenko was AWA Tag Team Champion with Bob Geigel in 1961.

That most of us weren't born for those!


Makes them even harder to remember bc you haven't forgotten them yet

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: I’ll throw this one out there as I just watched this show the other night and had totally forgotten this.  The Young Stallions got a title shot against the Hart Foundation on Saturday Nights Main Event and actually came within an eyelash of getting the pinfall victory.
This was the October 1987 show with the uniting of the Megapowers.

They actually beat them in a non-title match to set this up. One of the biggest upsets in WWE history. 

I know things are different now a days but I used to enjoy seeing the champs lose a non title match or have a series of matches that ended in draws or count outs to build the challenger. All of which made the Hart’s non title loss to Arn and Tully at SS89 all that more surprising. 

And speaking of Traylor in AJPW it was great to see him wearing his Bossman gimmick in the ring with The AJPW stars. 

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Hornswoggle once escaped from Carlito by painting a door onto the dressing room wall.

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Regarding the Young Stallions, it occurred to me that the reason for their mini feud with the Hart Foundation, which included the SNME match and a month or so of house show bouts, was that Jimmy Hart sang an upbeat pop/rock song called "Crank It Up" on "Piledriver: The Wrestling Album 2" with the intention that it would be the entrance music for the tag team champs only for Roma and Powers to swipe it for themselves. I think Roma was using it on and off as his music almost until he turned heel to join Hercules in Power & Glory in mid 1990, nearly three years later.

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Jim Powers hung around in the WWF until 1994...still using "Crank it Up" the whole time!

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Another one of those things that happened that few remember PG-13 appearing on Monday Night Raw back in 1995. The WWF had a shallow talent pool at the time and especially on the tag team side of things. The Smoking Gunns won the WWF Tag Team Title from Owen Hart and Yokozuna on the live 9/25/95 Raw. At the same taping, in an episode taped for 10/2/95, PG-13 debuted by winning squash over Sonny Rogers and Al Brown. On the episode taped for 10/9/95 they did an inset interview challenging the Gunns for the title. In the fourth and final Raw from that taping which aired on 10/16/95, the Gunns beat PG-13 to retain the title. JC Ice and Wolfie D then returned to Memphis and weren't mentioned again. When they came back to the WWF in November of 1996 as sidekicks for Faarooq and the first members of the Nation of Domination, their previous WWF matches were not acknowledged even though it was a year or so earlier and they used the same names and gimmick.

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As I remember it, when PG-13 were the rappers for the NOD, they were never mentioned by name, except for giving themselves a name check in their entrance rap. The commentators never named them and their team name was never used.

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Kriss wrote: Hornswoggle once escaped from Carlito by painting a door onto the dressing room wall.
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Goldberg was billed as being from "Parts Unknown" for a while in 1998.

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The Headhunters (the twin Abdullah The Butcher clones of Japanese garbage promotion and early ECW fame, among other things) made two one night shots in the WWF. Both were in the 1996 Royal Rumble, designated as the Squat Team #1 and #2. They came back for a single Raw Is War appearance in June of 1997. They were managed by Jim Cornette and attacked the Headbangers to set up a feud that never got started. I don't think the team was ever identified by name on TV. In each instance, the team immediately vanished and was never mentioned again.

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Latin Lover being in the 1997 Royal Rumble

Kabuki being in the 1994 Royal Rumble

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Mean Gene doing an interview with Starla Sexton/Molly Holly in WCW (I think she was Miss Madness at the time) and he spent the entire time staring at her ample bosom.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Latin Lover being in the 1997 Royal Rumble

Kabuki being in the 1994 Royal Rumble


From 94-97, WWE's roster was so thin that they were bringing in people from anywhere and everywhere to make it to 30. Now they can do 50 and not everyone gets a shot.

Doug Gilbert, Mil Mascaras, Takao Omori, Dory Funk Jr. and Dick Murdoch about a week before he died all made pretty much unadvertised Rumble appearances.

The Kabuki thing was really weird because he was one of the heels who helped put Undertaker in the casket, so it looked like they maybe had some plans for him.

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Cibernetico and Peroth (sp) had a match on Superstars with Furnas and Lafon right around the royal rumble and I was hoping they would rip the house apart but it is a short throw away match.

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The Kabuki thing was really weird because he was one of the heels who helped put Undertaker in the casket, so it looked like they maybe had some plans for him.

Was Tenryu also one of those?

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Demolition lost at WrestleMania VII to Tenryu & Koji Kitao.The very underrated team of Terry Gordy & Jimmy Snuka in Georgia. Held the National Tag belts twice.

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Tenryu was part of SWS which made an attempt at being part of a big three with All Japan and New Japan. It had big money backing and got access to North American talent by doing a deal with the WWF which saw an alliance with a Japanese promotion as the key to breaking Japan, but New Japan was with WCW and All Japan didn't want to work with any other group. When SWS lost its backing, Tenryu reconstituted the group as WAR and kept the WWF alliance for a while. Tenryu coming over now and then for Mania and the Rumble, plus he worked some Superstars and Challenge tapings to get matches for Japanese TV of him as a star in America. Kabuki and Koji Kitao were part of his Japanese groups.

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Baron Von Rasche had a short run in the WWF as the original manager of the Powers of Pain

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Latin Lover being in the 1997 Royal Rumble
In addition to the thin roster that Kriss mentioned, the 1997 Rumble event had no less than FOUR Lucha matches from AAA (feel free to correct me if it wasn't exactly AAA...I'm not a lucha follower). Three matches were on the "Free for All" and (I think) are rarely seen. A six-man tag made it to the PPV proper, though--- Canek, Héctor Garza and Perro Aguayo vs. Fuerza Guerrera, Heavy Metal and Jerry Estrada.
At the time, I felt that WWF's agreement with the luchadores was an attempt to compete with WCW's cruiserweight division.
I remember seeing the Spanish "Super Estrellas" on TV in 1997..and every time I did, it seemed to featured Latin Lover or Heavy Metal, then some dubbed-over rebroadcast matches from RAW or Shotgun Saturday Night.

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Those Lucha matches from the Royal rumble were terrible 
The problem for the WWF was that WCW already had the luchadors that could make an impact and the WWF was left with a bunch of old dudes and young guys nobody cared about. In that time and space I don’t know that the American public wanted to support a non English speaking heavyweight contender or champion. The cruisers could be kept separate and more of a special attraction.

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BItterOldMan wrote: Baron Von Rasche had a short run in the WWF as the originally manager of the Powers of Pain
I remember that one quite well, even though it was pretty brief.

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The Lucha match at RR97 was terrible.

Cibernetico and Pierroth were in the 97 rumble just so Mil would have a couple bodies to toss over the ropes before he could eliminate himself, ensuring nobody could claim they tossed him from the match.

Dragon Kid getting a pinfall victory over Eddie Guerrero in WCW

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WWF did a deal with AAA in some lame attempt to counter WCW's cruiserweights. There were two huge problems, though. The main one was that VKM doesn't like the style, and the second was that Konnan had already got the best ones aligned with WCW. Everyone WWF got was either old, shit, or both. Apart from Hector Garza, who ended up in WCW later. They did get El Hijo del Santo later when they started the SuperAstros show, but that's another "thing that actually happened that no one remembers". The main reason for having so many lucahdors at that RR (they could have beefed up their roster from anywhere) was to try to fill the AstroDome, which even at $10 for the cheap seats, they were struggling to do.

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Terry Funk's promo on Mick Foley for WWECW, which was only ever shown on ECW.com in 2006. If you listen to the Brian & Vinny show at the Wrestling Observer site, it was (still is?) somewhat of an audio meme there, but it appears that the video clip (an even a full audio) are lost to the ether.

It was fantastic:

"Why, Mick? Why?

You could've been the People's Champion. You could've been somebody. You could've been special.

Everybody loved ya, Mick. But ya sold out. And now you're in the lion's den... Surrounded by the bones of ECW and its wrestler's and their broken hearts and broken dreams, Mick.

Funny thing about it, Mick. You're not the lion. You're not the jackal. You're not the wild dog gnawing on the bones. What you are is fresh meat.

Fresh meat for the real lion. Fresh meat for the real evil bastard, Vince McMahon. And he's gonna chew you up and spit you out on the highway to hell.

And you know what, Mick? I'm gonna be there on the side of the road waitin' on the stand. I'm not talkin' about the lemonade stand, I'm talkin' about the last stand. And I'm gonna put my arm around yer neck, and I'm gonna put my hand around your throat. And I'm gonna choke you Mick. And I'm gonna choke you and I'm gonna choke you until your eyeballs pop outta your head like two boiled eggs on springs. And I'm gonna pound on you and pound on you 'til your brains turn to marshmallows.

Now I wanna know one thing, Mick. What's your entree? Brains? Marshmallows? Hard boiled eggs? what?

Oh, and by the way, Mick... Don't ever call me Dad again. And I won't call you son. I'll come up with something appropriate... like um... like Satchel Ass.

My daddy always told me don't ever trust a man whose ass is wider than his shoulders and that seems to fit you, Foley...

SATCHEL ASS!
SATCHEL ASS!
SATCHEL ASS!"

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Kriss wrote: They did get El Hijo del Santo later when they started the SuperAstros show, but that's another "thing that actually happened that no one remembers".
Super Astros is a good one.  That show couldn't have lasted longer than 3 months I don't think.  I enjoyed it but can't really remember anyone on it at all, but there were definitely some guys who never appeared on WWE TV before or since in any other setting, so it was interesting.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: They did get El Hijo del Santo later when they started the SuperAstros show, but that's another "thing that actually happened that no one remembers".
Super Astros is a good one.  That show couldn't have lasted longer than 3 months I don't think.  I enjoyed it but can't really remember anyone on it at all, but there were definitely some guys who never appeared on WWE TV before or since in any other setting, so it was interesting.


November 1998 to April 1999. They filled out the shows with the guys from Los Boricuas and Kaientai, along with Papi Chulo, but there were some "brand-exclusive" wrestlers such as El Hijo del Santo, Negro Casas and Apolo Dantes.

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There was El Merenguero, who I think was one of the Boricuas under a mask.

The odd thing is WWF had the light-heavy title still under its purview and with Gillberg, but not showing it at all. They could have jobbed it to a luchadore and made it a centrepiece for that show.

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kargol wrote: There was El Merenguero, who I think was one of the Boricuas under a mask.

The odd thing is WWF had the light-heavy title still under its purview and with Gillberg, but not showing it at all. They could have jobbed it to a luchadore and made it a centrepiece for that show.


Gillberg kept the title belt, even though he wasn't under contract, and defended it at indies in the Northeast for a year. When he did come back to lose the title it was to Essa Rios, who as Papi Chulo was a regular on SuperAstros.

Has anyone done any kind of shoot interview about SuperAstros? I'd love to hear it. I bet most fans were confused when they had to watch an hour of lucha before a Raw taping.

El Merenguero was Jesus Castillo Jr.

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Castillo didn't wear a mask for the gimmick, at least not for long if he did at all.

Super Astros was a big mess. Culturally Mexicans and Puerto Ricans have little in common apart from speaking Spanish and the style of pro wrestling was very different. Trying to make a show out of that was a challenge to begin with and was made worse by taping it at Raw in front of fans there to see Steve Austin and DX rather than a bunch of guys few to any of them knew or recognized. Had they done a standalone taping on a monthly basis, it might have turned out better since there might have been a crowd that cared. Then again, another of the challenges was Spanish speaking fans in North America wanted the "real" WWF with Rock, Undertaker, and Foley, not luchadors and WWC vets.

Along these lines, WCW had a pilot taping on January 27, 1999 in Waco, TX for Festival de Lucha. It was meant to be an lucha libre WCW show. It had WCW's luchadors (Konnan, Rey, Juvi, Psychosis, La Parka, Silver King, the Villanos, and so on), some luchadors up from Mexico that weren't in WCW (Salsero, Piloto Suicida, Felino, etc.), some WCW guys who could fit in with the lucha libre style and/or who had previously worked in Mexico (Chris Jericho, Lenny Lane, Disco Inferno, Norman Smiley, Blitzkrieg, Johnny Swinger), and some indies (Fidel/David Sierra, Ricky Santana, etc.). The show only drew about 2,500 in an arena that held 10,000. The proposed series never got made and the pilot was never shown as far as I can recall although the WWE must have the tape and might put it out there someday on the network.

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khawk wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: Baron Von Rasche had a short run in the WWF as the originally manager of the Powers of Pain
I remember that one quite well, even though it was pretty brief.

Also remembered the Baron.

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Ken Shamrock was NWA champion.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ken Shamrock was NWA champion.

Made much more sense than Sabu being NWA champion.

If you want something that no one remembers, name the English NWA champion from the late 1990s without looking it up.

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Kriss wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ken Shamrock was NWA champion.

Made much more sense than Sabu being NWA champion.

If you want something that no one remembers, name the English NWA champion from the late 1990s without looking it up.

Gary Steele?  Didn't look it up, might be wrong, but that is strongly ringing a bell.

Anyone from England had to be better than Mike Rapada.

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Gary Steele was my first thought. I saw his name a lot in the apter mags

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Kriss wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ken Shamrock was NWA champion.

Made much more sense than Sabu being NWA champion.

If you want something that no one remembers, name the English NWA champion from the late 1990s without looking it up.

Gary Steele, and he won it in a triple threat from Naoya Ogawa.  Had it for a week.  It's probably so obscure though that it becomes memorable for its obscurity.   Like everyone forgets that bisexual chap who was US champ.  No. 2 title in the biggest promotion but I'm damned if I can recall his name.

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John Tolos as The Coach also managed the Beverly Brothers. After Mr. Perfect blew out his back and spent the next year plus on the sidelines, the Beverly Brothers got The Genius as a new manager and Tolos was quietly fired.

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kargol wrote: Kriss wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ken Shamrock was NWA champion.

Made much more sense than Sabu being NWA champion.

If you want something that no one remembers, name the English NWA champion from the late 1990s without looking it up.

Gary Steele, and he won it in a triple threat from Naoya Ogawa.  Had it for a week.  It's probably so obscure though that it becomes memorable for its obscurity.   Like everyone forgets that bisexual chap who was US champ.  No. 2 title in the biggest promotion but I'm damned if I can recall his name.

One man gang?

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Just remembered. Orlando Jordan.

Perhaps Vince will claim he's Jason's half-brother.

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kargol wrote: Just remembered. Orlando Jordan.

Perhaps Vince will claim he's Jason's half-brother.

He also had a cup of coffee in TNA doing the bi gimmick, where he had a hot chick and dude both serving as his valet. I can’t remember if it was WWE or TNA, but he lost one of his jobs when he was caught on the road traveling with a teenage boy. I really would love to know how he and JBL got along behind the scenes. The Bashams were in that group too, The Cabinet, one of the least memorable in WWE history. 

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I'm under the impression that JBL and Orlando Jordan got along fine. I remember a photo circa 2005 or so of the Bradshaw's clique out drinking turning up online and Jordan was right there with other people you'd expect like Ron Simmons and Bob Holly. JBL has always seemed like a conservative on matters of the economy and foreign policy, but socially liberal. Jordan is known as bisexual but can't be the only non straight person JBL regularly interacted with in his WWE and non WWE wrestling days. His main concerns seem to be that guys paid dues, were tough, and followed the unwritten code of the professional wrestling backstage area. People's individual failures to adhere to those standards led to the bullying that has rightfully earned JBL a lot of scorn although I'd bet he considered it part of making guys pay their dues or pay for various infractions and if people got in line and/or stood up to him, he'd have gladly backed down.

Regarding the Cabinet, they ran into Evolution for a backstage segment at the 2005 Royal Rumble. Hunter, Flair, Orton, and Batista totally made JBL, Orlando, and the Bashams come off looking like minor leaguers. In less than a year Smackdown had gone from being on par with Raw to a total B show, something this meeting summed up when you compared the two heel factions.

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Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regsk as a short lived tag team in the NWA in the summer of 86.


Butch Reed in the AWA as Garvin’s bodyguard in 1985.

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Rick Steamboat wrestled in WCCW

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Steamboat wrestled in WCCW
One shot on one of the Parade cards, right?

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Blazer wrote: Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regsk as a short lived tag team in the NWA in the summer of 86.


This one I do not remember.

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khawk wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Rick Steamboat wrestled in WCCW
One shot on one of the Parade cards, right?

Yes, on loan from the WWF.  Sadly, they did nothing to promote him and he meant nothing in Texas, so that went over like a fart in church.

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khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regsk as a short lived tag team in the NWA in the summer of 86.


This one I do not remember.

Totally remember Garvin and Regal in the AWA, but in the NWA I only saw Steve Regal once on the Superstation and he didn't wrestle in a team.  It was the only time I remember seeing him.  So if they did reunite, it was REALLY short lived because I don't think Regal was there very long.

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tamalie wrote: Along these lines, WCW had a pilot taping on January 27, 1999 in Waco, TX for Festival de Lucha. It was meant to be an lucha libre WCW show. It had WCW's luchadors (Konnan, Rey, Juvi, Psychosis, La Parka, Silver King, the Villanos, and so on), some luchadors up from Mexico that weren't in WCW (Salsero, Piloto Suicida, Felino, etc.), some WCW guys who could fit in with the lucha libre style and/or who had previously worked in Mexico (Chris Jericho, Lenny Lane, Disco Inferno, Norman Smiley, Blitzkrieg, Johnny Swinger), and some indies (Fidel/David Sierra, Ricky Santana, etc.). The show only drew about 2,500 in an arena that held 10,000. The proposed series never got made and the pilot was never shown as far as I can recall although the WWE must have the tape and might put it out there someday on the network.
There is a match from this taping on WWE Network in the Hidden Gems section. It pits Konnan, Rey Mysterio Jr., Silver King, and Hector Garza against Chris Jericho, Lenny Lane, Norman Smiley, and Johnny Swinger with Fit Finlay seconding the latter team. It's not long and isn't that good. The rudos seemed mostly intent on cheap heat while the tecnicos didn't unleash the highflying moves as much as they could or should have.
 
The production values are fairly typical of a WCW broadcast for the era with Festival de Lucha branding on the mat and so on at the expense of WCW markings. There is also an entry set that has a Mexican theme. There are no announcers calling the match. That would have been added in post production that never occurred after it was decided that the project would not go forward.
 
Between seat kills for the entry set, not using the full arena by moving seats to one end rather than at what would be midcourt for basketball, and putting fans opposite the hard camera, the crowd looks good on TV and I'd venture is closer to 4,000 than the announced 2,500.

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Gorilla Monsoon referring to Carlos Colon as a youngster when Colon was in the Royal Rumble

Chris Jericho calling the Rock "The Rock" instead of just Rock "Let me ask you a question, The Rock."

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Kurt Angle talking to Justin Credible:

"Justin Credible. Just...incredible. Hey, your name sounds like Just Incredible!"

And to the Undertaker:

"Mr Undertaker, if that's your real name..."

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There was this one thing that happened many years back. I know it, but I can't remember it.

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Ole Anderson started wrestling as "Rock" Rogowski in the mid 60's and his nickname was unofficially "The Rock" for years.

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Ole Anderson drifted away from JCP in May of 1987 as his feud with the Four Horsemen ran its course (this is when he teamed with Tim Horner for a couple of weeks) bar a July 11, 1987 card in Greensboro when the promotion had a multicard night and needed extra guys. Out of nowhere, Ole ran in to save the newly babyface turned Lex Luger from the Horsemen at the 12/25/87 Omni show. JCP went right back to the Omni on 1/1/88 with Ole and Lex vs. Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson. The same two teams met at the 1/31/88 Omni card. They met again on 2/14/88 in a cage match at the Omni. Then on 2/28/88 it was Ole, Luger, and Dusty Rhodes vs. Ric Flair, Tully, and Arn at the Omni. During February and March they took Ole and partners vs. combinations of Four Horsemen members to a few JCP core towns. Ole made a WTBS studio appearance or two to cut promos for the Omni cards. He didn't wrestle in squashes and didn't work the syndicated tapings. It was really just a local Atlanta thing that got some national exposure via the Superstation. It was largely forgotten or unnoticed at the time.

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I feel these are fairly well-known amongst smarks, but:

-Sivi Afi as "High Chief Afi", the third Islander in 1988

-Jos LeDuc as "The Headbanger" in the WWF around the same time. In the States, I think he only wrestled on Prime Time, where the graphics listed him as "Butcher LeDuc". He was also at King Haku's TV coronation on the syndicated weeklies, with no acknowledgment of who he was by the commentators.

-Marc Mero wrestled as "Johnny B. Badd", with the confetti gun and everything for TNA, circa 2004. TNA did a LOT of these one-time appearances, but this one always struck me as especially weird.

-Shotgun Saturday Night taking place in New York City's Penn Station in 1997.

-"Adorable" Adrian Adonis standing up on TNT and saying: "yes, I AM GAY"...then getting a chorus of boo's from the audience. Aside from the reaction, I bring it up because most folks forgot/didn't know that Adonis' character actually proclaimed that he was, in fact, "gay".

-Dusty Rhodes turning and joining the nWo in 1998.

-Kevin Von Erich getting to slap the CLAW on Rob Conway on Monday Night RAW, sometime in 2005-2006.

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Terry Daniels got a world tag-team title shot in July 1984 against Adonis and Murdoch. Slaughter was his teammate. And the match was absolutely great. Just watched it last night. Total hidden gem. Daniels was great playing the super talented underdog.

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Blazer wrote: Terry Daniels got a world tag-team title shot in July 1984 against Adonis and Murdoch. Slaughter was his teammate. And the match was absolutely great. Just watched it last night. Total hidden gem. Daniels was great playing the super talented underdog.
Murdoch and especially Adonis were great bumping for underdogs too. I didn’t see the match but I tend to think they deserve credit for trying to get Daniels over. Where do I find the match?

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Terry Daniels got a world tag-team title shot in July 1984 against Adonis and Murdoch. Slaughter was his teammate. And the match was absolutely great. Just watched it last night. Total hidden gem. Daniels was great playing the super talented underdog.
Murdoch and especially Adonis were great bumping for underdogs too. I didn’t see the match but I tend to think they deserve credit for trying to get Daniels over. Where do I find the match?

I got it from our dvd guy here.  It's the July 23, 1984 MSG card with Moolah losing the title to Wendy Richter.  It might be on Daily Motion or Youtube too.
Daniels keeps going back to this armdrag takedown on Adonis and Murdoch, and the crowd is eating it up.  At one point he almost pinned Adonis with a cross-body (2 and 9/10ths count) and Gorilla says, "no, no, he didn't get him".
Adonis backbody drops Daniels at one point, and Terry does a complete 360 and lands on his feet, kinda stumbles into the ropes but then comes back and sneaks up behind Adonis, and as Adonis turns around, another deep arm drag takedown.  Crowd goes batshit.
It's a great match.

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I was going through some Prime Times on the Network, and on one from Dec. 1987 Craig DeGeorge interviews the tag team of Junkyard Dog and Koko B. Ware.

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The WCW World Tag Team Title tournament in early 1999 was a double elimination tournament. That's the only instance of a double elimination tournament that I know of in wrestling.

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WCW having a Women's Cruiserweight championship.

Eddie Guerrero wrestling for WCW in 1989.

Kendall Windham and Butch Reed kinda sorta being Horsemen. 

Brian Adams was the original KISS Demon before Jeff Torborg.

Bruce Prichard's short lived Reo Rogers character in the WWF.

Kerry Von Erich, Davey Boy Smith, and Jim Neidhart wrestling in very early ECW. And for that matter, Neidhart in WCW in the early 90s.

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DJP wrote: WCW having a Women's Cruiserweight championship.


If you watched every WCW TV show every week, but only that, and didn't read newsletters or the internet, you would have seen the semi-finals of the tournament, but would never have found out who won, since the final was a dark match.

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DJP wrote: Kerry Von Erich, Davey Boy Smith, and Jim Neidhart wrestling in very early ECW. And for that matter, Neidhart in WCW in the early 90s.

There was an ECW TV show before the one that is on the WWE Network. If you look at the history of the ECW TV title, it goes back to before Snuka won it. The opening credits of the very early shows on the Network use clips from those shows, including Neidhart, who doesn't appear on any of the shows on the Network.

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Eric Bischoff and/or Tony Schiavone have caught a lot of shit over the years for giving away that Mick Foley was going to win the WWF title and that somehow contributed to the downfall of Nitro and WCW as a whole, but a lot of people have forgotten that the WWF actually spoiled it themselves on their own website right after the taping occurred because they wanted people to tune in and see the title change.

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That’s interesting I wasnt aware of the WWF doing that

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Superstar wrote: broke wrote: Harley Race making a brief appearance in the AWA during it's dying days.
I actually remember this well because he was presented as a legit threat to win the AWA belt.  And I also remember thinking that putting the strap on Harley may have gotten the AWA some footing, especially if he went to Japan to put over Saito or somebody else on a tour.  But of course, he was like so many other big names that went through the AWA at that time, he was in for a taping and gone.

Larry Zbyszko vs. Harley Race has repeatedly appeared on ESPN On Demand as part of old AWA matches they show.

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Before seeing him in the WWF I remember initially seeing Fowler as the host of a program called Knights and Warriors, which was an American Gladiators type of competiton show IIRC.

The Undertaker was temporarily billed as Kane or Kane the Undertaker when he first arrived, which of course we later found out was the name of his brother. I wonder if that was designed to be some kind of an inside joke or rib that he possibly assumed his brother's identity for those that remembered he was initially called that.

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Recently found out something curious about Dusty Rhodes and his return to WCW after the WWF.

In January 1991, he was still on WWF TV, albeit in a reduced role. They were hyping up his tag team match with Dustin against DiBiase and Virgil in all the update segments (although most of the focus turned to Virgil).

The Royal Rumble was on a Saturday night-- January 19, 1991. That same day, on WCW shows, they heavily hyped "the return of the American Dream" for the next week; including footage of Big Dust. So in the same day, one guy appeared on telecasts for both WWF and WCW.

I think Dusty even appeared on a WCW syndicated show, on the 21st or 22nd. I remember catching it, on something like "Prime Sports" and thought: "well, that was quick. Dusty's back home".

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Just because it's so odd to see him anywhere but the south, Jimmy Golden was a regular in the San Francisco territory for a while in 1977.

Buddy Landell came to the AWA in the fall of 1987 for a Las Vegas taping, but quit before ever hitting the circuit.

When New Day debuted in the summer of 2014, they were doing a heel, Black Power gimmick with Xavier Woods as the mouthpiece and portrayed as an intellectual. The situation in Ferguson, MO erupted only two and a half weeks after the gimmick began. The WWE immediately pulled them off TV with no further mention. They came back in November doing a positive babyface gimmick with a gospel theme. The fans rejected this gimmick, leading them to become dork heels who thought the fans loved them to eventually sarcastic, comedy babyfaces who got over due to absurd antics.

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I remember when I first saw Kevin Nash in the WWF as Shawn's bodyguard, that same weekend he was still on WCW Worldwide as Vinnie Vegas.

Buddy Roberts briefly returning with the Freebirds at a Clash of the Champions in 1990. Precious also reappeared with them in 1992.

Ivan Koloff taking Rick Rude's place as Manny Fernandez's  World tag team championship partner before they decided to just do a phantom title switch by airing footage from a several month old match of the Rock 'N Rolls beating Rude and Fernandez.

Vader as a babyface in WCW circa 1990-91.

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Kriss wrote: DJP wrote: WCW having a Women's Cruiserweight championship.


If you watched every WCW TV show every week, but only that, and didn't read newsletters or the internet, you would have seen the semi-finals of the tournament, but would never have found out who won, since the final was a dark match.

The final actually did air in the US on the 4/19/97 TBS episode of WCW Main Event. The 4/12/97 episode also featured another tiurnament match between Malia Hosaka and Sonoko Kato.

The 1992-93 episodes of ECW originated mostly from tapings at the Original Sports Bar in Philadelphia and aired on a small low-powered cable station in the area. One of the last episodes was used as the pilot sold to Sportschannel Philadelphia in 1993 and not long afterward Glen Osbourne was stripped of the TV title belt which led to the tournament that aired in the first few episodes of what became Hardcore TV.

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Lou Thesz coming into WCW in 1991 to teach Erik Watts the STF.

John Nord getting a brief undefeated streak going on a bunch of WCW c-shows in 1998

Greg Valentine was still in WCW as late as 1998

Robert Gibson did a one shot for WCW in 2000 during the Jim Duggan TV title angle

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broke wrote: Lou Thesz coming into WCW in 1991 to teach Erik Watts the STF.

What the hell did STF stand for?

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: broke wrote: Lou Thesz coming into WCW in 1991 to teach Erik Watts the STF.

What the hell did STF stand for?

Step-over-toehold facelock.  Rolls right off the tongue.

But I have no recollection of Thesz coming in to teach Watts, I thought that was Chono. 

And when is someone going to teach it to Cena?

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I could swear Thesz made a cameo appearance around that time.  Perhaps not.

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Franchise wrote: That’s interesting I wasnt aware of the WWF doing that
I remember specifically because they named Shane McMahon (President of WWF New Media) who made the call to share the spoiler. 

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broke wrote: John Nord getting a brief undefeated streak going on a bunch of WCW c-shows in 1998

WCW started a few guys on winning streaks in 1998. Wrath, Scott Norton and Mike Enos off the top of my head, but there were probably more. They weren't counting the wins, but they did make a point to mention on commentary that these guys were on winning streaks. It was either lazy booking because Goldberg had been so successful, or the idea was for Goldberg to end all their streaks. After Goldberg won the world title, this seemed to end, since, as something only WCW could have done, Goldberg's push ended when he won the title, and pretty much all his matches were clusterfucks until he lost the title.

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Early ECW had a Pennsylvania and Maryland championship.

When Paul Wight first joined the WWF he was temporarily nicknamed the Big Nasty. 

"Real American" was first used by Mike Rotundo and Barry Windham.

Randy Culley was the original Smash In Demolition and Johnny V was their original manager.

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DJP wrote: Real American" was first used by Mike Rotundo and Barry Windham.

Randy Culley was the original Smash In Demolition and Johnny V was their original manager.


EVERYONE knows these.

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Kriss wrote: DJP wrote: Real American" was first used by Mike Rotundo and Barry Windham.

Randy Culley was the original Smash In Demolition and Johnny V was their original manager.


EVERYONE knows these.

OK then.

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Cpl. Kirchner was originally spelled Kirschner and the vignette of him swimming with a knife in his teeth ended with him introducing himself and spelling his name. The video was later edited, removing the "S".

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Towards the end of his run as the Texas Tornado, Kerry von Erich was referred to on WWF programming as Kerry von Erich. It was as if they were going more "real" and trying to drop the Tornado persona.

The team of Steve Lombardi and Barry Horowitz once got a televised win. Against Lanny Poffo and Scott Casey.

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The Great Muta was billed as "Mota" when he first arrived in WCW

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DJP wrote: The Great Muta was billed as "Mota" when he first arrived in WCW
Was he originally from the Dominican and related to manny? 

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Franchise wrote: DJP wrote: The Great Muta was billed as "Mota" when he first arrived in WCW
Was he originally from the Dominican and related to manny? 

I do remember that Gary Hart did bill him as Great Kabuki’s son since Hart managed Kabuki in WCCW for so many years. I’m not sure if any WCW fans at the time cared though. 

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After Ed Wiskoski had established the Mega Maharishi cult character in Portland Wrestling in 1985, based on the regional movement and the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, someone in Memphis decided they should copy it. I forget who portrayed Memphis Maharishi but it didn't last...like most Memphophenalia.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: DJP wrote: The Great Muta was billed as "Mota" when he first arrived in WCW
Was he originally from the Dominican and related to manny? 

I do remember that Gary Hart did bill him as Great Kabuki’s son since Hart managed Kabuki in WCCW for so many years. I’m not sure if any WCW fans at the time cared though. 

I always liked that aspect.  The story was that Kabuki was swindled into signing the rights to his first born son's career over to Hart.

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kargol wrote:

The team of Steve Lombardi and Barry Horowitz once got a televised win. Against Lanny Poffo and Scott Casey.

Good Lord!  I really liked Poffo & Casey prior to joining the WWF.  At that point they must have realized they were never getting a push as wrestlers.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: kargol wrote:

The team of Steve Lombardi and Barry Horowitz once got a televised win. Against Lanny Poffo and Scott Casey.

Good Lord!  I really liked Poffo & Casey prior to joining the WWF.  At that point they must have realized they were never getting a push as wrestlers.


Amazing that they used 7 and a half minutes of TV time for a match with four jobbers.


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Kriss wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: kargol wrote:

The team of Steve Lombardi and Barry Horowitz once got a televised win. Against Lanny Poffo and Scott Casey.

Good Lord!  I really liked Poffo & Casey prior to joining the WWF.  At that point they must have realized they were never getting a push as wrestlers.


Amazing that they used 7 and a half minutes of TV time for a match with four jobbers.



It was Prime Time Wrestling...You had a lot of matches like that. They had 2 hours to kill.  

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If it was a prime time exclusive I’m not surprised but if it aired on superstars or challenge I would be. I love watching prime time but it had a lot of bad matches.

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Franchise wrote: If it was a prime time exclusive I’m not surprised but if it aired on superstars or challenge I would be. I love watching prime time but it had a lot of bad matches.
Looking on HistoryofWWE.com it just aired on Prime Time. 

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For a time, WCW Saturday Night actually had a weekly "Battle of the Jobbers" match (they obviously called it something different, but it had a real name to indicate it was 2 scrubs who never win facing each other).  Joey Maggs and others like him picked up some wins here. 

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I think it was battle of the underdogs, I believe this was during the watts era

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It made sense though to do that. Someone comes into WWF and beats Horowitz or Lombardi in their first match. So what? Everyone beats Horowitz or Lombardi.

But if they showed a few matches with Horowitz or Lombardi beating some genuine squashee, names like Jerry Seavey or Barry Houston, then beating them would mean a little more. It shows that the good jobbers are not just random blokes brought in off the street.

Talking of Horowitz, leading up to his win over Chris Candido, there was a run of matches where he was looking closer and closer to winning. That peaked on Raw with a terrific match with Jeff Jarrett, who had the IC title. The match was a non-title match and WWF made a thing that Horowitz came so close to winning that Jarrett should give him a title match.

Reluctantly Jarrett signed a contract for one, but before Horowitz could sign it, Backlund put him in the chicken wing, and signed instead.

And that seemed to be it. If they ever had a match, it was a one-off, but it looked like a more substantial angle that never went anywhere.

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Not sure if these were mentioned yet but Tully's appearance in ECW. Also, Steve Austin had a brief run in ECW where he was clearly transitioning into the Stone Cold character. Dropped a cool promo on Ric Flair.

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Also Terry Gordy made a stop in ECW around '96 or '97

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I think it was Brian Lee that close lined Gordy when he was running the ropes in his warm up jacket before the match and rag dolled him.

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Dr Death as well with a short time in ECW.

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WongLee wrote: Also Terry Gordy made a stop in ECW around '96 or '97
Stppped by long enough for the Battle of the Bam Bams against Bigelow. Might have also gotten a title shot against Raven unless I imagined that. He was a shell of his former self at this point though and had almost completely lost the ability to speak coherently. 

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That Jerry Allen/Oske got a win over Rick Rude in the WWF when Rude forgot to kick out.

WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Meadowlands - July 9, 1987 (5,469)
SD Jones defeated Steve Lombardi
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Scott Casey defeated Iron Mike Sharpe
Killer Khan pinned Brady Boone (sub. for Sivi Afi)
Koko B. Ware pinned Nikolai Volkoff
Don Muraco fought Bob Orton Jr. to a draw
Jim Brunzell & the Junkyard Dog (sub. for B. Brian Blair) defeated Kamala & Sika
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Around Halloween 97 I believe Douglas and Candido tagged and dressed up like their WWF personas on a house show. I have it on a fan cam show somewhere. It wasn’t a great match but it was funny to see.

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I just watched a nitro from July of 96 and they played a video hyping the new 4 man group of Powers, Wright, Gomez and renegade without face paint. All walking down a beach separately taking their shirts off and then all together. They worked together that night against the dungeon (Sullivan, Morrus, barbarian and the leprechaun. Most of the match wasn’t shown because hall and Nash were taking over the backstage control booth.

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Speaking of Scott Hall. He had a WWF Dark Match in early 1990 losing to Paul Roma, over 2 years prior to his arrival as Razor Ramon.

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Didn’t Hall make some appearances in ECW?

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A couple of matches in Nov 2000 in upstate NY

11.11.2000 Sal E. Graziano defeats Scott HallECW - House Show @ Mid-Hudson Civic Center in Poughkeepsie, New York, USA211.11.2000 Scott Hall defeats Justin CredibleECW - House Show @ Mid-Hudson Civic Center in Poughkeepsie, New York, USA310.11.2000 Jerry Lynn & Scott Hall defeat Justin Credible & RhinoECW - House Show @ Schenectady, New York, USA

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Franchise wrote: I just watched a nitro from July of 96 and they played a video hyping the new 4 man group of Powers, Wright, Gomez and renegade without face paint. All walking down a beach separately taking their shirts off and then all together. They worked together that night against the dungeon (Sullivan, Morrus, barbarian and the leprechaun. Most of the match wasn’t shown because hall and Nash were taking over the backstage control booth.
Another reason why Hall and Nash were seen as babyfaces by most WCW fans.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Also Terry Gordy made a stop in ECW around '96 or '97
Stppped by long enough for the Battle of the Bam Bams against Bigelow. Might have also gotten a title shot against Raven unless I imagined that. He was a shell of his former self at this point though and had almost completely lost the ability to speak coherently. 

First Match in ECW was against Raven for the title...In fact I think Doc's first Match was against Raven for the title also. 

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On WWF Wrestling Challenge, circa May 1989, the Rockers came to the ring for a match with the Rougeaus... with a recording of them SINGING along to their usual entrance music.

"Ooo-weee, the Rockers" was the chorus. I don't know if a full recording of it ever surfaced.

The Rougeaus were basking in the glory of their new "All-American Boys" song and called the Rockers copycats for trying to sing their own song. Them's grounds for a feud!

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Scott Hall being dubbed "magnum" Scott Hall by James Blears in the AWA

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MadFrogVachon wrote: Scott Hall being dubbed "magnum" Scott Hall by James Blears in the AWA
I remember that one pretty well.  The Magnum P.I. resemblance was hard not to notice back then.

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nyhack56 wrote: Hulk Hogan wearing a fist helmet.
I've never seen his porno.

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ECW had one jobber pretending to be two twins (they never teamed) at TV tapings in early 1994. Most results sites don't list the two names separately, but Styles always mentioned that they were twins and the guy had different gear for his different names. If I remember right, the names used were Keith and Kyle Shearer (or Scherer?).

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Kriss wrote: ECW had one jobber pretending to be two twins (they never teamed) at TV tapings in early 1994. Most results sites don't list the two names separately, but Styles always mentioned that they were twins and the guy had different gear for his different names. If I remember right, the names used were Keith and Kyle Shearer (or Scherer?).
I seriously didn't realize that these guys weren't twins until right now.  Not that I saw more than 2 or 3 of his/their matches.

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Two of Mikey Whipwreck's first three (and three of his first six) WCW matches were PPV matches, although he wasn't advertised for any.

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Kriss wrote: Two of Mikey Whipwreck's first three (and three of his first six) WCW matches were PPV matches, although he wasn't advertised for any.
Mikey Whipwreck being in WCW at all is one of those things that might apply to this category.  Same with Stevie Richards and 911 and so many others.  You just assume that everyone came through WCW because their roster was so ridiculously large, but no one was being used right.

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Stevie Richards was in WCW for about three months in 1997 from mid July into early October. I recall at the time that Richards suffered a bad neck injury late in his initial ECW run that ended right before he came here. The story I'd heard, and its validity is in question, is that he worked week to week while in WCW, but couldn't pass the medical exam in order to sign his contract despite several attempts. WCW wound up dropping him as a result, leading to Richards briefly returning to ECW in late 1997 and then taking time off for a good part of 1998 to get his neck fixed before going to the WWF in 1999.

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The Undertaker was WWE Hardcore Champion for two months in 2001-2.

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When Adrian Adonis "came out" it was on Piper's Pit about 6-7 months before their feud. He retired his leather jacket and gifted it to Piper.

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nyhack56 wrote: When Adrian Adonis "came out" it was on Piper's Pit about 6-7 months before their feud. He retired his leather jacket and gifted it to Piper.
Is that the same jacket that Rousey got from Piper's kid?

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BItterOldMan wrote: nyhack56 wrote: When Adrian Adonis "came out" it was on Piper's Pit about 6-7 months before their feud. He retired his leather jacket and gifted it to Piper.
Is that the same jacket that Rousey got from Piper's kid?

I remember that segment.  What I can't remember clearly are the details surrounding Adrian's jacket.  Not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but it seems to me Adrian's jacket had a Yankees logo on the back.

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Boz1515 wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: nyhack56 wrote: When Adrian Adonis "came out" it was on Piper's Pit about 6-7 months before their feud. He retired his leather jacket and gifted it to Piper.
Is that the same jacket that Rousey got from Piper's kid?

I remember that segment.  What I can't remember clearly are the details surrounding Adrian's jacket.  Not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but it seems to me Adrian's jacket had a Yankees logo on the back.

Yep it did.  

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That's definitely not the jacket.

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One thing that happened recently and I totally don't remember it - Kalisto was US Champion. For three months.

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kargol wrote: One thing that happened recently and I totally don't remember it - Kalisto was US Champion. For three months.
I don't even remember Kalisto.

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Blazer wrote: kargol wrote: One thing that happened recently and I totally don't remember it - Kalisto was US Champion. For three months.
I don't even remember Kalisto.


I don't even remember the US title.

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Kriss wrote: Blazer wrote: kargol wrote: One thing that happened recently and I totally don't remember it - Kalisto was US Champion. For three months.
I don't even remember Kalisto.


I don't even remember the US title.

I don't even remember the US.  This is why we need to make it great again.

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Maybe I just don’t remember it but did the Texas tornado KVE ever team with earthquake and typhoon?

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Franchise wrote: Maybe I just don’t remember it but did the Texas tornado KVE ever team with earthquake and typhoon?
I dont think so.

I think he (Kerry , The Modern Day Warrior) teamed with The Ultimate Warrior

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That’s too bad; they could have played up the disastrous effects they could have had on an opposing team.

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tamalie wrote: Stevie Richards was in WCW for about three months in 1997 from mid July into early October. I recall at the time that Richards suffered a bad neck injury late in his initial ECW run that ended right before he came here. The story I'd heard, and its validity is in question, is that he worked week to week while in WCW, but couldn't pass the medical exam in order to sign his contract despite several attempts. WCW wound up dropping him as a result, leading to Richards briefly returning to ECW in late 1997 and then taking time off for a good part of 1998 to get his neck fixed before going to the WWF in 1999.
Me and my buddy went to a WCW house show in Philly and Stevie Richards was there. I think he did something with Raven.

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Johnny Smith was in ECW for a bit, I think on two separate, but short, occasions. This was after Calgary was dead and he was working more or less full time for All Japan as a midcarder. It looked like might stick around, but did not.

Another short term ECW guy was Ben Peacock doing his knockoff Kamala gimmick as Uganda. He is best known as the Botswanna Beast from Dallas in the late 1980s and later was a long running All Japan midcard staple as Giant Kamala II. He was pretty quick and athletic considering his bulk. He came in for a couple of tapings right when ECW got on TNN in the late summer and early fall of 1999, but then didn't come back.

Steve Armstrong and Tracy Smothers, by then the Young Pistols rather than the Southern Boys, turned heel in the fall of 1991. Tracy remained in WCW on his own as a heel in 1992 after Steve quit. They did an interview in which they said they were done following the rules if bending them meant getting ahead, then they complained later about not getting a US Tag Team Title shot at Todd Champion and Firebreaker Chip, and then cheated against them upon getting a chance at the belts.

In the late summer of 1992, Michael Hayes and Jimmy Garvin were split up as the Freebirds. This was not too long after Bill Watts came in and my guess is he saw Hayes as capable of more than being a midcard comedy heel. Hayes was put in a short lived trio called The Best Of The Best with Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton with the idea that they were the three best members of the three best teams of the 1980s; the Freebirds, the Four Horsemen, and the Midnight Express. Hayes played it serious instead of as a clown.

This is somewhat remembered. What is less remembered is that Jimmy Garvin briefly hung around WCW afterward as a low midcard babyface. Garvin soon quit and got a WWF tryout. It never made the air, but he was at an October 1992 taping where it looked like he was going to be positioned as either a heel manager or heel commentator/interviewer rather than as a wrestler. The segment never made the air. Vince's idea was to repackage Garvin under a new name and he didn't feel like starting over, so he retired and became a pilot.

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beejmi wrote: Franchise wrote: Maybe I just don’t remember it but did the Texas tornado KVE ever team with earthquake and typhoon?
I dont think so.

I think he (Kerry , The Modern Day Warrior) teamed with The Ultimate Warrior


Very funny.  Everyone knows the real Ultimate Warrior died and Kerry took his place, but no one could tell because of the make up.

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Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers getting a televised match against eachother in the WWF. Fulton looked old  but it led to Rogers getting a mid card ECW gig and push.

DiBiase working his earliest 87 WWF match as a face, losing to One Man Gang

Brian Christopher and Chris Candido working a WWF match billed as USWA vs. ECW.

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broke wrote: Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers getting a televised match against eachother in the WWF. Fulton looked old  but it led to Rogers getting a mid card ECW gig and push.

Rogers really looked great during that ECW run.  Cosmetically he held up so well and he was putting on good curtain-jerker matches with guys much younger.  His name meant nothing to most fans of the time, but he won them over.  I believe he also innovated the unprettier during this time, which he called the Tommy-kaze or something.  At least he was given credit for it and I legit never saw anyone use it before.  I was surprised he didn't last longer. 

Heyman was so good at giving these old territory guys one last paycheck, like Jack Victory and Tommy Rich.

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Bobby Eaton made a one-off appearance in ECW circa 2000 trading fists with Simon Diamond and CW Anderson. It didn't lead to anything.

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Mentioning Fulton and Rogers reminded me that the Fantastics appeared as a team on Nitro. I want to say it was in 1996-1997. I think they got squashed by the Outsiders.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Mentioning Fulton and Rogers reminded me that the Fantastics appeared as a team on Nitro. I want to say it was in 1996-1997. I think they got squashed by the Outsiders.
I think they made appearances on WCW Saturday night around that time too.  They were being used, but so was everyone else who was breathing.  The roster was ridiculous back then.

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The death of Brian Christopher reminded me of the debut of Too Cool. He and Scott Taylor had been Too Much for several months as an undercard heel tag team, initially just doing a gimmick in which they were very obnoxious and then it morphed into a Gay gimmick that was only ever hinted at although the hints got stronger and stronger before it was abruptly dropped.

The Too Cool gimmick debuted on the 6/8/99 edition of Raw. They changed their names to Grandmaster Sexay and Scotty 2 Hotty. They were also heels who cost the Hardys a match. The announcers mocked their hip hop gimmick and generally made them come off as dork heels. Scotty wound up blowing out his knee at a house show later in the week and Too Cool were off TV until returning on the 10/25/99 edition of Raw. They came back as heels, costing Edge and Christian a match while those two were still babyfaces.

Too Cool then wrestled that team and the Hardys on the road and on TV until the 11/22/99 Raw when they turned babyface. They got attacked by the Mean Street Posse and then saved by Rikishi who danced with them. This was also a babyface turn for Rikishi who had been around for a month as a lower ranking heel. They became one of the hottest babyface acts in the company in less than a month, to the point of feuding with D-X before December was out. That they were going nowhere heels with Tool Cool portrayed as fools and Rikishi being around for the announcers to make ass and fart jokes over his ring gear is largely forgotten given how big they got from late 1999 to late 2000 and a bit beyond.

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tamalie wrote: The death of Brian Christopher reminded me of the debut of Too Cool. He and Scott Taylor had been Too Much for several months as an undercard heel tag team, initially just doing a gimmick in which they were very obnoxious and then it morphed into a Gay gimmick that was only ever hinted at although the hints got stronger and stronger before it was abruptly dropped.

The Too Cool gimmick debuted on the 6/8/99 edition of Raw. They changed their names to Grandmaster Sexay and Scotty 2 Hotty. They were also heels who cost the Hardys a match. The announcers mocked their hip hop gimmick and generally made them come off as dork heels. Scotty wound up blowing out his knee at a house show later in the week and Too Cool were off TV until returning on the 10/25/99 edition of Raw. They came back as heels, costing Edge and Christian a match while those two were still babyfaces.

Too Cool then wrestled that team and the Hardys on the road and on TV until the 11/22/99 Raw when they turned babyface. They got attacked by the Mean Street Posse and then saved by Rikishi who danced with them. This was also a babyface turn for Rikishi who had been around for a month as a lower ranking heel. They became one of the hottest babyface acts in the company in less than a month, to the point of feuding with D-X before December was out. That they were going nowhere heels with Tool Cool portrayed as fools and Rikishi being around for the announcers to make ass and fart jokes over his ring gear is largely forgotten given how big they got from late 1999 to late 2000 and a bit beyond.

I vaguely recall Too Cool being Too Hot at the beginning, but not sure of the timeline. 

Scott Taylor had been a WWF and ECW jobber the year before (there's a forgotten match on ECW TV where Taz just destroys him by dropping him on his head as he often did back then, probably outside of Boston or wherever they were that was local).  It's a stretch to say that Taylor ever had indy cred, but he was a known "good hand" on the New England indy scene and people were rooting for him to get a shot.  That chance came for him with the WWF Light-Heavyweight division when he was put in some of those matches on TV with no fanfare but not being squashed and being a total jobber (although I don't think he necessarily won either).  He seemed to get that spot simply because he was on their radar as a young job guy who could bump and was small.  Christopher was also floating around the Light-Heavyweight division at the same time, but other than Taka Michinoku absolutely none of them had any direction.  As the Light-Heavyweight division completely fizzled, WWE seemed to stick these two together just because they had nothing else for them.  Both abandoned any sense of wrestling talent that they once had (and people forget that they weren't bad in the ring at all), and went the total gimmick route with the dancing, wigger outfits, and of course The Worm.   

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Too Hot was the nickname they saddled Scott Taylor with early on in Too Much. Original plans would be him being the workhorse of the team taking bumps for the bigger wrestlers with Brian being the personality of the team. Overall everything worked out very well for Scotty.

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Yeah, in Too Much it was Brian who was the featured member in the sense that he typically won the fall if they won the match and if they lost it was Taylor who did the job. After they became Too Cool, Scotty got over like crazy with The Worm and he eclipsed Brian pretty quickly just on the basis of that simple spot alone. Purists hated it on one level, but on another it was as safe a spot as can be and was getting bigger pops than ones of that era and others that ruined a lot of pro wrestlers' bodies.

It was interesting as throughout the big Too Cool babyface push, you could see Brian Christopher looking for some sort of quirky gimmick that might get over along the lines of The Worm. He tried a spot in which he did the dance moves from the Michael Jackson "Thriller" video. There was a hip hop fashion trend around the time in which wearing ski goggles as if they were shades was in. So Brian had a spot in which he'd pull his ski goggles down over his eyes before doing his double leg drop off the ropes. However, nothing he did clicked despite his efforts.

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Taka Michinoku was over pretty nicely in the latter part of 1997 and into 1998, but the WWF had no one for him to wrestle. They tried using Brian Christopher as his main rival, but Taka was doing lucha libre style stuff while Christopher was basically a Memphis cheap heat heel. It was all wrong. The Too Much team was a good enough use for Brian Christopher before the Too Cool thing unexpectedly got over and then flew into orbit.

Meanwhile they go and sign Dick Togo, Mens Teioh, and Shoichi Funaki as rivals for Taka only to have him first use Bradshaw as a partner in handicap matches which meant the smaller heels had to bump for him superballs while doing what amounted to midget comedy spots and then Taka turned heel to team with the Kaientai guys. That meant that even though they could and should have had Taka and Funaki as babyfaces tearing down the house with Togo and Teioh as heels in the undercard, they instead teamed together so that no one had good matches.

Then Togo and Teioh went home, Taka and Funaki stayed as comedy undercard guys, and then Taka went home too. Funaki stayed, however. He's a commentator for the WWE in Japanese broadcasts, has a wrestling school in San Antonio where he's lived for nearly 20 years, and I think is now a naturalized American citizen.

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tamalie wrote: Taka Michinoku was over pretty nicely in the latter part of 1997 and into 1998, but the WWF had no one for him to wrestle. They tried using Brian Christopher as his main rival, but Taka was doing lucha libre style stuff while Christopher was basically a Memphis cheap heat heel. It was all wrong. The Too Much team was a good enough use for Brian Christopher before the Too Cool thing unexpectedly got over and then flew into orbit.

Meanwhile they go and sign Dick Togo, Mens Teioh, and Shoichi Funaki as rivals for Taka only to have him first use Bradshaw as a partner in handicap matches which meant the smaller heels had to bump for him superballs while doing what amounted to midget comedy spots and then Taka turned heel to team with the Kaientai guys. That meant that even though they could and should have had Taka and Funaki as babyfaces tearing down the house with Togo and Teioh as heels in the undercard, they instead teamed together so that no one had good matches.

Then Togo and Teioh went home, Taka and Funaki stayed as comedy undercard guys, and then Taka went home too. Funaki stayed, however. He's a commentator for the WWE in Japanese broadcasts, has a wrestling school in San Antonio where he's lived for nearly 20 years, and I think is now a naturalized American citizen.

Vince can do some weird shit sometimes; how can you have a light heavy title if you don’t have anyone worth a shit to fill out the division? I give WCW credit for the way they handled the cruisers. They went all in and signed a ton; probably too many but it was better than not enough. 

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srossi wrote: Christopher was also floating around the Light-Heavyweight division at the same time, but other than Taka Michinoku absolutely none of them had any direction.

The original intent seemed to be to build the division around Scott Putski, and he wrestled Christopher on a PPV before they even had a belt, but he injured himself going outside the ring and he was more or less done.  Christopher won that match by countout but I bet Putski was meant to go over.
Then of course they were going to run the division around Sasuke, but the crowd were more appreciative of Michinoku on (I think) Canadian Stampede, when Sasuke went over but Taka looked fantastic.

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kargol wrote: srossi wrote: Christopher was also floating around the Light-Heavyweight division at the same time, but other than Taka Michinoku absolutely none of them had any direction.

The original intent seemed to be to build the division around Scott Putski, and he wrestled Christopher on a PPV before they even had a belt, but he injured himself going outside the ring and he was more or less done.  Christopher won that match by countout but I bet Putski was meant to go over.
Then of course they were going to run the division around Sasuke, but the crowd were more appreciative of Michinoku on (I think) Canadian Stampede, when Sasuke went over but Taka looked fantastic.

Well Sasuke refused to sign so that was the bigger reason. He would’ve been the centerpiece if he had. But I remember that Putski knee injury well. 

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There was no long term plan for that division. They tried super Astros and that does pretty fast since Konnan got all the good luchadors signed to WCW. Putski bombed out fast, Jerry Lynn I think worked a match for it in 97 but didn't get offered a contract, and what they ended up with was Taka vs. Aguila and Pantera. I think they could have built up a decent division with US indie guys but Vince gave the division a shove, not a push

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I think the issue with Sasuke wasn't that he didn't want to sign, but that he had a big star attitude that alienated Vince and his inner circle enough they decided not to bother and went after Taka who got over better anyway.

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Didn´t Sasuke say he was planning to take the title to Japan?

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squishy wrote: Didn´t Sasuke say he was planning to take the title to Japan?
As a shoot?  I don't remember that.  He might've said it as part of an angle or to get the Japanese press interested in the belt.

Although it's common now with all the different brands, Sasuke was probably the first guy in the post-1983 era of the WWF that landed a featured PPV slot and a push while not under contract.  That was just unheard of back then.  Around the same time some of the lesser Hart brothers came in for Survivor Series and a few other shots just as a backdrop to Owen turning on Bret, but it would be a stretch to say that they were pushed or anything more than props in the story.  Vince just NEVER did anything with guys not under contract until really the NXT era.  

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Scott Putski was the biggest light heavyweight in the world. Roided to the gills. I think they were talking about a 235lb limit at the time (which would be about 1/2 of the roster today), and he looked heavier than that.

Talking about Kaientai, they did manage to get what must be one of VKM's favorite ever matches onto PPV: 4 vs 3 with Kaientai against the Oddities. Circus freak bullshit that wasn't topped until Great Khali vs Hornswoggle.

There's one for you...

Great Khali once faced Hornswoggle in a one on one match.

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Kriss wrote: Scott Putski was the biggest light heavyweight in the world. Roided to the gills. I think they were talking about a 235lb limit at the time (which would be about 1/2 of the roster today), and he looked heavier than that.

It was the same as WCW's Cruiserweight division, and Light-Heavyweight division before that, which was always 235.  If you look at guys like Pillman, they were huge by today's standards.  A main event talent like Seth Rollins is much smaller than some of the cruiserweights from back then.  Jericho started out as a cruiserweight and doesn't look small at all compared to almost anyone today.  The 235 limit was always a bit odd only because Flair were usually billed around 245, meaning that after a big dump he theoretically could've passed for a cruiserweight. 

But when Flair wrestled Misterio on Nitro in a first (and last?) time ever dream match, he looked like The Big Show.  The clash of styles back then is something you don't see anymore, but when Misterio hit a hurricanrana on Flair off the top rope it was a legit "WTF?!" moment, a bump you just never thought you'd see.  Now everyone does everything in every match.  Unless you lived through it, you don't understand how crazy it was to see certain guys wrestle a cruiserweight, or other guys wrestle a hardcore guy.  People fit in different boxes back then, and WCW started mashing them all together in the mid-'90s and it was a little mind-blowing. 

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And speaking of Scott Putski and Brian Christopher. There was a father and son tag team match on Raw which meant nothing to me when I first saw it because I knew nothing about Ivan Putski at the time.

This was all the more strange to me because Lawler was always denying that Brian Christopher was his son at the time. I wonder if that's what happened when he needed bail money.

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Great Sasuke vs Taka Michinoku was really interesting, as they had a PPV rematch directly the next day on RAW and you could feel that they switched the focus from Sasuke to Taka in those 24 hours. I don't think I've seen either match since 1997, but it was apparent to me as a 13 year old at least.

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When Larry Zbyszko was color commentator for WCW, he started a gimmick where he would open the show by taking off his headset and taking a bow for the crowd, and for a while this would garner some pretty decent "Larry, Larry" chants. When Larry started working exclusively on Thunder, the commentary wasn't live (or at least not for taped episodes which were recorded before a Nitro episodes, but aired after). The intro was clearly recorded in front of a green screen, with the crowd superimposed, but Larry was still taking his bow, and Tenay would mention the Larry chants, even though there weren't any.

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Kriss wrote: When Larry Zbyszko was color commentator for WCW, he started a gimmick where he would open the show by taking off his headset and taking a bow for the crowd, and for a while this would garner some pretty decent "Larry, Larry" chants. When Larry started working exclusively on Thunder, the commentary wasn't live (or at least not for taped episodes which were recorded before a Nitro episodes, but aired after). The intro was clearly recorded in front of a green screen, with the crowd superimposed, but Larry was still taking his bow, and Tenay would mention the Larry chants, even though there weren't any.I remember back in the late 90's recapper days, somebody (I want to say "CRZ") would typically write: "Larry pretends he hears his name being chanted..."
You're right that he was over for awhile. Probably his pinnacle was 1997 into early 1998. I went to a Nitro in August 1997 and the "Larr-ry" chants were something I enthusiastically participated in.  
The chants seemed to dry up around the time of Louie Spiccoli's death (February 1998) with Larry's controversial kon-air remarks about Spiccoli's passing. Something like: "we had some issues, but now is not the time or the place".

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Kriss wrote: When Larry Zbyszko was color commentator for WCW, he started a gimmick where he would open the show by taking off his headset and taking a bow for the crowd, and for a while this would garner some pretty decent "Larry, Larry" chants. When Larry started working exclusively on Thunder, the commentary wasn't live (or at least not for taped episodes which were recorded before a Nitro episodes, but aired after). The intro was clearly recorded in front of a green screen, with the crowd superimposed, but Larry was still taking his bow, and Tenay would mention the Larry chants, even though there weren't any.I remember back in the late 90's recapper days, somebody (I want to say "CRZ") would typically write: "Larry pretends he hears his name being chanted..."
You're right that he was over for awhile. Probably his pinnacle was 1997 into early 1998. I went to a Nitro in August 1997 and the "Larr-ry" chants were something I enthusiastically participated in.  
The chants seemed to dry up around the time of Louie Spiccoli's death (February 1998) with Larry's controversial kon-air remarks about Spiccoli's passing. Something like: "we had some issues, but now is not the time or the place".

I remember that was a HUGE deal in the embryonic IWC, but whether anyone at Nitro gave a shit about Larry Z’s silly attempt to protect kayfabe is a different matter. I doubt it. 

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That angle was supposed to be leading to Scott Hall vs Larry Z, and it got dropped because people were mad about the Spicoli remark.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Scott Putski was the biggest light heavyweight in the world. Roided to the gills. I think they were talking about a 235lb limit at the time (which would be about 1/2 of the roster today), and he looked heavier than that.

It was the same as WCW's Cruiserweight division, and Light-Heavyweight division before that, which was always 235.  If you look at guys like Pillman, they were huge by today's standards.  A main event talent like Seth Rollins is much smaller than some of the cruiserweights from back then.  Jericho started out as a cruiserweight and doesn't look small at all compared to almost anyone today.  The 235 limit was always a bit odd only because Flair were usually billed around 245, meaning that after a big dump he theoretically could've passed for a cruiserweight. 

But when Flair wrestled Misterio on Nitro in a first (and last?) time ever dream match, he looked like The Big Show.  The clash of styles back then is something you don't see anymore, but when Misterio hit a hurricanrana on Flair off the top rope it was a legit "WTF?!" moment, a bump you just never thought you'd see.  Now everyone does everything in every match.  Unless you lived through it, you don't understand how crazy it was to see certain guys wrestle a cruiserweight, or other guys wrestle a hardcore guy.  People fit in different boxes back then, and WCW started mashing them all together in the mid-'90s and it was a little mind-blowing. 

The more "cut" you are, the bigger you look. I saw an interview with Bobby Lashley saying that when he was in impact, they billed him at 265lbs. Every time he would hear that, he would laugh to himself because he was 225 lbs tops.

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Kris Kristofferson's son wrestled briefly for NXT

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broke wrote: Kris Kristofferson's son wrestled briefly for NXT
After his release, he was actually on Total Divas several times because he is Rusev’s best friend from their time training together. He was the best man at the wedding in Bulgaria. 

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2/17/90 – Rochester, MN
Number One Contender Match:
Nikita Koloff defeated Larry Zbyszko in a 2/3 falls match
Non-Title Cage Match: Paul Diamond & Brad Rheingans (sub The Trooper) defeated AWA Tag Team Champions Destruction Crew Mike Enos & Wayne Bloom
Yukon John Nord and the Night Stalker in action

"In the Class Act move of the month, the semi-main was scheduled as a tag match non-title in a cage with Paul Diamond & The Trooper vs. Wayne Bloom & Mike Enos. Trooper wasn't there and Brad Rheingans took his place. The faces win in nine minutes of a very good match. Anyway, it was announced to the crowd that the previous day Trooper's parents were in a car wreck and that they both had passed away as the reason for Trooper missing the show. In reality, more than a week before the show, I'd received a letter telling me that Trooper (Del Wilkes) had never agreed to work the show and was being falsely advertised and he was working an independent date in the Carolinas on that night (which he did)" - Feb 26, 90 Observer

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Everyone remembers Friar Ferguson, but one of the strangest things about him was that he only ever had one match. No house shows, no syndicated television, just his Raw debut. Some religious types weren't happy and Bastion Booger was born. Even the Head Hunters appeared more times in the WWF.

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He saved some jobber from a post-match beating once I don´t remember who though.

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srossi wrote: Not *literally* no one, but years go by and it doesn't get thought about much and then you go "Holy shit, that actually happened".

- Black Bart was a full-fledged WWF jobber for a year, not far removed from being named World Class' first "World" champion

 
Not FWIW, but Bart was the third guy to be the World Class World Champ. 

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NJPW's Black Cat got a couple random appearances in WCW in 1998.

Crush Gal Chigusa Nagayo showing up with about 60 extra lbs on her as facepainted heel Zero in WCW in 1996

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https://whatcharacter.com/character/d/uPkwHfUMEeWAugAeyeRIgw/king-krewl#

You can't tell me William Regal isn't a time traveler. Here he is in 1925's Wizard of Oz.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: https://whatcharacter.com/character/d/uPkwHfUMEeWAugAeyeRIgw/king-krewl#

You can't tell me William Regal isn't a time traveler. Here he is in 1925's Wizard of Oz.


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