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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2018 02:33 pm
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Heading in a very positive direction at least, and it happened very suddenly.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/smiling-holding-hands-leaders-two-koreas-meet-historic-004841996.html

SEOUL (Reuters) - The leaders of North and South Korea embraced on Friday after pledging to work for the "complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula", on a day of smiles and handshakes at the first inter-Korean summit in more than a decade. The two Koreas announced they would work with the United States and China this year to declare an official end to the 1950s Korean War and seek an agreement on "permanent" and "solid" peace.

The declaration included promises to pursue phased arms reduction, cease hostile acts, transform their fortified border into a peace zone and seek multilateral talks with other countries including the United States.

"The two leaders declare before our people of 80 million and the entire world there will be no more war on the Korean peninsula and a new age of peace has begun," the two sides.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in agreed to visit the North Korean capital of Pyongyang this year, they said.

Earlier, North Korea's Kim Jong Un became the first North Korean leader since the 1950-53 Korean War to set foot in South Korea after shaking hands with his counterpart over a concrete curb marking the border in the heavily fortified demilitarized zone.

Scenes of Moon and Kim joking and walking together marked a striking contrast to last year's barrage of North Korean missile tests and its largest ever nuclear test that led to sweeping international sanctions and fears of war.

Their meeting comes weeks before Kim is due to meet U.S. President Donald Trump in what would be the first ever meeting between sitting leaders of the two countries.

Trump welcomed the Korean talks.

"After a furious year of missile launches and Nuclear testing, a historic meeting between North and South Korea is now taking place. Good things are happening, but only time will tell!" he said on Twitter.

He later added: "KOREAN WAR TO END! The United States, and all of its GREAT people, should be very proud of what is now taking place in Korea!"

China, North Korea's main ally, welcomed the leaders' statement and said it was willing to keep playing a proactive role in promoting political solutions. China is wary of being sidelined by a thaw between the two Koreas and by the upcoming summit between Trump and Kim.

Russia said it was ready to facilitate cooperation between North and South Korea, including in the fields of railway transport and energy.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe also welcomed the summit and said he expected North Korea to take concrete steps to carry out its promises.

Global markets were lifted by hopes the summit would pave the way for the end of conflict on the Korean peninsula. Shares in Seoul briefly rose more than 1 percent to a one-month high and Japan's Nikkei share average also gained.

'BALL IN U.S. COURT'

As part of efforts to reduce tension, the two sides agreed to open a liaison office, stop propaganda broadcasts and leaflet drops along the border and allow Korean families divided by the border to meet.

Days before the summit, Kim said North Korea would suspend nuclear and long-range missile tests and dismantle its only known nuclear test site.

But there has been widespread scepticism about whether Kim is ready to abandon the nuclear arsenal his country has developed for decades, justifying it as a necessary deterrent against U.S. invasion.

"Everything will not be resolved in the blink of an eye," said Kim Young-hee, a North Korean defector-turned-economist at the Korea Development Bank.
"Kim Jong Un has put the ball in the U.S. court. He declared denuclearization, and promised to halt nuclear tests," she said. "That tells us he wants the United States to guarantee the safety of his regime ... in return for denuclearization."

It is not the first time leaders of North and South Korea have declared hopes for peace. Two earlier summits, in Pyongyang in 2000 and 2007, failed to halt the North's weapons program or improve relations in a lasting way.

"We will make efforts to create good results by communicating closely, in order to make sure our agreement signed today before the entire world, will not end as just a beginning like previous agreements before today," Kim said after the agreement was signed.

FIRST ACROSS THE LINE

Earlier, Moon greeted Kim at the military demarcation line where the men smiled and shook hands.

In an unplanned move, Kim invited Moon to step briefly across into North Korea, before the two leaders crossed back into South Korea holding hands.

"I was excited to meet at this historic place and it is really moving that you came all the way to the demarcation line to greet me in person," Kim said, wearing his customary black Mao suit.

"A new history starts now. An age of peace, from the starting point of history," Kim wrote in Korean in a guest book in the South's Peace House before talks began.

During a private meeting in the morning, Kim told Moon he came to the summit to end the history of conflict and joked he was sorry for waking Moon up with his early morning missile tests, a senior presidential official said.

Moon and Kim released their joint declaration before a dinner banquet.

Later, with their wives, they watched a music performance and held hands as they watched a montage of photos from their summit set to a K-pop song that included the words "be a family again".

After warm farewells, Kim was driven back to North Korea.

The United States said earlier it was hopeful talks on peace and prosperity would make progress and it looked forward to discussions with South Korea in preparation for the planned meeting of Trump and Kim in coming weeks.

Just months ago, Trump and Kim were trading threats and insults as the North made rapid advances in pursuit of nuclear-armed missiles capable of hitting the United States.

The United States stations 28,500 troops in South Korea as a legacy of the Korean War, which ended in a truce, not a peace treaty. The war pitted the South, U.N. and U.S. forces against the communist North, backed by China and Russia.
Kim and Trump are expected to meet in late May or June. Trump said on Thursday he was considering several dates and venues.

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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2018 05:03 pm
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I'm not sure KJU actually does wield much power as opposed to being a figurehead of a military regime. Because there is still a streak of Confucianist thought in DPRK, which includes the idea that you do what your father did.

In which case the various executions could have been military factions wielding power - and isolating KJU by removing his family.

And therefore the current situation could be because the more hawkish factions have lost face because of the alleged collapse of the nuclear site, giving the doves a bit more purchase.

One other thing is that his sister seems to be coming to the front more; and she is trained in Western economic thought. Hence the limited market reforms in DPRK. Indeed there was some tho ught before KJI died that she might be the successor; I wonder whether she has much more influence than hitherto assumed.

But essentially DPRK has what it wants. Nuclear capability. Which means that DPRK is now immune from attack. Like Russia and China - and unlike Iraq.

The deal he will demand however is withdrawal of the US from South Korea. Which the Americans will not want; as it gives a convenient base for monitoring China and protecting Taiwan...



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Seems rather odd. Not fully understanding what happened here.



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Papa Voo wrote: Seems rather odd. Not fully understanding what happened here.

Could be simple.  North Korea came to the conclusion that Trump will actually attack.  They got scared and are looking to make a deal.

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Qaenos wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Seems rather odd. Not fully understanding what happened here.

Could be simple.  North Korea came to the conclusion that Trump will actually attack.  They got scared and are looking to make a deal.

Possibly.  That's what Trump would like you to think.  I find it a little hard to believe.  North Korea could've easily just toned down the rhetoric that they themselves were spewing and even Trump never would've attacked them and risked nuclear war for no reason.  It seems like something behind the scenes happened, and I think Kim Jong Un's squawking was his way of having a last hurrah and trying to save face knowing that he would have to cave soon.

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Qaenos wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Seems rather odd. Not fully understanding what happened here.

Could be simple.  North Korea came to the conclusion that Trump will actually attack.  They got scared and are looking to make a deal.


No way in this scenario.  I would call bullshit on that premise.  That is much too simple. 



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KJU had a little trip to China recently. President Xi might have had a quiet word to tell him to chill.

But KJU has what he wants. North Korea is a little bit smaller than Nepal with about the same population. But Kathmandu cannot make Washington jump as much as Pyongyang has.



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I did read about that meeting with China. Wasn’t it supposed to be a “secret” meeting?



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This one is pretty obvious. He plays nice for a while and gets a huge amount of aid given gleefully by the Americans. Then, the inevitable heel turn occurs. The only difference this time as compared to the 90's is that there is "peace" involved. Junior realized he had to up the game a bit this time to get the goodies.

In 2 or 3 years, we will be back to square 1.

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Maybe the sanctions are working, or maybe he knows he can't buffalo this President like the way he did Obama, Bush, and Clinton.

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BT - his Dad pulled this same play in the 90's - exactly. They weren't afraid of Clinton attacking. It is about $.

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He just wants another wrestling summit in Pyongyang so Flair can wrestle Inoki again.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: He just wants another wrestling summit in Pyongyang so Flair can wrestle Inoki again.
It’ll be Cena in the main event and he’ll call North Korea “the greatest ambassador of peace in the history of the known universe” during his post-match promo. He has no scruples. 



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Ultimark wrote: BT - his Dad pulled this same play in the 90's - exactly. They weren't afraid of Clinton attacking. It is about $.

And Clinton was buffaloed. Trump has stated that he will not ease up on the sanctions until he sees results of Un's promises.
Okay, saw a funny meme that a federal judge from Hawaii has ordered the Korean War to resume.

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Trump has called off the North Korea summit. It's all gone to shit. I'd like to hear how Trump was both a genius for setting this up and a genius for cancelling it.



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