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 Posted: Tue May 15th, 2018 02:09 pm
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Part of the buildup to Ali vs Inoki. I believe Wolf was an 'AWA star' at the time. Wide World Of Sports. Howard Cosell calls the action. Completely forgotten about.

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I've seen this a few times over the years. Decent event IMHO. Thanks for bringing it back. ;)

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Buddy Wolfe openly blading on Wide World of Sports and having Howard Cosell pretty much shit all over him doesn't expose the business in the least. It's funny how many people within wrestling bitched about Vince McMahon exposing the business in the '80s, but this fight where Ali throws worked punches and Wolfe is openly holding the blade was just fine with everybody back then...

Also looking back on this time, it seems obvious to me that the Frazier fights and the Foreman war took quite a toll on Ali. He was already starting to not speak as clearly and concisely as he used to, and I wouldn't be surprised if all of the "Boxer vs Wrestler" crap was just to try and protect him. By the time it was over and he started boxing again full time in 1977/1978, he was done. I think Inoki also took a lot out of Ali with the leg kicks, because after that fight, the speed and quickness were gone.



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Inokis leg kicks took alot of me also. Was asleep for 12 hours after watching that matchup.

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I do absolutely love that Freddie Blassie is in Ali's corner, and it's not long after he retired and he's getting around pretty well (and still looks really strong).



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Someone, either Chitown Rich or Clawmaster, noted that this angle was not at a regular AWA card. It was on a weekday morning at the Amphitheatre. They had this session and one with Ali and Kenny Jay. Some fans who'd heard about it and some neighborhood locals who saw the commotion with wrestlers, Ali, and Cosell were let in for free. I always get a kick out of Verne Gagne serving as referee in order to get on ABC TV with his own name in block letters on his sweatsuit jacket, not to mention Dick The Bruiser being there for no particular reason due to also wanting to get on national TV. The egos were not small with these guys.

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Superstar wrote: Buddy Wolfe openly blading on Wide World of Sports and having Howard Cosell pretty much shit all over him doesn't expose the business in the least. It's funny how many people within wrestling bitched about Vince McMahon exposing the business in the '80s, but this fight where Ali throws worked punches and Wolfe is openly holding the blade was just fine with everybody back then...

Also looking back on this time, it seems obvious to me that the Frazier fights and the Foreman war took quite a toll on Ali. He was already starting to not speak as clearly and concisely as he used to, and I wouldn't be surprised if all of the "Boxer vs Wrestler" crap was just to try and protect him. By the time it was over and he started boxing again full time in 1977/1978, he was done. I think Inoki also took a lot out of Ali with the leg kicks, because after that fight, the speed and quickness were gone.

I saw a news article somewhere that in around 1979 or 1980, no later than 1981, speculated on Ali getting punchy due to some minor slurring of his speech. It was a throwaway item, but the idea was out there. When Muhammad Ali was a special ref at Wrestlemania in 1985, I don't recall him doing much talking in the build up which is pretty telling. He had some sort of interview on TV around then or maybe a year afterward and was pretty unintelligible. It was not long after then that Ali having Parkinson's Syndrome was put out there.
 
I've always been skeptical about whether that was, in part or in full, a cover for him having what is tactfully called pugilistic dementia. I'll also add that in the mid to late 1980s, while certainly still having a ton of fans and being considered a sports legend, Ali was considered somewhat washed up and not as revered as he'd once been and would later become. He was just a famous ex boxer, not a countercultural icon or piece of living history. I think he was also having some money trouble although he was rich broke as opposed to broke broke.
 
He had to have gotten new management around 1990 or so, because that's when Ali as a Martin Luther King/Nelson Mandela icon who was beyond reproach started to form as his image. From then onward, the idea that he'd ever do something like be at Mania or the angle he did in Mid-South was laughable. He was even on All California Championship Wrestling in 1986 talking to Victor Rivera and Toru Tanaka in his home and sounding pretty rough.  His image was tightly controlled and monetized in a way that didn't sell him on the cheap for such lowbrow things. It was big money endorsements and appearances that were presented very classily after 1990 or so and especially after 1996.

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tamalie wrote: Superstar wrote: Buddy Wolfe openly blading on Wide World of Sports and having Howard Cosell pretty much shit all over him doesn't expose the business in the least. It's funny how many people within wrestling bitched about Vince McMahon exposing the business in the '80s, but this fight where Ali throws worked punches and Wolfe is openly holding the blade was just fine with everybody back then...

Also looking back on this time, it seems obvious to me that the Frazier fights and the Foreman war took quite a toll on Ali. He was already starting to not speak as clearly and concisely as he used to, and I wouldn't be surprised if all of the "Boxer vs Wrestler" crap was just to try and protect him. By the time it was over and he started boxing again full time in 1977/1978, he was done. I think Inoki also took a lot out of Ali with the leg kicks, because after that fight, the speed and quickness were gone.

I saw a news article somewhere that in around 1979 or 1980, no later than 1981, speculated on Ali getting punchy due to some minor slurring of his speech. It was a throwaway item, but the idea was out there. When Muhammad Ali was a special ref at Wrestlemania in 1985, I don't recall him doing much talking in the build up which is pretty telling. He had some sort of interview on TV around then or maybe a year afterward and was pretty unintelligible. It was not long after then that Ali having Parkinson's Syndrome was put out there.
 
I've always been skeptical about whether that was, in part or in full, a cover for him having what is tactfully called pugilistic dementia. I'll also add that in the mid to late 1980s, while certainly still having a ton of fans and being considered a sports legend, Ali was considered somewhat washed up and not as revered as he'd once been and would later become. He was just a famous ex boxer, not a countercultural icon or piece of living history. I think he was also having some money trouble although he was rich broke as opposed to broke broke.
 
He had to have gotten new management around 1990 or so, because that's when Ali as a Martin Luther King/Nelson Mandela icon who was beyond reproach started to form as his image. From then onward, the idea that he'd ever do something like be at Mania or the angle he did in Mid-South was laughable. He was even on All California Championship Wrestling in 1986 talking to Victor Rivera and Toru Tanaka in his home and sounding pretty rough.  His image was tightly controlled and monetized in a way that didn't sell him on the cheap for such lowbrow things. It was big money endorsements and appearances that were presented very classily after 1990 or so and especially after 1996.


This is an interesting post.  My friends and I talked about Ali back then and then even bring it up on occasion now when we talk rasslin’.  

We keyed on Ali back then and his behavior and actions during the match at Wrestlemania. We said way back in the mid ‘80’s that it looked like he was losing it.

  It seemed he was not certain with himself as to what his role was to be in that match.  Getting involved where he really did not belong and actually taking the focus off of the big spots in the ring.  You did not see him when it seemed he should have been involved with things like Orton’s interference but then getting mixed up in the scrum when it seemed he did not belong in there. 


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It was written that in his pro boxing career, Ali absorbed 20,000 punches. I don’t know if that is even mathematically possible, but somebody took the time to figure it out. After he lost to Frazier in 71, Dundee said his foot speed was gone and that’s why he had to resort to Rope a Dope, which ended up hurting him in the long run



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