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 Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2018 04:17 pm
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Teamsters have more than 90% of UPS workers on board for a strike which covers more than 275,000 employees. FT drivers make 75k/year (on average)

last strike was 1997 and, since then, UPS' unionized workforce is up more than 40% but has risen far more slowly than UPS' revenues which have tripled to $67B

USPS cannot pick up this slack so if they do strike there will be a whole lot of angry Americans since most do a decent amount of shopping online

A two week strike would project out to a $1B loss for UPS

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$75K a year to drive a truck and they are bitching about it? Fuck them.



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During my last quarter of high school (1998) i worked at a UPS hub and volunteered during training for a special position which ended up being on the bulk team. It was an awesome job and I had a blast doing it. However being new to the work force I had never been exposed to union behavior and was a little confused by it at the time. A lot of positioning and politicking against management and even against one another which always seemed counter productive. The drivers earn their money but I doubt a strike will benefit the actual workers much but I could be wrong.

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Franchise wrote: During my last quarter of high school (1998) i worked at a UPS hub and volunteered during training for a special position which ended up being on the bulk team. It was an awesome job and I had a blast doing it. However being new to the work force I had never been exposed to union behavior and was a little confused by it at the time. A lot of positioning and politicking against management and even against one another which always seemed counter productive. The drivers earn their money but I doubt a strike will benefit the actual workers much but I could be wrong.
Unions benefit union bosses and politicians.  It's always been that way.  My wife unfortunately is required to be a member of the teacher's union, and what a shit-show that is.

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I've never worked in a union. So maybe my perspective is 'off'.


I look at the downfall of the American worker the past decade. Much of what was fought for and gained many years ago stripped away in a year or two. Nobody left to fight for 'the working guy'.

Years ago I would have told you 'Unions are bad' but now I am not so sure.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: During my last quarter of high school (1998) i worked at a UPS hub and volunteered during training for a special position which ended up being on the bulk team. It was an awesome job and I had a blast doing it. However being new to the work force I had never been exposed to union behavior and was a little confused by it at the time. A lot of positioning and politicking against management and even against one another which always seemed counter productive. The drivers earn their money but I doubt a strike will benefit the actual workers much but I could be wrong.
Unions benefit union bosses and politicians.  It's always been that way.  My wife unfortunately is required to be a member of the teacher's union, and what a shit-show that is.

Years ago I had a girlfriend who’s dad was a political union type person and that showed me that unions are really just about top; sure wages might be better down below vs the same job at a non union shop but non union shops aren’t following the whims of a outside force. 



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beejmi wrote: I've never worked in a union. So maybe my perspective is 'off'.


I look at the downfall of the American worker the past decade. Much of what was fought for and gained many years ago stripped away in a year or two. Nobody left to fight for 'the working guy'.

Years ago I would have told you 'Unions are bad' but now I am not so sure.

I think unions were a positive thing at one time but so many of them have been corrupted I can’t imagine the benefit they supply the worker is greater than the pain they stick to the employer. A competitive market place can do more good than a union. 



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Unions are needed now more than ever.

Teachers unions in PA make out very well.

I laugh almost daily at the people who work at union jobs and then bitch about them. Incredible! You knew you were being hired into a union position but now you want to bitch about it. Quit! Oh no....they would never do that because they like the pay, benefits and perks. 

 It is incredible the way people think. 

I just spoke with the wife of a couple we know. The husband has been starting his own drilling business for 20 years because he wants to be his own boss. Never worked out. Wife has been basically towing the line and paying the bills in a union job. He gets hired by a local university to do lawn maintenance and it is a union position. She said he comes home everyday saying he is going to quit because they are taking union dues and he could do things more efficiently. He wants to be boss. He does not want to be a laborer. He goes around and tells everybody how bad union workers are that he works with. Guess what? Quit! Go back to several more years of being your boss while your wife supports you.  But no, he likes that extra coin in his pocket....but the people that allow him to make that coin are bad, very bad.  Makes no sense.  

Truly amazing.

People say unions are corrupt?  What do you think corporations are?  How many pensions have been defaulted on by corporations while fat cats get big salaries for cutting workers, benefits and pensions?  

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beejmi wrote: I've never worked in a union. So maybe my perspective is 'off'.


I look at the downfall of the American worker the past decade. Much of what was fought for and gained many years ago stripped away in a year or two. Nobody left to fight for 'the working guy'.

Years ago I would have told you 'Unions are bad' but now I am not so sure.


Yes, you did.  That other chucklehead on here used to spew his anti-union shit, and he really made no sense.  

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In Minnesota all RN's are unionized, and the wages are the highest on average across the board. It also allows them to put leverage on hospitals to stop fucking around with staffing grids and maintain manageable RN to patient ratios.

Around here you can tell the hospitals that have free reign over shit with no pushback with RN unions. Their staffing grids are the shittiest, their reps are the worst because no one wants to work there. So they only get New Hires who can't get on anywhere else, and lifers.
One of the things our Union here has done is enforce limits on the pt ratios. The Hospital wanted us to go to max at 6 pts per RN, the Union pushed the cap for 5. Our Cap is 5. Now that might not seem like much, but trust me, it makes a big difference. One of the shitty hospitals in town have their RN's taking up to 8 on a similar type floor. So if you're a patient, the amount of attention you get will vary at each institution just based on basic time limitations. 
Also the Unions here force Market Value pay adjustments from the hospitals. In my case, that lead to a 13% raise last November, aside from my regular merit raises to put people in line with what Market Salaries are settling in at in the city. I'm not going to say how much I make, but 13% makes an overt difference in my hourly rate, and enough each month to have pretty much covered most of my mortgage payment. 
So from my perspective, at least from an RN standpoint, there's a benefit beyond just the pay structure.

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