WowBB Forums Home 
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register
WowBB Forums > Sports And Wrestling > Pro Wrestling > Will There Ever Be Another Hogan/Austin/Rock?

 Moderated by: Ron, brodiescomics, beejmi Page:    1  2  3  Next Page Last Page  
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
Will There Ever Be Another Hogan/Austin/Rock?  Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 02:57 pm
  PM Quote Reply
1st Post
beejmi
The Big Kahuna


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Philly
Posts: 39878
Status: 
Offline
I am beginning to think 'no". I know there's a hundred years between Hogan and Austin. The odds of someone emerging to be bigger than everyone else seem impossible to me.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 03:07 pm
  PM Quote Reply
2nd Post
indikator



Joined: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009
Location: Bratenwender City, Germany
Posts: 2536
Status: 
Offline
Every generation needs it archetypes, so even vastly inferior instances will succeed in their time.



____________________
The Don Owen signature has been retired as the Dean Silverstone book made the point that he was an antisemite. I shall give you a Greatmuta1025 approved Hello Kitty picture instead.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 03:20 pm
  PM Quote Reply
3rd Post
Kriss



Joined: Wed Dec 12th, 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 5983
Status: 
Offline
I think you can add John Cena to that list. We might not appreciate him, but there are also people who think wrestling ended with Hulkamania. I think CM Punk and Daniel Bryan could have become something huge if they had been allowed to. The lack of competition allowed VKM to push big lumps with no talent like Batista, Orton, Sheamus and Reigns, and Stephanie's insistence on scripting promos means that no one gets to let their own personality out. We've yet to see if Trips can bring out someone like that, because as great as NXT is, no one has shown A1 level personality yet, and anyone who was getting there was probably sucked up to the main roster.



____________________
https://www.facebook.com/AmarilloWrestling
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 03:53 pm
  PM Quote Reply
4th Post
broke



Joined: Tue Jan 22nd, 2008
Location: Bolton, ON
Posts: 3032
Status: 
Offline
Closest WWE has in the system is Velveteen Dream, and I'm guessing he gets booked as a stereotypical gay character once he gets the call-up.



____________________
Comic Saaaaaannnsss
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 04:27 pm
  PM Quote Reply
5th Post
Papa Voo



Joined: Thu Jan 17th, 2008
Location: Right Outside The Burgh, USA
Posts: 9154
Status: 
Offline
No


That ship has sailed.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 05:45 pm
  PM Quote Reply
6th Post
The Ultimate Sin
Hall Of Famer


Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: Parts Unknown, Sri Lanka
Posts: 9662
Status: 
Offline
indikator wrote: Every generation needs it archetypes, so even vastly inferior instances will succeed in their time.
Like Michael Jordan for the NBA.



____________________
May I offer you some salt and vinegar chips?
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 06:17 pm
  PM Quote Reply
7th Post
srossi
Mr Monday Night!
 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: New York USA
Posts: 46788
Status: 
Offline
Kriss wrote: I think you can add John Cena to that list. We might not appreciate him, but there are also people who think wrestling ended with Hulkamania. I think CM Punk and Daniel Bryan could have become something huge if they had been allowed to. The lack of competition allowed VKM to push big lumps with no talent like Batista, Orton, Sheamus and Reigns, and Stephanie's insistence on scripting promos means that no one gets to let their own personality out. We've yet to see if Trips can bring out someone like that, because as great as NXT is, no one has shown A1 level personality yet, and anyone who was getting there was probably sucked up to the main roster.
I couldn’t disagree more. Cena is not on that level and not on the level of 50 other guys from the ‘80s and ‘90s if they had been pushed similarly. Every era needs a top guy. By definition, there has to be a #1. But WWE left money on the table by making it Cena. He was a failure as the top guy for all that time by every metric. The difference being of course that the WWE itself just became a machine during this time churning out money no matter what so they could afford to just stick with the guy who Make-A-Wish likes who won’t get caught with a dead tranny hooker. But that was literally all he did - not embarrass a company that long ago became bigger than any 1 talent. As a draw, he seriously might not be top 75-100 in the history of the company. But it’s not about 1 guy drawing anymore.  It wasn’t strictly about that even in the Austin/Rock era, but now we’re even further removed from that. WWE is now at that MLB/NFL/NBA level where they’re a sports league unto themselves, and all of those leagues have had tons of problems with finding top guys at various times, but they laugh at the fans’ concerns about it because it’s impossible for them not to make tons of money by simply existing. 

Last edited on Sat Jul 7th, 2018 06:26 pm by srossi



____________________
This thread was great before AA ruined it.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 06:48 pm
  PM Quote Reply
8th Post
Franchise
Low key big hog


Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: D-ville
Posts: 2799
Status: 
Offline
If the business stays how it is I don’t see it happening.

If a true #2 promotion ever emerges it is a possibility.



____________________
"Beginning this week, Nitro is going head-to-head with Thunder in Australia" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 06:50 pm
  PM Quote Reply
9th Post
Franchise
Low key big hog


Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: D-ville
Posts: 2799
Status: 
Offline
srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: I think you can add John Cena to that list. We might not appreciate him, but there are also people who think wrestling ended with Hulkamania. I think CM Punk and Daniel Bryan could have become something huge if they had been allowed to. The lack of competition allowed VKM to push big lumps with no talent like Batista, Orton, Sheamus and Reigns, and Stephanie's insistence on scripting promos means that no one gets to let their own personality out. We've yet to see if Trips can bring out someone like that, because as great as NXT is, no one has shown A1 level personality yet, and anyone who was getting there was probably sucked up to the main roster.


I couldn’t disagree more. Cena is not on that level and not on the level of 50 other guys from the ‘80s and ‘90s if they had been pushed similarly. Every era needs a top guy. By definition, there has to be a #1. But WWE left money on the table by making it Cena. He was a failure as the top guy for all that time by every metric. The difference being of course that the WWE itself just became a machine during this time churning out money no matter what so they could afford to just stick with the guy who Make-A-Wish likes who won’t get caught with a dead tranny hooker. But that was literally all he did - not embarrass a company that long ago became bigger than any 1 talent. As a draw, he seriously might not be top 75-100 in the history of the company. But it’s not about 1 guy drawing anymore.  It wasn’t strictly about that even in the Austin/Rock era, but now we’re even further removed from that. WWE is now at that MLB/NFL/NBA level where they’re a sports league unto themselves, and all of those leagues have had tons of problems with finding top guys at various times, but they laugh at the fans’ concerns about it because it’s impossible for them not to make tons of money by simply existing.

A person could argue it just wasn’t about hogan during his time either. For the era the WWF roster was stacked with talent. 



____________________
"Beginning this week, Nitro is going head-to-head with Thunder in Australia" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 06:53 pm
  PM Quote Reply
10th Post
squishy

 

Joined: Tue Jul 12th, 2016
Location:  
Posts: 189
Status: 
Offline
Shows that didn´t have Hulk drew like 5000-8000 fans less.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 07:14 pm
  PM Quote Reply
11th Post
Franchise
Low key big hog


Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: D-ville
Posts: 2799
Status: 
Offline
Right; Hogan was the A team and if you were working him you made a boat load but even the B shows were drawing better than the Crockett A shows in most cases.



____________________
"Beginning this week, Nitro is going head-to-head with Thunder in Australia" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 08:11 pm
  PM Quote Reply
12th Post
srossi
Mr Monday Night!
 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: New York USA
Posts: 46788
Status: 
Offline
There were still draws though. Hogan vs. Andre drew. They don’t fill the Silverdome by just saying WM is coming. These days, WM not only sells out stadiums but has cities bidding for it without any announced matches.



____________________
This thread was great before AA ruined it.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 08:39 pm
  PM Quote Reply
13th Post
Franchise
Low key big hog


Joined: Mon Oct 15th, 2007
Location: D-ville
Posts: 2799
Status: 
Offline
I’m not disputing that my point is that hogan was a star amungst stars. The WWF B team in 87 was out drawing the JCP A team most of the time and the WWF B team could rarely hold a candle to the WWF A team.

Today’s product seems to produce mostly upper mid level talent so the E can appeal to all races, ethnicities and genders. Especially when they add in scripted promos like Cena and the greatest royal rumble.



____________________
"Beginning this week, Nitro is going head-to-head with Thunder in Australia" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Jul 7th, 2018 08:45 pm
  PM Quote Reply
14th Post
Boz1515



Joined: Sat May 26th, 2012
Location:  
Posts: 1300
Status: 
Offline
I agree with a lot of what has been said, and I believe the answer is "no."

I don't think Vince will ever allow anyone to get bigger than the company again.  The closest he ever was to going out of business was when his biggest star was working for the other company.  People always say competition is good, but honestly, WWE probably doesn't want that kind of competition ever again.

They can control a guy's star power through 50/50 booking, etc.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sun Jul 8th, 2018 04:31 am
  PM Quote Reply
15th Post
Matt Farmer

 

Joined: Fri Jun 3rd, 2011
Location: Seattle, Washington USA
Posts: 680
Status: 
Offline
WWE's business is so different today than it was even during Hogan and Austin's era. John Cena is as big of a main stream star as any wrestler not called the Rock. As a main stream star he might even be bigger than Austin. Heck Cena's a regular co-host on the Today show for christ sake.

We can compare rating's and house show attendance until were blue in the face. Think about this next time comparisons are made. WWE in 2019 will make more in television rights for that year, than the entire gross of the company during the peak of the Attitude Era.



____________________
to email me: inferno4l@hotmail.com
Follow on Twitter: @mattfarmer93
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

Current time is 11:26 am Page:    1  2  3  Next Page Last Page    
WowBB Forums > Sports And Wrestling > Pro Wrestling > Will There Ever Be Another Hogan/Austin/Rock? Top




UltraBB 1.172 Copyright © 2007-2013 Data 1 Systems