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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I survived.

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I always look at the ‘80’s in two phases:
1) Early ‘80’s seemed like a colder and darker time.
2) Mid to late ‘80’s pop culture explosion. 

I don't know if this is true everywhere, but early '80s might've been the most dangerous time in NYC in history.  It's hard to compare to say the 1980 when the Five Points Gang and all that was going on, but it was bad.  1981-1983 or so, it was worth your life to take the subway in broad daylight sometimes.  By the mid-'80s things were better and by the mid-'90s it was Disneyland.  But I agree that the decade probably needs to be split in two because the pop culture stuff and the way we think of people dressing back then really didn't start until the middle of the decade.
1974-1979 were by far the worst years for NYC. Open air drug supermarkets in literally every neighborhood. Hell, one of the top heroin hotspots in the late 70's was the blue seats at Madison Square Garden during Knick games. Manhattan was absolutely filthy. My neighborhood in Queens was chock full of old, decrepit apartment buildings with alcoholics and junkies galore. The Bronx was the Dante's Seventh Circle of Hell and this is well documented. I moved to Manhattan at the very end of 1979 and lived there until 1982 and it was really a much better place going into 1980 then it was even two years earlier. Why? I have no idea.

Perhaps with the economy tanking and the city nearing bankruptcy. But crime especially murder peaked in the early 90s. The city was doing an never before seen number of 2000 murders a year. The crack epidemic wrecked neighborhoods faster and way worse than heroin ever came close to doing.



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silentkiller wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I survived.

I am going with this one.  


I always look at the ‘80’s in two phases:
1) Early ‘80’s seemed like a colder and darker time.
2) Mid to late ‘80’s pop culture explosion. 

I don't know if this is true everywhere, but early '80s might've been the most dangerous time in NYC in history.  It's hard to compare to say the 1980 when the Five Points Gang and all that was going on, but it was bad.  1981-1983 or so, it was worth your life to take the subway in broad daylight sometimes.  By the mid-'80s things were better and by the mid-'90s it was Disneyland.  But I agree that the decade probably needs to be split in two because the pop culture stuff and the way we think of people dressing back then really didn't start until the middle of the decade.
1974-1979 were by far the worst years for NYC. Open air drug supermarkets in literally every neighborhood. Hell, one of the top heroin hotspots in the late 70's was the blue seats at Madison Square Garden during Knick games. Manhattan was absolutely filthy. My neighborhood in Queens was chock full of old, decrepit apartment buildings with alcoholics and junkies galore. The Bronx was the Dante's Seventh Circle of Hell and this is well documented. I moved to Manhattan at the very end of 1979 and lived there until 1982 and it was really a much better place going into 1980 then it was even two years earlier. Why? I have no idea.

Perhaps with the economy tanking and the city nearing bankruptcy. But crime especially murder peaked in the early 90s. The city was doing an never before seen number of 2000 murders a year. The crack epidemic wrecked neighborhoods faster and way worse than heroin ever came close to doing.
Absolutely true. However, the crack epidemic was by and large confined to the ghetto. The VAST majority of those murders were in places like East New York, Brownsville, and certain areas in Harlem and the Bronx. By the early 90's, it was fairly safe to walk down the street anyplace that wasn't crack infested. In the mid to late 70's, virtually every part of New York was horrible.



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WongLee wrote: silentkiller wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I survived.

I am going with this one.  


I always look at the ‘80’s in two phases:
1) Early ‘80’s seemed like a colder and darker time.
2) Mid to late ‘80’s pop culture explosion. 

I don't know if this is true everywhere, but early '80s might've been the most dangerous time in NYC in history.  It's hard to compare to say the 1980 when the Five Points Gang and all that was going on, but it was bad.  1981-1983 or so, it was worth your life to take the subway in broad daylight sometimes.  By the mid-'80s things were better and by the mid-'90s it was Disneyland.  But I agree that the decade probably needs to be split in two because the pop culture stuff and the way we think of people dressing back then really didn't start until the middle of the decade.
1974-1979 were by far the worst years for NYC. Open air drug supermarkets in literally every neighborhood. Hell, one of the top heroin hotspots in the late 70's was the blue seats at Madison Square Garden during Knick games. Manhattan was absolutely filthy. My neighborhood in Queens was chock full of old, decrepit apartment buildings with alcoholics and junkies galore. The Bronx was the Dante's Seventh Circle of Hell and this is well documented. I moved to Manhattan at the very end of 1979 and lived there until 1982 and it was really a much better place going into 1980 then it was even two years earlier. Why? I have no idea.

Perhaps with the economy tanking and the city nearing bankruptcy. But crime especially murder peaked in the early 90s. The city was doing an never before seen number of 2000 murders a year. The crack epidemic wrecked neighborhoods faster and way worse than heroin ever came close to doing.
Absolutely true. However, the crack epidemic was by and large confined to the ghetto. The VAST majority of those murders were in places like East New York, Brownsville, and certain areas in Harlem and the Bronx. By the early 90's, it was fairly safe to walk down the street anyplace that wasn't crack infested. In the mid to late 70's, virtually every part of New York was horrible.

The parts of New York that were considered the ghetto spread by the early 90s compared to the mid 70s. Bushwick, Jamaica, Flatbush, Hollis and other areas all became majoring black by the early 90s when they weren't in the mid 70s. As a kid in the early 90s Crown heights I used to hear people always clamor for the safer days of the 70s and before.
As an aside theres an article from the TImes in 1981 which says 1980 was the most dangerous year in the history of NY up till then.



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silentkiller wrote: WongLee wrote: silentkiller wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I survived.

I am going with this one.  


I always look at the ‘80’s in two phases:
1) Early ‘80’s seemed like a colder and darker time.
2) Mid to late ‘80’s pop culture explosion. 

I don't know if this is true everywhere, but early '80s might've been the most dangerous time in NYC in history.  It's hard to compare to say the 1980 when the Five Points Gang and all that was going on, but it was bad.  1981-1983 or so, it was worth your life to take the subway in broad daylight sometimes.  By the mid-'80s things were better and by the mid-'90s it was Disneyland.  But I agree that the decade probably needs to be split in two because the pop culture stuff and the way we think of people dressing back then really didn't start until the middle of the decade.
1974-1979 were by far the worst years for NYC. Open air drug supermarkets in literally every neighborhood. Hell, one of the top heroin hotspots in the late 70's was the blue seats at Madison Square Garden during Knick games. Manhattan was absolutely filthy. My neighborhood in Queens was chock full of old, decrepit apartment buildings with alcoholics and junkies galore. The Bronx was the Dante's Seventh Circle of Hell and this is well documented. I moved to Manhattan at the very end of 1979 and lived there until 1982 and it was really a much better place going into 1980 then it was even two years earlier. Why? I have no idea.

Perhaps with the economy tanking and the city nearing bankruptcy. But crime especially murder peaked in the early 90s. The city was doing an never before seen number of 2000 murders a year. The crack epidemic wrecked neighborhoods faster and way worse than heroin ever came close to doing.
Absolutely true. However, the crack epidemic was by and large confined to the ghetto. The VAST majority of those murders were in places like East New York, Brownsville, and certain areas in Harlem and the Bronx. By the early 90's, it was fairly safe to walk down the street anyplace that wasn't crack infested. In the mid to late 70's, virtually every part of New York was horrible.

The parts of New York that were considered the ghetto spread by the early 90s compared to the mid 70s. Bushwick, Jamaica, Flatbush, Hollis and other areas all became majoring black by the early 90s when they weren't in the mid 70s. As a kid in the early 90s Crown heights I used to hear people always clamor for the safer days of the 70s and before.
As an aside theres an article from the TImes in 1981 which says 1980 was the most dangerous year in the history of NY up till then.Vortex Time!!!
I disagree about those neighborhoods you mentioned. According to U.S. Census, Bushwick was 90% White in 1960, but ten short years later fell to 40%. During the 1977 blackout Bushwick was practically burned to the ground. In my home borough of Queens, Jamaica (not Jamaica Estates where our beloved President is from) has been heavily Hispanic and black since the 70's. Hollis (not to be confused with Holliswood where Mario Cuomo lived) has also been an enclave for black folk as long as I can remember. Flatbush also made the change to heavily Caribbean folks in the early 70's.

I don't doubt that about 1980. Hell, they were even killing guys at the Dakota apartments that year ;)



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WongLee wrote: silentkiller wrote: WongLee wrote: silentkiller wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I survived.

I am going with this one.  


I always look at the ‘80’s in two phases:
1) Early ‘80’s seemed like a colder and darker time.
2) Mid to late ‘80’s pop culture explosion. 

I don't know if this is true everywhere, but early '80s might've been the most dangerous time in NYC in history.  It's hard to compare to say the 1980 when the Five Points Gang and all that was going on, but it was bad.  1981-1983 or so, it was worth your life to take the subway in broad daylight sometimes.  By the mid-'80s things were better and by the mid-'90s it was Disneyland.  But I agree that the decade probably needs to be split in two because the pop culture stuff and the way we think of people dressing back then really didn't start until the middle of the decade.
1974-1979 were by far the worst years for NYC. Open air drug supermarkets in literally every neighborhood. Hell, one of the top heroin hotspots in the late 70's was the blue seats at Madison Square Garden during Knick games. Manhattan was absolutely filthy. My neighborhood in Queens was chock full of old, decrepit apartment buildings with alcoholics and junkies galore. The Bronx was the Dante's Seventh Circle of Hell and this is well documented. I moved to Manhattan at the very end of 1979 and lived there until 1982 and it was really a much better place going into 1980 then it was even two years earlier. Why? I have no idea.

Perhaps with the economy tanking and the city nearing bankruptcy. But crime especially murder peaked in the early 90s. The city was doing an never before seen number of 2000 murders a year. The crack epidemic wrecked neighborhoods faster and way worse than heroin ever came close to doing.
Absolutely true. However, the crack epidemic was by and large confined to the ghetto. The VAST majority of those murders were in places like East New York, Brownsville, and certain areas in Harlem and the Bronx. By the early 90's, it was fairly safe to walk down the street anyplace that wasn't crack infested. In the mid to late 70's, virtually every part of New York was horrible.

The parts of New York that were considered the ghetto spread by the early 90s compared to the mid 70s. Bushwick, Jamaica, Flatbush, Hollis and other areas all became majoring black by the early 90s when they weren't in the mid 70s. As a kid in the early 90s Crown heights I used to hear people always clamor for the safer days of the 70s and before.
As an aside theres an article from the TImes in 1981 which says 1980 was the most dangerous year in the history of NY up till then.Vortex Time!!!
I disagree about those neighborhoods you mentioned. According to U.S. Census, Bushwick was 90% White in 1960, but ten short years later fell to 40%. During the 1977 blackout Bushwick was practically burned to the ground. In my home borough of Queens, Jamaica (not Jamaica Estates where our beloved President is from) has been heavily Hispanic and black since the 70's. Hollis (not to be confused with Holliswood where Mario Cuomo lived) has also been an enclave for black folk as long as I can remember. Flatbush also made the change to heavily Caribbean folks in the early 70's.

I don't doubt that about 1980. Hell, they were even killing guys at the Dakota apartments that year ;)

I'm not disputing that. I'm just starting that there were actually still whites in those places as the 70s went on. The blackout started the final move of the whites of Bushwick and Flatbush. By 1990 most of those whites were completely gone. 25% to almost 0 is a sharpdrop.



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Curious, who gets credit for cleaning all of that up? Guilliani?

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DaNkinator wrote: Curious, who gets credit for cleaning all of that up? Guilliani?
He takes credit of course.  The fact that the crime rate plummeted before him under Dinkins, who was barely awake half the time he was in office, seems to get lost.  There's a million theories why NYC and other major cities experienced a huge crime drop, but it had nothing to do with any individual. 

I buy into the legalization of abortion after Roe vs. Wade in 1973 having a lot to do with it.  A lot of aborted kids from horrible backgrounds would've been turning 18 in 1991, 21 in 1994, and that just happens to coincide with a historic downturn in crime because those people didn't exist to replace the hoodlums from previous generations who were "aged out" of their peak crime years.  No matter how you feel about abortion, this seems like a very good theory.  Certainly other factors contributed too, there isn't likely one cause.  The crack epidemic had also run its course as all drug epidemics seem to have a shelf life before being replaced by something else, and to date I don't think any of it has been as bad as crack in NYC.  I've never seen people lying unconscious in the street after taking Fentanyl or whatever, but you sometimes had to step over bodies even in the middle class neighborhoods on a Sunday morning during peak crack years in the early '80s.  Real estate developers convinced the owners of those gorgeous Harlem brownstones to sell them for peanuts just because they couldn't deal with the crackheads being half-dead on their stoops anymore.  Now they're obviously worth millions or tens of millions.    

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