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 Posted: Sat Aug 11th, 2018 08:22 pm
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Kubrick - THANK YOU!

Ok, I just watched the end. The kneelift looks fine to me. II hits him high in the chest, JYD falls back into the ropes and then face first onto the mat. This doesn't look anything like a blatant miss like it was described. I am actually surprised, because the kneelift looks good.

The final pin is somewhat botched. JYD does a mild kickout by putting his leg up, and the ref stopped at two. But, JYD wasn't under or on the rope. So, then the ref counts the pin again.

Other than that, I don't see anything wrong.



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The first time I read about the "missed" kneelift was in Meltzer's Tribute book in the JYD obit.

All this time I imagined a foot of air between II's knee and JYD's head.

Now that I saw it, it looks fine to me as well. If anything, it's even more effective in the kayfabe world that II hit JYD in the chest than head considering JYD was known for his headbutts. Either way, it looks like II hit him.

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Blazer wrote: Kubrick - THANK YOU!

Ok, I just watched the end. The kneelift looks fine to me. II hits him high in the chest, JYD falls back into the ropes and then face first onto the mat. This doesn't look anything like a blatant miss like it was described. I am actually surprised, because the kneelift looks good.

The final pin is somewhat botched. JYD does a mild kickout by putting his leg up, and the ref stopped at two. But, JYD wasn't under or on the rope. So, then the ref counts the pin again.

Other than that, I don't see anything wrong.

The ending doesn’t bother me because it makes sense that he had one last gasp and then was done. But that’s just me 



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yeah the ending is screwed up. I guess JYD was supposed to get his foot on the ropes and he clearly doesnt but the ref acts like he does anyways. but there is nothing wrong with the kneelift.

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sportatorium roach wrote: The first time I read about the "missed" kneelift was in Meltzer's Tribute book in the JYD obit.

All this time I imagined a foot of air between II's knee and JYD's head.

Now that I saw it, it looks fine to me as well. If anything, it's even more effective in the kayfabe world that II hit JYD in the chest than head considering JYD was known for his headbutts. Either way, it looks like II hit him.


It would make sense because of JYD's hard head, that he would hit him in the chest instead.

The question is, would he be all "knocked out" like that from a knee lift to the chest?  I'm just trying to figure out what wouldn't seem believable to the audience.



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maybe some in the audience just didnt think that should have knocked him flat out like that. maybe its the way he sold it. would a knee to the chest even loaded with whatever knock you unconscious like that? in the head yeah but maybe not in the chest. Jim Cornette on his show thought it was the way JYD sold it.

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the audience looks dead for the match. maybe it was so quiet they could hear the wrestlers calling out stuff.lol I dont know.

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From that angle it looks absolutely fine. If it missed from another angle, I can't imagine it looked very bad to anyone other than 5 fans sitting ringside. Certainly not enough to kill a town. And let's take into account just how horrible so many moves were botched back then. You can't watch a WWF show from the mid-'70s to 1983 without seeing at least one botched finish and 3 moves sold that didn't connect per show. For all the talk about "today's wrestlers", the wrestlers from that time period were sloppy as fuck.  Trying to decide what didn't look believable to an audience from that time is silly because I've seen them buy dropkicks that missed by 3 feet, and today the whole crowd would be chanting "You fucked up!"  No one in the history of the business ever sold worse than Lou Albano, and the fans ate it up every time the babyface got his hands on him, missing with every single shot as Albano stumbled around comically.

Now what really sucked here was the pinfall. What II should've done as a good veteran is pick up JYD and hit the kneelift again, or any other move. He didn't do it and it looked bad.

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srossi wrote: Now what really sucked here was the pinfall. What II should've done as a good veteran is pick up JYD and hit the kneelift again, or any other move. He didn't do it and it looked bad.
All he really should have done was dropped a knee or elbow on the back of JYD's head/neck when he went for the cover, that would have "finished him off" after the knee "got him 80% of the way".

The knee lift looked fine.  It actually didn't miss, but it was meant to be the famous Mr Wrestling II kneelift to the face - JYD didn't go in low enough.  I think the fact that he 'loaded it up' should have been enough to sell the fact that JYD was KOed by just taking it on the chin instead of the whole face.



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The problem was the referee. Just count the fucking pinfall.



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