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 Posted: Tue Aug 14th, 2018 05:22 pm
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It's Bob Backlund's birthday today so that is my question -- was he a GREAT champion?



Now if you saw him in action you have an opinion. Definite Hall Of Famer, was champion for close to six years. The argument is he 'didn't draw' but in an era where the numbers aren't so available and are fudged around alot. Then again, they kept trying to bring back Bruno.



You tell me -- is a champion of the champions?

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He wasn't Bruno, but I can't imagine that Vince Sr. would've stayed with him that long if he was drawing as poorly as some suggest.  I think he did very well and a lot of the talk about him not being a draw or being booed as a babyface are extremely overblown.  Bruno is just in a different category than everyone else though.



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Yes. And I've heard about the "he can't draw" argument, but really, he must have done pretty well bringing in money or VJM would have taken the belt off of him no matter what 'handshake agreement' they had. The business was about dollars and cents, and if Bob Backlund was tanking, so would the company and thus they would have moved on quickly. I think the first few months were toughest after SSBG, but so many fans probably needed a break that they just did normal summertime things. But by '79, all had to be well or else they never would have kept him on into December 1983. They could have had Sheiky take the belt from him in '79 and transition it to somebody else (Graham as a babyface maybe?), but they didn't feel the need to.



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My first Wrestling "hero". Thought he was a great Champion then still do today.

From what I saw in the 82-83. MSG, Spectrum, TV Tapings. He was over from what I saw. Maybe he did get a little boring after Snuka turned face.



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One big 'knock' on Backlund as champion is what a diisaster 1983 was.

Backlund vs Muraco, Slaughter, Steele, Studd, Koloff

All guys he had beaten before.


I contend if the WWF had brought in Kabuki, Tommy Rich (managed by The Grand Wizard), Terry Funk, King Kong Bundy (guys that they brought in later down the line)that Backlund would have been 'fresh' again.

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beejmi wrote: One big 'knock' on Backlund as champion is what a diisaster 1983 was.

Backlund vs Muraco, Slaughter, Steele, Studd, Koloff

All guys he had beaten before.


I contend if the WWF had brought in Kabuki, Tommy Rich (managed by The Grand Wizard), Terry Funk, King Kong Bundy (guys that they brought in later down the line)that Backlund would have been 'fresh' again.


Can't really knock Backlund over his opponents since he wrestled who he was told to wrestle.
Liked him all the way back to the AWA where I first saw him.He was never going to get close the Sammartino reign in terms of length.
I'm no expert but I've never felt that the ability to draw could never be based solely on one wrestler.
His opponent, the rest of the card, time and place, etc all play in to it but as stated he wouldn't have had a 6 year run if crowds barely topped a thousand heads.



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How many defences did he have outside New York?



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Yes, for all the reasons stated above. I've watched a lot of him recently and in the matches I watched he wasn't booed and the crowds were into him.



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When I first got "New York Rasslin" in '82 or so, my impression was it was a bunch of big, slow "ethnic" guys who somehow had a milquetoast Howdy Doody loolalike as champion. He was doing something right, though, as MSG continued to sell out.



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kargol wrote: How many defences did he have outside New York?Same as everyone before him. The WW(W)F(E) had their circuit. "A" stops included Boston, Philadelphia, Landover, Baltimore, Uniondale, and Washington D.C. "B" stops were places like White Plains, Scranton, Bangor, Worchester etc. Some "C" stops were high school gyms on Long Island and in New Jersey. Nothing really changed much from 1963 to 1984.



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Bob Backlund is lot like wrestling's version of Larry Holmes, who was a great champion in his own right, but got caught between two of its biggest stars: Sammartino (Ali) and Hogan (Tyson). It's hard not to look lackluster or boring when compared to those two.

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Dr. Strangelove wrote: Bob Backlund is lot like wrestling's version of Larry Holmes, who was a great champion in his own right, but got caught between two of its biggest stars: Sammartino (Ali) and Hogan (Tyson). It's hard not to look lackluster or boring when compared to those two.
Very true, although I wonder where Morales ranks compared to Backlund then in the minds of WWWF fans of the time.



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srossi wrote: Dr. Strangelove wrote: Bob Backlund is lot like wrestling's version of Larry Holmes, who was a great champion in his own right, but got caught between two of its biggest stars: Sammartino (Ali) and Hogan (Tyson). It's hard not to look lackluster or boring when compared to those two.
Very true, although I wonder where Morales ranks compared to Backlund then in the minds of WWWF fans of the time.Apples and bananas (I hate that cliche). Morales popularity was ethnically based, as was Sammartino. As I've said on here numerous times in the past, Pete's best work is lost in time. The majority of tape on him is during his IC run where he had definitely slowed down a step but could still come up with great matches against elite level workers like Muraco and Valentine. During his run with the WWWF strap, Pedro had a three pronged game of chain wrestling, high spots, and brawling. He was a far better wrestler than Sammartino and a more charismatic babyface than Backlund.

Great analogy by Peter Sellers there.

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Vince Sr wanted his own Jack Brisco and that's why he went with Bob. at times I like Bobs matches and at times I dont. some haven't aged well and some of his opponents were so so. in 1983 especially things got stale. he was fighting guys he had fought before and when he shaved his head and went with the amateur wrestling outfit it was done. but he must have drew money or else Vince Sr would not have kept him on top for as long as he did.

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Bob Backlund was set into a winning formula that was established ahead of him even being considered for the WWWF Champion spot, but he worked well within that formula, played the part well of the legit seeming athlete who didn't have the big persona (in legit sports think Johnny Unitas or pre scandal Steve Garvey for instance) the fans bought him, and he drew. He'd have fared better had the belt been taken off of him six to twelve months sooner and if his post title career hadn't fallen off so dramatically until his mid 1990s revival which had the effect of making him a comedy guy afterward.

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