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Do you consider it to be a 'World Title'?


Or merely an important title?


Or an 'indy belt'?


Or something else completekyly

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Indy belt about to be elevated. Let’s see where Cody can take it. 

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I think the belt can be something with the right person. That school teacher who had it didn’t do much for it but I think the touring was a good first step. I don’t know what it’s costing billy to keep the belt on Cody and what kind of return he is expecting but it is interesting.


Does anyone know is billy getting a cut of the gate as the booker of the belt or is he just paying everyone at this point?



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You mean there is one?

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Unless the title is defended regularly as the top title in a promotion that runs at least somewhat regularly with decent talent, the title will just be a gimmick. If Cody defends the title in ROH, it won't be seen on the same level as the ROH world title, and in New Japan, where everyone has title belt, it will just be one among many titles, and not at the same level as the IWGP title.

It also seems that since Billy Corgan started touring, the steam went out of the story*. I was following the Ten Pounds of Gold stuff and Aldis on his epic title defense tour, but it fell off my radar and people seem to have stopped talking about it. Did Aldis even make those title defenses they were promoting?

*EDIT: From the NWA side of things. I know that this one match was promoted heavily from the All In side of things.

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In about a year it's went from being on no one's radar to being the 2nd or 3rd most important indy title in America.  That's pretty damn good.  And Cody hasn't even started defending it yet, so let's see where it can go. 



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To me it's an indy belt. With potential to be the biggest and most important indy belt. For whatever that is worth.

Belt should be on tour constantly.

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Likely the third most important top company title in the United States behind only ROH and WWE and possibly could end up ahead of ROH now that Cody Rhodes is the champion and after All In.



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martini wrote: Likely the third most important top company title in the United States behind only ROH and WWE and possibly could end up ahead of ROH now that Cody Rhodes is the champion and after All In.
How would the NWA leapfrog over ROH when the only reason the NWA was even included in the biggest indy event ever was basically by the grace and mercy of ROH?  The NWA title was basically used as a gimmick at "All In" to add a little spice to the card to get the belt on Cody due to his family history and the fact that he was the promoter of record, and Cody is an ROH guy at what was essentially an ROH show.  ROH is absolutely killing it right now and the biggest title defenses will no doubt be on ROH shows.  The NWA needs to keep the belt on Cody until at least the MSG show if they know what's good for them, even if Cody has limited availability to defend the belt between then and now.  But as long as Cody is bigger than the belt, which he clearly is right now, the NWA is by no means going to jump over ROH.   

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Cody is going to Championship Wrestling from Hollywood for a Tv taping soon.

Cody and Billy both used each other. Cody used the NWA because it a great Storyline him going for the title that his father held. Billy used All in to promote in the NWA what better way than at the biggest Indy show at all time then letting Cody win the title..

Still say Cody loses it at the 70th Anniversary show back to Aldis.

Billy needs to get promotions under the NWA Banner again for the NWA to work.



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bpickering wrote: Cody is going to Championship Wrestling from Hollywood for a Tv taping soon.

Cody and Billy both used each other. Cody used the NWA because it a great Storyline him going for the title that his father held. Billy used All in to promote in the NWA what better way than at the biggest Indy show at all time then letting Cody win the title..

Still say Cody loses it at the 70th Anniversary show back to Aldis.

Billy needs to get promotions under the NWA Banner again for the NWA to work.

Definitely agree with all of this.  The best deals are the deals where both sides use each other, and I think they both came out looking great here. 

I'm sure that Cody and the NWA have already agreed on a date where he's dropping the belt and I doubt Cody wants it for long with all of his other commitments (and the NWA shots likely won't pay as much), but from the NWA perspective, it helps to have the belt on the most relevant indy guy in the country right now for as long as possible, even if that means less defenses.  Cody walking out with that belt at an MSG or Tokyo Dome show means more than 25 defenses in high school gyms in Oklahoma and Wisconsin against the likes of Kahagas and Jocephus.

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Cody is going to Championship Wrestling from Hollywood for a Tv taping soon.

Cody and Billy both used each other. Cody used the NWA because it a great Storyline him going for the title that his father held. Billy used All in to promote in the NWA what better way than at the biggest Indy show at all time then letting Cody win the title..

Still say Cody loses it at the 70th Anniversary show back to Aldis.

Billy needs to get promotions under the NWA Banner again for the NWA to work.

Definitely agree with all of this.  The best deals are the deals where both sides use each other, and I think they both came out looking great here. 

I'm sure that Cody and the NWA have already agreed on a date where he's dropping the belt and I doubt Cody wants it for long with all of his other commitments (and the NWA shots likely won't pay as much), but from the NWA perspective, it helps to have the belt on the most relevant indy guy in the country right now for as long as possible, even if that means less defenses.  Cody walking out with that belt at an MSG or Tokyo Dome show means more than 25 defenses in high school gyms in Oklahoma and Wisconsin against the likes of Kahagas and Jocephus.

Either one of you think this might be Corgan's way of getting the most exposure for the belt on TV?  Meaning, because he agreed to have Cody win it at All In, maybe Cody agreed to wear it on all of his appearances on ROH and NJPW TV?  Because that and that alone would bring the NWA belt more exposure than it's gotten since Sting vs Flair in my opinion.  I believe that TNA used the NWA belt to try and give themselves a bit of startup credibility, but the fact is, everybody knew that the NWA belt at that time was just the TNA Heavyweight Title.  NWA got dicked when Jarrett pulled out just as Kurt Angle was going to win the belt, but still, it's not like the situation would have been any different.




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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Cody is going to Championship Wrestling from Hollywood for a Tv taping soon.

Cody and Billy both used each other. Cody used the NWA because it a great Storyline him going for the title that his father held. Billy used All in to promote in the NWA what better way than at the biggest Indy show at all time then letting Cody win the title..

Still say Cody loses it at the 70th Anniversary show back to Aldis.

Billy needs to get promotions under the NWA Banner again for the NWA to work.

Definitely agree with all of this.  The best deals are the deals where both sides use each other, and I think they both came out looking great here. 

I'm sure that Cody and the NWA have already agreed on a date where he's dropping the belt and I doubt Cody wants it for long with all of his other commitments (and the NWA shots likely won't pay as much), but from the NWA perspective, it helps to have the belt on the most relevant indy guy in the country right now for as long as possible, even if that means less defenses.  Cody walking out with that belt at an MSG or Tokyo Dome show means more than 25 defenses in high school gyms in Oklahoma and Wisconsin against the likes of Kahagas and Jocephus.

Either one of you think this might be Corgan's way of getting the most exposure for the belt on TV?  Meaning, because he agreed to have Cody win it at All In, maybe Cody agreed to wear it on all of his appearances on ROH and NJPW TV?  Because that and that alone would bring the NWA belt more exposure than it's gotten since Sting vs Flair in my opinion.  I believe that TNA used the NWA belt to try and give themselves a bit of startup credibility, but the fact is, everybody knew that the NWA belt at that time was just the TNA Heavyweight Title.  NWA got dicked when Jarrett pulled out just as Kurt Angle was going to win the belt, but still, it's not like the situation would have been any different.



I think it's all factored in.  TV exposure helps.  ROH is on all the Sinclair networks and from what I understand Honor Club is doing really well.  Then you have NJPW World.  If he wears the belts and the announcers keep putting himself over as NWA champ a lot, it will start to seem like a big deal again.  "All In" was a great first step and that show made the belt seem a million times more important than it has in decades.  Now they just have to build on that, but in some ways Cody and the NWA might have different priorities going forward, so we'll see if they stay on the same page.

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I guess at the NWA 70th show they are crowning a New NWA Naional Champion. Don't know why you need another title right now.

At least Billy is taking his time and it sounds like he has one. Its a 20 year plan but its a plan .



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srossi wrote: martini wrote: Likely the third most important top company title in the United States behind only ROH and WWE and possibly could end up ahead of ROH now that Cody Rhodes is the champion and after All In.
How would the NWA leapfrog over ROH when the only reason the NWA was even included in the biggest indy event ever was basically by the grace and mercy of ROH?  The NWA title was basically used as a gimmick at "All In" to add a little spice to the card to get the belt on Cody due to his family history and the fact that he was the promoter of record, and Cody is an ROH guy at what was essentially an ROH show.  ROH is absolutely killing it right now and the biggest title defenses will no doubt be on ROH shows.  The NWA needs to keep the belt on Cody until at least the MSG show if they know what's good for them, even if Cody has limited availability to defend the belt between then and now.  But as long as Cody is bigger than the belt, which he clearly is right now, the NWA is by no means going to jump over ROH.   

10,000 people saw Cody win the belt in person and thousands more around the world. Meanwhile, the ROH champ worked as a Randy Savage tribute band against a never was.
Perecpetion is reality my friend and the perception coming out of this show is the NWA champion is a bigger star than the ROH champion. Thus, it certainly closes the gap between the importance of the two 
And if you noted I said it could end up ahead of the ROH title, but in your smarky keyboard huff you ignored the adverb "possibly" and took what I said out of context so you could hear yourself speak some more. 



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