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Any of you guys have any fun stories to share about coaching sports?  I’ve been coaching baseball for my boy this year, both Spring and now Fall baseball.  He’s a good little player, but not the best guy on the team.  My wife warned me before we got into this in the Spring about the headaches, but we all agreed to go in together.  My thought was that I go to all of the games anyway, so why not coach, plus it’s a great memory for us together.

Fast forward to yesterday.  4th game of the fall ball season.  My team (who I did not pick one boy for, they were all given to me randomly) is crushing the league.  Last two victories were 15-3.  Stealing is allowed, if not encouraged.  It’s a mix of boys from 5th thru 7th grades.  These boys love to run, so I told the older boys they have the green light.  I got barked at by the other coach after we went up 10-1 after the second inning. He put a kid in at catcher who’s never caught before apparently.  I didn’t know that until he told me.  The 5th run of the second inning came around when our guy went from 1st to 3rd on a passed ball and then went home when the throw went passed the 3rd baseman.  Other coach barks “hey, if you want to play that way....”.  Umpire stepped in and basically told the other guy to STFU and let me run my team.  I offered to send the kid back to 2nd or 3rd.  The other coach walked away and wouldn’t discuss it but was belly aching the entire time.

My point  - I didn’t draft the teams (although other coach picked a bunch of his kids friends who suck).  I don’t make the other team’s lineup (don’t play your worse player at catcher).  Third, these kids want to run and it’s in the rules.
Then the politics come into play.  This dude is a dad at our school, which is very clique-ish to begin with.  We’re already on the outside looking in.  So he’s running his mouth to other parents.  Talk about a no win situation.  
So I told my team to not take any bases for the rest of the game.  We held our runners in the 3rd and 4th as the passed balls continued. It was pretty comical.  The 6th and 7th graders are like, WTF?
I don’t really care so much if everyone hates me,  but then you start worrying about how this affects my kids status at school.  
Anyway- just venting.  It’s funny though, I always get more compliments from the parents of kids we don’t know (go to other school) than the parents at our own school.  Also,  nobody else wanted to coach.  
Ugh.  



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No and I never will. My kids like Soccer and long distance running both of which I have no expierence in nor care to know much more about.

I take them to practice and attend games / meets but that’s all for me. If anything I’m usually telling parents to calm down and lay off the ref or judge.



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Unless a kid is a legitimate prodigy, no one under high school age needs coaching. Kids should play and have fun. They should play pick-up games without adult supervision. Let them work it out themselves. If kids want your advice, they'll ask.  I hate this idea of everything needing to be so structured. No one grew up that way before the '90s and kids were healthier, less stressed, more creative, and had better problem-solving skills then.  And parents should be banned from ever watching their kids play anything.  No good ever comes of that. 

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srossi wrote: Unless a kid is a legitimate prodigy, no one under high school age needs coaching. Kids should play and have fun. They should play pick-up games without adult supervision. Let them work it out themselves. If kids want your advice, they'll ask.  I hate this idea of everything needing to be so structured. No one grew up that way before the '90s and kids were healthier, less stressed, more creative, and had better problem-solving skills then.  And parents should be banned from ever watching their kids play anything.  No good ever comes of that. 
Well, I think organized sports serve a function.  In baseball, in particular, there is a need for coaches to talk about strategy (runner on 2nd, nobody on first, ball hit to the left side, don’t run into an out at 3rd base!.... one example).  In addition to making out the lineup, offering encouragement, managing everything.  There’s a lot that goes into it both administratively and in-game detail.  I played Little League baseball and CYO basketball in the 80s.  Organized sports existed before the 90s.  Come on, Rossi :)



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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Unless a kid is a legitimate prodigy, no one under high school age needs coaching. Kids should play and have fun. They should play pick-up games without adult supervision. Let them work it out themselves. If kids want your advice, they'll ask.  I hate this idea of everything needing to be so structured. No one grew up that way before the '90s and kids were healthier, less stressed, more creative, and had better problem-solving skills then.  And parents should be banned from ever watching their kids play anything.  No good ever comes of that. 
Well, I think organized sports serve a function.  In baseball, in particular, there is a need for coaches to talk about strategy (runner on 2nd, nobody on first, ball hit to the left side, don’t run into an out at 3rd base!.... one example).  In addition to making out the lineup, offering encouragement, managing everything.  There’s a lot that goes into it both administratively and in-game detail.  I played Little League baseball and CYO basketball in the 80s.  Organized sports existed before the 90s.  Come on, Rossi :)

You never just played baseball without all that?  You need administrators and “in-game detail”?  Kids can make out their own line-ups. Give me a break. We used to play in parking lots and in the park. And this is far removed from the days of stickball in the streets in the ‘50s. And kids can talk about strategy informally. I learned it and never dealt with a coach in my life and my father didn’t even like baseball. With basketball and soccer it’s even easier. 



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Yes and I grew to despise it. I coached my daughter's softball team from age 8-11. My deal was that everyone played. We taught them the fundamentals and also built in fun time at every practice. Games and contests. We led the league in ice cream runs every year.

We never won the championship but we did OK. I taught them that while there was a difference between winning and losing and we always preferred winning, each person had to know they worked to get better. As long as you could do that, then the results are what they are. The league required trophies for everyone which drove me crazy. I would leave them in a box and tell the kids to get one if they were interested.

The parents were the usual. Since I had almost the same team for 3 straight years, they learned that I wasn't going to respond to their suggestions. I told one guy to start coming to every practice so he could help us coach. That ended all future suggestions from him but others kept coming.  It never really stopped and grew old.  I was glad when my daughter decided to no longer play. 

The tactics other teams employed almost never bothered me. I used them myself. I only recall 1 incident that was clearly across the line. The coach of an opposing team (a Mom) had a star player. The kid was tall and athletic. She always killed us. In one game, she just wasn't into it. She hit a soft ground ball and we got her out. A rarity. My girl's were excited. The Mom waits until the applause stops and yells at her kid something to the effect of "You suck (she did use that word). Good luck getting a scholarship since these turds (used that word to) can get you out. The girl was 10 years old.

The only time I didn't shake the hand of an opposing coach, ever.

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I will admit though I do get a kick out of the parent and child combo that at age 10 think they have it all figured out. Little Johnny just plays 3rd base; really you think your kid doesn’t need to develop his game?


I read an article a few years ago about some pro soccer team from England and how they develop the youth of there community by teaching skills and technique vs playing games.


Unless your kid competes in an Olympic sport like women’s gymnastics and can peak at an early age performance should be way less important than effort pre high school.



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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Unless a kid is a legitimate prodigy, no one under high school age needs coaching. Kids should play and have fun. They should play pick-up games without adult supervision. Let them work it out themselves. If kids want your advice, they'll ask.  I hate this idea of everything needing to be so structured. No one grew up that way before the '90s and kids were healthier, less stressed, more creative, and had better problem-solving skills then.  And parents should be banned from ever watching their kids play anything.  No good ever comes of that. 
Well, I think organized sports serve a function.  In baseball, in particular, there is a need for coaches to talk about strategy (runner on 2nd, nobody on first, ball hit to the left side, don’t run into an out at 3rd base!.... one example).  In addition to making out the lineup, offering encouragement, managing everything.  There’s a lot that goes into it both administratively and in-game detail.  I played Little League baseball and CYO basketball in the 80s.  Organized sports existed before the 90s.  Come on, Rossi :)

You never just played baseball without all that?  You need administrators and “in-game detail”?  Kids can make out their own line-ups. Give me a break. We used to play in parking lots and in the park. And this is far removed from the days of stickball in the streets in the ‘50s. And kids can talk about strategy informally. I learned it and never dealt with a coach in my life and my father didn’t even like baseball. With basketball and soccer it’s even easier. 

Of course we did this too.  Hell, during the summer, we would play wiffleball from morning until dusk in the backyard.  I agree with you on that.  










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srossi wrote:
You never just played baseball without all that?  You need administrators and “in-game detail”?  Kids can make out their own line-ups. Give me a break. We used to play in parking lots and in the park. And this is far removed from the days of stickball in the streets in the ‘50s. And kids can talk about strategy informally. I learned it and never dealt with a coach in my life and my father didn’t even like baseball. With basketball and soccer it’s even easier. 
Rossi you fag, I played organized baseball from the time I was 10 years old. Baseball is not now, nor was it then, a game you could pick up and play well without good coaching. I advanced a level every year until I was playing Babe Ruth League at 13. This experience allowed me to make my high school varsity team as a freshman (I was a pitcher). I'm sure you and your best friend Ahmed whose father owned the local Halal shop and knew eight words of English had great fun on the concrete field where all sunlight was blocked off by the El. You probably pretended you were Lee Mazzilli because he wore his pants so tight and Ahmed would run from home to third because he couldn't quite master the nuances of the game. Allah Akbar motherfucker.



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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote:
You never just played baseball without all that?  You need administrators and “in-game detail”?  Kids can make out their own line-ups. Give me a break. We used to play in parking lots and in the park. And this is far removed from the days of stickball in the streets in the ‘50s. And kids can talk about strategy informally. I learned it and never dealt with a coach in my life and my father didn’t even like baseball. With basketball and soccer it’s even easier. 
Rossi you fag, I played organized baseball from the time I was 10 years old. Baseball is not now, nor was it then, a game you could pick up and play well without good coaching. I advanced a level every year until I was playing Babe Ruth League at 13. This experience allowed me to make my high school varsity team as a freshman (I was a pitcher). I'm sure you and your best friend Ahmed whose father owned the local Halal shop and knew eight words of English had great fun on the concrete field where all sunlight was blocked off by the El. You probably pretended you were Lee Mazzilli because he wore his pants so tight and Ahmed would run from home to third because he couldn't quite master the nuances of the game. Allah Akbar motherfucker.



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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Unless a kid is a legitimate prodigy, no one under high school age needs coaching. Kids should play and have fun. They should play pick-up games without adult supervision. Let them work it out themselves. If kids want your advice, they'll ask.  I hate this idea of everything needing to be so structured. No one grew up that way before the '90s and kids were healthier, less stressed, more creative, and had better problem-solving skills then.  And parents should be banned from ever watching their kids play anything.  No good ever comes of that. 
Well, I think organized sports serve a function.  In baseball, in particular, there is a need for coaches to talk about strategy (runner on 2nd, nobody on first, ball hit to the left side, don’t run into an out at 3rd base!.... one example).  In addition to making out the lineup, offering encouragement, managing everything.  There’s a lot that goes into it both administratively and in-game detail.  I played Little League baseball and CYO basketball in the 80s.  Organized sports existed before the 90s.  Come on, Rossi :)

You never just played baseball without all that?  You need administrators and “in-game detail”?  Kids can make out their own line-ups. Give me a break. We used to play in parking lots and in the park. And this is far removed from the days of stickball in the streets in the ‘50s. And kids can talk about strategy informally. I learned it and never dealt with a coach in my life and my father didn’t even like baseball. With basketball and soccer it’s even easier. 
Back to your point on this, you’re either being overly hyperbolic or just totally far removed from the reality of this age range.  I coached 3rd and 4th graders in the Spring, and now 5th thru 7th in the fall.  There needs to be some level of organization, real umpires, real equipment, etc.  It would be chaos without two coaches on each team.





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I am coaching minor league fall baseball (9 and 10 year olds) this year since:
a) the league was desperate for head coaches and nobody else volunteered
b) I figured it would be bonding time with my son and give me something to do instead of just watching the game.
The fall league is considered instructional league. No standings are kept, no end of the season tournament. The games are basically glorified scrimmages. Maximum 3 run per inning rule. There are 10 positions on the field (4 outfielders) and 13 kids on the team so I gotta bench 3 kids per inning. All kids hit no matter if they are benched or not.

Our biggest problem has been the weather. The Baltimore/DC area has had rain most of the month - especially on the weekends. We are about a month into the season and we have had 1 practice and played 2 games. Considering we are scheduled to have 2 practices per week and 1 game per week, we have already missed out on 11 practices and 2 games so far. It is very difficult to field a competitive/competent team when you don't have any time to work with the kids. Just to prevent the games from being walk-fests, I have had to pitch the kids who pitched in the spring league since there hasn't been any time to work on any new pitchers. I would like to have the kids get time playing every position that they are interested in but I don't think there will be time due to:
a) the weather
b) lack of playing facilities (with all of the other baseball/softball teams, soccer teams, football teams, ultimate frisbee teams, kickball teams, wiffleball teams, "insert sport here" teams, there just aren't enough fields to play on - especially when you factor in that all of those teams need to re-schedule their games that were rained out too
c) kids are involved in so many other activities (baseball, soccer, swim team, karate, scouts, you name it) they are lucky to be able to squeeze an hour of baseball practice in per week

If I was one of the kids, I would hate to play this game. It seems the only players who see any action are the pitcher, catcher, and the first baseman if he is lucky. It is mostly walk or strikeout. Most kids only manage 2 at bats per game due to the 13 man rosters and the 2 hour time limit on games.
Even coaching can be a pain since:
1) I try to keep the number of benched innings per player balanced
2) I try to give the kids the same amount of time in the infield as in the outfield
3) I gotta play players in positions where they have no chance (3rd base) of getting a player out. Most 10 year-olds just don't have the arms to throw a ball from third to first yet

Our team has been lucky because 5 parents have stepped up to be assistant coaches when their schedules allow. This enables us to break the kids into smaller groups for drills instead of having 12 kids standing around waiting on 1 kid to hit the ball. If Mother Nature would cooperate, I think our team could become pretty good and it would be a lot of fun for the kids. Right now, it just isn't much fun. Fortunately, the parents haven't started complaining yet.




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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Unless a kid is a legitimate prodigy, no one under high school age needs coaching. Kids should play and have fun. They should play pick-up games without adult supervision. Let them work it out themselves. If kids want your advice, they'll ask.  I hate this idea of everything needing to be so structured. No one grew up that way before the '90s and kids were healthier, less stressed, more creative, and had better problem-solving skills then.  And parents should be banned from ever watching their kids play anything.  No good ever comes of that. 
Well, I think organized sports serve a function.  In baseball, in particular, there is a need for coaches to talk about strategy (runner on 2nd, nobody on first, ball hit to the left side, don’t run into an out at 3rd base!.... one example).  In addition to making out the lineup, offering encouragement, managing everything.  There’s a lot that goes into it both administratively and in-game detail.  I played Little League baseball and CYO basketball in the 80s.  Organized sports existed before the 90s.  Come on, Rossi :)

You never just played baseball without all that?  You need administrators and “in-game detail”?  Kids can make out their own line-ups. Give me a break. We used to play in parking lots and in the park. And this is far removed from the days of stickball in the streets in the ‘50s. And kids can talk about strategy informally. I learned it and never dealt with a coach in my life and my father didn’t even like baseball. With basketball and soccer it’s even easier. 
Back to your point on this, you’re either being overly hyperbolic or just totally far removed from the reality of this age range.  I coached 3rd and 4th graders in the Spring, and now 5th thru 7th in the fall.  There needs to be some level of organization, real umpires, real equipment, etc.  It would be chaos without two coaches on each team.




I think a big point is that srossi's example would be a kid that actually wants to play baseball. In my experience, they might be 25% of the kids on the team. The other 75% are the kids that were enlisted by their parents to play baseball. These kids have no concept of baseball and have no real interest in learning. They don't watch any MLB games on TV, couldn't name a favorite baseball player, build sand castles while playing infield, and practice the latest Fortnite dance while in the outfield - The Floss, The Tidy, Jubilation, Taking the L, Best Mates, Orange Justice...these kids are teaching me a lot :-).

I coach 3rd and 4th graders and Blazer is right, these kids need supervision at all times. Our team typically has 4 coaches (2 base coaches, bench (lineup) coach, batting coach) for each game and it still doesn't seem like enough. Last game, I set up a batting tee and hitting net for the kids on the bench to use when they weren't in the field. I thought the kids would be begging to be benched so they could hit balls off the tee instead of watching the grass grow in the outfield. NOPE! They were much happier to just sit on the bench and hang out with their bench mates talking about Spongebob Squarepants, Minecraft, and whatever else elementary students are into.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote:
You never just played baseball without all that?  You need administrators and “in-game detail”?  Kids can make out their own line-ups. Give me a break. We used to play in parking lots and in the park. And this is far removed from the days of stickball in the streets in the ‘50s. And kids can talk about strategy informally. I learned it and never dealt with a coach in my life and my father didn’t even like baseball. With basketball and soccer it’s even easier. 
Rossi you fag, I played organized baseball from the time I was 10 years old. Baseball is not now, nor was it then, a game you could pick up and play well without good coaching. I advanced a level every year until I was playing Babe Ruth League at 13. This experience allowed me to make my high school varsity team as a freshman (I was a pitcher). I'm sure you and your best friend Ahmed whose father owned the local Halal shop and knew eight words of English had great fun on the concrete field where all sunlight was blocked off by the El. You probably pretended you were Lee Mazzilli because he wore his pants so tight and Ahmed would run from home to third because he couldn't quite master the nuances of the game. Allah Akbar motherfucker.




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Big Garea Fan wrote: I am coaching minor league fall baseball (9 and 10 year olds) this year since:
a) the league was desperate for head coaches and nobody else volunteered
b) I figured it would be bonding time with my son and give me something to do instead of just watching the game.
The fall league is considered instructional league. No standings are kept, no end of the season tournament. The games are basically glorified scrimmages. Maximum 3 run per inning rule. There are 10 positions on the field (4 outfielders) and 13 kids on the team so I gotta bench 3 kids per inning. All kids hit no matter if they are benched or not.

Our biggest problem has been the weather. The Baltimore/DC area has had rain most of the month - especially on the weekends. We are about a month into the season and we have had 1 practice and played 2 games. Considering we are scheduled to have 2 practices per week and 1 game per week, we have already missed out on 11 practices and 2 games so far. It is very difficult to field a competitive/competent team when you don't have any time to work with the kids. Just to prevent the games from being walk-fests, I have had to pitch the kids who pitched in the spring league since there hasn't been any time to work on any new pitchers. I would like to have the kids get time playing every position that they are interested in but I don't think there will be time due to:
a) the weather
b) lack of playing facilities (with all of the other baseball/softball teams, soccer teams, football teams, ultimate frisbee teams, kickball teams, wiffleball teams, "insert sport here" teams, there just aren't enough fields to play on - especially when you factor in that all of those teams need to re-schedule their games that were rained out too
c) kids are involved in so many other activities (baseball, soccer, swim team, karate, scouts, you name it) they are lucky to be able to squeeze an hour of baseball practice in per week

If I was one of the kids, I would hate to play this game. It seems the only players who see any action are the pitcher, catcher, and the first baseman if he is lucky. It is mostly walk or strikeout. Most kids only manage 2 at bats per game due to the 13 man rosters and the 2 hour time limit on games.
Even coaching can be a pain since:
1) I try to keep the number of benched innings per player balanced
2) I try to give the kids the same amount of time in the infield as in the outfield
3) I gotta play players in positions where they have no chance (3rd base) of getting a player out. Most 10 year-olds just don't have the arms to throw a ball from third to first yet

Our team has been lucky because 5 parents have stepped up to be assistant coaches when their schedules allow. This enables us to break the kids into smaller groups for drills instead of having 12 kids standing around waiting on 1 kid to hit the ball. If Mother Nature would cooperate, I think our team could become pretty good and it would be a lot of fun for the kids. Right now, it just isn't much fun. Fortunately, the parents haven't started complaining yet.





My experience this year mirrors yours almost exactly.  We don’t have practices for fall ball, mostly again due to the local soccer leagues owning all of your park district facilities in the fall.  One nice option is that we play night games during the week at a local school that has a field with lights, so that is fun.



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