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 Posted: Tue Oct 2nd, 2018 10:46 am
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The clip of Elias getting huge heat in Seattle last night has been getting some coverage today. I know nothing of and care nothing for basketball, so this was completely lost on me and anyone else who doesn't follow the NBA. I doubt anyone that anyone who isn't from Seattle was particularly moved by the comment, even if they do follow the NBA.

WWE has a worldwide audience, so I never understand the desire to get a reaction by mentioning local sports teams. It comes off like a big inside joke that I'm not in on, and I'm sure that's not the desired effect. It makes for awful television.

Kurt Angle was particularly guilty of this when he first turned heel, and I hated it as much then as I do now.

Heel Roddy Piper in 1998-99 might be the worst example:

"Springfield.... home of the Browneyes...." *huge crowd cheer*
"very specific shade thrown on the Browneyes and their star middle-back" *huge crowd boo*
repeat every week



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The Elias heat was funny given Seattle moved away a decade ago. If there were anyone in Seattle looking to get basketball back there, they could play the WWE clip to the NBA to show the market.



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 Posted: Tue Oct 2nd, 2018 05:45 pm
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From what I've seen, it was sort of like trolling Baltimore in the late 80's for losing the Colts. Or like Cleveland losing the Browns in the mid-90's.

It's the usual cheap heat. The crossover of WWE fans, errr "the WWE Universe" with Local Sports Fans is pretty persistent; thus it's a good way to needle them. It shows that the heel is aware of his location and is doing it just to piss them off. It's better than saying: "hey, I had to go through your crappy airport and take a bus! Boy, does your Public Transportation suck in this city"

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Last night was definitely the most effective use of that old "use a sports reference to get cheap heat" trick that I've ever seen in wrestling history. Those fans went crazy and somehow got louder after 5 minutes of booing.



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Thinking about it, dejected Sonics fans have certainly raged online, called into sports talk radio, and had heated discussions in small groups over the past decade. However, I don't think the people of greater Seattle have ever had a situation in which 10,000 people could have an almost cathartic release of collective anger over the whole thing until last night. What was said at that precise moment was enough of a spark to light that fire. Everyone got a chance to take out all of their anger on the NBA, the ownership that took the team to OKC, the former Sonics owners who sold the team, and local politicians at once. If Raw goes back to Seattle in say January and Elias and Owens did the same thing, it wouldn't work twice. There'd be some boos, but not the full throated fury that lasted so long. For that matter, if Raw went to some other town where the target had to be some athlete that signed for another team elsewhere or a team that had a disappointing season, I doubt the same reaction would occur.

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I personally don't believe there is such a thing as "cheap heat"...heat is heat, if you can get it by dissing a sports team, go for it. Last night was fucking beautiful...



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srossi wrote: Last night was definitely the most effective use of that old "use a sports reference to get cheap heat" trick that I've ever seen in wrestling history. Those fans went crazy and somehow got louder after 5 minutes of booing.


That was one of the most awesome things that has happened on Raw in a couple of years.  Elias looked like he was actually a little rattled, or at least somewhat distracted by the overwhelming response.  I thought it made for great tv.  That crowd absolutely lost their minds lol.  I bet nobody backstage saw that one coming.





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I bet not either. There hasn't been a reaction like that in a good while save for Ciampa.



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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Last night was definitely the most effective use of that old "use a sports reference to get cheap heat" trick that I've ever seen in wrestling history. Those fans went crazy and somehow got louder after 5 minutes of booing.


That was one of the most awesome things that has happened on Raw in a couple of years.  Elias looked like he was actually a little rattled, or at least somewhat distracted by the overwhelming response.  I thought it made for great tv.  That crowd absolutely lost their minds lol.  I bet nobody backstage saw that one coming.






You mean Kevin Owens ...Elias looked like his perfectly 1984 Macho Man randy savage self 

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LOL at "cheap" heat, like most wrestling promos are highbrow stuff. The heels are supposed to provoke a reaction, so you insult the town's women and its sports teams.

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I think the idea is that “cheap” heat = “lazy” heat. Anyone can go out and insult the Celtics or Bruins, but a good heel can piss off the fans by what he says about the good guys within the storyline. We are living in a different era though, so those rules almost don’t even exist anymore since “storylines” and suspension of disbelief don’t exist as they used to, and it seems the crowd has now made itself a character or part of the show.

Anyway, back to the original question, the greatest example that comes to mind is when Piper fought Bruno in a cage in Boston in Jan 1986 and brought out posters of Jim McMahon and Fridge Perry to tape up on the cage. This was right after Super Bowl XX when the Bears beat the Pats.



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This has been going on since I remember. Jesse Ventura would always call out Blackhawk Al Secord to a fight. There's a clever way to dig the hometown team and be funny and then you have a guy like Bubba Ray Dudley grabbing the mic and screaming that Michael Jordan is a bitch. I seem to remember Angle, Edge, and Christian were rather funny with their schtick.

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BlueThunder wrote: This has been going on since I remember. Jesse Ventura would always call out Blackhawk Al Secord to a fight. There's a clever way to dig the hometown team and be funny and then you have a guy like Bubba Ray Dudley grabbing the mic and screaming that Michael Jordan is a bitch. I seem to remember Angle, Edge, and Christian were rather funny with their schtick.

It's fine for getting a pop for a crowd at a house show or before going live, but WWE make worldwide television now. It just seems like a holdover from old-timey wrestling. It's always just a "huh?" moment for me as someone with no interest in US sports.



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Kriss wrote: BlueThunder wrote: This has been going on since I remember. Jesse Ventura would always call out Blackhawk Al Secord to a fight. There's a clever way to dig the hometown team and be funny and then you have a guy like Bubba Ray Dudley grabbing the mic and screaming that Michael Jordan is a bitch. I seem to remember Angle, Edge, and Christian were rather funny with their schtick.

It's fine for getting a pop for a crowd at a house show or before going live, but WWE make worldwide television now. It just seems like a holdover from old-timey wrestling. It's always just a "huh?" moment for me as someone with no interest in US sports.

They did it at the Australia show too and I literally never heard of the people or teams they were talking about. And the fans Live were split 50-50 in boos and cheers so it was one of those situations where even locally half the crowd weren’t fans. 



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